antelope island deer h unt!

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heard on the news that there is a bill in the house trying to go through to allow 2 deer permits 2 goat and 2 more bison tags. but the way the news cast presents it is "what affect is this going to have on you seeing wildlife in the park" i think it is a good idea! i have heared of several monster bucks out there... what do you think? will they go for it or not? i personally would like to see it but i dont think it will pass..they have tried this before and it got shot down!!
 
I personally would think it would be a shame to let someone hunt those animals. No difference then hunting behind a 20 foot fence (hence the island). This issue has come up in the past and I hope its squashed like the other attempts.
Later, Brandon
 
What a sad day that would be. The whole purpose of hunting is the challenge of finding a trohy animal and pitting your skills against his. The island would not be a hunt. You know the animals are there, if you blow your stalk, you'll probably run into another big one over the ridge.

Don Peay say's SFW is behind it. Bull Sh$$. If you poled the SFW members they would vote against it. SFW needs to change it name to Sportsman for the Rich and Lazy. I have been a supporter for SFW for several years and think they have done some awesome stuff, but this would be a hunting JOKE. Sure, your gonna kill a B&C class animal every time. So what if a public hunter get a tag too. Its not a hunt, and would not benifit the island a bit.

I have been watching these bucks for several years and enjoy the fact that on any given night I can go watch a couple thirty inchers. Its a mule deer lovers paradise for filming and photographing big bucks. But It WOULDN'T BE A HUNT!

Sure, we all want to kill that smoker buck that just drops the jaw, I couldn't in good conscience kill a buck out there and call it hunting. Like Brandon said. No different than hunting behind a fence. And sportsman should be apposed to that.

Yelum, A Sportsman against an Antelope Island hunt.
 
I agree with Yelum and Browtine, 100%. This idea just makes Average Joe Citizen, who really doesn't care one way or the other about hunting, an anti-hunter. Heck, I hunt and don't feel comfortable with this plan. EMAIL your Reps or it could pass.

I think they could sell shed hunting permits for $50-100 each, have a Spring season, and generate some money for the park. Then you make money off the resource, but don't have to remove them to do it.
 
Great idea 2_Point
I have made that suggestion to several park personel but they don't like that idea either. Even a shed hunt where you only got to photograph and measure them, then turn the sheds over to the park to put in a display room would be cool. That way you could see what was out there and look for him while he's packing. You could definately walk up on a bruiser shed and feel good about the hunt.

Yelum
 
Its a great idea. The thousands of dollars these hunts will produce will help wildlife in other areas. But I guess you SFW bashers didnt think of that. I am sure your lame idea of a shed hunt would produce hundreds of thousands, LMAO. Who cares if the deer are hand fed! If it produces over 100K anually for habitat in other areas why not do it.
 
Nunya
Sure I've thought about it. It has been an issue for several years. And the governers tag will be sold regardless of where they hunt so the money is still helping wildlife through out the state. I'm not bashing SFW. I've been a member for over 5 years, going to their banquets and donating to the cause. But I'm also not a sheep following their every cause. I simply don't believe every thing they do is for the betterment of the wildlife.

You said "So what if their hand feed" And you call yourself a sportsman. Baaa, baaa. If the almighty Don wants the tag holder to shoot the biggest animal in the state, let SFW buy a heard of mule deer and raise a nice crop of bucks and let the tag holder go out to the pen and shoot one. What I'm saying is the island would not be a hunt. Its not a challenge to find a trophy buck out there. The first word of SFW is Sportsmen. Whats sporting about shooting a buck that isn't going anywhere.

As for our lame shed hunt idea. It could be used to raise thousands of dollars for the betterment of the island and its wildlife, while the auction $$ raise from the tags used elswhere could be used where real hunters want them. Now you think about it for a while.

Yelum
 
Ok yelum, I've thought about this for a while. I dont remember saying anything about a Gov. tag. Not sure where you picked that up. As for the rest of your post I gets hard to decipher. Especially the last paraghraph. Also I did not say "So what if their hand feed". I'm not the smartest brick in the pile but I deserve more credit than that. That statement makes no sense and half of the words are spelled wrong. I believe I said "so what if they are hand fed".
What I am saying is I dont really care where the money comes from (god knows it is not going to come from the likes of you) as long as it is legal. If it is making better mule deer habitat, transplanting sheep, controling predators, etc... Then I say we could sacrafice a couple deer from the island a year for the betterment of the states wildlife.
Have you and your cronies formed picket lines to protest the Antelope island bison hunt? Thats about as canned as it gets. I havent heard much opposition to that hunt.
Now you think about that for a while.
 
There's no problem with a debate, but keep it clean please. Telling people they have things up butts is not acceptable.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Wow, I must have missed post #8. Thanks or the reminder Brian.
Nunya
I apologize for the incorrect spelling of a few words. I should of used cut and paste. But this thread is not about spelling its about mule deer, but that is what you said, just not how you spelled it.

As for the Gov. tag, thats what this is about. Don wants the tag holder to be able to hunt the island. In addition, a tag would be issued to a LE draw recipient. And then the sportsmans tag holder would want to hunt there.

And yes, the buffalo hunt is also a canned hunt, and I would never call myself a hunter for killing one out there either. You'd be stupid. You can buy one from the action and take it home and shoot it for less than half the price and get the same thrill. But that hunt has been going on for longer than I have been alive so I won't protest it. And I'm not old enough to have cronnies.

I don't want to turn this into an ugly debate I just have my opinion and this site allolws use to share them with others.

Why won't these guys go to places like elk farms? Some do, but others want to percieve themselves as getting a free ranging animal, and Don has them and others believing the bucks on the island are free ranging. They are, as far as the waters edge.

I don't know what you think "the likes of me" are, but I'm 40+, make $60K+ and love hunting and helping the wildlife cause. I have donated $1000's to SFW and their work to improve habitat for wildlife, but this hunt would benefit nobody but the hunter. He would get the buck of a lifetime. If they don't do this hunt. The Gov. tag will still be sold to the highest bidder for more than its worth and wildlife will benefit.

I'm not one of those guys that hide behind a screen name either. My names Larry and you can call me to share your opinions in private. 801-985-1265

Yelum
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-17-05 AT 02:38PM (MST)[p] The way I read it is 2 mule deer tags and 2 sheep tags will be given. I would assume that 1 tag for each species would be labeled a conservation tag and be auctioned. The proceeds of this would go to the betterment of wildlife elsewhere in the state. The other tag's would be raffled to the general public in one way or another, also producing revenue for wildlife. I fail to see how this is a bad thing.
I'm not saying this is a "hunt" by any means. I would never hunt the island and have no desire to. But if someone else wants to "kill" a deer there and pay thousands of dollars to do it,god bless them. The money they just spent may transplant a sheep, build a guzzler, or finance a reseeding somewhere that I would care to hunt.
If you have donated your time and money to ANY cause that beifits wildlife Yelum, I stand corrected on the "likes of you statement".
Also I could care less if you spell words wrong. I do it myself. However if you are going to quote me then quote me correctly. Thanks and have a nice day.
 
I cannot believe some of these comments. Do you really think that if someone spends 50K and harvests a deer, he or she is not a sportsman?

Just because you don't believe in it, or you think it is unethical doesn't mean it is wrong. If thats the case, maybe we should all hunt with recurves. Whats worse; 2 deer that die of old age or 100k to benefit wildlife?

Now if it has a negative impact on the deer herd then of course I think it is wrong. I also don't think they should be recognized in B&C.

My solution would be have an auction for 1 tag and a raffle for the other.

Woodruffhunter
 
Nunya- I love it when someone plays the -You have never done anything for wildlife- card. Or the -You are all SFW bashers-. Funny stuff. Our table at last year's Orem banquet dropped over $10,000. And to think that I, a SFW supporter, would be against a "Anything For Wildlife and Habitat" proposal.

If the unit is open to hunting the Sportsman's tag holder and Governor's tag holder CAN hunt the unit. So now you have 4 tag holders: Conservation tag, Public tag, Governor's tag, Sportsman's tag. I doubt the island could handle such pressure for many years before it was just another unit, thus cheapening the permit fees there. Rules would have to be re-written to exclude the governor's and sportsman's tags.

The shed idea isn't so bad. 500+ x $50+ = $25,000+ per year. This could go on for years and the DWR wouldn't have togive any to a Conservation Group.
 
One more comment. Do any of you remember the elk transplant they did a few years back on the island? Those elk seemed to be free ranging as they were swimming across the lake back to the (sp?)oquirs. LMAO
 
Nunya
Apparently you do care if I spell it correctly, cause I did quote what you said, just mispelled two words. I agree that the money raised will be used for the good of wildlife. I just don't see why we need to open up a special place for the rich guy to hunt. The money will be raised whether he hunts the island or not. I'm glad these guys with the big $$ do what they do. If I could afford to drop 3 or 4 grand on a LE deer tag I would, but only because I would be challenged to hunt and be given the opportunity. But I'm a sportsmen and I don't thing SFW should be behind this hunt. I have to draw the line on where my ethics lie. I have friends, SFW members and non members that have differents thoughts on this. Thats their right. But If I want to be thought of as a sportsman, I can't be for it.
Yelum
 
WOW 2-point glad "your table" dropped 10K at the orem banquet. So did the table I was at, woopee! Maybe you were at our table? Not sure, since your hiding behind a screen name. Anyway none of that matters.
There are other "open to hunt" areas that the Gov. tag/Sportsman tag cannot hunt. Virgin river desert sheep for example. So you would not have 4 tag holders on the island.
I really doubt you could sell 500 permits for $50 to pick up a shed horn on the island. I wont argue that there are not that many stupid people, I just don't think it would sell, but hey people buy tumble weeds off the internet for $20 ea. so ya never know. If it did go and the DWR kept the money then wow they could almost buy a new truck!
 
I say forget about the deer hunt on the island, just open up the damn chukar hunt!

Rut
 
After the Island bucks are gone, we can try the Thiokol bucks, then the maybe the Trojan bucks....

When I want to shoot, I go to the range. When I want to hunt, I don't pursue captive prey. But I would love a chance to pick-up a few drops from the Island.



'It's all about the gut pile'
 
I dont support the idea of someone even wanting to call this hunting.Dont get me wrong it would make some cash but so does all the other tags they auction to the rich that can afford to go hunting anywhere anytime.I would rather see the deer on the island die of old age before hearing about how tough the hunt was and how he made such a great shot at the buck right off the road and how huge the rack is.I would rather see the application fees go up and take money out of our own pockets for projects to help benefit wildlife rather than have some rich guy killing huge tame deer and getting credit for killing the new state record.Hunt them how they are supposed to be hunted, in the wild not some state park. Whats next open yellowstone up to elk hunting? Sounds real sporting doesnt it?----THE MONEY IT WOULD MAKE. This is not hunting in my book.Fair chase is the only way to hunt.
 
holly cow! i posted this in the morning was not able to post all day then get home and read all this!(to bad i missed post #8) anyway the news said that they just passed it. 1 deer 1 goat they did not say anything about the 2 extra tags for bison or the 2 tags for antelope like they did last night but 3to1 voted in favor for it so they said this 1 tag from each species will be auctioned off to the highest bidder, the other one will go in for a draw.. i am shocked! i never though it would pass.. i see there is alot of bad feelings about this and people hidding behind screen names, but that is there business, every body here should now by now i dont care fore the dwr but this one might be one of the smartest thing they have done in a while.. you have 239 deer out there(thats what they said on the news) how many are dieing of old age and how many in-breading do you have going on out there? a lot i would bet. i dont think 2 tags a year is going to make that big of a difference! but that is just my opionion. i am entitled to it just as you are entitled to yours. i dont have a problem telling my name either.. my name is Larry also......
 
if this is such a easy hunt as you guys say it is and if there is animals that need to be takin out why not make it a handicapped hunt?
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LAST EDITED ON Feb-17-05 AT 06:19PM (MST)[p]Nunya- You question a person's commitment to a cause (SFW) without knowing what the person does for it, then you shrug it off when they actually do support it. Are you one of those High-School-Drop-Out-Guides that is reffered to here on MM?? I have my opinion, you have yours.

Rut- That is the best idea I have heard yet.

Intimidator- It is probably easier than many of us are saying. There are not too many deer on the island thus the only reason to shoot some is for the 250"+ of bone they grow on their head.
 
Be honest, how big are some of the bucks on Antelope Island? Any non typicals that score worth a hoot? Honest answers only please. Thanks
 
ever seen any of the muley magic videos? (#2 in particular)Kong is/was from the island. He was well over the 240 mark..its true this place has some unreal bucks. A quote from the video "This video also contains three other "Brutes" that will score between 255 and 245 B&C points. All three bucks are over thirty-six inches wide"
Later, Brandon
 
There aren't that many deer on the island and the 100 or so coyotes keep em in check. They don't need to be taken out. The only reason this hunt is proposed is because a hunter is guarenteed a 220+ buck with no effort at all. I'm disabled, and wouldn't hunt it if it was offered. As a matter of fact, Don Peay asked if I was interested, but I'm sure he just wanted to use me to open the door for the rich guy. I film and photograph these bucks from my truck. Just last week my wife walked up to within 15 feet of a 4x4 as it feed. Tonight I took a neighbor kid out there and he got within 5 feet of a buck, and they aren't even rutting. Made his day to get a picture of a buck that close.
Yelum
 
4X6,

Thanks for the great post. I agree with you and look forward to hearing what these tags go for. Although I agree with a lot of what SFW does, I cannot figure out why the DWR can't control the tags. Regardless, it sounds like it will benefit sportsman.

Woodruffhunter
 
Alright, I'm on one tonight. Just replied to the boycotting schmalts in the Future of Hunting forum and need to voice my opinion here.

When the Antelope Island hunt came up a few years back, I was completely against it. However, I've had a slight change of heart.

On one hand, it just doesn't seem too sporting to go out there and kill a deer with a high-powered rifle and possibly 4 or 5 guides helping. I would hate for people who are neither pro or anti hunters to starting believing that those types of hunts are what we stand for.

On the other hand, the amount of money and good that one of those deer could produce can go a long way in helping deer that we all can hunt.

IMO, I believe the tags should offered as proposed---one for draw and one for auction. However, it should be a stick-n-string (archery) hunt --- 5-7 days with NO guides allowed off the designated trails that the rest of us have to stay on.

Basically, ONLY the archer can pursue the deer during the 5-7 day hunt.

I believe the tag would still fetch many thousands of dollars and the "Sportsmen" who support the hunt could hold their heads high knowing that it's not a tall-dollar, canned hunt.
It would be a "Hunt" to pursue a trophy with a bow on the island.

That's my opinion.

Brian Latturner
MonsterMuleys.com
 
Isn't it enough that there are a few places out there where we can watch big bucks and dream of maybe seeing or taking one like them someday?

I believe that intrinsic value of those deer out there is for everyone to enjoy, watch and savor. Most people and sportsmen and women will never, ever see a buck of the caliber that is on the island in their lifetime. You take away that opportunity with every buck that would be killed out there.

How many of you out there have small children that you are raising to love wildlife and appreciate wildlife and hopefully indocrinate into outdoor pursuits such as big game hunting?
To be able to go to a place like Antelope Island, put the spotter lens on a giant buck and watch a little kids eyes light up is far more important than someone with the cash being able to whack another one for the collection of winter range, post season monsters.
 
Buckspy,

By far the best post I have read on this thread. Thanks for putting it just like I would have liked to say it.

Corey
 
Just read the Tribune, looks like this might go. I guess you guys can join Friends Of Antelope Island, dress up in Bambi costumes and throw red paint on the rich ######## that kills a deer out there.
 
I can't imagine how it would feel to shoot a nice 240" buck as he stood and watched you while chewing his cud as he has done all his life and then suddenly BOOM! Lights out! What a great accomplishment! Like BuckSpy and Yelum have already said, I'd much rather have the opportunity to take my little boys out and show them what the big bucks look like. Let the predators do their thing and just let the place be.

NvrEnuf
 
From what I have read in the above posts some are totally against it, Most think its wrong, A few think its ok.. Is it ok to do something wrong to make allot of cash? I guess the guy on the news said there just old un productive animals. If we are only going to shoot the unproductive deer who is going to guide these people around to show them the ones that can be shot? Wow this is a complex issue. If they let people shoot the island deer that's fine and dandy but don't call it a hunt. Its like going down to a pheasant club and turning out 10 roosters that have been eating out of a farmers hand all year. In one of the above posts it was mentioned that you could get 10 feet from the deer. Call it the annual fund raiser for Utah wildlife or we need more f250's with coffee cup holders make allot of cash deer shooting event. The bow hunt thing sounds best. I think this will pass. The one thing the state needs right now is MONEY.
 
Not to stroke Buckspy's ego, but well said Spy.

I wonder how much the auction tag will bring after the 230"+ bucks are shot? I doubt it will be the "$81,000" that everyone talks about. There are only a few true slugs on the island. 1 maybe 2 years of this hunt and all you have to sell are maybe 190-200" bucks. Now that is a dandy deer to me, but it is only worth $10,000-15,000 on the auction block. What a waste of our resources. Leave the bucks be, even though NUNYA needs the guide fee to get his GED.

The portrayal of this shoot on the news will be worse than Jim Bob driving up and down Main in Salt Lake with his 2 point tied to the top of the 1984 Jeep Cherokee, which he shot in the head, slit its throat, tongue hanging out, blood dripping off the side windows.
 
Is the wedge driven between an already divided group of sportsmen really worth a few dollars?
In my opinion, this is one more action that will actually do irreparable damage.
We owe it to non consumptive users of the resource to leave some areas off limits.
I guess the money up-front looks good. And under the camouflage of save the habitat, seems worthwhile, but the long term damage produced by such an action won't be worth the couple of acres of winter range that the money could fetch. I know people that don't hunt, and as long as they have a place to go and enjoy, without me trampling on them, they don't seem to mind me hunting. Can we afford to continue forcing ourselves into the few remaining refuges?
Bad idea! I'm disappointed.
 
I say bring it on. Dead is dead whether you shoot it at 200 yards or 20. The first couple of deer will be fools, the others will wise up quickly.

I've never been there so I may be up in smoke but it seems to be a large island with plenty of places to hide.

if it is a situation where A game warden and biologist point out the animal you can kill then you shoot it. I say don't do it.
 
I have to agree with nunya.
May be you guy's in the suburbs have a better management strategy,
Let's sub divide it bring in wal-mart that should take care of the deer issue.
After the deer are pushed off then people could hunt them in thier boats.
 
Great population management philosophy. Whack the two biggest bucks in the herd and that ought to help. Kill does if your worried about population numbers, which is obviously of no concern.

Its so shallow to try and disguise this hunt as a population management tool. Its almost an insult to our collective intelligence to even go there and downright deceitful to present it in that manner in front of the public.

Bottom line is its getting harder and harder to get that monster buck for the Gov tag hunter every year and this would be a convieniant way of getting it done near a major airport and in a day or less. Cha-ching!
 
Everyone seems to be focusing on the point, that this would be to accomidate only the rich.
However,most everyone on this posting and/or site would not decline the permit if it was thiers.
So where does ethics/prinipal figure in.
Is it only unethical as long as I do not have the permit?
 
I couldnt agree more with giving out more tags! But we all know what has happened to the size of the deer herd in Utah from issueing to many tags for too many years.......right to the crapper!!
 
First off let me say I will NEVER be guiding on Antelope island. I have never been to the island and I don't ever want to visit the island (Great SL stinks). You SLC folk can keep that gem for your self. All I really wanted was a couple hundred grand from your park deer for another SFW sheep transplant.
The Gov. tag holder will NOT be allowed to hunt there. For you who can't get that through your heads. The Bison Gov. tag cannot hunt the island why would the deer or sheep tag holder get to. I am sure the hunt or kill would go down like the Bison hunt. DWR officials would take you out and tell which animal you can kill.
Second of all you guys are way to easy to get stirred up. LMAO. I am truly sorry you SLC boy's have to go to a park to see a mature mule deer.
Just so I too can get on the BUCKSPY buttkiss wagon, well said BUCKSPY. LOL,sorry Mike no offense I could'nt resist.
Anyway you fellars have fun hashing this out, in 2 hours I will be on my way to Mexico. I will not be thinking of you while I'm pulling in those huge Lake Huites bass....Later
 
Let the rich keep supporting the wildlife and let them shoot a couple bucks a year. There is nothing fair chase about shooting an animal with what weapons we have today.

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NBJB
 
I know NUNYA won't be reading this, but I have an idea. Lets Auction off a Capital Reef Park Campground permit and shoot some of those deer right there in the Fruita orchards. Now we know that they are hand fed and used to seeing people everyday, but hey for $10,000 we will do anything.

Then if we add the $10,000 from the Reef hunt to the $15,000 from the Antelope Island hunt we will only be $100,000 short for the sheep transplant.

Or Why don't we just spend $10,000 and transplant the surplus sheep from the Island to wherever they are needed in Utah. Oppps, that would would be way too easy and not cost enough.
 
Testy???


They are talking about shooting two deer and two sheep a year. Are you guys really convinced that two deer a year would hurt the population of deer on Antelope Island? Even if they were the two biggest bucks in the herd it would not affect the genes or the herd numbers.

A bunch of whiners are sure upset about two deer and two sheep a year. If hunting in Utah ever gets to the point where I have to fight over two more tags a year I will hang it up.
 
This is how I see it.

The deer argument is a facade to the greatest prize on the Island. This has everything to do with hunting California Bighorns. This was the reason for the proposal a few years ago in my opinion. Notice that the prized Bighorns are now included in the proposal.

If the bighorns were not there this proposal would not be on the table.
 
nunya why didn't this go to the RAC why did this get backdoored through the legislature, smells like the normal SFW steaming pile of !!@#$ guess above board tactics are long gone
just backdoor things right through
 
RE: antelope island deer hunt!

If those Elk did really drown out in Salt Lake that only confirms that elk may be the stupidest animal alive, I remember as a kid swimming out in the great salt lake & not being able to sink, so HTF does an elk go about drowning in the lake ???

On a differant topic, as an experiment, I'd like to put one of our puny 1st year spikes on the island & see what it would look like as a mature deer compared to the island bucks.

I'm for allowing the shoot on the island, I've heard that the 1st tag will fetch in excess of $ 250,000- that's one quarter of a million reasons to allow the canned hunt.

Lastly, even though I disagree on this issue, I want it to be known I'm still a loyal Buckspy butt-kisser :)

Also, would someone please send me a P.M. about the content of post # 8
 
RE: antelope island deer hunt!

I'd be willing to bet that the majority of hunters here in MM land who oppose the Island hunt, for whatever reason, wouldn't hesitate to whack a trophy from your quad or 4WD truck if the opportunity presented itself. I know that I'am comparing apples and oranges but, some of us are so damn righteous and opionated that our brains are just full of puppy poop. Let the state take the money and run if someone is willing to throw the bones. Yo eleven!
 
I personally get a knot in my stomach every time a PUBLIC land animal is sold to the highest bidder. I think it's a very slippery slope. Where does it end? What happens if next year somebody introduces legislation to sell 5% of all deer tags at auction? And maybe five years from now raise it to 10%? What happens when the Fish&Game departments figure out they don't really need Joe Blow? I don't think it's written anywhere that the not so well off citizens have a right to hunt.

If we really need extra money for wildlife projects, I would prefer to raise lisences or tags to meet the needs. And put a stipulation that our money is to be used for the stated purpose. If it's that worthy of a project, I don't think hunters would mind paying more. And you can always donate if you so desire.

I just hate to see the peoples wildlife sold to the highest bidder. I'm not from Utah, but it's happening more and more in all the western states. I worry about where this is all headed.

Steve
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-19-05 AT 02:20PM (MST)[p]I have to bring up the big glaring point to me that in the debate over the idea of hunting on an island is really hunting,
we've missed that Antelope Island is a State Park? This bill would open a whole big door toward setting a precedant allowing hunting on all State Parks. I just happen to disagree with that in philosophy.
On the other hand, I think we as hunters would have a hard time defending an Antelope Island hunt on any biological basis whatsoever. Is the buck-doe ratio out of whack? Are they having to be fed like the bison? Are the sheep dying of starvation, are there even population goals?

It disturbs me when I know that this issue was brought up at the RAC's and was voted down. It disturbs me more when it comes up for 'debate' at the legislature and the biologists are not allowed to weigh in.

But then again, when has Utah ever used biology to determine tags?
 
I say let it happen . 2 deer isnt gonna hurt the population I live by there . I just think peeps get mad because we got this antelope island , and nows its offering 2 tags .Its like hunting a LE for elk they all get huge compared to a any bull unit. Let it be dun !!!

Cameron
 
Can I get a translation for ^^^^^^^ !?!??!?! :)

Anyways,

Honestly, i am torn on how I view this hunt. Initally I was all for it, but some of you have really brought up some good points about why we should allow it and why we shouldn't allow.

I would like to read more on what the biologist and park managers have to see about the affects of this hunt...both pro and con, so if anyone has any info or knows where I could find some, please let me know.

Thanks,

TUFF
 
I am 100% against the Antelope Island hunt. I enjoy hunting to the fullest, but more so, I like knowing that there are monster mule deer out there like some on the island. I figured the idea of having them on the island was for viewing purposes. I still have not gone out there to see them, although I have seen some pics. There are some good opportunities here in the state for some trophy mule deer hunting. I think we should leave the island alone. Should the island become over populated, then they could be transported to another unit. I can only imagine what the price tag would be...Let's put our efforts in to conserving mule deer on the public units, and let this idea die off!
 
If money is the issue, I say put casinos on the island and run it like Las Vegas.

Look at the cash flow opportunities and the kick start to the Utah economy. We would have tourist from all over the world going to the island spending their life savings. Now we are talking some serious cash.

I cannot believe this is about a few animals and a few measley $100k. If money is the issue, then scrap the idea of making a few hundred thousand from a couple of guys. Put some entertainment out there like free booze, gambling, roller coasters, and cathouses. All can enjoy and there is real potential for really "big bucks."
 
I have never seen the "Island".
As far as the blanket statement of "Hunting on an Island is not hunting" goes, may I offer Kodiak Island?
50 miles wide by 100 miles long.
Mountainous, swampy valleys, alder choked, nasty.
I doubt antelope island compares.
 
I have been the horse concessionaire/outfitter for over ten years out on the island. We have provided opportunities for the public to view these animals in a way that has protected the islands ecosystem. We work closely with the managers of the island that have the hard job to protects the island, but also allow the public to enjoy its beauty.

The job to decide weather or not these animals should be hunted, lies with the natural resource managers of the state. If there were to be a hunt, we would be in a position to make money guiding the hunts. That being said, I would not be for hunting the neither deer nor big horn on the island. I would rather guide people with cameras and binoculars.

R&G horse and wagon, LLC
 
>I have never seen the "Island".
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>As far as the blanket statement
>of "Hunting on an Island
>is not hunting" goes, may
>I offer Kodiak Island?
>50 miles wide by 100 miles
>long.
>Mountainous, swampy valleys, alder choked, nasty.
>
>I doubt antelope island compares.

Or Prince of Wales... Admirality...


-DallanC
 
RG Horse,
I'm a local and I'm not aware of the opportunies to view & photograph the wildlife. Could you add some insight to your schedule or direction on where to locate the opportunies.
Thanks, Claude
 
I sure hope the officials in Jasper here of this. Can't wait to start applying for a tag to kill the MONSTER RAMS they got there. Walk up, feed it an apple and then hammer it. :):)
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RGhorse

I THINK YOU'RE LOOKING INTO THE FUTURE FURTHER THAN THE UDWR IS!!!

THIS STATE WILL DO ANYTHING FOR QUICK CASH!!!

I CAN TELL YOU DON'T WANT IT WIPED OUT DUE TO GREED!!!

CAN YOU IMAGINE 1 OR 2 PERMITS THE FIRST YEAR AND HAVE THE DOLLAR SIGHNS IN THEIR EYES START ROLLING & ISSUE 50 PERMITS THE FOLLOWING YEAR???

IF THE MULE DEER HERD WOULD OF BEEN MANAGED RIGHT IN THIS STATE THERE'D STILL BE A HELL OF ALOT BETTER HUNTING THAN WHAT WE HAVE TODAY,YA I KNOW THERES OTHER PROBLEMS!!!

I'M WITH ktc,THERES OTHER WAYS OF MAKING A HELL OF ALOT MORE MONEY THAN HUNTING MULEYS ON ANTELOPE ISLAND!!!

THE PERIMETER OF THIS STATE HAS SEVERAL MONEY MAKERS IN EVERY DIRECTION,YOU CAN'T DO THIS OR THAT HERE BUT CROSS THE STATE LINE AND DO AS YOU PLEASE!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WONDERING IF THEY'LL START HAVING ELEPHANT HUNTS AT HOGLE ZOO???
 
LAST EDITED ON Feb-21-05 AT 09:27PM (MST)[p]It is absolute bull $hit to allow any mule deer hunting on that island. I would sure like there to be at least one place that trophy bucks are free from big$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Justin
www.huntinco.com
 
Oh Boy what a topic.
First may I say it probably isn't the hunt for me. I would lots rather take their pictures then spend the next 30 years drawing a tag for a coveted tag on say a CWMU, or a L.E. unit where they live in a wild sanctuary rather then a wild park type sanctuary. Or bye a private tag for 10-20 k. (NOT) It is a resource that belongs to all. Not just limited to a horse guide that has the only rights to the Island. No disrespect mind you I might be wrong. I think this is a resource that all can benefit from. And this is a good starting place.
I just want to say hats off to the house for passing the bill. So often we as hunters, sportsman, conservation groups, loose ground to hunting. Even if it is just a few tags.
Where as who ever pulls the trigger be it a kid, granny with cancer like my mom who just wants to hunt one more time, the mighty archer, Or some one of MM.
To limit it to just arrow chucker would be foolish. That would take to many with the quest out of the picture.
You can bet your sweetness that their eyes will twinkle who ever pulls the trigger. It more then likely will be the hunt of a lifetime who ever draws the public tag. They will be hooked for life. And support hunting forever. Who is to say it will be a 240-class buck it might be some kids first 2 point.
And the kids will still be able to see the bucks. So many are there.
Canned I don't think so. Yes I have been there and actually petted the deer. But the monster bucks I don't think so. The Island can be one wild place. Some where in the neighbor hood of 42000 acres. That is take one deer in 20- 30 square miles. How many here have been to the back side of the Island? For those who feel it is a walk in the park well it probably isn't a hunt for you. Where did the monies come from to put the sheep there? Probably sheep hunters and support groups? They deserve the right. And the elk did die except one cow. She is probably dead now. That was years ago.
Could we introduce wolf out there? Like Yellowstone? But I think we should wait until sporting groups have spent more introducing more species.
Hunting is a heritage we must protect as we do the Island. Just think now we can do both. Chucker hunting!!! kewl.
Now go ahead and spell check me and bash away. Just to say good luck. Are you an anti hunter just because it is a park? Support the hunt and hunter may I. We won one. We are loosing ground fast. So be it??
Kelly
 
Let me be the first to offer my filming expertise to the winning shooter, Heck I can bust out the old Kodak and bring back some jim dandy photo's.
If the finders fee goes over $10,000.00 I will even spray paint a bullseye on the buck of the shooters choice.

I listened to Fishon's radio show last night you could hear the dollar signs rolling by in his head. this hunt is about one thing $$$$$$$$.

This was not presented to the RAC's because it would never have passed. I guess some people have found a way around doing things above board.

This stinks to high heaven
 
THe more I hear about this the more I am against it. Actually, all the reasons I actually thought it might be a good idea, have been wiped out of my mind by the negatives. It;s just a reminder that hunting is becoming a big money sport, and unfortunately on a cops salary, I wont ever have the big money that will be required for me and my kids to hunt. A big thanks to SFW for another money driven project!!

TUFF
 
Justin,

Not to pick a fight or anything, but aren't you kind of being a hypocrite by saying that and then having your website advertisement right below. I know you don't charge $80,000 or whatever, but the bucks on your properties aren't free from big money.
 
Here is a picture of one of those very wild and cagey deer from the island. Probably a 200 inch gr buck. I believe RGHORSE even had a very close encounter with this buck when it got tangled in a fence.
Yelum
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Ok! The Wasatch front has a population of at least one million people. An educated guess leads me to think that about 10% of those folks are hard core hunters and 10% are bonafide anti hunting. That leaves 80% of a million sitting on the fence. If only one in ten is offended by the assassination of a tamed deer; then that's about eighty thousand new anti hunters, including some of my closest friends. Again, is this really worth a couple of hundred thousand dollars. That sounds like a lot on money until you put it to paper and see how far it goes.
After whatever percentage is creamed off, maybe enough money will be left to purchase a few Acers of winter range. In the big picture. A few acres here and there is not going to change the eventual outcome. Whomever would have developed any particular piece of property saved, will likely acquire another interchangeable piece. I'm not against raising money for wildlife and saving every piece of land that we can. But we need to use common scene and not blow our own feet off in the process. I encourage SFW (D. Peay) and our Utah State legislators to reconsider and think of the long term effects this will have. It's a bad idea...
What's the next target? National Parks!
 
Yep, Don Peay doesn't want more, he wants it all. CO better fight against SFW coming there or Estes Park is next. Even the elk in Bear world won't be safe for long.
 
You have ONE place in the whole state of Utah where a guy could take his family and have a real good chance of showing his kids a giant buck. You can't do that anywhere else that I know of on a consistant basis and people want to take that opportunity away.

Last time I checked, I thought hunting big mulies was all about the challenges, the country and being rewarded for paying your dues.

Where do we draw the line on what's for sale? I know a guy who would really like to have a snow leopard or Siberian tiger lifesize for his collection if you could pass a state law making it OK for the local zoo to have a hunt. The zoo staff wouldn't be allowed to have input on that either, but who the hell cares. That snow leopard hunt could bring in alot of money for sportsmen because a public relations program is going to be whats needed after this nonsense happens.

Yelum-That would be a great place to shoot a semi-tame deer. It would make a unique whomp-ting sound as the bullet goes through the deer and hits the corrugated metal building. It would make a wonderful video.
 
ANYBODY THAT THINKS IT THROUGH WILL REALIZE THAT TAKING FOUR TOTAL ANIMALS OFF OF THE ISLAND 1 TIME PER YEAR WILL NOT SHUT DOWN THE "PETTING ZOO" OR VIEWING OPPORTUNITIES OUT THERE. A COUPLE WEEKS AGTER THE SEASON THOSE ANIMALS WILL BE RIGHT BACK TO THEIR NORMAL ROUTINES. WILLYBILL.
 
As long as sportsman stand by and let the big money folks do to hunting what they will our future to hunt anywhere is in jeoprady.
The high fence hunters say we are all sportsman and should stand together....Well the high fence, baiting, deer cocaine, tree fort and sanctuary hunters are making the majority of hunters look like Elmer Fudd.
The general public that does not hunt is already seeing ole Bubba in a heated tree fort shoot a deer over a corn flinger you can hear in the background and expecting that to be considered the norm.
Do we as sportsman want those type of individuals to portray all of us as these types? I say no but as soon as I raise my voice I get banned from a "hunting" site or called an elitist snob for believing in hunting fair chase.
Lazy is lazy plain and simple...Just like hunting is hunting not just shooting.
I have zero respect for those that will do anything to take a "trophy" to hang on the wall that involves restricting an animals movement and manipulating it's behavior.
A million dollars isn't worth the integrity of the sport.
Keep ignoring the facts and soon there will be nowhere to hunt without a wad of cash or hunting will be banned forever.
Sorry son I cannot take you hunting this year, they raised the prices again but let me tell you how hunting really used to be.
My opinion.
Jerry
 
The problem I see in the future about hunting the deer on the island is that there has never been a whole lot of deer out there. For how big the island is your lucky to see a deer. there's only about 250 head living out there and only 50 of them are bucks. Out of the bucks that are out theres maybe 10 of them are mature bucks. So if let the state managed these deer by hunting 2 of these big bucks each year. In a few year there won't be any more big bucks left to see.
 
To correct my last post, when I said mature bucks I mean the biggest ones on the island. Most people believe a 180 inch buck is mature, but on the island 180?s are common.
 
Do you guys realize this Island was hunted every year before the state took it over? A few more then two deer a year were taken. It has a history of being hunted and having more deer maybe twice as many as it now carries. This was when it was ranched now that it is left alone it does not carry as many deer. Maybe some money can be kept on the island to help the habitat.
I have never been on Antelope Island only talked to some old timers that worked on it before the state took it.
What is the access like? Are there roads crisscrossing it?
From what I have heard visitors are only allowed to access a small part is this true? Are the really big bucks we hear about in areas that visitors can see them? Is it easy to veiw the sheep?
I guess I should drag my kids up there this summer and check it out. Can I bring my own horses?
If these bucks are so easy someone should have some good pictures to share with us.
 
BUCKSPY,

Have some of your photos come from Antelope Island? I've been their a few times and I've never seen a 235+ non typical. Yes, I've seen a few 180+ typicals but not the studs that everyone here seems to know about. Just curious.
 
The video Muley Magic II, " In The Brute Zone" has live footage of a couple of the Island bucks that are flat out flippen monsters by any standards. Of coarse they dont mention the location . They just call it public land. That class of bucks is what Don wants to sell. I'm against it . In my opinion its really short sighted. It will cause long term public relations damage for a short term windfall. Just look at all of the hunters on this thread that oppose it.
 
yes there are alot of people here opposing this but, there is alot of people here for it as well.. the 1 th ing you have to look at is what ever you do you are going to piss a few people off..cant make every body happy.. is 2 deer a year really that big of a deal???
 
TWO 'PET' DEER PROBABLY ISN'T THAT BIG OF A DEAL BUT:!!!

THEY PROBABLY HAVE NAMES!!!

WILL IT STAY AT JUST TWO A YEAR???

I HAD A GUY I WAS TALKING TO THE OTHER DAY SAY:I'LL BET THEY GET 3 OR 4 GRAND FOR THAT BID TAG,I JUST LAUGHED,IF THAT WAS THE CASE,THEY COOULD AUCTION SEVERAL THOUSAND ISLAND PERMITS AND NEARLY EVERY UTARD I KNOW WOULD HAVE ONE!!!

I'D BET THE PERMIT GOES 100,000.00 +!!!

NEXT TIME YOU GUYS FIND A PLACE IN UTAH WITH BIG MULEYS (FAT CHANCE!!!)JUST KEEP IT QUIET UNLESS YOU WANT IT HUNTED OUT DUE TO MONEY!!!

IT LOOKS LIKE THE PERFECT PLACE FOR THE ANTI'S TO STEP IN TO ME,IF THEY DO I GUESS YOU'LL HAVE TO THROW EM OUT IN THE SALT WATER!!!

THE ONLY bobcat WONDERING IF THESE ISLAND MULEYS KNOW WHAT A FEEDER IS???
 
why do you think they are pets? i would be willing to bet that they are smarter than you think!! give them some due credit! ok sure they probley dont run off right away when they see you but neither does all the deer anywhere else.. after the 1st shot they will get the hint of what is going on and they will be harder to find and get every year! on the other hand i agree with you they should leave the tags at 2 no more other wise they will wipe them out like has been mentioned here.. that is just my 3 1/2 cents worth!!!
 
I don't know why everyone is so worried about the anti's on this one. The anti's don't cause that big of a stir for the buffalo hunt out there.

My dad had a buffalo tag out there a few years ago. It obviously wasn't the toughest hunt I have been on, but it wasn't necessarily shooting fish in a barrel.

The people who drew the Buffalo permit could go scout anytime you wanted and you could drive the island. The deer were actually really hard to find. The ones we did see were just as spooky as any other deer.

It wouldn't be any different than hunting deer on private property somewhere. Get on the island, it a lot bigger than you think it is when you get out on it.
 
Bobcat, I understand your point of view & the majority of our members on this topic, but I respectfully disagree on the mater.
The premise that there will be a strong public shift of opinion against hunting if this is allowed, I just don't buy that.

The strongest opinion against this will be from the hunting purest as reflected in the above posts. Where as in reality the animals cannot continue to flourish on the island indefinitely with out being put into check at some point, especially now that we have added sheep to the mix, eventually it will be over-grazed & the herds will need to be culled, We put them on the island now we must manage them, like we manage animals everywhere else, I think a worse attitude for anti's is the idea that nature just always takes care of itself, thus hunters are not needed in order to keep populations into check.
Fact is we are the stewards of the islands, same as the rest of the state. Similarly every time the Buffalo's are culled there is no public outcry. It's doing our part to keep the balance, AKA game management.

I think the stronger sentiment that most have here is that it is not very sporting, which is a correct, can't argue that one. Archery would add a degree of difficulty but only after the deer have been hunted for a while, I think a spear-chucking hunt would be successfully, until the petting zoo critters have been culled.

The other argument is that people won't stand for canned hunts, Well Texas has more hunts that would fit this bill than than anywhere else in the nation, & as mentioned in the gen. forum, there is a very Strong pro-hunting sentiment down there.

And for those who say this hunt is all about the money.......
Duh.....

Of course it is, its a valuable renewable resource that can returns millions of dollars to benefit wildlife & when those first permits fetch over 100 grand, many non hunters will take note as to what a valuable asset mule deer really are, & not just a nuisance animal that likes to dodge cars on the highway at night.
Lastly it does not make sense that because we don't think it's fair chase we allow these same animals be chased down when they succumb to old age and become coyote snacks.

Just my view.
 
Two tags here 188 tags there not to mention the 342 tags already in existence for the conservation groups. Add the 3 new bid tags to the list and you are at 533 when does it end??

Check the letter of the week in the SL Trib for this week
this money grab is a black eye for hunters, The trophy=$$$
is a dangerous road to go down
 
B_F_E_

I GUESS WHAT YOU'RE TRYING TO TELL ME IN A ROUNDABOUT WAY IS THIS IS MY ONLY CHANCE AT A B_F_D_!!!

THE LOTTERY TAG IF THERE IS ONE OF COURSE!!!

I'M ABOUT 125,000.00 SHORT TO BE BIDDING ON THE BID TAG!!!

I WOULD LIKE A CHANCE AT A 34"+ MULEY,I DON'T ASK FOR MUCH DO I???

I GUESS THIS IS THE ONLY CHANCE IN HELL I MIGHT HAVE!!!

ANOTHER UTAH LOTTERY!!!

I DON'T LIKE THE IDEA OF BUYING A BIG MULEY,I'LL JUST KEEP TAKING MY CHANCES ON A TWO POINT HERE IN ALTAMONT!!!

YOU KNOW SOMETHING I DON'T B_F_E_???

I THINK YOU WANT TO HUNT THE ISLAND!!!

YOU'VE SEEN SOMETHING GOOD & YOU WON'T TELL ME,RIGHT???

IF YOUR BID GETS THE TAG,CAN I TAG ALONG???

I WOULD AT LEAST LIKE TO SEE A BIG MULEY EVEN IF ITS AN ISLAND BUCK!!!

THE ONLY bobcat THINKING B_F_E_ MIGHT HAVE SOMETHING UP HIS SLEEVE!!!
 

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