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I know Utah is on the mind of everyone right now, but for those of us unlucky buggers who aren't headed that way this fall, whats up with Arizona? Anyone discouraged and not going to put in now that you have to front the cash. As one of those unwanted non-residents, which seems to be more popular unit 13B or 12A. I thought it was interesting that 13 had more apps last year than the Kiabab.
 
Bone I think Az residents for the most part have no problem with nonres hunting in their state. In my experience the Az residents are friendly and helpful to their fellow hunters be he/her resident or nonresident. I think the issue concerns their concern, after making sacrifices to manage game for quality that they be entitled to put reasonable restrictions on the nonresidents numbers hunting any given year. Yes the USO issue has created turmoil that will take time to get settled but I do not think it does us hunters any good to uneccessarily become divided over such matters. I do not think the changes to this year's Az. regs is that substantial. And I still think Az. is one of the best out of state hunting values around, especially when you consider the quality. I for one am thankful for all the Az. hunters have done for creating an opportunity to have a chance for a hunt of a lifetime in their state. I do not consider them the enemy. They just want to be allowed to have control to continue with their sucessful game management, which includes placing reasonalbe restrictions on nonres. And yes I will continue to try and draw a dream tag for Az.
 
Why would ANYBODY be discouraged to front the money up front? If you can afford the hunt in July (when the results are posted), you can afford the hunt in June when you put in.
 
Steeler: there are about 9 million reasons to want to hold onto your money as long as you can........I have two sons and my family put up money for 4 people. Right now I cannot afford to front that money now based on some baseball commitments and school financial committments that in the past would not have conflicted with hunting but now does because all fees are up front in AZ.......not disagreeing with up front fees, but it changes my financial situation when you consider putting in for 4 people for Sheep, Elk, Deer, Antelope.....add the cost up yourself............... Thanks, Allen Taylor......
 
I dont understand why people are upset about up front money. It used to be that way until the stupid visa card thing came out.
 
I don't mind the up front money thing, as a resident it isn't that bad if you are just putting in for yourself. I feel bad for those paying for several people, especially if it is your son or daughter. Of course you are going to put the money up. It is ridiculous that they require this up front money especially since the Advent of the credit card there is no need.

T
 
You can always take an advance on the credit card, pay the interest for a couple of months and then pay the thing off with your refunds from all the unsuccesful draws. It'll be my luck to draw everything one of these days!
 
The money up front is just like money in the bank until you draw anyway. So whats the big deal, if you can't afford the money up front you probally can't afford the trip. I personally like the money up front because it makes for better odds for the animals like moose,goats,sheep and antelope. I live in Oregon and our odds went in the toilet when they took away the up front cost. Now everyone puts in for everything because it's cheap, not because they have a lifelong desire to get a sheep or antelope tag. For instance a few years back a woman drew a sheep tag and she was 9 months pregnant during the hunt. She had no buisness even appling, but her husband put her in because it was cheap. Another one: a 13 year old kid drew a sheep tag like 5 years ago because his dad put him in. Well when they realized what a speep tag was worth they were all hot to try to sell it, but tags are not transferrable in Oregon. Should these people be the ones holding these coveted tags. If you really have a desire to hunt these species you will save the money to apply. This money up front ensures that the people getting these tags deserve it and it's not just somthing to kill!
My a$$ puckers up every year at this time sending all this money everywhere only to get rejection notices. But I love this sport and the animals I hunt, so I SAVE! And mabye I'll get that sheep someday.
 
Most of you guys are missing the point......nobody said they would quit hunting or couldnt afford hunting.....I personally said it makes it a bit tougher by having to front the cash, but I voted for up front fees.....no bitching here, just pointing out that it is a bit tougher on the family budget.....most of the responders were not faced with the 9th circuit issue, the continued lawsuits etc.....that AZ faced......when you cannot even draw tags plus need to put out alot of money hoping to compete (with the same draw odds as the rest of the country) it makes it real hard for a family to continue to find opportunities for youngsters.....our future as hunters will depend on how we grow future hunters and with the opportunities going away and costs skyrocketing, we all need to look for ways to increase the hunting ranks equitably or our sport will be only for the rich ........... Thanks, Allen Taylor......
 
I don't know if your guys are understanding the money up front issue, not only do you have to pay the money up front but you can't even apply unless you purchase a license. So, if i want to put in i have to buy a license and i still may not draw, and even if i don't draw I don't get refunded that money. 113.50 is a lot of money for me as a non res.
 
The system kinda seperates the men from the boys. If the whole process was free your chances of getting a tag would be nil.
 
pony is right, you do NOT get that 113. back, so if it takes 10 years to draw out, you do the math, and if you cant, then i will tell you, you might as well just save the money and buy a guided private land hunt.

it is not a problem of coming up with the money up front, it is losing 113. dollars each year for NOTHING!
 
that's right, it is for nothing because your odds are slim to none. So don't put in. A guided hunt sounds like a better choice for you.
 
Just wait till next year boys the fees are going thru the roof. Out of state lic I think are $350 or something like that. Early rifle bull tags I believe will be $3200 It will make it very interesting.
 
you guys that are complaining about having to buy the license...last year if you wanted the bonus point (which im sure you all did) you had to by the license anyway? what has changed? you put the money upfront on the tags...that has changed, but as far as the license goes, if you want that bonus point if you dont draw...you had to buy the license anyway.
az79
 
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Those are the CAPS and not necessarily the proposed prices. They will be increased substantially next season, but not immediately to the proposed cap price.

BOHNTR )))---------->
 
Guys:

All this hoopla about the tag prices. Heck, I didn't see any complaining about the fees at Disneyworld! The man is right, PRIORITIES!

And next year, there won't be a major increase in tag/license fees in Arizona.

Yes, early rifle bull tags and deer tags north of the ditch (Grand Canyon for you non-residents) will go up some, but right now archery bull elk tags are not designated as a premium tag (that's wrong in my opinion, for more big bulls are taken on archery hunts than rifle hunts, and look at the hunt success for AZ archery hunts)

Anyway, the point that before all this Internet crap came about was you had to put money up front is right. The only difference is you didn't have to purchase a license, but anyone in their right mind who knows how the bonus point game is played knew you had to buy the license to stay in the game.

I had a guy from Alabama about 10 years ago you absolutely refused to buy a license even though he applied faithfully for permits. Now, 10 years later, he has no bonus points, has never drawn an AZ tag, and unless he gets real,real lucky, probably never will.

If he had participated in what I call the "Arizona blackmail system", (hey I didn't create it, just work through it) he would have been sittin pretty this year with 10 bonus points for elk, antleope and sheep. (deer didn't come on line until 1999 I think).

You fellas also know I'm sure, that with the draw open this year, (no caps/quotas for elk or deer tags, only cap is for sheep, and that's 15%, antelope has always been equal) that you have a chance at 100% of the tags, not just the 10-15% you were previously subjected too?

And if you look at the those who have maximum bonus points in AZ for deer and elk, you will see it is non-residents who have more than residents. That means, I believe, that NR are gonna absolutely smoke the draw this year on those two species.

Oh yes, there is more! This year you have a loyalty bonus point for that have been in the system since 2001, and there is the 20% pass plan that says those with maximum bonus points for each species (der,elk antelope)get into special draws for 20% of the tags that are offered BEFORE the regular draw!

That's the long and short of it this year fellas. Honest.

If you're a NR you got to love it. As an Arizona resident, I don't care for it, but I know next year there will be some different rules. With the new law on state's right to manage and limit NR hunters being signed by President Bush, well boys, starting in 2006 it will get harder to get an Arizona tag!

Don Martin
 
i applied for 12 a west with 1 bonus point and got a tag so i'm glad more people put in for unit 13. my wife had 3 bonus points on a differant ticket and also got drawn for 12 a west.
 
10 years of $113 licenses for points does not equal a land owner guided elk hunt anywhere. Try about 40 or 50 years at that price....

As a non-res. I don't mind investing my hunting funds into the wildlife programs of AZ, NV and other states in exchange for a chance at a tag or a point... I'm not a tax payer in that state and I just look at it as my "donation" to their system to take care of that trophy I'm coming to hunt one of these days...
 
well its about time some one understands. in order to take you have to give. every thing cost money. hunting is no diferent if this is somthing you like to do and have to pay money. and it gose to preswrving the next years hunts. so you have another opertnity to draw a tag. thats just the cycle. the people that complain are just takers
 

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