3 Big Colorado Bulls - Explained

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canislatrans

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Well in the words of Will Primos: "Dang it man!"
I was just wanting to show some big bull pictures from this year and not start a big mess. So I am sorry that you cared more about my head hiding done on the photos. Just let me explain a few things and maybe I will not be on anyones s--t list.

First of all, the outfitter will remain unknown.

Second, I was protecting the hunters by covering faces.
If they want to be identified I will leave it up to them. I was just showing the animals and that is it.

Now let me explain the bulls:

The 6X7 was in full rut and was shot in late morning with very warm temp. The animal was drug into some shade and dressed out right after it was shot. The guide then had to walk back to camp 2 miles to get a truck and some extra help to get the bull off the mountain. So two hours later in 70 degree sunlight the bull lay were I took the picture. Yes, he was quite stiff. The internals were behind him. The bull was loaded in the truck and taken back to camp to be hung. Once hung we skinned and caped him out. Then it was reloaded in a truck and taken to a meat locker where it was processed. Not one pound of meat was lost.

The 7X7 was also in full rut when it was shot about 4:30 PM. As you might have seen, the arrow is almost too far back. Now, any ethical bow hunter will wait at least 30 to 45 minutes after the arrow has drawn blood before going after the animal. In this case the shot was questionable and rather than losing an animal all together we waited about an hour and a half to find him. The bull ran over 175 yards before he began to bleed out and finally came to rest at the 300 yard mark. We took photos and then dressed him out before dark. We then skinned the bull and caped him on the spot to cool the meat. Not one pound of meat was lost.

The 6X6 was shot way back and took a few hours just to find him again. So after 3 other shots and hits the bull was on the ground and dressed out by noon. We loaded him in the truck and took him back to camp. By 3:00 we had him hung, skinned, caped, and cooling in the shade. Not one pound of meet was lost.

The only bull I was a part of from calling him in to getting him out was the 7X7. The other two bulls were ones I only went to help recover, skin, cape, and packout.

As far as the lack of respect of these animals, I am sorry that you were not there. Cause if you were there, you would have known that we held each of these great bulls with the highest respect and regard. As soon as the animal was down we went to work to make sure we gave the meat and trophy the care it deserved. Not every thing goes to plan but not one animal was wounded and lost and not one pound of meat ruined.

And here's what I have to say about the arrow half out and blood coming out of this chest. It's hunting! When you walk up to an animal after it has been hit with an arrow, there usually is alot of blood. So why cover up how it really happens and how it really is? So if this type of photo troubles you, why would you be so barbaric as to smile and pose with a dead animal in the first place. Because to an animal rights group it's all the same! Because the animal is dead and you are grinning right beside it with or without the extra blood. As a hunter myself, I don't feel that I have to explain my way of life to those PETA, Humane Society, and other animal rights folks. I am not going to say: sorry about all the gore, just let me clean up that mess and we can have a more politcally correct photo. If they can't handle the arrows, blood, and guts of it all then they can kiss off! Let them eat it up all they want and I hope that at least one of them vomit because of it. They don't scare or threaten me one bit! This ain't Hollywood, it's the Truth!

Canis
 
You are surely welcome to take whatever pics you like. I think the main consensus is to try and clean them up as much as possible when posting them in a public forum, as it helps non-hunters or anti-hunters from getting all worked up about it.

We all know that death isn't always pretty, but we try to make the animals look as good as possible in the photos.
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LAST EDITED ON Oct-05-07 AT 09:57PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Oct-05-07 AT 09:12?PM (MST)

Well canis, since i was the one to throw such a fit first, i'll be honored to post the first reply on your "expalined" new post.
(ooops too late...257 beat me to the punch)
Being from a proffesional hunting career for 13 years (sorry i didn't seem so professional the way i was exploding in all my defense at attackers) I know how critical hunting photo's can and should be to protect our sport from the PETA thugs along with a few others when we are flaunting them on a public site. Along the way i have learned many "do's & dont's" to this sport, and the "do not's" are what i saw portraid in your post. Now, had we known the story FIRST about how the hunters had apparently not given you permission to show them, that would and could have explained the "headless horsemen" which DID raise the initial flags of something gone wrong here.
And a lot of us on here ARE either very seasoned, educated in hunting and or professional guides and hunters, we have very good eyes and pay attention to even the slightest detail.

So having said that, i sincerely apologize for my "overreacting" to something that just didn't add up to a "normal" situation of posting a sucessful hunt and the story that didn't go along with it.
You've got to admit canis, thumb back through thousands of pictures and posts here on MM and i gurantee you there won't be not one single post with headless hunters like they are deliberately being hidden. So you can see why there was this reaction by us "overly anal" viewers.

I'll take this time to say- "Congratulations on some mighty fine bulls, and what was obviously a very successful hunt."

Just tell the story first next time damnit, and we'll all learn to use our spell check!! ;-)




Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
Just wanted to let you know I enjoyed your pictures!! Extremey nice bulls!! Good job! Everyone involved should be proud!!

People sometimes over react on this site as well as other sites!! Take it with a grain of salt!!

People that show that they are worried about PETA or other "general public observers" are showing that these people and organizations are getting to and changeing the way hunting is to the true hunters!!
I say as a hunter I will not be bothered by them, and I won't change the way I am, or the way I chose to show my pride in the animals I do harvast!! If those groups and organizations don't like it it's their problem, not mine!!!

It's like a big bully (PETA,etc.) and the little kid (Hunters) getting picked on in school, it becomes fun for the bully if he knows it's bringing the little kid down!!! So the bully pushes and pushes until the little kid isn't bothered by it or whoops his arse!! It takes the fun out of it for the bully!!

Just an oppionion!!


Work to hunt!! Live to hunt!! And the rest spent keeping the wife happy!!
 
Very nice Colorado bulls. Lots of over reaction on this thread and I can be critical, especially when .422 mile shots are involved. Thought is was pretty obviously that the gut pile had not been cleard on the one bull. Some of the shots are classic sitting in the next county behind the bulls, but we all do it. Man, if I could go back and retake some of my pictures, I would be in alot more magazines.........under the excitement of a big bull down and hot dang weather, we often shoot quick pictures and move on breaking the bull down asap. As far as the blanked mug shots, unless it was TripleK or one of her friends, I could care less to see your hunting partners pie holes. Bottom line, dang nice bulls and OK alittle careless on the pics, but we have all been there once or twice before. Man, I can go back to some of my early pics and they will make you cringe. Hell, just last year my bros bull down was a mess, he had blood all over his face from getting scoped and blood from the bull everywhere and he has been there before. Sometime ##### happens, thanks for sharing the pics and again nice bulls.

Legend
 
To me it is NOT about PETA and/or other radical groups, it is about the biggest segment of the population, those who are neither hunters nor 'animal right fanatics', they are the ones that are not anti nor pro hunting. Pictures like these can/do turn people against hunting. That is a FACT. And, as a hunter YOU should be aware of how your actions/photos/stories affect this group of people, because guess what, we are in the MINORITY, and if we turn the masses against us, we WILL lose hunting rights.

I get tired of people bad-mouthing the so-called ethics police, well damn it, if hunters aren't going to clean up our image, who will? The answer is the animal rights groups!

PRO
 
Prout,
You want your images of animals harvasted to either make it in a movie or in a magazine!! And be honest that's where the general public is going to get most of there views and Ideas!!

I do understand where you and a few others are coming from, but some of us are in the public eye more than others! And some of you need to have there gaurd up against the general publics views!! But let's not condem a guy in an elk/deer/hunting forum for posting pictures he was proud of!! We are supposedly safe here to talk about, share stories, and pictures of what we can all agree on that we love to do!!

I don't think we need to attack anybody on this forum!! Advice is one thing! But some people made this guy come back and apologize for posting pictures he was proud enough to share with us!! I think that would suck!! It proably took a lot away from his expectations of sharing these bulls with us, don't you think?

Most hunters out there have no want or desire for that stuff (movies, magazines). And if that's what we where expecting or wanting we would take the steps necassary to prepare for those pictures! We are just taking pictures of animals we have proudly, and very respectably taken!! The pictures for the most part are for our own personal memories of that experiance, sometimes to show family members, and fellow hunters which MM is supposed to be!!

Nobody should condem a guy for posting pictures on this site of animals he has harvasted!! The guy was proud and wanting to share his success!! Who cares? either enjoy the pictures and post, or move on!!



Work to hunt!! Live to hunt!! And the rest spent keeping the wife happy!!
 
I can see everyone's points here, but it seems a couple are still missing a few VERY critical ones, especially the one pro is stating.
Beleieve it or not, or like it or not, we ARE in a minority group as hunters like pro said, and we are under constant attack right now....we are at war people!!!

NRA, SCI and whatever other groups that fight for us are spending MILLIONS of YOUR dollars to defend YOU and YOUR right to kill those bulls so canis will be able to post those pics. Those very pics that were posted were so easily critisized by a few of us who DO care about the "war" going on, that we simply made some statements about them that concerned us!

Those are exactly the type of pics that those MF'ers will use against us and if you haven't seen stuff they use....it's pics just like those that show lots of disrespect to the animal, bar none.

Trust me guys who are going to attack me for this reply, i love nothing more than seeing "simple" hunting pix without all the logo's on them and or "commercialized" photo's if you will, but for God's sake, let's not add fuel to the fire. Publicly showing Pics like those is like tossing the taliban more airline tickets!
Like it or not, it's up to US as hunters, sportsmen/sportswomen to take care of our passion and resource, clean it up and protect it as a group of proud strong soldiers!

And trust me again...i don't like it either, but it's here to stay in this day & age whether you like it or not, and you are fooling youreself if you think otherwise.




Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
Slamdunk,

Good post!! Really!! I too see both sides!! I just don't like the fact that I (or any other hunter) need to play their games in order to post pictures or share stories of an american past time I love to do!! It's like admitting they are winning to me, they are making us live to their standards, and changeing the way we represent our sport!!

OH-WELL, I guess I will be more cautious!! (I think that's saying what's politicaly correct?) HAHAHAHA.

I know, I know. It's my responsibility too!! For my Grand kids sake!!! I will try.


Work to hunt!! Live to hunt!! And the rest spent keeping the wife happy!!
 
More serious than my last post, I think Canis intent was to show some nice Colorado bulls and not imperfect pictures. Again, his INTENT was not to show impefect field photos of the bulls and he gets ripped, which is what this site has turned into a perpetual ripping by about 6 or 8 regular monster muley posters. In my opinion, Canis probably won't come back, in fact make that two as I think am out of here as well. Making a poster child about PETA out of some fellow hunters is the wrong approach in my opinion, this is a much bigger subject that we should perhaps be addressing on another thread in a much more regular, positive, unified and supportive manner for our sport than making a poster child out of another hunter. The BS on youtube fuels the antis way beyond any imperfect photos here. Just like the Zumbo thing that the parnoid over reacted. There is a much more postive way to address imperfect pictures and shots than what has been done here lately. Anyway, I am done, will go elsewhere and continue support the our sport and contiue to take kids hunting, not that the loss of a couple MM members really matters to the regular perfect posters here.

Always hunt hard and enjoy the rest of your season.

Regards,

Johnny
 
Don't go Johnny. The main difference between here and Youtube is this is a hunting forum, so I expect hunters to know better than a bunch of kids. Like I said, it isn't PETA I worry about, it is the joe smuck who isn't anti, YET! That is who we need to be careful on how we present success photos to. A couple of minutes cleaning up the animal and not strapping it to the bumper is not asking too much, is it? If hunters aren't going to monitor/police themselves, the PETA like groups are more than willing to.

PRO
 
Canislatrans, don't sweat the comments from the guys on this site. They are as hypicritical as they come. They'll tell you how we have to protect our sport then post some of the lamest, most offensive comments possible. Many times I have wondered why I would try to save our sport for the people that communicate here. They simply aren't the kind of hunters that I want to share the woods with.

Nice bulls and good hunt.
 
now everybody shake hands and go back to your corners!! round 2!



beat this
 
LMAO PY....But i'll still arm wrestle ya if you'd like!! hehehehe

My season's over already, and THAT sucks!!
I didn't even go on the general elk this year for the first time ever!!
I did so many hunts back to back this year i got burned out!

How bout you Ira....any thing left to do for you up in your great state??

I need to ask you some antelope advice when i get a minute, i'll PM ya. Looking for a great hunt for me and my son.




Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
Nice post DE500, it's over.
I made my apologies to everyone i saw fit too, especially CANIS & PY.



Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
Thanks for the explanation. I had no problems with the dead elk, the way you took care of them or anything else about the pics. I am glad that you explained that you only cut the hunters heads off in the pictures. I was beginning to think you maybe had done it in real life and were posing pictures of headless hunters with dead animals. Now that would be macbre!

No worries dude - some people have entirely too much time on their hands. Thanks for sharing the pics!

UTROY
Proverbs 21:19 (why I hunt!)
 
Its either to much time or some just can not stand to see someone kill a nice bull. It happens almost everytime a few pics are posted of a good bull.

Guys, it doesn't matter what kind of pic is posted...if its a dead animal...peta will eat it up!!!

I can't beleave the ones who are complaining actually think a few sentences on a hunting forum will make a difference in how the next 100 picture posters will prepare there animals for a pic.
Make life simple and just say your jealous of the guys pics.
 
First of all, there was nothing wrong with the pictures at all. You don't owe any of these jackasses any type of explanation or apology. As you can see from your first post, your critics purport to be certified forensic scientists that are so insightful that they can determine, from looking at 3 pictures on a website, that there is something "fishy" or "wrong" with the manner in which those bulls were killed or processed. This group of critics is the same bunch that seems to live to pick apart every story and picture in a misguided attempt to establish just how experienced and woods-wise they are. Ignore them.

Second, every one of you that makes the argument that pictures like these provide some sort of ammunition for PETA and other animal rights groups, you are seriously misguided. Please take the time to understand your enemy -- go to the PETA website, take 20 minutes and click through it. Look at the issues PETA is actually addressing. Does PETA object to hunting? Absolutely! Would PETA like end hunting entirely? No doubt. But that is clearly not PETA's main focus. I think it is probably a good idea to stay out of that focus.

So tell me why you self-proclaimed defenders of our right to hunt think it is a good idea to bring hunting into the purview of these groups by openly attacking and criticizing other hunters for lacking "ethics." It is absolutely bizarre. Without being called upon to do so, you are attempting to "defend" hunting by attacking other hunters for no good reason. You are actually making PETA's argument for it. Why? Stop apologizing for hunting.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-08-07 AT 12:33PM (MST)[p]>Its either to much time or
>some just can not stand
>to see someone kill a
>nice bull. It happens almost
>everytime a few pics are
>posted of a good bull.
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>
>Guys, it doesn't matter what kind
>of pic is posted...if its
>a dead animal...peta will eat
>it up!!!
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>I can't beleave the ones who
>are complaining actually think a
>few sentences on a hunting
>forum will make a difference
>in how the next 100
>picture posters will prepare there
>animals for a pic.
>Make life simple and just say
>your jealous of the guys
>pics.

I sure hope you are tarded enough to truly believe all who dislike these kind of pictures are jealous. I have NEVER felt the need to be jealous of ANY bull taken, little lone a bull from Colorado on a OTC tag. Get real. They are nice bulls, but not THAT nice.

How many times do I have to say it isn't just about PETA? We as hunters MUST be conscience of the images we portray to the general public, why intentionally add fuel to the fire? If you have a friend, a female friend, that is not 'into' hunting, ask her how those pictures come across, that is all I am saying.

I used to drag main street in my home town with my 'trophies' when I was younger, I would NEVER do such a thing today!

Curious as to how it is okay to blast those who ask a question about the appearances of photo's, and attack those who use guides, yet it is somehow not okay to call attention to questionable photo's. WTF?

PRO
 
hogliver-

Maybe you should have jumped on the bandwagon days ago if you want an argument....it's over.

And if you are saying that what i and others have said is fueling the fire of the anti's? Well so are you by continuing an argument that is dead and showing that even though we are hunters as a group, we infact are still NOT a "group".

I have made my apologies, swallowed a little self pride and said my sorries to canis and others. I have learned to bite my tongue when i disagree with something.

"United we stand...divided we fall".
That's what the anti's will feed off of because that's our weekness.

let this die hog.
And judging by the lack of posts on this 3rd go around, i think that speaks for its'self.



Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
I can see both sides. I don't post on here much, but I read about every day. I think the first mistake is to post ANY picture without some kind of story or explination. Whenever I see a picture, I want to know where it came from and how it was obtained, whether it is a kill shot or just a scouting photo. So, next time, just put a story with the pics. Some say "you don't need to explain yourself" but it would save alot of questions if you did. As far as the criticism goes, maybe instead of everyone reaching for their side arm, we should be offering advice and getting the full story before shooting someone down. I think its fair to say we all love hunting, so why not help your "team-mates" instead of burying them. If there is criticism to be done, do it via PM's instead of humiliating the person in public. Just my .02
 

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