300 mag vs 300 wsm vs ultra mag

tooele

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I don't want to belabor this point, but I'm going to purchase one of these or a 7mm in the next month. I've read a lot about the differences. I would appreciate anything that you could add or experiences. Weight of the guns while backpacking, sako vs browning vs remington etc.

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T
 
I have the 300RUM and also the 7STW, the 7 is a win70 and the 300 a rem, the stw is heavy to pack but will make the longer shot, but in all honesty I will have to go with the 300 even though i have made more kills with the stw,just because i've had it alot longer, personally wouldn't give you a dime for a short mag, just alot of talk where will they be in another 10yrs?, The ultra will still be going strong and the others just conversation peices, IMO if you aren't burnin over 90grs of powder it to me isn't worth shootin, besides their all so close what does it matter anyway 100fps one way or the other is nothing...Greg
 
that's a good question...GJM why do you think that the short mag will have a short life???
 
by the way tooele, don't forget to check out the Tikka T3 in the 30 cal rounds...basically a cheaper Sako
 
I went out looking today and have really been researching the heck out of this. I'm leaning toward a Sako 75 S/S 300 WSM or a sako 300 mag. The only Sako 300 that I could find in stock was a Sako hunter 300 mag. The WSMs sure are light and feel a whole lot nicer than the regular mag. Everybody is telling me it will tak a month or more to get one in in the stainless steel. I'm half tempted just to go get the regular Sako mag (wood and blued) as it discounted at the present time.

T
 
M1 and Sealer, IMO is what I said, to me the short mags will always hold a place in someones gun safe but not mine they are a passing fad till another one comes along, one guy said it best on here a while back and I will never forget it, he called it Boddington Hysteria!These gun writers put up the hype and there a new ticket for a while and then they are forgotten when another new item comes out, just like me I got a 223wssm shot it and it sets in my safe, don't care for the way it feeds, now they can't even give them away, sure there are some that still buy it but for the most part it won't sell, why? well low and behold here come the 204, new kid on the block so all the others in that class become relics except the 22/250 it will never die. Don't know how old you guys are, but here's an example...how many of these do you rememmber?...lets start with the varmit class...17K Hornet,218 Bee,220 Arrow, 222 Ackley,22/250 Ackley,222 Rem,222 Rem Mag,22 Sav,244 Rem,25-20,6.5 jap, hell my dad killed alot of deer with a 25-35 back in the day, see what I mean they were all hot at one time now just forgotten relics...how about the hunting class...250 Sav,257 Roberts,30/30, 30 Rem,300 Sav,308 Win,30/40 Krag,7.62 Russian,303 British,32 Win,8m/m,35 Rem,358 WIn and on it goes, I often wonder what the next big item will be that everyone just has to have? And if the gun writers put the spin on it , it will be another one that we all just have to have, most will buy it, modify it, judge it and that determines if it lives or dies and becomes another great caliber with longevity or collects dust!...Greg
 
I couldn't be happier with my model 70 in 300 win mag. It has a synthetic stock and isn't too heavy for the field. Recoil is manageable with the sims recoil pad, and the effective range is awesome. The last two bucks I got were 340 (muley) and 256 (coues) yards, both shoulder shots and dead before they knew it. Now if I could only draw an Elk tag...
 
GJM, I hear you about the passing fads, but I do think the WSM's are here to stay, Especially the .300 and .270, and maybe the .325. I liked your list of old favorites because I own quite a few of those you listed. I also own a fad gun in .300 Ultra. Good post. mtmuley
 
GJM, if memory serves me correctly that 7MMSTW was also a fad cartridge developed by Layne Simpson. It is a fine cartridge and was instumental in the development of several other factory over bore cartridges. But lets not lose sight of the fact that Roy Weatherby was really one of the pioneer's in development of the flatter shooting cartridges. Cartridge design has come a long way since I was younger and there have been major gains in accuracy and powder development and case capacity in relation to the implementation of the new short mag cartridges. The feeding issues will get resolved and they will have a decent sales life because they bring something positive to the table ie, inherent accuracy , reduced case length, and shorter actions and milder recoil than the big carridges that can result in a lighter weapon. The chambering of new rifles in the 7MMSTW has been dropped by several manufacturers in the last year or so because sales have dropped off. I personally don't own a 7MM STW or a new short magnum but if I was in the market for a new rifle I would give both serious thought. I agree that a lot of this is hype but if history repeats itself I'd bet my money there will be more short action magnum cartridges sold than 7MMSTW and it's counterparts, because they are easier to shoot and are more compact and that will appeal to the larger market segment. We must have these new designs and products to keep the companies going to help create future innovations and in that we all benefit. Your points are well taken and I too had a few retired zirconia's in my collection.
 
I realize that you didn't list this one, but the 300 Weatherby Mag is the greatest all around Western Big Game Cartridge to ever come along. It is hotter than the 300 WSM or Win. If you are a Remington fan, you may want to go with the 300 Ultra as it is very similar to the Weatherby. You can get the WSM in a 23 inch barrel and the others will be 24 or 26 inch, so that would be a more compact gun.
 
tooele,
I researched for 7 months to buy the right rifle for me. I have a 7mmSTW, but i personally believe in shooting a 30cal. for large game. I bought the Sako 75s/s in 300rum. I hand load 180grn A frames, and i shot my first elk this past year at 380yds. He took 10 steps and dropped. I wish that he would have run the 7 miles to the Jeep, but beggers can't be choosers. Right. I feel comfortable shooting that gun with a good rest up to 500 yards. It is important to match that rifle with a good scope. I am not saying that the Swarv. is the only way to go, because i have a few good scopes in other brands, but the Swarv. 4-12x50 is what i have on it,and i love this gun. The next thing that you will have to consider is whether or not to break it. I chose to leave it as is, because i don't like killing the guys hearing on the shooting bench next to me. I love the gun, and if you decide to get the Sako 75, please let me know how you like it.
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I have a 300 RUM on a Rem stainless action with a custom 27" flutted barrel w/muzzle brake. I love this gun! It pushes 165 Scirocco bullets 3400 fps. It is not a light rifle but the accuracy and long range ability more than offset the added weight and size. I shoot alot better with this than with a short light rifle.I plan to experiment with the Barnes triple shock bullets.
 
I also have the 300 REM ultra mag. I love it, It kicks pretty hard from the bench though. And the bulluets aint cheep. But I would recomend one for anybody planing on taking long shots at large game.

Knifeboy.
 
You guys have made some compelling points for the rem ultra mag, but I think I've decided on the Sako 300 WSM. My biggest concern with the WSM is whether or not the shorter bullet will chamber as readily as the larger magnums. Has anyone had a problem with this using the Sako S/S?

T
 
TOOELE,
I have had nothing but great results with the Sako S/S. I don't think that you went wrong w/ the 300 short.It will chamber just fine. Tha ultra mag is a matter of my personal preference, and how often will a serious hunter not be able to get closer than 500 yards for a shot. I know that it will happen, but not that often. You will love the Sako.
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