Tag increases

deadibob

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There were a couple things I noticed while glancing at the tag numbers last night. The first one is that I should have put in for Kaiparowits West Desert Sheep, because they doubled the tags from six to twelve.

Another thing that caught my eye is the new cow elk hunt on the Oak Creek mountains. They are issuing 100 tags for that and I highly doubt there are 100 cows on the unit.

With all the new back to back hunts, I think I counted five consecutive cow elk hunts on the Southwest desert. It is apparent this state does not care for the health of wildlife. These animals are run ragged from August to January. The division should be charged with Wildlife Harassment. The way this state counts herd numbers is less accurate than if we threw darts at numbers on a wall. Too bad State government is above the law and they can't be held accountable.
 
They failed to increase tags on any units I apply for. In fact several hunts had significant decreases. The wildlife board is bought and paid for by $FW, and so is the DWR. You can't and won't ever change that. So with that in mind, if they are gonna destroy the herds by hunting them, might as well participate in the disaster. If you can't beat them, join them.
 
Anyone with eyes can see what is going on in this state with the wildlife/money abuse. I would think there has got to be a couple state legislators who could be convinced to look into and push hard against the SFW and state corruption. Get 50,000 sportsmen on board with a good P/R plan and I think they could eventually break the back of SFW.

When you have Don Peay so cozy with the Governor it will be hard to get change. The thing is I think there's a lot of state politicians who have only seen the SFW side of the story.
 
I'm curious what the season dates are for that cow elk hunt on Oak Creek?s.
I hope it's not until after the deer seasons are over.
Thanks
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-01-19 AT 08:33PM (MST)[p]I don't recall the dates exactly but I think it was in October. It doesn't really matter though, now that Utah has the three season general elk hunt, it was a cluster last season and will be again. So yes, there will be pressure afield during the deer hunts. The archery elk hunt had more hunters than usual on that unit, but I don't think they affected the deer very much.
 
Thanks for posting that season dates of that cow elk hunt on the Oak Creek unit.

That makes sense that they would want
to hunt them that late. Probably want to try and eliminate these elk to keep them from doing crop damage in the low lands and from competition with cattle grazing.
I doubt many folks would want to hunt cow elk up on that rugged SOB of a mountain.
 
Except that there aren't any elk down in the fields doing crop damage. I think the Division is just trying to eradicate the elk on this unit. They have transplanted nearly 100 Mtn. sheep over the last five years and the focus is on those and the deer.
 
Is it a problem that they want a unit that does not have elk on it and they focus on deer instead.
The oak creek unit is drie even on wet years that is why it burns so often.
When the oak creek elk heard was at its peak the elk did do alot of crop damage, there was more elk shot down in th flats coming back from the fields than shot up on the mountain.
 
>Is it a problem that they
>want a unit that does
>not have elk on it
>and they focus on deer
>instead.
>The oak creek unit is drie
>even on wet years that
>is why it burns so
>often.
>When the oak creek elk heard
>was at its peak the
>elk did do alot of
>crop damage, there was more
>elk shot down in th
>flats coming back from the
>fields than shot up on
>the mountain.

BINGO!
The DWR do not want elk on that unit anymore, as with the Vernon unit. That's why they opened them up to general season any bull. Now it's time to thin out the cows.






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Been barely 2 months since the expo. If you spent $ playing the lotto, you supported $fw. There is too cozy a relationship with them and DWR. And them and gov. And it just got more cozy this year.

Look at the money thrown out for deer tags on this unit. The deep pockets have spoken, $fw was paid, the elk must go.

Sure hope the everyone enjoyed that $5 lotto.




"I don't care if the season is closed. Get off your butt and go hunt them"

TRISTATE
3/11/19

From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
 
The 100 cow tags are set based on a projected hunter success rate percentage.
They know there aren't 100 cows on there but they need 50 killed based off an estimated 50% success rate (hypothetical numbers of course).

They always "oversell" tags knowing success rates are never 100%.
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-02-19 AT 11:47AM (MST)[p]>Is it a problem that they
>want a unit that does
>not have elk on it
>and they focus on deer
>instead.
>The oak creek unit is drie
>even on wet years that
>is why it burns so
>often.
>When the oak creek elk heard
>was at its peak the
>elk did do alot of
>crop damage, there was more
>elk shot down in th
>flats coming back from the
>fields than shot up on
>the mountain.


I am aware of all this. It has been over a decade since this went to an open unit and yes the elk are decimated and have been for a long time, crop damage is not an issue at this point. I know about it being dry and the fires, I live on the unit and our entire town was evacuated during the last fire, we all expected our homes to be burned. The fire burned right up to and around three sides of the town.

There is no crop damage due to elk at this point. My biggest issue here is that the division oversells tags, which in this case is by a huge margin. That's fine as long as they let people know ahead of time how low success rates will be and they don't.

It's like the outfitters in the Yukon who have 2 sheep tags and book 3 hunters. When the first two hunters are successful, the third hunter goes on a wild goose chase, while the outfitter makes sure there is no chance of success (maybe not the best analogy but there are some similarities).
 
Not as long as anyone on SFW is a Board President. Take a look at Jon Bair, hell he told the Division to do studies, look at changing structure all sorts of things that were never, ever brought up to the RAC. The RAC process is flawed as well. Ever been? Ever presented? 2 minutes to 5 minutes, hmmm public is lowballed again but then again because you have hunted an area all your life and you see the seasonal fluctuations you damn sure don't know anything. Look at the rules to be a board member; hmmm brought up an seconded by a wildlife org, appointed by the governor, seems odd to me...?

Rant over, this will never change, too much Utah small town politics in play and forever will be that way. Go back 10 years and you see the same thing and the same complaints...?.lets see what the next 10 years brings us
 
LAST EDITED ON Apr-25-19 AT 07:31PM (MST)[p] Thank God someone finally made a post that got that silly Jazz post off the top
Just razzing you elk but it's true.
We got some serious chit here to talk about on this forum like our pending deer and elk draws and such.
I've been a football and basketball sports fan my whole life but lately I'm starting to lose interest. I would rather focus on my hunting and scouting and just being outdoors nowadays.
Love you guys carry-on.
 
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