Ca Preference Points

Ridn9high · Mar 6, 2005

LAST EDITED ON Mar-07-05 AT 01:12AM (MST)[p]Just looking over how many points it took last season to draw
X-12. Since Last season 2 points were the maximum number a hunter in Ca could of had, and that is all that should have drawn X-12. We drew in 2002 and only had 1 point last season, No problem. My uncle had 2 points last season and did not draw, which didn't bug me until I read this. There were people with 1 point that drew X-12 and my uncle did not draw with 2. I thought the point system would give each person better odds at drawing then the previous lottery drawing. Am I missing something here. If you look at the image at http://www.dfg.ca.gov/licensing/pdffiles/2004DeerChart.pdf see where it say "LOWEST POINT VALUE AWARDED TAG", then look under X-12 and you will see it show 1 point. Help me out, please.

HogWild · Mar 6, 2005

If your uncle had 2 points going into last years draw, he should of got a tag. The only thing I can think of is there may of been somehing wrong with his app. and it got tossed out. 2 points will draw this tag, or atleast for last year. This year to guarentee a tag it will take 3 points, and then the remaining prefferance quota tags will go to those with 2 points.

Ridn9high · Mar 6, 2005

Everything was fine with the Application and all. He got back the remaining open zones and another point to his other 2. Beats me why he didn't draw, just hope he gets a tag this year. In the last 6 six years we have drawn X-12 twice and he still hasn't drawn. A Case of bad luck, I don't know.

lucky13 · Mar 7, 2005

Ten percent of the tags go into the open lottery. Anyone, even with zero points, can draw there, just blind luck. I don't know what the first choice applications to tag number ratio is but he may not draw this year either. Three points is a good number to have though, good luck.

Sheepshooter · Mar 7, 2005

Did you apply as a party with him ( your uncle ) ? If so your uncle got rounded down to what points you and your Dad had .

Gator · Mar 11, 2005

With the pts system don't it means your name is put into the draw as many times as you have pts, 2pts name in drawing twice 3 pts name in drawing 3times ETC. so he could still not draw with his name in there twice, just the way the luck of the draw goes.
OR does the draw work if you have Max points you are in the draw with all other max points(2) hunters for those tags Exp: 120 hunters with max points 150 tags, everyone will draw a tag and thirtysome will draw with less points. 120 hunters and only 100 tags then at least 20 will not draw this year but should be a lock to draw next year with 3 points. Does this help?

Ridn9high · Mar 11, 2005

No, we did not put in with him last year due to that exact reason. We did not want to take away the advantage of him drawing out, guess it did not matter. LOL.

As for the drawing(correct me if I'm wrong)
Example X zones. First choice takes up all the quota's so lets say the there are 150 tags. 120 people with max points apply for this zone as first choice, they should all draw out. Now you have 30 tags left over and they should go to the next highest point holders. If there are 100 people with second highest points, then there will be a random draw for those hunters. Just an example, the numbers will change in the real drawing because of single entry's and party entry's. Just trying to explain how the drawing works. Atleast what I have understood.

Devlin · Mar 11, 2005

Don;t forget 10% or 15 tags off the top go to a random draw after the main draw so you could still get drawn with no points,hope this helps'''Devlin

HighSierraFirearms · Mar 11, 2005

Sorry but your example is not correct.

Example: 150 tags

90% go to max points = 135 max point tags

120 Apps with max points = They all draw

140 apps with max point only = 135 would be get the tags for sure. The Unlucky 5 would be put in the genaral pool for the 15 remeaning tags with all the other 1st choice apps with less than max points.

This is why a person can draw a tag with 0 points and a guy could not draw even with max points.

The more points the better the chance that you will pull a LOW random #. Example you have 3 point plus this years app. You will now have (4) random #'s, BUT only the lowest one will be put in the draw.

I hope this helps

Eddie

Ridn9high · Mar 12, 2005

This is what I think they should do.

let's say there are 200 tags.

100 first choice with max points = All should draw no maater what.

Then 200 first choice with second max points = put all the apps in a pool with the 100 left over tags, and use a random draw. That is a 50% chance of drawing.

The rest of the apps will have to wait their turn to get their points and their tag. Just seems more fair this way, people have waited their turn with highest points. The way it is now doesn't seem to fair with people with lower points drawing over someone with a high one.

sagebrush · Mar 12, 2005

Be careful what you wish for. Right now, with very few people with max points of 3, it really doesn't make a lot of difference. But when you have point accumulations of ten or more for thousands of applicants, no one would have a chance at a tag but maybe once or twice in a life time. At least once you burn your points on a tag, you have a slight chance at being drawn again. Look at Colorado. You can see how many years it takes to draw a good tag and know you won't be hunting for a long time in those units. In Ca, you will have millions of hunters trying for a handful of tags. Thank goodness we don't have as good as hunting as Colorado otherwise you would have non-residents vying for those few tags also.

HighSierraFirearms · Mar 12, 2005

Sagebrush

I agree with you. I like the system CA has for (2) reasons; It rewards the guy who puts in year after year by giving him 90% of the tags to draw for (max points), but at the same time leaves a a chance to get LUCKY and pull a tag with less than max points.

Colorado's system is great until you draw, and then start you looking at how many years it will take to draw again. It also seems to go up 1 point a year in most quality areas.

Eddie

Ridn9high · Mar 12, 2005

If you look at the number of entry's for first choice and the number of tags for last year, and if you divide that it turns out to be 4-5 years to draw X12 with max points at the time. I heard of a lot of people from last season that drew for the first for time for X12 that will never go back becuase of lack of animals seen.

There are a couple tags I would rather draw in Ca then in Co. Not gonna be specific but the number of big deer I have seen on these hunts or during that hunt season it tremendous.

poconip · Mar 15, 2005

interesting string...

True Story: I had a friend draw X-12 in CA last year...he was extremely suprised...but NOT because he didnt have max preference points, which he didnt. He had chosen one of the more "premium" hunts as his first choice...then, on a whim, put x-12 as his second choice, not thinking it would matter (which it shouldnt). Funny thing is...HE DREW X-12! Someone try to tell me how he could have possibly scored on this tag!

I think the CA DFG needs a little quality control in their drawing process...this example doesnt seem to follow the rules they have set forth.