270 Bullets

ridgerunner

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A quick question for all you out there that know more about bullets than I do. What are some recommendations for 270 bullets? I will primarily be hunting deer but may also hunt elk with this gun. It seems to me that the bullet choices are overwhelming, I just want something that is accurate, hits hard and does the job.
 
I really love the 140 gr Nosler Accubond that Federal loads for the .270 WSM. The Accubond has a great BC and is really tough for game like elk. My son shot 4 deer sized antelope in Africa with it last summer and the effects were awesome. All one shot-straight down kills. The recovered bullet from his impala showed a perfect mushroom and great weight retention. Tha results have been the same on deer and hogs back at home. Should do the same in your .270.
 
My cousin has taken 6 bulls, all w/his 270.(We never have been able to talk him into a 300 mag LOL) All were shot w/150gr Nosler Partition. All were one shot kills. We don't tease him anymore about his 270!
I agree w/duggaboy on the 140 though. Good bullet from all I've heard.

foxtrot4elk
 
i will second the accubonds and the partions both are very good bullets
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140 partition I agree is a good one for deer with a 270... 140 has the best ballistics for the .270
 
My .270 WSM likes the Accubonds as well. No game taken yet but it shoots good groups with H4831 SC. I did shoot a mulie with an Accubond in a .300 WSM and the bullet did its job.
 
I use 130 grain hornady interbonds and they have worked great on mule deer at 400 yards. The sierras we shot were the most accurate out of my gun but i dont think they worked as good as the hornadys.
 
I reload the 130 grain Hornady and they seem to group good and perform well on both deer and elk. My dad even took an elk in the hip this year and busted it right down, so it seems to have enough punch.

It's more about putting it where you want it and then bullet selection becomes less critical.
 
m1fan heres one you can try in that 270wsm its 68.5 grs of h1000 wlrm 140 accubond - great round !
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I think the best bullet is the one that shoots well out of your rifle. Doesn't make any difference how well the bullet can perform if it does hit where it's aimed. I've used the 130 gr Hornady SST and Nosler Ballistic Tip with excellent results on deer and pronghorn. All one shot kills at 161 to 397 yds. I wouldn't recommend a rapid expansion bullet like these for elk. My rifles like the 140 gr Trophy Bonded Bearclaw for a penetration type bullet. And, if your rifle will shoot it, you can't do better than a Nosler Partition on elk.
 
Here's an article I wrote several years ago. If you haven't seen it you might find it interesting?

EXPANSION VS. PENETRATION
Know Your Philosophy
Behind Bullet Selection

Goose bumps covered my neck as I found the bull moose in my scope. My mind was replaying recent conversations concerning bullet selection for my moose hunt. ?You?re going to use what,? exclaimed my inner circle of hunting fanatics! My buddies further mocked me with, ?Why those bullets won't even shoot through a soft cube of butter.? The bull was out about 225 yards, slowly moving through the willows. As I settled in for the shot I began to second guess my decision; had I indeed gone after bear with bird shot? I remember thinking it's a little late at this point, as I squeezed the trigger and felt the recoil.

There?s no question about it, bullet design drives bullet performance. However, when we select a bullet what are we selecting for, especially in a hunting bullet? One of the most obvious is that of accuracy. It doesn't matter what kind of bullet you're shooting if you can't hit anything with it. However, this discussion will focus on bullet dynamics at the point of impact and different philosophies behind bullet selection.

What are hunters trying to do when they shoot an animal (besides kill it)? Most aren't exactly sure. How, then, do we select the ammunition we buy or reload? Well, that's just what we've always shot or someone told us that's what we should shoot. There are two schools of thought: bust them down with maximum penetration; and maximize damage to the vital organs with rapid expansion.

There are two basic types of hunting bullet design (granted both feature a vast array of styles). In very general terms, some bullets are designed to maximize penetration, while others are designed for rapid expansion. This discussion will focus on comparisons between the design and performance of Nosler Partition and Nosler Ballistic Tip Bullets, based on my experience. Obviously, individual results will vary depending on caliber, powder, bullet velocity, bullet weight, distance of impact, density of object impacted, etc... Everyone has their own preference and certain things that work good for them. If so that's great, if not this article is intended to make you think about your philosophy behind bullet selection. While this article focuses on Nosler Bullets, inferences can be drawn on other bullets based on their design.

Most hunters I know hold behind the front shoulder, hoping to get a lethal heart/lung shot. In general, a bullet designed to maximize penetration undergoes very little expansion when shooting an animal through the lungs, because there is relatively little resistence. Hence, damage to the vital organs and consequently the transfer of energy from the bullet to the animal is very low compared to a bullet designed to optimize expansion.

The Nosler Partition Bullet is designed to penetrate. The Partition features a fully tapered jacket with a thin jacket mouth designed for controlled mushrooming characteristics at ?virtually? all impact velocities (we'll discuss this later). The base consists of a protected core designed to resist deformation, providing maximum driving force.

On the other hand, the Nosler Ballistic Tip Bullet is designed to maximize expansion. The Ballistic Tip consists of a polycarbonate-tipped plug in a ?mild? hollow-point design. Upon impact the polycarbonate tip separates from the bullet triggering rapid expansion. The solid base of the bullet with its thicker jacket is designed to keep driving the mushrooming top portion, while providing continued rapid expansion.

When I first started reloading, I fell in love with the way the Nosler Partition Bullets shot. I was shooting 0.5 inch groups from my .300 Winchester Magnum, with 200 grain Nosler Partitions in front of 74.0 grains of IMR 7828 powder, in Remington Brass. Likewise, I was getting 0.75 inch groups from my .243 Winchester, using 100 grain Nosler Partitions with 42.0 grains of IMR 7828, in Remington Brass. They grouped better than any other loads I tested and I could shoot through a tank with them. Now that I had the ?perfect load? I was ready to do some hunting! The next several years would prove to be quite frustrating with respect to bullet performance.

Later that fall I took a blacktail buck using 100 grain Nosler Partitions in the .243 Winchester. The first shot was only about ten feet, followed by several more on out to around 100 yards. The buck just wouldn't go down. Upon finally getting the buck and inspecting the shots, I found four bullet holes behind the front shoulder that I could cover with a clenched up fist. The entrance wounds were the diameter of the bullet and exit wounds the same. After inspecting the organs, all were intact with little bullet holes through them. All the bullets had passed cleanly through the chest cavity with basically no bullet expansion, consequently there was little damage to the organs or transfer of energy to deer.

The next year, my partner, using my .300 Winchester Magnum loaded with 200 grain Nosler Partitions shot a cow elk at around 300 yards. After field dressing and skinning the cow, we found that the bullet had passed down through the left shoulder (missing the bone), through the middle of the heart and out the right armpit (it was a very steep downhill shot). The entrance wound, the hole through the heart and the exit wound were all the same size. Again, no expansion and very little tissue/organ trauma aside from hitting the heart. If he had missed the vitals, that elk wouldn't have even slowed down.

The following year I shot a mule deer in Idaho with the same load. At about 100 yards I punched a small hole through both lungs and he still went a ways before going down. Again, closer inspection revealed little tissue damage and no expansion. Though I was still killing animals, I was not happy with the speed or efficiency at which those animals were going down. Back to the drawing board I went, again in search of the ?perfect load?. I didn't want one load for brush-hunting blacktails, another for open-country mule deer and yet another for elk hunting. Rather I wanted to find one load that would adequately handle them all. Mission impossible according to many.

That got me asking myself the question, ?What is my philosophy behind bullet selection?? Well, I had wanted a load that would blow through an animal no matter where I hit them. In effect I was selecting for a load that would maximize bullet penetration - and all loaded up in shiny cases those 200 grain Partitions even looked ?bad to the bone?! Only one problem, I was getting way too much penetration. Not only was a I losing the tissue trauma associated with rapid expansion, but also the shock factor from energy transfer. And since I wasn?t trying to shoot animals in the front shoulder or the back ham, I felt perhaps the philosophy of expansion might better suit my hunting style.

With that I spent the next summer working on a new load. While not nearly as happy with the grouping, I settled on 70.0 grains of IMR 4831, pushing 180 grain Nosler Ballistic Tips, in .300 Winchester Magnum. Not sure what to expect from this load I spent the next few years critiquing its field performance. The following examples all use this load.

The first season I made a poor shot on a running whitetail and broke the femur in the ham, stopping the deer immediately (next time I'll hold ten feet in front of a whitetail instead of only five). I rapidly finished off the deer with a double lung shot, dropping it instantly. Even with the bad shot, the Ballistic Tips had no problem busting down a deer. Likewise, upon removing the lungs, it looked like someone had thrown them in a blender and the exit hole was about an inch in diameter.

In 1997 I killed a mule deer in Oregon. He was running away from me and stopped on the edge of a drop-off. I had one shot, at about 75 yards, down through the back from above. At the shot the buck folded. The bullet had not only broken the back, but also penetrated on into the chest cavity, destroying the heart and lungs. The bullet didn't exit, therefore he had to absorb all the energy from the shot, as well.

That same year back in Washington I also took a mule deer buck during a rut hunt. This buck was dogging some does and when they dropped over the ridge, my wife and I made our move. As we peeked out around the sage brush, the buck was sniffing a doe at just under 25 yards. I fired a warning shot to give the buck a chance, but he didn't heed the warning (my wife thinks I just missed). My second shot took him through the jugular, slamming him to the ground. The bullet shot clear through with an exit hole of almost an inch.

That same year my brother-in-law also killed a blacktail in western Washington. At 125 yards he took the buck through the neck. Though the bullet shot clear through, the exit hole was quite extensive. The bullet missed the neck bones, however the energy from the shot alone broke its neck.

In 1998 my brother-in-law took a nice eastern Oregon mule deer. After a long stalk he shot the buck in its bed, almost straight down, at point-blank range. The buck never even moved. The shot shattered the spine and destroyed the bucks vitals on impact, stopping in the chest cavity. Again, the buck had to take 100 percent of the energy from that bullet.

Last year I drew a once-in-a-lifetime moose tag in Washington. Not wanting to waste it I put all other hunting aside for that year. Because I had a valid deer tag for the same unit I decided I would take a deer during my moose hunt if the occasion arose, and on November 19th it did. At less than 100 yards, I shot a nice white-tailed buck quartering sharply away. At the shot the deer hit the ground and lunged forward about 15 feet where he came to rest.

Examination of the shot showed three broken ribs at the entrance wound, a shredded liver, an exploded heart, bruised lungs, a busted opposite shoulder and the bullet just inside the hide on the far side. That deer was dead when he hit the ground, even though he lunged another 15 feet. After retrieving the bullet I was able to weigh it to look at bullet mass retention. Of the 180 grains, it still maintained 110 grains after going through all that. That's over 60 percent of the original bullet mass.

Now getting back to the moose. By the time I recovered from the shot and chambered round number two, the bull had turned 90 degrees, taken one step and went down. Boy are my buddies going to hear about this! At approximately 225 yards, I had just dropped my bull with one shot. Granted no one said moose were hard to kill, but most said they were hard to put down.

Still somewhat skeptical as I field dressed the bull, I found that the bullet had broke a rib going in, shredded the liver, destroyed the left lung and stopped at the hide on the far side. The bull went down within a few seconds of the shot. The recovered bullet from the moose had a bullet mass retention of 106 grains, nearly 60 percent of its original mass. Several thought I might have a tough time even getting penetration to the vitals using Ballistic Tips, let alone full penetration of the chest cavity.

On the other hand, Nosler Partitions are quite arguably considered one of the world?s premier big game bullets on the market today. They are touted as a high performance bullet, providing superior mushrooming characteristics at all impact velocities. While I have no doubt that under the right circumstances Partitions are every bit as ?bad-to-the-bone? as their claim, I have not experienced this ?controlled? performance for myself. For some reason they tend to perform a little different for everybody, with one person getting awesome performance and the next getting no performance, even with the same caliber.

Personally, I have had a tough time getting the Partitions to expand at all, even at close range. If a person were able to get the velocities high enough, they would probably perform much better. Likewise, a direct hit to any of the major bones in an animal would likely induce some major expansion. However, your average big game cartridge seldom breaks 3000 fps and most hunters aren't typically trying to shoot game in the large bones. And consequently, this lack of expansion drastically reduces tissue trauma and energy transfer (shock effect) on a typical heart/lung shot.

Some would argue that shooting Partitions is just good insurance for off-placed shots. There?s no question that Partitions will take a licking and keep on ticking, however for shots that are right on target, the Partitions haven't performed nearly as well for me. And while Partitions are as solid as they come, there isn't much wiggle room when it comes to performance. If everything isn't just right, they tend to hold their shape and penetrate too well. I found the Ballistic Tips to be much more forgiving, especially with off-placed shots (i.e. a marginal heart/lung shot is often more than adequate with an expanding bullet because of the increased path of destruction and energy transfer).

Obviously one could argue that my examples of neck and back shots probably don't detract from the Partition?s performance. I am fully confident that the Partitions would have performed very well under those circumstances, as well. However, those examples do bolster the case for Ballistic Tip Bullets. Whether energy transfer or destruction of vitals, the deer shot through the back dropped in their tracks and the deer shot in the neck were slammed to the ground, suggesting that the Ballistic Tips are very good at what they were designed to do (tissue trauma and energy transfer).

Others would argue that Ballistic Tips are a great hunting load for small game like deer, but not adequate for compromising shots on larger game. For starters, compromising shots probably shouldn't be taken, even if your load will blow the leg off an elephant. Part of hunting is not only shot selection, but just as important, shot placement. If you consistently take good shots and can put the bullet in the heart/lung area, compromising shots aren't even an issue. And if you don't take good shots or can't put the bullet where you want it, then you really have no business being out there in the first place.

The 180 grain Ballistic Tip traveling at 2900 fps (muzzle velocity) packs 2,968 foot pounds of energy at 100 yards. The 180 grain Partition traveling at 2900 fps carries 2,920 foot pounds of energy at 100 yards. And while it may not blow through both shoulders like the Partition, ounce for ounce the Ballistic Tip packs more energy, especially at longer distances because it has a better ballistic coefficient. Likewise, the Ballistic Tip uses that energy much differently (i.e. to expand the bullet instead of drive it).

So the question remains. Am I trying to shoot through both shoulders or take out the vitals? The answer to that question may change your philosophy on bullet selection, I know it did mine. And for me the results have been quicker and more efficient kills. Whatever your philosophy, if you've found a combination that works, stick with it. If not, don't be afraid to experiment and try some new approaches. And above all, spend some time practicing! There?s nothing like a little confidence in your shooting ability to top off even the most proficient load.
 
Any premium bullet in the 140 grain range that shoots well out of your gun will do well. However, I personally would not shoot an elk with a 270 past about 250 yards. 400 yards on deer.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
I shoot factory loaded 140 hornady Boat tail spire points with the light mag load. i killed a small cow elk with this load two years ago at 442 yards.
 
Sorry, don't know anything about the Accubonds, although you should be able to read their literature and get a feel for it's design. In general they should still fall into one of those categories (penetration or expansion).

Good Luck!
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-13-05 AT 08:11PM (MST)[p]muledeercrazy, Some of your philosophy is way out there. It seems from your article all of your shots with the BT are safe ones i.e. in the spine, jugular, lung, etc. And a shot at a running deer is marginal at best, and shouldn't be attempted. I have pushed BTs way past 2900 fps. Even in the cartridge I use, the BT cannot perform if asked to deal with heavy bone and hide. For antelope and small whitetail it may work great. The BT has its place. BIG game hunting isn't it. The Partition has proven itself since the 40's and the Accubond is up and running away. Two bullets better suited for what most hunters do. mtmuley As an aside, every Accubond I have put into an animal has penetrated all the way through exept for 2. And those were longer shots. Retension was around 70 percent.
 
Hornady interlock give you the best compromise between expansion and penetration. They aren't overpriced either. I've shot animals with partitions, barnesx, Aframes, Trophy Bonded, and I now use the Interlocked because they perform better and cost half as much on Deer and elk. Now the other bullets might be a better choice for larger animals. All animals I have harvested have been with a .300 win mag.
 
Barnes X, Barnes Triple X, Barnes Triple XLC. Best I've seen. I used to be a partition and ballistic tip guy before I met these. Call Safari Arms Custom at 512-826-7516 and ask him to get you some data. The BC on these bullets are awesome and my field tests have most of the time resulted in beautifully expanded bullets just under the hide at a variety of ranges. Good luck. Jim in NM
 
I like the 140 Barnes X I'm shooting in my 270 Weatherby mag. I've hit bone with .270 win and partition bullet and the destruction is impressive.
 
I like what sagebrush said. Shoot what your gun shoots well. Try different bullets, loads, brands, etc. My .270 win shoots 150gr. Remington core-lokts the best. My next choice would be the 140gr. Nosler Partitions.

Lien2
 
I have shot the hornady interlok 140gr. for years in my .270 killed everything from blacktails to alaskan bull moose. Never had a problem worked much better then any of the ballistic tip type bullets I tried. Very accurate in my guns too. Recovered many of the bullets just inside the hide on oppisite side of shot, perfect performance double in diameter and about 80% weight retention. I would highly recommend these bullets.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-16-05 AT 08:56PM (MST)[p]My only big game rifle is a 270; a Rem. BDL. For deer, I like the Federal 130 Grn. TBBC. This bullet packs a punch and has almost 100% weight ret. I had a lucky shot at a running buck in Wyoming, about 150-200 yards. The buck was angling away from me, and my bullet hit him above the hindquarter, traveled along the spine, busted his shoulder, and stopped before exiting his chest. I dug out a perfect mushroomed ball, ending at the base of the bullet. However, If you hit a buck at a short distance, it may punch right through, and the deer could possibly run a while before dropping. I would use this same bullet for elk in 150 grn. Federal is now using speer grand slam bullets in their general line, Powershock. A hell of a flat shooting/performance bullet for $12.50 a box. I don't work for Federal, over the years these shells seem to work best.
 
I suggest the following:

* 150-gr. Ballistic Tips
* 130-gr. Solid Base
* 140-gr. AccuBonds

All made by Nosler.
 
I guess I'll put in my 2 cents worth. I've shot several deer with Hornadys 140 Gr. B.T.S.P.. They have performed good up untill I tried to shoot a deer between the hams. It did the job, but broke apart into tiny little pieces by the time it reached the heart and lungsI'm now using Swift A-frames with 57 Grs. of H4831 cronographed at 2925 fps.. This load shoots 3/4"-1" groops and they hold togather when they hit bone. The Swifts are more expensive but in my rifle they shoot better than nosler partitions or barns X bullets. Hope this helps some.


hntnnut
 
You can use factory 140-gr. AccuBonds from Winchester or Federal on deer and elk.

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