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Anyone out there had any experience with the Nikon 80-400MM f/4.5-5.6D ED VR Zoom lens? Just bought a Nikon D50 and looking for a long lense to photo wildlife.

Thanks in advance,
Jim Parker
 
yes, I've had one since they were introduced about 5 years ago. I have shot over 25,000 shots with it. I'd buy it all over again and I'll buy a new one as soon as this one takes a puke.

For the money, there's not a lens out there anywhere that can compete. If youre rich, and like to pack a lot of weight, optically the 200-400 f/4 afs vr would be a better choice, it's $4K.

Another option for you is to buy the 70-200 2.8 vr and add a 1.7 or 2.0 tele extender. Youre looking at about $2k. The sigma 120-300 may also work for you, it's about $1800 bucks but it's a 2.8, heavy as hell, but optically its similar to the 80-400.

I use all three but the 80-400 gets more use for big game because it's portable, lightweight, has VR and is relatively inexpensive.

You wont be dissapointed, but it now!

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MERRY CHRISTMAS

"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
Tony,

That is what I was looking for.....placing my order today. Now I just have to learn how take pics the way you do, those are awesome shots!!!

Thanks,
Jim Parker
 
Jim, youre welcome. I'd like to tell you there's an easy way to take quality photos but there is not. sure, technology has helped make things A LOT eisier for many to enjoy photography, but it's also increased the complexity.

You now have the tools to take good photos, now go out and practice. I average 200-500 shots per week when I'm not shooting very much. I shoot everyday, even if its just in the yard. The key to taking consistantly good photos is practice and more practice. It's like throwing a rope. You have to throw it everyday, rain or shine, if you want to get good.

You MUST know your equipment and must shoot a lot! Sure, some guys go out and get a good shot now and then, and that's fun, but it's really a reward when you know that every time you go out you'll come back with some real keepers.

Never be afraid to experement and bend the rules. However, if you stick to the basic rules of photography you will be able to compose and capture a very good number of quality images.

Good luck, and if you ever need any help send me a PM or post here I'll get back to you.

www.tonybynum.photosite.com

"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
Tony, I checked out your photos site & I must say you have some great pictures in there
Justin
 
Thanks justin. It needs updated but I'm sure I'll get to it sooner or later.

Take care,

"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
Tony,

Can you explain to a novice like myself what the difference is from the lens this lens that you use and the Sigma APO 50-500 F4-6.3 EX DG/HSM? Several ahve recommended this lens for my D50 and as of right now, this is what I am saving my money for. Please explain the difference as I am very new to the digital world. Thanks for your help and have a great New Year!
 
LAST EDITED ON Dec-30-05 AT 05:12PM (MST)[p]Why too much to explain in a single thread. However, if you want out of the box satisfaction, the 80-400 will be your best choise. From purley a functionality perspective the 400 is better. These are my opinions based on my experience, nothing more, and nothing less.

If you're shooting chess during midday sun, the 500 will work with a tripod and allow you to be a bit farther away so as not to disturbed the "action."

If you want to chase wildlife around in the hills and through the woods, photograph them in less than stellar light like in the woods, and you want good quality color buy the Nikon. The 200-400 f/4 vr afs to be more presise.

back to your question, the 80-400 has vibration reduction (VR) this will help stop the shaking and allow you three stops over normal. The sigma 500 does not have vr technology. Have you ever tried to look through binoculars? You notice they shake a lot and the higher the magnification the greater the perception of shake - its the same with camera lenses, except the 400vr takes the shake out - its amazing technology and it works. It's not a panacea, and its not fool proof, but it will give you 10x the keepers as the 500 sig.

To make matters worse, people that shoot long zooms, tend to use the entire zoom range except everything under maximum. You will find that for the 500 this just means more shake which requires better and more complicated techniques to shoot.


You will have to shoot the 500 sig from a tripod 90% of the time (ever try chasing mule deer around with 10 lb tripod and 3 pound head with the camera and lens attached to it, I think you get the picture). Ask those guys who use it if they can hand hold the 500mm 6.3 at 125 of a second and get a tack sharp image? Impossible with the 500 sig., possible with the 400.

I know why your asking, it's because of that extra 100mm of magnification isn't it? Well, all the magnification in the world wont help you if you cant hold the damn thing still or you cant get enough shutter speed to capture the action. A 500 6.3 used in full light and shot at say iso 200 will capture decent images, soft at 500 due to inferior glass, but decent nonetheless. You will be hard pressed to get usable images with the 500 in low light, especially if you dont use a VERY good tripod and a VERY good head. I know guys will argue with me, but look at their images. In fairness we are not talking about photographing race cars or the like in full sun. the is a wildlife forum so I'm assuming we are talking about wildlife situations.

Anyway, to me it comes down to the actual usability and convenience of the lenses. Dont miss quote me or accuse me of not knowing what I'm talking about. You can get good images with a 500 sig. But you will have to work harder and you will get far more shots with obvious camera shake than you will with the 400 vr. Just look a the armature (this is not an insult it means non-pro) photos on this site and others taken with the lens most are not sharp because of camera shake, the photographers rarely ever approach the lens capabilities because they cant get fast enough shutter speeds or stop the shake, so the limiting factor is in the technique, and not the lens. If you want this lens for photographing wildlife, you almost always will be shooting in dim light, the worst thing in the universe for a slow 500 6.3!

Thats the basics. As a matter of fact, the 400 has better color, less distortion around the edges when shot wide open or at maximum zoom, the colors or more accurate and should you ever have a problem with it Nikon is a much better company than sigma to deal with. Trust me, I have used most of the sigma pro stuff, I eventually gave up on them. I still have a pile of their lenses including a 100-300 usm f/4 that I've never used. I'm not referring to the 500 4.5 or the 300-800 so again don't anyone misquote me, I'm talking about the long consumer sigma zooms.

This may not be what you expected, but it's real.



"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
Tony,

Sorry I didn't post until now, but I was real busy over the weekend. Thanks for all that info. Some of it blew right over my head, but most was very helpful. The biggest reason I asked, was not because of the extra zoom, but more of the price. I was saving for that other lens, because it came recommended as a very good lens for the price. The lens you use is much more expensive, but as you say, much better. I am no expert photographer and I don't plan on making any money doing this. I just love to take pictures of wildlife and I see how well your pictures, and others, turn out.

Thanks again for all the info. I appreciate it.
 
"I am no expert photographer and I don't plan on making any money doing this. I just love to take pictures of wildlife and I see how well your pictures, and others, turn out."

all the more reason for you to save and buy the 80-400 vr!

"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
So tell me Tony,

If I was to start my "bargin shopper search", where is the best place to start? I was planning on buying that other lens at the end of the month, and I may now change my mind.
 
I'd buy it on ebay.

Buy only U.S. model and buy from a dealer. I have purchased a lot of used gear on ebay but I dont recomend it unless you really know what your getting into.

You can get some abolute great deals on ebay but you have to know what's what.

If you just want to go online and buy one id look at adorama.com or B&H photo video

"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
here's 80-400 vr for $1200 - u.s. model, brand new.

http://cgi.ebay.com/NIKON-AF-80-400...oryZ3343QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

This lens is only $300 bucks more than the sigma 50-500 and a much better peice of equipment for your needs.

"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
Thanks Tony,

I actually saw that one, but was a little concerned that he does not accept Pay Pal. I am not a big Ebay person and I have heard to stay away from sellers who don't accept Pay Pal.

My next big task is convice the wife that we really need this lens and not the other one! Lol...
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-03-06 AT 02:56PM (MST)[p]good luck with your purchase. Find a way to photograph the family or the kids, or the dog, and you might have a bit more luck. Also, try to show her that it's what you need by compairing somthing she really needs. Tell her its like the difference between cosmetics made by mary K, and kmart, they both are makeup but mary k is what she needs to look good.


"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
"but mary k is what she needs to look good."

I don't think I would use those exact words :)(heehee)

Good Luck BML.

Later,
Vince (Colorado)
 
Yea, maybe that's why I dont have a wife anymore - LOL.

"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
You guys crack me up. The wife actually uses the camera just as much if not more than I do. We have several hundred pictures of our two labs, including this one that I took with our 35mm.

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I have plans to buy Swarovski 15x56's and the "other lens", so this lens could put a hurtin on the binos. Choices, choices. Maybe a new bedroom set could sway her. LOL
 
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Tony,

You didn't steer me wrong with that 80-400VR, it's pretty awesome, even in a novice like mine's hands...out walking around playing with the camera, hawk flew over took pic hand held w/VR on at 400mm

Jim Parker
 
Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeeet!

Nice job with the shot! Flying birds are tough!

Did you really think I'd give you a bum steer?



"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-06 AT 02:46PM (MST)[p]Thanks, now just tell that to the guys that think I'm a idiot and a ***** and jerk and all the other terrible things they come up with to call me over in the general hunting forum under(MDF Conservation money, MDF utah, and the MDF/FNAWS national convention posts).

Take care and let me know if you ever need any assistance.

this one's for you rut

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"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-04-06 AT 06:41PM (MST)[p]Anytime, just ask!

Rut, as per your camera case question, here's how I go to the field.

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Thanks

"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
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Tony,

How bout that shed hunting!!

One more question....I see you use a monopod....what make do you use and what would you recommend?

Thanks,
Jim Parker
 
that's a real nice set of sheds for sure! Did you find them?

I dont shed hunt, persay. I just stumbled on that shed while hiking one day and my buddy took advantange of the situation and snapped that shot.

Mono pods are tough. You really have a ton of choices but you should consider two things, 1. your height, and 2. monopod weight. Some pods may not be tall enough. The bogan is just right and I'm 6'0. If it were an inch shorter I'd have to find a taller unit. You can buy a carbon fiber unit, they are over $100 bucks more but you save weight.

this is what I use -
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/product/5535/BO680B/REG/397

I'll buy this one when my bogan quits me
http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bnh/con...s&Q=&sku=170859&is=REG&addedTroughType=search


"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
bogan, or gitzo. the gitzo is more $$ but built better and will last longer than the bogan, if used all the time.

I use the bogan 4 piece, it's about 50-70 bucks.

not much need to buy carbon units as the weight advantage is marginal and cost substantial.

If you got the cash buy the gitzo carbon, it's about $250.



"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
Think I will go with the Bogan, do you attach camera body to the monopod or do you attach the monopod to the "tripod lens collar" that came with the lens, I have heard that collar is pretty flimsy.

Sheds came from northern Arizona....

Thanks,
Jim Parker
 
I responded to your pm with the information you need.

the lens must be attached to the monopod. the collor is weak, but it works. I put arca plates on my gear and use arca swiss or kirk recievers on my ballheads and monopod. . .

Just more $$$$$$$$$$$. . .

"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
I get that question a lot. Its hard to say. I shot it with a 400mm and a digital camera so that's about 6x or 6 power in optical terms. They are cropped so that adds a little too.


"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
Tony,
Thank you for the lesson. I am new to posting on the site but I have been reading for quite a while. The tips from you and others are invaluable. I just purchased a Canon 20D this summer and I am still trying to figure out the digital thing. I used a canon 7e for years.

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Any suggestions would be appreciated

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Yellowstone bull old #10, pretty famous

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It looks like youre getting out and finding animals. I would say that you should try to crop your shots in the camera, even if that means you get closer or buy a longer better quality lens. animals are gennerally shot looking into the frame and rarely centered. That said, do what you like, you must find your own style, I'm just telling you what works most of the time, and does not work, most of the time. Keep in mind, great shots bend most of the rules.

the crop on the doe works, but it looks over processed or somthing, not sure what. Did you crop and manipulate in photoshop, or just crop and enlarge? Camera shake, or zoomed too much? What glass are you using, could be inferior glass and the only way to fix that is to buy the stuff that will produce clear and color accurate photos.

The elk shot's interesting however, I almost never shoot ass/ball-shots, it's not common to get an ass shot that works well -- even when but bull is sniffin a cow. . . That said, do what you like.

"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
The lens is a Tamron 200-500, f4.5-6.3. It is a pretty good lens 10 elements 13 zones. Not bad. The doe, probably camera shake, hand held at 500. No retouching or manipulation in photoshop. The eagle I did crop in Elements, The elk was just for fun and was not cropped in the picture but when I posted this is what came out. The winter around here will probably provide plenty of eagle shots. Any suggestions on these.
 
Tony, I have enjoyed reading your responses. You have given some great advise.. I agree about the "Ass" shots.. I have taken a few tho... haha... Somtimes you take what you can get!

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Later, Brandon
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-11-06 AT 09:50PM (MST)[p]

Brandon, that is a great shot and one of those exeptions to the rule. In your case, the deer is looking back and, and a big and, he is looking into and across the frame. nice job on the composition/crop too, i like it.

Nice job, i really like it. If I could add one comment on the color. It looks like the white went a little yellow and the gray went a little green. It may be that the deer in that area have a slightly differnt color faze so go with it. I'm guilty of having some green shots too. Another issue may be that you camera is set on landscap in the programs or you have your sateration turned up too high. It may also be that your white balance is off by about 500 degrees K. One more thought on color, it may also be monitor calibration, have you calibrated your monitor?

Just adding my thoughts here, I'm not trying to take anything away from the shot. I added my comments only as construction and not as critisizm.


As per the eagle shots - a different post before yours, I dont know what your looking for. Can you be more specific as to what you would like me to talk about when it comes to eagles?

Take care, Tony



"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
I calibrated my monitor a week ago however, I would suspect its over manipulation :( who knows. I actually agree on the color...

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Later, Brandon
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-12-06 AT 10:17AM (MST)[p]Like I said, I'm guilty of the same problem, but i rarely get any feedback from people who can tell me my colors look a bit off. Again, I offer my thoughs only to help you or at least tell you what I as one person think. I'd expect nothing less from others, so tell me if you see somthing that catches your eye if I ever post a photo.

Take care, keep shooting, and always remember this:

"The sun does not always shine."


"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
oh, you know I will give you my oppinion :) Havent seen anything yet to call you on..Im lerking!

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Later, Brandon
 
Can either of you two expain to me the "calibrating the monitor" thing? Pardon the ignorance fellas. Thanks for the help.
 
You do nice work too vince. . . .

"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
no, but this article should do a much better job of it than I could ever try to on this form!

http://www.digital-lucida.com.au/services/whycalibratea.html



"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
Thanks Tony,

After reading that, I understand why you couldn't explain it here! I especially like the very last part about how to do it when they tell you to hire someone to come out and do it for you. That's good stuff. I am finding out real quick that I have a lot to learn to get my pictures to look as good as yours and others.
 
Wait! Step Back. Just take one step at a time. focus on your photography because if you cant operate the camera, read the light, get into the proper positon or get out of bed, nothing about color or monitor calibration will make a bit of difference!

Just go shoot and shoot some more and learn the other stuff later. You can not possibly do it all at once!

the more one photographs, the more one learns what can and what cannot be photographed.

"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
Very true Tony, very true. I will actually be hunting this weekend with camera in hand as well. If I get some good shots, I will be sure to post them. Thanks for all the tips so far!
 
Vinny! Thanks... Ditto to what Tony said. I just saw your web page a couple days ago... You need to take pictures of bucks UNDER 200 inches :) You dog.

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Later, Brandon
 
Very good advice Tony!

Everyone, Tony has been offering FREE advice about photography that normally you woould have to pay for. Take advantage of his generosity, but appreciate it as well.

Later,
Vince (Colorado)
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-12-06 AT 01:39PM (MST)[p]All right, all right, all right, enough of this touchy-feely crap. I like yours you like mine, we all do good -- NOW GET OFF THE COMPUTER AND GO OUTSIDE!!!!!!!!! :7

LOL!

Take care,


"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 
LAST EDITED ON Jan-12-06 AT 09:08PM (MST)[p]Yea right, a hug, I think we are beyond first base Brandon. . .

"Roadless areas, in general, represent some of the best fish and wildlife habitat on public lands. The bad news is that there is nothing positive about a road where fish and wildlife habitat are concerned -- absolutely nothing." (B&C Professor, Jack Ward Thomas, Fair Chase, Fall 2005, p.10).
 

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