White G Series .504 Whitetail info needed

fallguy

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I bought a pair of these used. I am getting around to doing some shooting and would like some input from those with experience with these guns. The guns will be used for elk in Colorado - you know the drill - no scopes, pelletized powder or sabots. I did mount a scope on the gun that I will play with first just to be better able to see the accuracy potential. Any suggestions on the stuff below is appreciated.

Powder - what kind and how much per load?

Caps

Bullets - I have No Excuses (460 gr. .503), Hornady FPB and White Power Punch of various weights.

Swab between shots?

Best peep sight that fits without modification?

Best flash hole size for loose powder and caps? The flash hole in one of the guns is about 2x the size as the other one - don't know if the previous owner opened it up or if you could buy various sizes. I don't have any drills small enough to measure how big they are.

Thanks
 
I am somewhat of a late-comer to the Whites; I started somewhere in late 2000, so there is a whole lot I don't know. What I do know is below, based on my own experiences and experimentation.

Powder - what kind and how much per load?

I shoot 2F Hodgdon Triple Seven and use 100 grains volume equivalent per load. I have done that with everything from a 430 grain all the way up to 600 grain bullets. It shoots very well, and cleans up with Windex, so the wife doesn't get upset with stinking cleaners in the house!

Caps

Find RWS 10.75s. They fit the tightest and I believe they are a bit hotter than the CCIs. CCIs will occasionally not fire; not so with the RWS.

Bullets - I have No Excuses (460 gr. .503), Hornady FPB and White Power Punch of various weights.

The No Excuses are very popular, and shoot quite well, but it is hard to beat Doc's original designed Power Punches. The only problem is I don't think the Power Punches are available any more. Also, Dan at Bullshop makes a heck of a bullet for the Whites. He posts on the castboolits forums from time to time. Look up "Bullshop" on that site...

Swab between shots?

Not necessary. The Whites are specifically designed for repetitive shooting without swabbing...

Best peep sight that fits without modification?

Both the Lyman 57 SME or SMET (T stands for "target") and the Williams WGRS will mount without issue; I have SME/SMETs on a couple of my Whites, and they work well. (Just don't leave the target peep in your rifle when you go to the mountains... ask Blank what happened. I did it, and it cost me a buck!)

Best flash hole size for loose powder and caps? The flash hole in one of the guns is about 2x the size as the other one - don't know if the previous owner opened it up or if you could buy various sizes. I don't have any drills small enough to measure how big they are.

Use the breach plug designed for the #11 cap. That is what the Whites were designed around... Sounds like one rifle was shot to the point of burning out the breach plug. It happens, and talking to Doc, it will open up your groups. You might try getting new breach plugs from this guy: try "[email protected] and see if he can help...


They are very good rifles, and should outlast you if you take care of them.

Both Blank and Marley are good sources of information re Whites. Both post on here, as I am sure you know.

Good luck!
 
Thanks for all the info. Do you know who carries the RWS 10.75's. Sportsman's Warehouse does not (I just called). Cabelas and Basspro don't show them on their websites either. Thanks.
 
The 10.75s may be hard to find. I think Natchez Shooters Supply used to carry them, and so did Midsouth. But they will get pricey if you have to order them on line because you have to pay the hazmat fee. But buy once, cry once. They really are the best around, and the best costs more.

I hope you can find some. I have a lot of CCIs that are just flat going to go unused because I don't trust them to go off.
 
The breech plugs I have are entirely different. Can anyone help me out as to which one of these is better suited for Pyrodex and #11 percussion caps?
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You said you have two rifles, and I guess I'd have to ask about the age differences and serial numbers.

I shoot three separate White Whitetails, for different applications in different states. One scoped, one open sights, and one with fiber optic fire sights for dark timber elk. I shoot the same 100 gr load of Pyrodex "P" for each bullet combination with RWS caps(385 or 460 gr full caliber conicals, or a sabot with 300 gr Barnes or Hornady XTPs). 400 gr hard cast flat nose LBT's in a sabot will shoot thru an elk lengthways with this amount of powder.

Here's a picture of all three breech plugs, and you can see they are the same style but widely different serial numbers. Rifle #1907 was my very first White, and I shot out the plug after about 5000 rounds and replaced it a few years ago; it still looks new. #2668 was my next and it now has about 3000 rounds on it now. You can see a lot of enlargement on the hole. The #6326 gun is the newest but was shot with Triple 7 and is quite pitted. They all shoot with the same accuracy, even tho they have very different flash holes.

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The striker spring on a Whitetail is so strong that you will start to get deformation on the nipple after a few rounds. I make sure to keep them true, and they are equal to a #47 drill bit (or about .078"). I think this is one key to consistent ignition. The newer plugs are still about .046" (#56 bit) on the chamber side, but the shot out one is right at .063" now (#53 bit). While it does not seem to affect how it shoots, you will get a lot of blowback and dirty smoke on your scope tube with this one. A piece of painters masking tape on the bottom of the scope really helps keep it clean. I hardly ever shoot a muzzleloader without safety glasses on, and this is another reason why.

Good luck, and keep on burning powder. You will love shooting your Whites.
 
In a word, no. All of us that own Whites have our favorites, but my experience is that all of them are very accurate. Most guys like the Super 91s or the Whitetails, but any of them will shoot up a storm. The only one to really be aware of is the Lightning, because the stocks are birch and will split with heavy loads; the fix is to drill a hole through the wrist (stopping just short of where it ends) and epoxy a piece of all thread into it. That fixes the problem...
 
Is this White muzzle loading rifle still in manufacture? Can you purchase a brand new White rifle from a store? Did the company quit years ago? Any and all information would be beneficial to the many of us who do not know the story about the White black powder rifles. Cow Tag
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-17-14 AT 05:32AM (MST)[p]The company went out of business quite a few years ago. There are still some new ones that can be bought from individuals (not stores), but they are few and far between. And there are of course used ones that can be bought.

For more info, go to http://whitemuzzleloading.com/

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Texas Hunter, I listen when you speak on the subject of muzzle loader rifles and hunting. Why is it that many consider the White rifles superior to other name brands? Folks say they are more accurate. An opinion statement from you would be beneficial to the UN-informed here on the muzzle loading forum of MM.
 
What attracted me to them is that everyone who owned one said they shoot conicals better than any other rifle. Since I primarily hunt Colorado, that got my attention. Why are they better? In a word: craftsmanship. He built them to tight tolerances that production rifles can't match and no cheap parts. So if he sells you a 0.504 rifle, the bore is 0.504.

All of that info was obtained on hunting forums, but as they say, the proof is in the pudding. I have never shot another muzzleloader accurate enough to have shots basically touching at 50 yards with open sights.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
Texas Hunter, thanks again for your pertinent information. Appreciate you taking the time to educate the masses. Sincerely, Cow Tag
 
Cowtag, I cast my own conicals for my Whites. I have several, and to a rifle they are all probably more accurate than I am. I am no longer able to hunt the mountains, but prior to my last trip out West, I prepared by practicing at 100 yards with peeps. Sitting cross-legged on the range and shooting offhand, I was consistently able to keep five shots in a 2" circle at 100 yards.

Years ago my son took my .451 Super 91 and put three shots (the Lyman Whitwoth bullet...) into a group you could cover with a quarter at 100 yards. Granted, that was with a scope, but there are centerfires out there that won't do that. And I have put three 600- grain bullets into a 1" circle at 100 yards out of a White Lightning I no longer own; that was with a Lyman 57 SME peep sight.

Above that, they are designed for multiple shots without swabbing or cleaning. The barrel is designed for what Doc called "slip fit" bullets: the rifle is designed to literally push the bullet down with two fingers on the ramrod. Although some guys shoot tighter bullets than that (basically engraving them during the loading process) the rifles will just flat shoot lights out with the original White bullets, conicals from No Excuses, or from Dan at Bullshop.

I own over a dozen of them in different models and in three calibers: .410, .451, and .504; they seriously have me considering putting up my centerfires for the hunting I do. They are that accurate and that much fun...
 
The only way to get a White muzzle loader rifle is to purchase one in used condition or to make contact with Doc White personally? Is that correct? Looks like another company would pick up his production methods and produce good rifles. Of course, I understand the business involved here but from the way you hunters are endorsing the White rifles it looks like the good old American Way would come into play here. My two black powder rifles are only "medium accurate at 100 big steps" and I am getting older every year. A 'new to me' rifle is always good for a person.
 
To the best of my knowledge, Doc has no more Whites. I believe he has completely divorced himself from the White Rifles business, and the name, but I could be very wrong...
 
LAST EDITED ON Jul-20-14 AT 08:54AM (MST)[p]Doc gets used ones and refurbishes them for resale. Check his website and email him. There probably are still a few new in box guns, but not from a company, from individuals. About 18 months ago,I bought a new one a guy had and had been sitting is a closet for a few years

Also replacement parts are still available, just ordered some, but not from him. Replacement parts (if he has them) are available from Steve Brown at [email protected]

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)
 
I know Doc does sell some refurbished Whites on Gunbroker occasionally. I've see a few in the last 6-8 months. BTW, you can still order the PowerPunch bullets from Steve at the email noted previously but I will add that it may take a few weeks for the whole transaction. I bought some earlier this year and they took a bit of work to redo the lube job fyi as some had 50% of the lube missing.
 
I have a White G Series White Tail
504 Calibers
Stock is Hardwood Laminate
Stainless Barrel

Never Hunted with it, only shot it at a fireing range.

It is like brand new, been sitting in my closet for years.
Have slugs, quick loaders and lots of extras as well.

I would like to sell it.

Thanks
Larry
 
Yes its not hear yet bit I am a white licker I have 7they all shot. but o like my thunder bolt the best
Can't go wrong with a white
 

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