Sore Spot/443 Bull

S

shipdog

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Let me begin with a little background. I recently drew the coveted Pahvant tag after 13 years. I hunted hard from August 23 and was fortunate enough to fill this tag on Sept. 10th. I began my hunt at the head of Broad, Chalk, Pioneer and anything that looked productive. Lots of deer hunters present and the elk were deep. Most staying within the bottom 3rd of these canyons. During conversations with the Fish and Game Officer and numerous deer hunters in the area a wealth of information was obtained concerning the trophy elk in the unit, including the whereabouts of the new potential State and possible World archery elk. This animal was under the constant and all seeing-eye of a notorious and according to most locals "infamous" outfitter. I remained neutral towards most of these opinions or stories with the exeption of "banquet tags". The State of Utah in its never ending pursuit of money, continues to offer hunting privilages to the same handfull of wealthy individuals each and every year. Paying up to $100,000(not including guide fees,finders fees,bonus fees..ect.) to hunt some of the largest free roaming elk in the world. Also the State allows these select few to wield a rifle begining Sept.1st. Strangley this is the same time the archer, in complete camo, is trying to fill his/her tag. Now the State claims that during all other rifle/shotgun seasons, hunter orange is required to be worn. What kind of legal obligation would the State be under if an archer was accidentally shot by a 300 win mag during this period? Is it not enough that the rifle hunt begins on the 15th of Sept? Which is the absolute heart of the rut!!! Back to the story. My brother and I decided that the bulls up high were not active enough with the cows and were going to try our luck down low and possibly run into the 443" bull or Bennett Bull as he was known by the locals. This is where things really got weird. It had just rained the night before, and not having much info to go on, we started looking down dirt rosds that might hold a fresh track. A real big fresh track. Within just a few minutes my brother cut a track that looked to be the size of a solo beef cow, but retracing this track showed this beef cow had the ability to levitate over a 3 and 1/2 foot fence! He was here,and better yet his escape route placed him squarley on public land. The next few days consisted of canvasing feed, bedding and watering routes. Interestingly the water/walllow had a nice pile of rolled oates mixed with corn next to it. In reference to an earlier post about magpies,guides and hearsay, I do have video proof of this. Each day I hunted I would also see an extremely slow moving airplane that would parallel directly overhead. On Sept. 1st it was rumored that a guide srvice would bring in a client to take down the Bennett Bull with a rifle. I was witness to an enormous drive that began on private land consisted of more than 2 dozen "cowboys". I called them cowboys because for two hours they bellowed and mooed as if they were a heard of heffers. What they didn't realize is that I had posistioned myself between their shooter and "the herd". Knowing the Bull and his escape route had he exited that morning,the first shot would have belonged to me. Once the unnamed guide realized this the hillside erupted in vehicles and forlorned mooers. They stopped were I had hidded my vehicle and I raced back to be sure my tires were still inflated. This was not the only time my concern for the safety of my property or myself would be in question. Each day I hunted this area I began parking my vehicle in different and hidden locations. Upon encountering one of the main players for the guide service I was politely invited on personal tour of another portion of the unit some 30 miles to the south. Accepting this as quality information,I was back putting pressure on the Bennett Bull the very next day. The last day I hunted this magnificent Bull I knew my luck was running out. I had just sat down to rest on a ridge when I noticed a red pickup full of cowguides storming over the ridge 200 yards to the south. It looked like the Dukes of Hazard plowing through the clouds of dust. This didn't make much sense because this was the Bennett Bulll's bedroom. Then it dawned on me; "Their looking for you, stupid!" I watched them criss-cross ridges all around me and at one time were less than 50 yards from where I lay hidden. Knowing my odds were not very good 5 to 1 and also knowing I had a friend who was at the other end of a bow at full draw from a member of the same crew,I decided to lay low. They were then successfull in calming the area with my departure, killing the Bull a short time later when he fell prey to his old habits and routines. With the help of two trail cams and another well planned, unobstucted drive, they were able to fell the giant with a $100,000 tag, $30,000+ guide fee and at least $10,000 trophy over 390" fee, $???? gratuity. See for a paultry sum of $150,000 you toocan enter your name in the sacred Pope and Young record book. There is so much more to my experience hunting Utah, not all was negitive. I was inspired to post this long-winded message because I was there,I did see it first-hand and have a sure knowledge of the facts. You can speculate and debate the truth,I already know. I know if money continues to drive this sport many of us will be left behind. Some will read this and say, "Your bitter because someone else succeeded where you failed." I say I have great memories of an almost Shakesphere-like play and a beatifull 380" Jet-Black Bull taken on a 2 hour silent stalk with my bow hanging on my wall. I'm not bitter, just grateful.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-15-07 AT 06:54AM (MST)[p]http://www.monstermuleys.info/dcforum/User_files/469ff2b8110d7f4e.jpg

THE ONLY bobcat THAT KNOWS ALOT OF YOU HAVE HAD THIS IMAGE IN YOUR PEA BRAIN BUT DUE TO POOR SHOOTING TACTICS I'M STILL KICKIN!!!
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-15-07 AT 08:36AM (MST)[p]Nice STORY. I call bull$hit. It's amazing what the human mind can assume is not really happening. You thought and were scared to death they were hunting you? Now that's funny. I wonder what the finders fee was for finding you? Then what? These guys are not that tuff. Hunting is a competetive public sport. I don't like it either I just learn to live with it.
 
Lets see the pics. You can't call people out and not produce evidence.....I don't doubt your story at all, just want to see the proof for myself.
 
Pro,

Do you work for Doyle? I have talked with 2 different people that said they were hunting in areas that had roads blocked with a sign saying to stay out because they were videotaping a hunt? Does Doyle do that? Just curious.
 
omg Utah you guys cant kill anything big up there without JFK shooters becoming involved
 
>Pro,
>
>Do you work for Doyle? I
>have talked with 2 different
>people that said they were
>hunting in areas that had
>roads blocked with a sign
>saying to stay out because
>they were videotaping a hunt?
>Does Doyle do that? Just
>curious.

I am unaware of Mossback having any signs. I call B.S.!

PRO
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-15-07 AT 12:01PM (MST)[p]shipdog,

My favorite part about your STORY was you never saw the bull just his track.LOL
 
Now I must say that I also call B.S on this one but heres another rumor... If anyone knows if its true or not? Doyles truck got the windows knocked out of it on the pahvant? TRUE OR FALSE? And previous to that a fellow hunter called the sheriff and they had his trucked towed off the hill??
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-15-07 AT 12:04PM (MST)[p]In reference to my first post. My brother told me not to, its pointless. I should have listened. Enjoyed the original quotes and personal attacks about my Mother. Dont care if you believe me or not. I hunted 18 days, saw what I saw. Still have the video images. Of course this wouldnt be proof either, to most. Felt almost like hunting elk with the Sopranos. Didnt know Guido lurked on these pages as well...
 
>ONE DAY SOME ONE WILL HAVE
>IT. WHAT WILL HAPPEN THEN?
>AND YES THAT WAS A
>PERSONAL ATTACK. AND A VERY
>CHILD LIKE ONE AT THAT.
>WITH SO MANY STORIES SHOWING
>UP ON SO MANY DIFFERNT
>BOARDS SOME THING WILL HAPPEN.
>AND IT WILL PROBLEY BE
>VERY UGLY WHEN IT DOES.
>ON ANOTHER BOARD PEOPLE ARE
>TALKING ABOUT DOING SOME THINGS
>TO TAKE ACTION AGAINST THIS
>CONTINUING. IM NOT SHARING WHAT
>BOARD OR WHAT THEY ARE
>PLANNING. IF THEY DO WHAT
>THEY SAY IT WILL PROVE
>HE IS OR IS
>NOT UNETHICAL. IT WILL END.
>NEXT SEASON SOME HAVE SIGHTS
>ON HIS HEAD FOR THE
>TROPHY WALL. NOT TO KILL
>HIM JUST HIS BUISNESS. I
>HAVE NEVER HAD A RUN
>IN WITH THIS CREW. HOPE
>THEY NEVER RUN INTO ME.
>I DONT PLAY FAIR WHEN
>IT COMES TO THIS STUFF.
>CRAZY GLUE AND FISHING LINE
>ARE MY WEPONS OF CHOICE.
>

Are you 12 or 13? Real tuff to threaten people on the internet. Your going to get this thread nuked. If these things are true they will work themselves out without your crazy glue and fishing line. Where you from Iraq or Afganistan?
 
The replies to this post have set uneasy with me this morning! The integrity of a man lies within himself. Whether the story is true or false, that lies with in each of us to determine. I believe you can look deep into a man by what comes out of his mouth, positive or negative. Personally I have weighted my thoughts and I believe him. Regarding the outfitter I don't know him, but a man proceeds his reputation. It is my opinion that outfitters taint the sport. I consider it cheating! If you are to old lazy or fat to play the game then stay home, don't pay someone to find your trophy on the wall you want to take credit for. Love the sport, honor it, respect it. It is sacred!
 
I want to see pics of the bull you killed..who cares about what someone else did. Come on..lets hear about the fun you had!
 
>The replies to this post have
>set uneasy with me this
>morning! The integrity of
>a man lies within himself.
> Whether the story is
>true or false, that lies
>with in each of us
>to determine. I believe
>you can look deep into
>a man by what comes
>out of his mouth, positive
>or negative. Personally I
>have weighted my thoughts and
>I believe him. Regarding
>the outfitter I don't know
>him, but a man proceeds
>his reputation. It is
>my opinion that outfitters taint
>the sport. I consider
>it cheating! If you
>are to old lazy or
>fat to play the game
>then stay home, don't pay
>someone to find your trophy
>on the wall you want
>to take credit for.
>Love the sport, honor it,
>respect it. It is
>sacred!

How condensending of you to think your way of hunting is better, and that you supposedly, "Love the sport, honor it, respect it" more than someone who hires an outfitter. If you don't wish to hire one, good on you. Many hire outfitters for MANY reasons other than, "being to old or fat to play the game", get a clue.

These assine stories come up EVERY year, yet this outfitter has yet to be charged with ONE thing. That is more PROOF than all the story-tellers have put forth! How is that for "reputation"?

PRO
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-15-07 AT 12:35PM (MST)[p]OMG!!!
Now THAT takes a lot of balls "wapati" to come one here and make such a bold statement like that, especailly for a guy with only two posts!
Being a "newbie" on here, how dare you belittle all the hunters on here that DO hire guides!!!

Another tip here for ya...it's spelled "wapiti", not wapati.

Wapiti or Elk (Cervus elaphus)Wapiti or Elk Order Artiodactyla : Family Cervidae : Cervus elaphus Erxleben. Wapipi or Elk (Cervus elaphus).






Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
>Another tip here for ya...it's spelled
>"wapiti", not wapati.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Skull Krazy
>"No Bones About It"



HAHAHA!!! Guy is too stupid to spell his own name! Priceless comedy!!!!!!
 
MJRELKFREAK wrote: "YA IM 13. ARE YOU FEMALE YOUR PANIES ARE BOUND UP. IM GOING TO GET IT NUKED? THINK AGAIN. I HAVENT ATTACKING ANYONE OR THRETEND ANY ONE. I JUST STATED A FACT. I DONT PLAY NICE WITH OTHERS WHEN MY TOES GET STEPPED ON I STOMP BACK. AS SOON AS SOME ONE DOES POST SOME PROOF HE WILL NUKE IT. THEN ASK FOR A XMAS BONUS FOR DOING SO. IVE BEEN TO BOTH PLACES WANT TO KNOW MY CONFIRMMED KILLS AS WELL? HOW DID YOU KNOW I AM A RANGER?"

To make unfounded claims is childish and does NO ONE any good. If you served over there, thank you for your service. Having said that, that does NOT mean you can make threats and unfounded claims and get a 'free pass'. If you were overthere, you should know better than to act like this!

PRO
 
Can be seen on prior post. Oct. 3rd, Posted by BIGBONE. Heading is This Years Big Bulls, I believe.
 
LIKE I SAID I STOMP BACK. WE WHO HAVE SERVED WILL NEVER LIE DOWN AND PLAY DEAD. AND THANK YOU FOR YOUR GRATTITUDE FOR MY SERVICE. I ONLY GOT SHOT TWICE FOR THEASE FREEDOMS WE ALL ENJOY. I will stop my ranting now. never retreat.
 
This is pointless. Sorry my experience hurt so many tender feelings. Nuking this thread might be best for all. This can be a great site. Sorry I dont have 1200 posts, maybe my story would then be true. Next topic please...
 
Wapati is an abbreviation for something sacred and special to me! But i don't have to defend my education or grammar, my degrees and annual income do that for me. I am religious to this sight, I have only posted two
posts because I have never felt incline to comment except for now. And sense when does number of posts dictate what I have the right to say? I never read that rule when I agreed to the terms when joining. And yes would love to hear the reasons for hiring and outfitter then to old, to lazy, and to fat! I personally would hold the status of the animals I harvest differently with an outfitter then I would fare chase. And yes I would not know the difference because I would never resort to such tactics. There is an unwritten law between ethical hunters you obviously know nothing about.
 
dont be sorry. i liked this post. but if ya have a pick put it up now. or it will be all pointless.
 
i have a really big wooden spoon, about 3 feet long. just a monster spoon. woulod any of you like to stir the pot??? lol

but seriously the next post better be the proof that this happened or an apology for either lying or making accusations. i'm not a fan of doyle moss and his employees (me and pro don't always see eye to eye) but you can't just make things up or present information with out proof. bring the proof and you'd be everyone's hero.






the only eagle with enough power and speed to kill and gut you with one shot
 
Posted on Oct. 3rd Topic: This Years Big Bulls, second post by BIGBONE @ 0759 pm. Bull has 22" 3rds and is as Black as Midnight.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-15-07 AT 01:32PM (MST)[p]MJRELKFREAK,

I don't know anyone who has been over there that acts like you. I have to question your integrity too.

It's crap like what you write in here that gets people like huntindude FTW and RUS up in arms
 
>LAST EDITED ON Oct-15-07
>AT 01:32?PM (MST)

>
>MJRELKFREAK,
>
> I don't know
>anyone who has been over
>there that acts like you.
> I have to question
>your integrity too.
>
>It's crap like what you write
>in here that gets people
>like huntindude FTW and RUS
>up in arms

And for the record, huntFX4 HAS been overthere!

Someone with "integrity" does NOT make unfounded accusations about real people that can/do affect that persons livelyhood. that is what children and magpies do.

PRO
 
More pics posted on Sept. 11 under heading "Nice Bull, Dedicated Hunter" 0954 am.
 
Shipdog stop running around the ship screaming fire when you are the one who stuck your own burning cigarette in your pocket. Where is your video?


Mntman (currently serving the US NAVY!)
 
Couessniper Dont ever put a Coues Pic in here. Someone will tell someone in here that they shot up on the dutton and mossback Tied it to a tree.
 
ship,

I have been as critical of some outfitters as anyone, however, I think this thread goes way over the top. If what you say is true you should take it up with the authorities and let them handle it. I do not see how this thread benefits anyone, and if untrue, it tarnishes a guy's reputation and business.

I have met some good people who work for this outfitter. I guess I struggle with believing some of them would do what you are saying.

Something to think about.
 
I guess there is no such thing as being respectful to one another on here. REMEMBER you can be a hard A$$ all you want on here but what good does it do? I guess a discussion about this topic in a kind honest way is too much. I'm going to go mow the lawn, trim the hedges and put up the dam Halloween decorations like my wife asked me to ten days ago before I started my hunting trips. We all love to hunt and we could soon lose that right, think about it. WHO CARES!!
 
Mr "Wapati"

I aplogize for critisizing a name that is sacred to you.

But i will NOT apologize for my stand up attitude in defense of your adolescent and ignorant comment about hunters that hire guides.

Guiding is my proffesion and part of my livelyhood and judging by your comments about "us", you obviously know absolutely nothing about what takes place.

I can't speak for ALL guides or hunters, but the ones i work FOR and WITH can out hunt mentally and physically than most people i know. They hire us for the use of our properties and our expertise in which are an "opportunity" for them to take a trophy animal....they are not fat and lazy my any means.

That is the most ignorant and stupid comment i have ever heard, and it really shows who and what you are about.








Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-15-07 AT 03:12PM (MST)[p]Sorry PRO, i busted a needle in my glute this morning injecting testosterone and i'm madder than a grizzly bear with an absessed tooth!! ;-)

Not too mention i have a low tolerance for stupidity.





Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
Well, i'll break out my spoon too. I agree 100% with Wapati. I don't have a clue if the story is true though. If it is you should be telling it to a game warden, not on the internet.
 
Mr. Wah Potty, I felt inclined to respond to your comment on fat lazy hunters that hire outfitters or guides. You obviously have an overinflated high and almighty attitude of yourself. People hire outfitters or guides for a variey of reasons and to categorize all of them as lazy and fat is irresponsible and shows your lack of any common sense whatsoever. Take your idiotic comments and your lame attempts to insult others somewhere else and try to keep your pie hole shut.
 
You said it yourself, "we provide an opportunity for individuals to take a trophy animal". Your as good as the individual who provided steroids to Barry Bonds to assist him in breaking the home run record. Or the camera man who provided the patriots coaching staff with video tapes of apposing teams to aid in winning games. You are assisting cheaters, which in return makes you a cheater, despite it being your lively hood or the way you choose to make a living. The men who cheat for there individual sports have a payday at the end of the day as well. Hunting is a sport. You can poach, hire someone to hold your hand to a prestige hunting area and point out a quality animal, or whatever other means people resort to in getting the job done. But at the end of the day you have to look at the individual mount you have hanging on your wall and it tells a story. Ethics in my book and those of whom I choose to hunt with are I'm sure different then yours. Each to there own gentleman, but if I where president you would be out of a job, and a lot of people would not be in the hills.
 
How is it cheating? Is it legal? Do the record books allow animals taken from guided hunters to be entered? Do you hunt 100% of the time by yourself without ANY help from family and/or friends? If not, then YOU are a hypocrite and someone who suffers from class envy. What is "unethical" about being from back east and hiring a guide in Utah? My archery hunter this year hunted HARD for 10 straight days, how is this "cheating"? He put more miles under his boots than most 'DYI hunters' on this forum did this fall. Again, how is this cheating? You are blinded by ignorance and contempt for those who hunt different than you, this does NOT make you a more "ethical" hunter in any way!

PRO
 
Wapati I have real hard time understanding your logic and hate towards guides and outfitters, like it or not they are an important part of our sport and protecting it.

I am not a guide have never been a guide, but I have hunted with them at times and although its not my favorite i still really enjoy it. As far as fat and lazy I will take you in the wilderness anytime on public land for a week and we will see who is fat and lazy!
 
>You said it yourself, "we provide
>an opportunity for individuals to
>take a trophy animal".
>Your as good as the
>individual who provided steroids to
>Barry Bonds to assist him
>in breaking the home run
>record. Or the camera
>man who provided the patriots
>coaching staff with video tapes
>of apposing teams to aid
>in winning games. You
>are assisting cheaters, which in
>return makes you a cheater,
>despite it being your lively
>hood or the way you
>choose to make a living.
> The men who cheat
>for there individual sports have
>a payday at the end
>of the day as well.
> Hunting is a sport.
> You can poach, hire
>someone to hold your hand
>to a prestige hunting area
>and point out a quality
>animal, or whatever other means
>people resort to in getting
>the job done. But
>at the end of the
>day you have to look
>at the individual mount you
>have hanging on your wall
>and it tells a story.
> Ethics in my book
>and those of whom I
>choose to hunt with are
>I'm sure different then yours.
> Each to there own
>gentleman, but if I where
>president you would be out
>of a job, and a
>lot of people would not
>be in the hills.

Its a good thing you aren't, nor will you ever be president. I guess unless you hunt in moccassins, with a long bow and arrows you carved out of tree branches, then you are cheater as well. I guess you walk to your hunting area from your home, cause driving a car would be cheating as well. I hope you eat berries and bugs while you are hunting, if not you're a cheater. Do you start your campfire by cracking to rocks together...or rubbing a couple of sticks...No...CHEATER!!

Here's my advise, take your self righteous, holier than thou attitude somewhere else. Hiring a guide does not make you a cheater. Sure, you might be a DIY kind of guy...good for you, thats the way I roll too, but dont blame a guy or put them down if they choose to hire guide. People are different, not everyone does not do things the same way as you or the same way as I do, but as long as what they do is legal, why should that make them any less of a person or a cheater. I know many people who are guides, and I'll tell you what, they are some of the best hunters/outdoorsman I have ever met. Some people dont have the time or energy to commit to doing things on their own, so they hire someone to do some of the leg work for them, but in the end, they are responsible for making that shot, for hiking that mountain, etc. Sure some guys do it out of pure laziness, but Im sure SOME of the guys who happen to hire guides could out hunt you or I anyday of the week.

Judge not that ye not be judge.....
 
Oh brother 'pat", i read the first part of what you said and had to stop before i threw up!!
I'm not even going to waste my time on the rest, i'd rather sit here and swat flies!!

BTW- do you realize you have probably insulted at least 1/4 if not more of all the MM members on these forums with your stupid remarks about guides and hunters!!

You should go back in time and return your 2 post's back to a zero.





Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
i have bowhunted elk in idaho, washington, montana, wyoming, colorado and new mexico over the last 15yrs on public land doing all the research myself and going into areas i had never seen. i have taken a good number of bulls, and my buddies have taken some as well. i used an outfitter to pack us into a wilderness area twice since i don't have horses and after packing an elk out from 5 miles back i had concerns for being able to get all the meat out in a timely manner before it went bad. this year i hunted new mexico unit 16a and took a nice bull(335") and i used a guide since it was the only way i could get a landowner tag. i have not drawn a elk tag in NM for 5 years. i also drew a unit 9 AZ tag and hired an outfitter... after waiting 13 years to draw it i wanted to maximize my chance at taking a trophy bull. my experience with the people i hired was fantastic. my guides were respectfull of others and there ethics were solid. i guarantee you that i can run 99.99% of people into the ground in the mountains. am i who you refer too? the cheating? the lazy?
when people make generalizations about any group of people you are asking for trouble. don't be that narrow-minded to lump all outfitters into one group. sure there are outfitters that have questionable ethics and practices, but there are good ones out there. i am a newbie to the list but this thread is petty and there is too much mud-slinging. if this particular outfitter does these things then it should be handled with law enforcement. show the proof to them.
 
if it exists... sorry. rather than slander someones reputation, take your issues to the game and fish department.
 
There never is, is there? It's always "I have a friend, or my brother," or some other vague being who never seems to come forward with their "proof" of some attrocious behavior by a successful outfitter. Every year it's the same old song and dance routine by the same, overly obsessed by their own inability to fill their tags, losers. I don't know any of these outfitters that are accused of illegal and unethical behavior year after year, but it seems to me that if any of it were true they would have been busted by now! Things like this aren't just overlooked by game and fish departments no matter how badly some would like to believe it in their pitiful little existences.
I tell you what... If you believe it is true, and want something done about it, I'll help you out. Save all your pennies, get your friends to do the same and I'll use my hunting skills to hunt your outfitter with my video camera. If he has questionable tactics, I will get evidence. I don't work cheap but I'm sure, judging from the number of complaints I see that you could pool your money together to pay me! The first post stated that there was video evidence but we have yet to see it. If I had it, everyone would have seen it the day I got computer access. So what do you say? In? Or out?
 
I had the privilege to hunt with one of Doyle's main guys this spring and from my experience with him he seems like a stand up guy. Of course people can be two faced, but he didn't strike me as that type. I know if I had a sweet Elk tag in my pocket and some $$$ in the bank, he is the guy I would want helping me out.....

I am sure you maybe felt like they were "hunting" you, but I can't actually see someone trying to kill or wound another person just for the sake of an animal. They know they would be caught and be dating Bubba for the next 50-life.
 
You file yourselves in what ever category you want. I have a love for archery hunting that is second to none. There is no extreme I have not spent to fill my tag as long as it falls with in my rules. Yes I hunt with family and friends, but have never had one guide me, prescott, and accept a reward for the service we extend towards each other. I have no doubt the men who provide these services know what they are doing, or how hard they work, but in my book a trophy is something you earn not pay for. And knowledge and work does not make it right. Technology has aided me greatly, as it has in all sports, but even that has its boundaries. You want to justify it because the law says its ok, then maybe you should abort the next child your responsible for, but I wont. Im not concerned about who I offend most of the comments on here are just insults with no logical reason, or debate regarding the subject. Its not a wonder hunting is associated with dumb redknecks, with some of the comments posted. So keep them coming, I will address every one of them, and until someone with a brain can give me a logical explanation, my opinion stays the same. Take offence to it or not! And I take that challenge of the fool who thinks they can out hunt me. And if he can I will pick his brain and learn every vital piece of information he will share, and will never pay him a penny.
 
Wapati wrote-
" I believe you can look deep into a man by what comes out of his mouth, positive or negative."
"Personally I have weighted my thoughts" and I believe you are an idiot!!!!





Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
And in that sence I believe you are describing yourself slamdunk! Look in the mirror and see if you see the same.
 
>Alright, I just read all of
>these posts and the first
>word that comes to mind
>about a lot of you
>is HOMO!!! Why is it
>that in the hunting community
>everyone is always a liar,
>or a poacher or unethical
>or fat or lazy or
>better than everyone else. This
>issue seems to be especially
>evident on the forum and
>it gets old. Every time
>someone voices their opinion, they
>get crucified. And unless you
>know beyond a shadow of
>a doubt, you've got no
>room to call anyone a
>liar. I am pretty confident
>that all of you come
>here because you love to
>hunt and talk about hunting
>and get tips and hear
>stories or whatever, I know
>that's why I do. But
>this place has turned into
>a cyber high school where
>people come to talk themselves
>up and talk bad about
>everyone else. And are people
>seriously talking about "newbie?s"? Are
>you F-ing kidding me? Why
>don't we grow up and
>talk about something worthwhile and
>quit acting like little girls?
>I will say that there
>are a few of you
>who this did not apply
>to and you will probably
>know who you are.

You know whats funny, you come here and chastise everyone for acting childinsh and being "little girls", yet you start your post by calling many of the posters in this thread HOMOS....I guess its only okay to act like a childish little girl when YOU are the one doing so. I guess your hypocracy knows no bounds...
 
30incher.
The word "newbie" that i implied too was too the fool that jumped on here and started calling hunters and guides "fat & lazy" without knowing a single person on this forum, or us knowing him for that matter.
I don't have much use for a guy who hides behind the fence and throws rocks.

But i agree, this post is out of control....but that was asked for by "wapati" in my opinion. But judging by the rest of the replies, the stage was set by the original poster.








Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
>Alright, I just read all of
>these posts and the first
>word that comes to mind
>about a lot of you
>is HOMO!!! Why is it
>that in the hunting community
>everyone is always a liar,
>or a poacher or unethical
>or fat or lazy or
>better than everyone else. This
>issue seems to be especially
>evident on the forum and
>it gets old. Every time
>someone voices their opinion, they
>get crucified. And unless you
>know beyond a shadow of
>a doubt, you've got no
>room to call anyone a
>liar. I am pretty confident
>that all of you come
>here because you love to
>hunt and talk about hunting
>and get tips and hear
>stories or whatever, I know
>that's why I do. But
>this place has turned into
>a cyber high school where
>people come to talk themselves
>up and talk bad about
>everyone else. And are people
>seriously talking about "newbie?s"? Are
>you F-ing kidding me? Why
>don't we grow up and
>talk about something worthwhile and
>quit acting like little girls?
>I will say that there
>are a few of you
>who this did not apply
>to and you will probably
>know who you are.

ONe of the best posts of this thread!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It is getting too childish for me around here!!! All everyone wants to do is fight!
 
Catching the almighty mossback doing something illegal is like spotting Bigfoot. I think being alone on the mountain scares some people. This guy says he only saw tracks, seen a plane circle all day and had people chase him. WOW what an imagination.
He still hasn't posted a picture.
Post proof or quit making slandering comments.

I call Pure BS.
 
I just had a brief conversation with my wife and I tried as best as I could to explain to her what is going on here. i believe it is a case of anger plus jealousy. I can relate to a lot of the feelings that have been posted in this thread but if I take the time to think about it a little I find that I AM jealous! I couldn't even think of buying one of those high priced tags. And even if I could, then I would probably feel as though I needed to pay the extra for someone else to guide me to the best bull there was out there. I will never, short of winning the lottery, be able to go on one of those "trophy" hunts. I took the biggest bull of my career this year, 328 if anyone cares, and I was on a high for two weeks! No joke. I finally did it, and I did it my way. The guys who pay their way through it will never feel the way I did about my bull and for that I pity them. On the other hand, I feel a little anger over the fact that that bull is not out there for me to chase next year. I'm not saying that I would have, that's out of state for me, but put this bull in NM and you get the point. I don't know all the details of this particular hunt and don't really care. The guy got a monster, that's a fact. Did he do it the way I would have? No, but it's his option, not mine.
By the way the offer to hunt is still there. I need the extra money and time in the hills is the BEST time!
 
Well cookie2, i can't speak for the other guides or outfitters, but the hunts we offer, our clients are not "paying" for a 400" bull. They are paying for an "opportunity" to get the best bull they have ever killed, or can find that year. And some repeat clients take less than they have before, sometimes.

My anger came from one guy labeling us all that are in the business or USING a business, that's where i blew up.

Don't go stereotyoing us all based on one outfitters alleggations, wapati, or i'll go bezerk...obviously.

It's perfectly fine to go on DYI hunts, i do it myself every year! I love to hunt, it's an extreme passion of mine and i can't get enough of it, that's why i guide. And as long as there are people out there that want my help, i'll be there....money or no money.

My hell, the information i gave antlerrick adout buffalo hunting would have cost him a ton of money, but ya know what...he's a friend of mine now and i'd gladly go down with him and help out of i were available....and wouldn't take one shiny dime for it.






Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
All info. including video will be forwarded to the Dept of Fish and Game for investigation. Next topic...
 
>All info. including video will be
>forwarded to the Dept of
>Fish and Game for investigation.
>Next topic...

I guess I better look for a new employer then. Oh the humanity!

PRO
 
My intentions were not to stereotype. Sorry if I offended you in any way. I KNOW my abilities and if you were to put me on a bull within say...500yards...he's dead and I would feel as if I bought him. That's all I was sayin. I have nothing against guides at all. You make a living, or at least part of it in the outdoors and for that I envy you! I only wish I could spend that much time out there. You are not in a USING business in my opinion. You know something ohters are willing to pay for and to that I say good for you!
 
Let me correct you AGAIN slamajam! Never called guides lazy, or fat, just those who hire them. And I refer to fat as a metaphor. You say I'm slinging rocks from behind a bush, no my rocks are for all to see. Meet me on the mountain and Ill show you some more! And for those of you of whom I refer to as a cheat, if you are offended then thats your problem. Your conscience lies within yourselves. If you are at ease with the way you handle things then why argue? And yes the man who killed his three twenty bull by himself with no big names and pay checks I believe gets what I am saying. Every emotion I have in my soul I have experienced on a back country bow hunt, by myself, in the middle of Montana, in November. Where there is great effort there is great reward!
 
>Don't worry PRO. I'll be looking
>for a knowledgable guide for
>my upcoming "hunt!"


I may be easy, but I ain't cheap!

wapati7, like I said, if you chose not to use a guide, good on ya. That does NOT mean your point is valid to run down those who use one. I have never used one myself, but I don't turn my nose down at those who do use them. I guess you believe those who don't use archery gear to take an animal are "cheats" as well, atleast if you are consistent.

PRO
 
Ditto what huntFX4 said!

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I can't read this thread and keep ahead of the posts!!!!!!!!!!!!I don't care about the orig story, I just wanted constructive info on the "crazy glue and fishing line" thing.

Oh, by the way, "Wahpanties"......your degrees? You spell worse than an NBA center from Kentucky State. So, since I am old I should quit the game? Who appointed you life monitor?
 
Tuffbucker, as you said that was probably not the best way to put that but I think that it got my point across. I just get tired of hearing people rip on everyone else. I am all about saying what you want and everyone is entitled to their own opinion but the way that everyone is going about it is pretty lame. If you are going to argue your point then do it, but there isn't any reason for the personal attacks, especially from people who don't know you. And by the way, I love the movie quote, my favorite movie. LOL.
 
huntn30inchers,

Just razzing you a little bit...Im glad you actually knew where the quote came from...that has to be one of my all time favs!! LOL

TUFF
 
Well............"there's no such thing as a normal life, there's just life, get on with it"......

Is this thread leaking acid into the air, or what? "Wahpanties" just gets' dumber and dumber with every post and his spelling deteriorates commensurately. Where was that degree from? Appalachia Tech?

This is true entertainment boys, I believe I'll cancel sat tv.....you can't buy this priceless reparte'
 
Is anybody getting any snow yet? The weather is definitely changing here in Vegas.
 
Yeah, probably the best movie ever. By the way, why did my post get pulled but not the posts that copied it? Haha, and when I saw the last post on here and thinking about tombstone, I had to laugh. maybe posting just isnt your game, I know, how about a spelling contest. HAHA, probably the best line in that movie, changed slightly.
 
Not yet, but I'm headed up north for the deer hunt and and it's suppose to storm pretty good.
__________________________
"Life's tough, it's even tougher if you're stupid." - John Wayne
 
Yeah, I dont miss that vegas weather. No snow in Missoula but I think we are getting close. I had to scrape ice off of my windshield this morning.
 
oh god wapati your just pissed at outfitters because they kill bigger animals than you will ever see in your life! they put the time into it and they deserve it. i know one of doyles top guides and he is the same person when and when he isnt guideing!
so what is so bad about outfitters? i work for one to so lets hear it!
 
cookie2-
Sorry bro, there must have been a misunderstanding with what i wrote.
When i said "stereotyping", that was directed at "wapati", not you.
Sorry, i should have been more clear. :)

Ok, i'll read on down now.....i've been away for a coule hours, just wanted to clear that one up as too not upset you.





Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
Well, it seems this post had simmered down, that's good, now my blood pressure can follow.

I guess "wapati" went onto the Nascar forums to rag on the Andretti family for not being able to win a race without a pit crew.




Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-15-07 AT 09:22PM (MST)[p]......."are we cross?...I simply don't think I could bear it if we weren't friends'.........

Actually, "Wahpanties" is doing his own root canal work right now. You get way more satisfaction doing things by yourself, don't you know.
 
"my darlin, it seems we must change the nature of our association....i beleive you are the anti christ.


Or there's a little Lonesome dove- "Good God Woodrow!!"








Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
Hey Wapati "Wapiti"
Are you sure you didn't just misspell wapiti and then lied about the personal importance of it to save face? Every single post of yours you have words spelled wrong. "Fare" chase. (Fair) Since and sense are used wrong and spelled wrong. I want you to post evidence of your degrees and your last years tax return. I am calling B.S.

I usually wouldn't throw out a personal attack but it has been a long time since I have encountered such a moron on MM. (And many of you know that is a BIG statement) I think the best thing Wapiti could do is shut up or change his screen name and start over.

Just a thought
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-15-07 AT 09:38PM (MST)[p]I think he already did quivers, that's why he has so few posts.
He had more posts in 15 minutes today than he did when he started in with all his BS!!



Skull Krazy
"No Bones About It"
 
.........."ahh, an enchanted moment".

Now this is fun!!!!

...."why Hell, most people who come in here wouldn't notice a dead skunk on the table, much less a few crumbs"

Try this: "Well Judge, I wasn't sure and the deer didn't care either"
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-15-07 AT 10:11PM (MST)[p]Woodrow Call: "I hate rude behavior in a man. I won't tolerate it."
 
gus : "ive killed many a sassy bandit with just my pistol....."

"one thing i wont tolerate is a surly bartender..."
 
hey triplek what do you think the elks chances are with all the chuppacabras running around now adays lol


Just Living The Dream
 
Wapati, is about as stupid and ignorant a person as has been on here. I feel as I have said on here many times before, there is much of the world you cannot hunt without a guide, so look at how much he is missing out on. I have been hunting for over 50 years, have been on several hundred hunting trips, yes you read that right. I have backpacked in Alaska for 29 days without a guide and I have been on many guided hunts in the far north Canada and Alaska. I have been with some of the best guides going and some of the worse. Some have become very good friends, some have been just kids who I'm sure I taught them a hell of a lot more than they taught me.I'm sure in his own little mind Wapiti is some super hunting machine, but I would be willing to bet he coudn't pack some of these guides jock strap. Also wapiti I will compare W-2's 4's or whatever with you if you want? I'll bet serious money I have more record book animals than you have animals and most were killed without a guide but I sure as hell dont feel any less different about the ones I have killed with a guide. Many great memories with each one. What a freakin MORON. I guess I probably got carried away a little dont post near as much as I used to just because of Morons like this.This is one of the best forums out there is a great learning tool and is a lot of help to alotof people. Lets try and keep it that way.
 
LAST EDITED ON Oct-16-07 AT 02:34AM (MST)[p]Man! I hate walking in, turning on ESPN and finding out I missed a good fight.

Wapiti, why don't you come to the Western Hunting Expo in February, find our booth and introduce yourself. Don't hide behind that computer screen any longer. You won't because you're a coward. You've proven that with every post. Calling out ALL guides/outfitters and their clients. You self righteous POS!!!! It's easy to say those things when you're typing them. Brad Paisly has a new song out. Not sure what the title is but it basically describes guys like you...."5'3", overweight etc. but on the computer you're "6'4" with lots of money and driving expensive cars. Yep, I'm a redneck. I guessing you need a good ol fassion redneck arse kickin. Gloves are off buddy...it's bare knuckle time my friend, and as Doc Holiday put it "I'll be your huckleberry"!

It's always an adventure!!!
www.awholelottabull.com
 
I am convinced now that I will put in for the Pahvant bow bull tag in 2008!

I would settle for a 380 DIY bow bull that is for sure.

If I ever draw my Nevada bull tag or the ole Baca Ranch tag... I am calling one person..... Doyle Moss-- period...

Robb
 

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