Watch today's Wildlife Board meeting

Amy · May 2, 2019

The Utah Wildlife Board meeting is underway. Today's agenda covers a wide range of topics. If you can't attend the meeting in person, we're broadcasting it live via YouTube.

Amy Canning
Communications Specialist
Utah Division of Wildlife Resources

elkassassin · May 2, 2019

You can Plainly see there are Several wanting to find ways to Sell More Tags!

How much harder can You Hunt a Deer & Elk Herd?

It Won't Be Long & Your Few Decades of Points won't be Worth the Paper they're Wrote on!

Now We gotta Form a Committee to find out what's going on in the Book Cliffs?

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

elkassassin · May 2, 2019

This is a Question for Trisha Hedin!

I Knew I'd seen You Somewhere Before!

You Sat with us at the Same Table at the NWTF Banquet in Roosevelt a few Week back!

Why Did You Not Spend a little Bit of that Cash You Make on one of the Book Cliffs Bull Elk Tags?

You Know You wanted one of them!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

YBO · May 3, 2019

So, why would they add 300 more tags in the Pine Valley general unit?

BillyBoB · May 3, 2019

LAST EDITED ON May-03-19 AT 11:24AM (MST)[p]They showed that the state sold approx 3600 private land only tags last year. With approximately 9000 offered.
So this year they raise it to 9700? Makes sense

Especially still offering private land only tags and ending elk control tags and reducing antlerless tags for a specific unit.

Also

Why translocate mountain goats for multiple years from one unit just to cut the tags from 19 to 7?
I'm guessing they moved too many.
Had I known this and seen the recommendations before I applied, I would have chosen a different unit.

I agree with the southern RAC. If the draw ended March 7th and the recommendations came out on March 28th, push the draw back a few weeks so hunters can have a better idea of where they want to apply.

"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt

deerkiller · May 3, 2019

I too am pretty irritated about that. I applied for the nanny tag thinking I had enough points to be in the bonus pool this year just to find out they are giving 1 tag to residents and 1 to non residents. Why the hell even have the hunt?? Another year and $10 application fee wasted. They use to publish tag #s for the units back around 06 for the draws. There?s no reason they can't go back to that. If they can hold the antlerless draws and publish results within a month, they can do the same for bucks bulls and OIL

elkfromabove · May 4, 2019

LAST EDITED ON May-04-19 AT 04:09PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON May-04-19 AT 03:54?PM (MST)

>So, why would they add 300
>more tags in the Pine
>Valley general unit?

Because the Pine Valley unit is OVER it's population objective AND it's buck to doe ratio per the unit plan and it has been since at least 2016.

In fact, if we were to try to bring it down to the numbers in the plan in one year (this year), we would have to issue at least 849 more buck tags and 2,131 more antlerless tags than the DWR and Wildlife Board voted for.

The numbers:
Current deer Population = 19,700
Deer Population Objective = 16,000
Extra Deer = 3,700

Current # of bucks = 3,822 (24/100 b/d ratio x 19,700 deer)
# of bucks per plan = 2,673 (20/100 b/d ratio x 16,000 deer)
Extra Bucks = 1,149

Current # of does = 15,878 (24/100 b/d ratio x 19,700 deer)
# of does per plan = 13,327 (20/100 b/d ratio x 16,000 deer)
Extra does = 2,551

The DWR and the Wildlife Board stated they want to be more compliant with the Mule Deer Plan(s) and keep the numbers within the unit plan as well as the Statewide plan, but they want to do it gradually, thus the 300 additional buck tags and no new doe tags.

elkassassin · May 4, 2019

So efa?

How many of them are Mature Bucks/6+ Years Old?

I Don't care How many MOTL Bucks were counted!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

elkfromabove · May 4, 2019

> So efa?
>
>How many of them are Mature
>Bucks/6+ Years Old?
>
>I Don't care How many MOTL
>Bucks were counted!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I know so many people in
>so many places
>They make allot of money but
>they got sad faces
>
>It Ain't Easy being Me!

And I don't know nor care how many Mature Bucks/6+ Years Old were counted, 'cause it doesn't or shouldn't make any difference. This is, after all, A GENERAL DEER unit. Ya know, AN OPPORTUNITY unit!

But, FWIW, this unit has been over both objectives for 4 years (at or over population objectives since 2015, and growing, and over buck to doe ratios since 2013 or earlier) and I'm pretty sure there are a lot more smart 6+ year olds than you'd ever see!
But, if they are not in sufficient numbers that you apparently would like then I guess you'll just have to keep applying elsewhere.

elkassassin · May 4, 2019

>> So efa?
>>
>>How many of them are Mature
>>Bucks/6+ Years Old?
>>
>>I Don't care How many MOTL
>>Bucks were counted!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I know so many people in
>>so many places
>>They make allot of money but
>>they got sad faces
>>
>>It Ain't Easy being Me!

>
>And I don't know nor care
>how many Mature Bucks/6+ Years
>Old were counted, 'cause it
>doesn't or shouldn't make any
>difference. This is, after all,
>A GENERAL DEER unit. Ya
>know, AN OPPORTUNITY unit!
>
>But, FWIW, this unit has been
>over both objectives for 4
>years (at or over population
>objectives since 2015, and growing,
>and over buck to doe
>ratios since 2013 or earlier)
>and I'm pretty sure there
>are a lot more smart
>6+ year olds than you'd
>ever see!
>But, if they are not in
>sufficient numbers that you apparently
>would like then I guess
>you'll just have to keep
>applying elsewhere.
>

And Right there You have your Average TARD Mentality!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

elkfromabove · May 4, 2019

LAST EDITED ON May-04-19 AT 09:04PM (MST)[p]>
>And Right there You have your
>Average TARD Mentality!
>
>
So, straighten the TARD out! How should I think?

elkassassin · May 4, 2019

>LAST EDITED ON May-04-19
>AT 09:04?PM (MST)
>
>>
>>And Right there You have your
>>Average TARD Mentality!
>>
>>
>So, straighten the TARD out! How
>should I think?

It's More than just Think!

Some of Our Bucks & Bulls need to have some Age Class to them!

We've went through it a Million times & You just don't get it!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

elkfromabove · May 4, 2019

>>LAST EDITED ON May-04-19
>>AT 09:04?PM (MST)
>>
>>>
>>>And Right there You have your
>>>Average TARD Mentality!
>>>
>>>
>>So, straighten the TARD out! How
>>should I think?
>
>It's More than just Think!
>
>Some of Our Bucks & Bulls
>need to have some Age
>Class to them!
>
>We've went through it a Million
>times & You just don't
>get it!
>
>

Oh, I get "it" alright!! And have for a long time! Ever since I've seen you use the words "pisscutter" to label animals that don't meet your antler size standards and "TARD" for those of us who are willing to legally, ethically, and biologically-sound hunt and shoot "pisscutters" or antlerless or who hunt in a manner you don't approve of.

I also get that you want those "mature", "quality", "trophy", "6+ year-olds" (or whatever you're calling them these days) as targets! And ONLY THEM, for ALL of us.

I get "it" alright! I just don't agree with "it". And I was at the Southern RAC and the Wildlife Board meeting and spoke at both. Where were you?

BillyBoB · May 4, 2019

People need to remember 2 things....
pine valley is a general season unit
The mule deer plan.

Hence the reason for the increase.
Both Fawn and doe survival rates look great.
I agree with the increase.
So did the RAC.

Still trying to figure out why they'd increase the private land only tags when they can't even meet half the quota

"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt

elkassassin · May 5, 2019

>>>LAST EDITED ON May-04-19
>>>AT 09:04?PM (MST)
>>>
>>>>
>>>>And Right there You have your
>>>>Average TARD Mentality!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>So, straighten the TARD out! How
>>>should I think?
>>
>>It's More than just Think!
>>
>>Some of Our Bucks & Bulls
>>need to have some Age
>>Class to them!
>>
>>We've went through it a Million
>>times & You just don't
>>get it!
>>
>>
>
>Oh, I get "it" alright!! And
>have for a long time!
>Ever since I've seen you
>use the words "pisscutter" to
>label animals that don't meet
>your antler size standards and
>"TARD" for those of us
>who are willing to legally,
>ethically, and biologically-sound hunt and
>shoot "pisscutters" or antlerless or
>who hunt in a manner
>you don't approve of.
>
>I also get that you want
>those "mature", "quality", "trophy", "6+
>year-olds" (or whatever you're calling
>them these days) as targets!
>And ONLY THEM, for ALL
>of us.
>
>I get "it" alright! I just
>don't agree with "it". And
>I was at the Southern
>RAC and the Wildlife Board
>meeting and spoke at both.
>Where were you?

#-1 They already know what I Think!

#-2 What I Think doesn't mean JACK F'N SQUAT!

#-3 The 'Opportunity' That you are so Proud of Should Be Spread out for all Types of Hunters!

#-4 Not Just for PISSCUTTER & Doe Shooters as Yourself!

#-5 There are Still a Few of us Left that will go Home with Tag in Hand/Tag Soup Proudly,Unlike Most!

We're Gonna use Founder as an Example for just a minute!

How many Mature/Trophy Bucks does He Harvest in Utah in recent Years?

I Know many Guys like Him & there's several on this Site that Give their all Trying to Harvest that Mature Buck in this State but it's Damn Tough!

The same Bunch I'm Speaking of Seem to get it done in Colorado on Most years even though Colorado's Deer Herd hasn't been doing as Well Neither!

I Say one thing that Helps is to be Hunting Somewhere where there is Some Mature Bucks!

Your 'I Filled My Tag' Mentality is a JOKE efa!

But How many of Your PISSCUTTERS were Mature?

I Don't Live in the Southern Region Nor do I go to the Southern RAC Meetings & further F'N More I can't Tell them What I need to tell them in 3 GAWD-DAMNED Minutes!

You Understand that?

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

Crndgs8 · May 5, 2019

>>>>LAST EDITED ON May-04-19
>>>>AT 09:04?PM (MST)
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>And Right there You have your
>>>>>Average TARD Mentality!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>So, straighten the TARD out! How
>>>>should I think?
>>>
>>>It's More than just Think!
>>>
>>>Some of Our Bucks & Bulls
>>>need to have some Age
>>>Class to them!
>>>
>>>We've went through it a Million
>>>times & You just don't
>>>get it!
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Oh, I get "it" alright!! And
>>have for a long time!
>>Ever since I've seen you
>>use the words "pisscutter" to
>>label animals that don't meet
>>your antler size standards and
>>"TARD" for those of us
>>who are willing to legally,
>>ethically, and biologically-sound hunt and
>>shoot "pisscutters" or antlerless or
>>who hunt in a manner
>>you don't approve of.
>>
>>I also get that you want
>>those "mature", "quality", "trophy", "6+
>>year-olds" (or whatever you're calling
>>them these days) as targets!
>>And ONLY THEM, for ALL
>>of us.
>>
>>I get "it" alright! I just
>>don't agree with "it". And
>>I was at the Southern
>>RAC and the Wildlife Board
>>meeting and spoke at both.
>>Where were you?
>
>#-1 They already know what I
>Think!
>
>#-2 What I Think doesn't mean
>JACK F'N SQUAT!
>
>#-3 The 'Opportunity' That you are
>so Proud of Should Be
>Spread out for all Types
>of Hunters!
>
>#-4 Not Just for PISSCUTTER &
>Doe Shooters as Yourself!
>
>#-5 There are Still a Few
>of us Left that will
>go Home with Tag in
>Hand/Tag Soup Proudly,Unlike Most!
>
>We're Gonna use Founder as an
>Example for just a minute!
>
>
>How many Mature/Trophy Bucks does He
>Harvest in Utah in recent
>Years?
>
>I Know many Guys like Him
>& there's several on this
>Site that Give their all
>Trying to Harvest that Mature
>Buck in this State but
>it's Damn Tough!
>
>The same Bunch I'm Speaking of
>Seem to get it done
>in Colorado on Most years
>even though Colorado's Deer Herd
>hasn't been doing as Well
>Neither!
>
>I Say one thing that Helps
>is to be Hunting Somewhere
>where there is Some Mature
>Bucks!
>
>Your 'I Filled My Tag' Mentality
>is a JOKE efa!
>
>But How many of Your PISSCUTTERS
>were Mature?
>
>I Don't Live in the Southern
>Region Nor do I go
>to the Southern RAC Meetings
>& further F'N More I
>can't Tell them What I
>need to tell them in
>3 GAWD-DAMNED Minutes!
>
>You Understand that?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I know so many people in
>so many places
>They make allot of money but
>they got sad faces
>
>It Ain't Easy being Me!

Wow..... really??? Maybe look at changing units , or possibly spending more time looking for bucks you want to harvest? If guys wanna take ?pisscutter? bucks that's really their business.
There?s mature bucks in every general unit I've spent time in.... I know of more 160?+ bucks being taken the last few years than there's has been for a long time.

Maybe take a look in the mirror and do the things you have control over. Scout harder, look in different units/different areas, get a part time job in the summer and buy a LE voucher.

elkassassin · May 5, 2019

>>>>>LAST EDITED ON May-04-19
>>>>>AT 09:04?PM (MST)
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And Right there You have your
>>>>>>Average TARD Mentality!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>So, straighten the TARD out! How
>>>>>should I think?
>>>>
>>>>It's More than just Think!
>>>>
>>>>Some of Our Bucks & Bulls
>>>>need to have some Age
>>>>Class to them!
>>>>
>>>>We've went through it a Million
>>>>times & You just don't
>>>>get it!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>Oh, I get "it" alright!! And
>>>have for a long time!
>>>Ever since I've seen you
>>>use the words "pisscutter" to
>>>label animals that don't meet
>>>your antler size standards and
>>>"TARD" for those of us
>>>who are willing to legally,
>>>ethically, and biologically-sound hunt and
>>>shoot "pisscutters" or antlerless or
>>>who hunt in a manner
>>>you don't approve of.
>>>
>>>I also get that you want
>>>those "mature", "quality", "trophy", "6+
>>>year-olds" (or whatever you're calling
>>>them these days) as targets!
>>>And ONLY THEM, for ALL
>>>of us.
>>>
>>>I get "it" alright! I just
>>>don't agree with "it". And
>>>I was at the Southern
>>>RAC and the Wildlife Board
>>>meeting and spoke at both.
>>>Where were you?
>>
>>#-1 They already know what I
>>Think!
>>
>>#-2 What I Think doesn't mean
>>JACK F'N SQUAT!
>>
>>#-3 The 'Opportunity' That you are
>>so Proud of Should Be
>>Spread out for all Types
>>of Hunters!
>>
>>#-4 Not Just for PISSCUTTER &
>>Doe Shooters as Yourself!
>>
>>#-5 There are Still a Few
>>of us Left that will
>>go Home with Tag in
>>Hand/Tag Soup Proudly,Unlike Most!
>>
>>We're Gonna use Founder as an
>>Example for just a minute!
>>
>>
>>How many Mature/Trophy Bucks does He
>>Harvest in Utah in recent
>>Years?
>>
>>I Know many Guys like Him
>>& there's several on this
>>Site that Give their all
>>Trying to Harvest that Mature
>>Buck in this State but
>>it's Damn Tough!
>>
>>The same Bunch I'm Speaking of
>>Seem to get it done
>>in Colorado on Most years
>>even though Colorado's Deer Herd
>>hasn't been doing as Well
>>Neither!
>>
>>I Say one thing that Helps
>>is to be Hunting Somewhere
>>where there is Some Mature
>>Bucks!
>>
>>Your 'I Filled My Tag' Mentality
>>is a JOKE efa!
>>
>>But How many of Your PISSCUTTERS
>>were Mature?
>>
>>I Don't Live in the Southern
>>Region Nor do I go
>>to the Southern RAC Meetings
>>& further F'N More I
>>can't Tell them What I
>>need to tell them in
>>3 GAWD-DAMNED Minutes!
>>
>>You Understand that?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I know so many people in
>>so many places
>>They make allot of money but
>>they got sad faces
>>
>>It Ain't Easy being Me!

>
>
>
>Wow..... really??? Maybe look at changing
>units , or possibly spending
>more time looking for bucks
>you want to harvest? If
>guys wanna take ?pisscutter? bucks
> that's really their business.
>
> There?s mature bucks in every
>general unit I've spent time
>in.... I know of more
>160?+ bucks being taken the
>last few years than there's
>has been for a long
>time.
>
> Maybe take a look in
>the mirror and do the
>things you have control over.
>Scout harder, look in different
>units/different areas, get a part
>time job in the summer
>and buy a LE voucher.
>

Yup!

Right there's the Average Mentality!

A 160"ER Gets Paraded around Town like it's some kinda F'N Trophy!

What Year were You Born?

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

Crndgs8 · May 5, 2019

>>>>>>LAST EDITED ON May-04-19
>>>>>>AT 09:04?PM (MST)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And Right there You have your
>>>>>>>Average TARD Mentality!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>So, straighten the TARD out! How
>>>>>>should I think?
>>>>>
>>>>>It's More than just Think!
>>>>>
>>>>>Some of Our Bucks & Bulls
>>>>>need to have some Age
>>>>>Class to them!
>>>>>
>>>>>We've went through it a Million
>>>>>times & You just don't
>>>>>get it!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Oh, I get "it" alright!! And
>>>>have for a long time!
>>>>Ever since I've seen you
>>>>use the words "pisscutter" to
>>>>label animals that don't meet
>>>>your antler size standards and
>>>>"TARD" for those of us
>>>>who are willing to legally,
>>>>ethically, and biologically-sound hunt and
>>>>shoot "pisscutters" or antlerless or
>>>>who hunt in a manner
>>>>you don't approve of.
>>>>
>>>>I also get that you want
>>>>those "mature", "quality", "trophy", "6+
>>>>year-olds" (or whatever you're calling
>>>>them these days) as targets!
>>>>And ONLY THEM, for ALL
>>>>of us.
>>>>
>>>>I get "it" alright! I just
>>>>don't agree with "it". And
>>>>I was at the Southern
>>>>RAC and the Wildlife Board
>>>>meeting and spoke at both.
>>>>Where were you?
>>>
>>>#-1 They already know what I
>>>Think!
>>>
>>>#-2 What I Think doesn't mean
>>>JACK F'N SQUAT!
>>>
>>>#-3 The 'Opportunity' That you are
>>>so Proud of Should Be
>>>Spread out for all Types
>>>of Hunters!
>>>
>>>#-4 Not Just for PISSCUTTER &
>>>Doe Shooters as Yourself!
>>>
>>>#-5 There are Still a Few
>>>of us Left that will
>>>go Home with Tag in
>>>Hand/Tag Soup Proudly,Unlike Most!
>>>
>>>We're Gonna use Founder as an
>>>Example for just a minute!
>>>
>>>
>>>How many Mature/Trophy Bucks does He
>>>Harvest in Utah in recent
>>>Years?
>>>
>>>I Know many Guys like Him
>>>& there's several on this
>>>Site that Give their all
>>>Trying to Harvest that Mature
>>>Buck in this State but
>>>it's Damn Tough!
>>>
>>>The same Bunch I'm Speaking of
>>>Seem to get it done
>>>in Colorado on Most years
>>>even though Colorado's Deer Herd
>>>hasn't been doing as Well
>>>Neither!
>>>
>>>I Say one thing that Helps
>>>is to be Hunting Somewhere
>>>where there is Some Mature
>>>Bucks!
>>>
>>>Your 'I Filled My Tag' Mentality
>>>is a JOKE efa!
>>>
>>>But How many of Your PISSCUTTERS
>>>were Mature?
>>>
>>>I Don't Live in the Southern
>>>Region Nor do I go
>>>to the Southern RAC Meetings
>>>& further F'N More I
>>>can't Tell them What I
>>>need to tell them in
>>>3 GAWD-DAMNED Minutes!
>>>
>>>You Understand that?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I know so many people in
>>>so many places
>>>They make allot of money but
>>>they got sad faces
>>>
>>>It Ain't Easy being Me!

>>
>>
>>
>>Wow..... really??? Maybe look at changing
>>units , or possibly spending
>>more time looking for bucks
>>you want to harvest? If
>>guys wanna take ?pisscutter? bucks
>> that's really their business.
>>
>> There?s mature bucks in every
>>general unit I've spent time
>>in.... I know of more
>>160?+ bucks being taken the
>>last few years than there's
>>has been for a long
>>time.
>>
>> Maybe take a look in
>>the mirror and do the
>>things you have control over.
>>Scout harder, look in different
>>units/different areas, get a part
>>time job in the summer
>>and buy a LE voucher.
>>
>
>
> Yup!
>
>Right there's the Average Mentality!
>
>A 160"ER Gets Paraded around Town
>like it's some kinda F'N
>Trophy!
>
>What Year were You Born?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I know so many people in
>so many places
>They make allot of money but
>they got sad faces
>
>It Ain't Easy being Me!

Haha I was born in 78.
A 160? deer is a trophy for a lotta guys. that was a reference so calm down.

If you want to get spacific I know of 2 deer over 200? killed, 1 deer 190+, and a handful of 180 class bucks. Let along pisscutter 160-170 bucks. General units in Utah and easy to draw units in Nevada.
Also, a 418? bull we killed in Utah.

But there's no big animals left, they're all gone.

deerkiller · May 5, 2019

Elkass,

Maybe you can help us out and explain what your definition of a ?pisscutter? is? At what point does a deer got from a pisscutter to an acceptable deer to harvest, in your opinion? What's the magic score?

elkassassin · May 5, 2019

>Elkass,
>
>Maybe you can help us out
>and explain what your definition
>of a ?pisscutter? is? At
>what point does a deer
>got from a pisscutter to
>an acceptable deer to harvest,
>in your opinion? What's the
>magic score?

The Score has never been something I ever got My Panties in a WAD over!

But I'm Talking Bucks that Live long enough/6-8 Years+ to Reach some Potential!

But in today's Over Hunted Deer Herd just because He might Break in to that Age Class doesn't Mean He'll ever be anything Special due to Over Hunting & PISS POOR Genetics!

I'll see if I can Find a couple Definitions for you!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

elkassassin · May 5, 2019

>>>>>>>LAST EDITED ON May-04-19
>>>>>>>AT 09:04?PM (MST)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And Right there You have your
>>>>>>>>Average TARD Mentality!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, straighten the TARD out! How
>>>>>>>should I think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's More than just Think!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Some of Our Bucks & Bulls
>>>>>>need to have some Age
>>>>>>Class to them!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We've went through it a Million
>>>>>>times & You just don't
>>>>>>get it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh, I get "it" alright!! And
>>>>>have for a long time!
>>>>>Ever since I've seen you
>>>>>use the words "pisscutter" to
>>>>>label animals that don't meet
>>>>>your antler size standards and
>>>>>"TARD" for those of us
>>>>>who are willing to legally,
>>>>>ethically, and biologically-sound hunt and
>>>>>shoot "pisscutters" or antlerless or
>>>>>who hunt in a manner
>>>>>you don't approve of.
>>>>>
>>>>>I also get that you want
>>>>>those "mature", "quality", "trophy", "6+
>>>>>year-olds" (or whatever you're calling
>>>>>them these days) as targets!
>>>>>And ONLY THEM, for ALL
>>>>>of us.
>>>>>
>>>>>I get "it" alright! I just
>>>>>don't agree with "it". And
>>>>>I was at the Southern
>>>>>RAC and the Wildlife Board
>>>>>meeting and spoke at both.
>>>>>Where were you?
>>>>
>>>>#-1 They already know what I
>>>>Think!
>>>>
>>>>#-2 What I Think doesn't mean
>>>>JACK F'N SQUAT!
>>>>
>>>>#-3 The 'Opportunity' That you are
>>>>so Proud of Should Be
>>>>Spread out for all Types
>>>>of Hunters!
>>>>
>>>>#-4 Not Just for PISSCUTTER &
>>>>Doe Shooters as Yourself!
>>>>
>>>>#-5 There are Still a Few
>>>>of us Left that will
>>>>go Home with Tag in
>>>>Hand/Tag Soup Proudly,Unlike Most!
>>>>
>>>>We're Gonna use Founder as an
>>>>Example for just a minute!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>How many Mature/Trophy Bucks does He
>>>>Harvest in Utah in recent
>>>>Years?
>>>>
>>>>I Know many Guys like Him
>>>>& there's several on this
>>>>Site that Give their all
>>>>Trying to Harvest that Mature
>>>>Buck in this State but
>>>>it's Damn Tough!
>>>>
>>>>The same Bunch I'm Speaking of
>>>>Seem to get it done
>>>>in Colorado on Most years
>>>>even though Colorado's Deer Herd
>>>>hasn't been doing as Well
>>>>Neither!
>>>>
>>>>I Say one thing that Helps
>>>>is to be Hunting Somewhere
>>>>where there is Some Mature
>>>>Bucks!
>>>>
>>>>Your 'I Filled My Tag' Mentality
>>>>is a JOKE efa!
>>>>
>>>>But How many of Your PISSCUTTERS
>>>>were Mature?
>>>>
>>>>I Don't Live in the Southern
>>>>Region Nor do I go
>>>>to the Southern RAC Meetings
>>>>& further F'N More I
>>>>can't Tell them What I
>>>>need to tell them in
>>>>3 GAWD-DAMNED Minutes!
>>>>
>>>>You Understand that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I know so many people in
>>>>so many places
>>>>They make allot of money but
>>>>they got sad faces
>>>>
>>>>It Ain't Easy being Me!

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Wow..... really??? Maybe look at changing
>>>units , or possibly spending
>>>more time looking for bucks
>>>you want to harvest? If
>>>guys wanna take ?pisscutter? bucks
>>> that's really their business.
>>>
>>> There?s mature bucks in every
>>>general unit I've spent time
>>>in.... I know of more
>>>160?+ bucks being taken the
>>>last few years than there's
>>>has been for a long
>>>time.
>>>
>>> Maybe take a look in
>>>the mirror and do the
>>>things you have control over.
>>>Scout harder, look in different
>>>units/different areas, get a part
>>>time job in the summer
>>>and buy a LE voucher.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yup!
>>
>>Right there's the Average Mentality!
>>
>>A 160"ER Gets Paraded around Town
>>like it's some kinda F'N
>>Trophy!
>>
>>What Year were You Born?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I know so many people in
>>so many places
>>They make allot of money but
>>they got sad faces
>>
>>It Ain't Easy being Me!

>
>
>Haha I was born in 78.
>
> A 160? deer is a
>trophy for a lotta guys.
>that was a reference so
>calm down.
>
> If you want to get
>spacific I know of 2
>deer over 200? killed, 1
>deer 190+, and a handful
>of 180 class bucks. Let
>along pisscutter 160-170 bucks. General
>units in Utah and easy
>to draw units in Nevada.
>
> Also, a 418? bull we
>killed in Utah.
>
>But there's no big animals left,
>they're all gone.
>
>

There You go:

"160" Class Bucks are Trophy's for alot a Guys"

True!

And if You let them Little Bastards Live another Year or two you might have something!

But that Sshhiitt Ain't Happening!

So?

We here about the Cream of the Crop every Year:

2 deer over 200? killed, 1 deer 190+, and a handful of 180 class bucks. Let along pisscutter 160-170 bucks. General units in Utah and easy to draw units in Nevada.
Also, a 418? bull we killed in Utah.

I Never said there wasn't a few!

I Say there are Damn few!

So,can you tell me Percentage wise,what percentage of General Hunters Break that 180" Mark in TARDville?

I Guess I'm Wrong but I didn't know there were any Easy Units to Draw in Nevada?

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

elkassassin · May 5, 2019

>Elkass,
>
>Maybe you can help us out
>and explain what your definition
>of a ?pisscutter? is? At
>what point does a deer
>got from a pisscutter to
>an acceptable deer to harvest,
>in your opinion? What's the
>magic score?

Here ya go deerkiller:

Right out of the Utah Bible:

Go to Urban Dictionary & Scroll down to #5:

Pisscutter
A very small sub standard Bull Elk or Mule Deer buck commonly found and harvested by Utah sportsmen.
Say Bob Im going over to see Bessy's buck, care to put down that Mountain Dew and LDS bible and join me? NO thanks if I know ole Bessy it's just another pisscutter.
#little buck#dink#bambi#forkie#meat buck
by Team_UNC January 28, 2011

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

deerkiller · May 5, 2019

I'd sure love to see some of your non pisscutters that you've harvested over your hunting career. There has to be a few on your wall

Bocephus · May 5, 2019

You dont know or see them all Bess. Not everybody has to thump their chest and post pics on the internet. In fact most guys that consistently kill big stuff don't care to get their strokes from Joe Public.

Crndgs8 · May 5, 2019

>You dont know or see
>them all Bess. Not everybody
>has to thump their chest
>and post pics on the
>internet. In fact most guys
>that consistently kill big stuff
>don't care to get their
>strokes from Joe Public.

Exactly!

YBO · May 5, 2019

Bess should I post some of those giants for you? Never mind. I said I wouldnt.

elkassassin · May 5, 2019

>You dont know or see
>them all Bess. Not everybody
>has to thump their chest
>and post pics on the
>internet. In fact most guys
>that consistently kill big stuff
>don't care to get their
>strokes from Joe Public.

I Think We agree on something there Bocephus!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

elkassassin · May 5, 2019

>Bess should I post some of
>those giants for you? Never
>mind. I said I wouldnt.
>

It's OK YBO!

Thanks though!

If You Did!

I'd have to Post a few of Yours!

And Your's are DAMN NICE!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

YBO · May 5, 2019

Bess
My word is still valid.
Did you change your email address?

elkassassin · May 5, 2019

No I Didn't!

But sometimes E-Mails are sent to the Junk E-Mail Bin!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

elkassassin · May 5, 2019

Last one I Got from you YBO was the Golfing Story!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

notdonhunting · May 5, 2019

You all need to remember elkassassin wants to manage all the hunting units in Utah on what he sees in the bookcliffs unit.
The other problem the DNR has age objectives for elk but elkassassin does not agree with them, so he does not recognize them.
Yes elkassassin we could limit the permits to allow all the bucks to live to some mythical age according too you and then you could complain for not drawing out.
Sorry for being a little piffy.

elkassassin · May 5, 2019

>You all need to remember elkassassin
>wants to manage all the
>hunting units in Utah on
>what he sees in the
>bookcliffs unit.
>The other problem the DNR has
>age objectives for elk but
>elkassassin does not agree with
>them, so he does not
>recognize them.
>Yes elkassassin we could limit the
>permits to allow all the
>bucks to live to some
>mythical age according too you
>and then you could complain
>for not drawing out.
>Sorry for being a little piffy.
>

Not so notdon/notright!

I Tell you what I see in Units I spend time in!

No I Don't believe LE Units should be destroyed because of the FAKE PHONY F'N 'Opportunity' Excuses!

I Told all of You several years ago what was gonna happen to Our LE Elk Units if they kept Slaughtering Spikes & Cows!

But I was Quickly Told I Wasn't a Biologist!

You're Right!

And I Don't think you have to be a Biologist to see the Light!

This State went from some of the Best Elk hunting anywhere to a TOTAL F'N JOKE of today!

Opportunity though!

GREED Though!

Let's put a $ Sign & a Name on every Big Buck or Bull in this State!

Let's Camp on that Buck or Bull for Months & when the time is Right let's bring the Shooter in!

Don't tell me the Whole F'N Show Ain't revolving around GREED & MONEY!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

elkassassin · May 5, 2019

LAST EDITED ON May-06-19 AT 02:38AM (MST)[p]
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And Right there You have your
>>>>>>>>Average TARD Mentality!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So, straighten the TARD out! How
>>>>>>>should I think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>It's More than just Think!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Some of Our Bucks & Bulls
>>>>>>need to have some Age
>>>>>>Class to them!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We've went through it a Million
>>>>>>times & You just don't
>>>>>>get it!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh, I get "it" alright!! And
>>>>>have for a long time!
>>>>>Ever since I've seen you
>>>>>use the words "pisscutter" to
>>>>>label animals that don't meet
>>>>>your antler size standards and
>>>>>"TARD" for those of us
>>>>>who are willing to legally,
>>>>>ethically, and biologically-sound hunt and
>>>>>shoot "pisscutters" or antlerless or
>>>>>who hunt in a manner
>>>>>you don't approve of.
>>>>>
>>>>>I also get that you want
>>>>>those "mature", "quality", "trophy", "6+
>>>>>year-olds" (or whatever you're calling
>>>>>them these days) as targets!
>>>>>And ONLY THEM, for ALL
>>>>>of us.
>>>>>
>>>>>I get "it" alright! I just
>>>>>don't agree with "it". And
>>>>>I was at the Southern
>>>>>RAC and the Wildlife Board
>>>>>meeting and spoke at both.
>>>>>Where were you?
>>>>
>>>>#-1 They already know what I
>>>>Think!
>>>>
>>>>#-2 What I Think doesn't mean
>>>>JACK F'N SQUAT!
>>>>
>>>>#-3 The 'Opportunity' That you are
>>>>so Proud of Should Be
>>>>Spread out for all Types
>>>>of Hunters!
>>>>
>>>>#-4 Not Just for PISSCUTTER &
>>>>Doe Shooters as Yourself!
>>>>
>>>>#-5 There are Still a Few
>>>>of us Left that will
>>>>go Home with Tag in
>>>>Hand/Tag Soup Proudly,Unlike Most!
>>>>
>>>>We're Gonna use Founder as an
>>>>Example for just a minute!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>How many Mature/Trophy Bucks does He
>>>>Harvest in Utah in recent
>>>>Years?
>>>>
>>>>I Know many Guys like Him
>>>>& there's several on this
>>>>Site that Give their all
>>>>Trying to Harvest that Mature
>>>>Buck in this State but
>>>>it's Damn Tough!
>>>>
>>>>The same Bunch I'm Speaking of
>>>>Seem to get it done
>>>>in Colorado on Most years
>>>>even though Colorado's Deer Herd
>>>>hasn't been doing as Well
>>>>Neither!
>>>>
>>>>I Say one thing that Helps
>>>>is to be Hunting Somewhere
>>>>where there is Some Mature
>>>>Bucks!
>>>>
>>>>Your 'I Filled My Tag' Mentality
>>>>is a JOKE efa!
>>>>
>>>>But How many of Your PISSCUTTERS
>>>>were Mature?
>>>>
>>>>I Don't Live in the Southern
>>>>Region Nor do I go
>>>>to the Southern RAC Meetings
>>>>& further F'N More I
>>>>can't Tell them What I
>>>>need to tell them in
>>>>3 GAWD-DAMNED Minutes!
>>>>
>>>>You Understand that?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I know so many people in
>>>>so many places
>>>>They make allot of money but
>>>>they got sad faces
>>>>
>>>>It Ain't Easy being Me!

>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Wow..... really??? Maybe look at changing
>>>units , or possibly spending
>>>more time looking for bucks
>>>you want to harvest? If
>>>guys wanna take ?pisscutter? bucks
>>> that's really their business.
>>>
>>> There?s mature bucks in every
>>>general unit I've spent time
>>>in.... I know of more
>>>160?+ bucks being taken the
>>>last few years than there's
>>>has been for a long
>>>time.
>>>
>>> Maybe take a look in
>>>the mirror and do the
>>>things you have control over.
>>>Scout harder, look in different
>>>units/different areas, get a part
>>>time job in the summer
>>>and buy a LE voucher.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Yup!
>>
>>Right there's the Average Mentality!
>>
>>A 160"ER Gets Paraded around Town
>>like it's some kinda F'N
>>Trophy!
>>
>>What Year were You Born?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I know so many people in
>>so many places
>>They make allot of money but
>>they got sad faces
>>
>>It Ain't Easy being Me!

>
>
>Haha I was born in 78.
>
> A 160? deer is a
>trophy for a lotta guys.
>that was a reference so
>calm down.
>
> If you want to get
>spacific I know of 2
>deer over 200? killed, 1
>deer 190+, and a handful
>of 180 class bucks. Let
>along pisscutter 160-170 bucks. General
>units in Utah and easy
>to draw units in Nevada.
>
> Also, a 418? bull we
>killed in Utah.
>
>But there's no big animals left,
>they're all gone.
>
>

Hey Coty!

78 Huh?

Why HELL SAKES!

You're a Veteran!

So do Tell us How much Money was Involved in them 5-6 Trophy Animals you Speak of taken last year?

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

deerkiller · May 6, 2019

Still waiting on the magic number when a pisscutter turns into a trophy deer...

Elkslayer2015 · May 6, 2019

LAST EDITED ON May-06-19 AT 08:48AM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON May-06-19 AT 08:06?AM (MST)

LAST EDITED ON May-06-19 AT 08:05?AM (MST)

Here is a calendar that will work

August 31-september 20 archery LE ELK/LE DEER/GENERAL SEASON ELK AND GENERAL SEASON SPIKE GENERAL SEASON DEER

September 21-29 rifle LE Elk and YOUTH HUNT

September 30-october 11 muzzleloader LE ELK/LE DEER/GENERAL SEASON DEER/GENERAL SEASON MUZZLELOADER ELK

October 12-24 GENERAL SEASON RIFLE BULL ELK GENRAL SEASON SPIKE/MID SEASON LE RIFLE ELK

October 26-November 3 LE RIFLE DEER/GENERAL SEASON RIFLE DEER

AND YOU CAN PUT THE LATE SEASON LE ELK AND THE MUZZLELOADER SPIKE WHERE IT FITS IN NOVEMBER...took me 10 minutes to do this

I forgot the mid season hunts

ByeByeObamas · May 6, 2019

This is getting tense...

Clearly Utah is on an unfavorable trajectory for people that want big animals and dont want to pay big bucks.

May be time move for some. I live in WA and have considered moving from my home to get away from bad policies.

Crndgs8 · May 6, 2019

LAST EDITED ON May-06-19 AT 10:48AM (MST)[p]>LAST EDITED ON May-06-19
>AT 02:38?AM (MST)
>
>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And Right there You have your
>>>>>>>>>Average TARD Mentality!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So, straighten the TARD out! How
>>>>>>>>should I think?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It's More than just Think!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Some of Our Bucks & Bulls
>>>>>>>need to have some Age
>>>>>>>Class to them!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We've went through it a Million
>>>>>>>times & You just don't
>>>>>>>get it!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Oh, I get "it" alright!! And
>>>>>>have for a long time!
>>>>>>Ever since I've seen you
>>>>>>use the words "pisscutter" to
>>>>>>label animals that don't meet
>>>>>>your antler size standards and
>>>>>>"TARD" for those of us
>>>>>>who are willing to legally,
>>>>>>ethically, and biologically-sound hunt and
>>>>>>shoot "pisscutters" or antlerless or
>>>>>>who hunt in a manner
>>>>>>you don't approve of.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I also get that you want
>>>>>>those "mature", "quality", "trophy", "6+
>>>>>>year-olds" (or whatever you're calling
>>>>>>them these days) as targets!
>>>>>>And ONLY THEM, for ALL
>>>>>>of us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I get "it" alright! I just
>>>>>>don't agree with "it". And
>>>>>>I was at the Southern
>>>>>>RAC and the Wildlife Board
>>>>>>meeting and spoke at both.
>>>>>>Where were you?
>>>>>
>>>>>#-1 They already know what I
>>>>>Think!
>>>>>
>>>>>#-2 What I Think doesn't mean
>>>>>JACK F'N SQUAT!
>>>>>
>>>>>#-3 The 'Opportunity' That you are
>>>>>so Proud of Should Be
>>>>>Spread out for all Types
>>>>>of Hunters!
>>>>>
>>>>>#-4 Not Just for PISSCUTTER &
>>>>>Doe Shooters as Yourself!
>>>>>
>>>>>#-5 There are Still a Few
>>>>>of us Left that will
>>>>>go Home with Tag in
>>>>>Hand/Tag Soup Proudly,Unlike Most!
>>>>>
>>>>>We're Gonna use Founder as an
>>>>>Example for just a minute!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>How many Mature/Trophy Bucks does He
>>>>>Harvest in Utah in recent
>>>>>Years?
>>>>>
>>>>>I Know many Guys like Him
>>>>>& there's several on this
>>>>>Site that Give their all
>>>>>Trying to Harvest that Mature
>>>>>Buck in this State but
>>>>>it's Damn Tough!
>>>>>
>>>>>The same Bunch I'm Speaking of
>>>>>Seem to get it done
>>>>>in Colorado on Most years
>>>>>even though Colorado's Deer Herd
>>>>>hasn't been doing as Well
>>>>>Neither!
>>>>>
>>>>>I Say one thing that Helps
>>>>>is to be Hunting Somewhere
>>>>>where there is Some Mature
>>>>>Bucks!
>>>>>
>>>>>Your 'I Filled My Tag' Mentality
>>>>>is a JOKE efa!
>>>>>
>>>>>But How many of Your PISSCUTTERS
>>>>>were Mature?
>>>>>
>>>>>I Don't Live in the Southern
>>>>>Region Nor do I go
>>>>>to the Southern RAC Meetings
>>>>>& further F'N More I
>>>>>can't Tell them What I
>>>>>need to tell them in
>>>>>3 GAWD-DAMNED Minutes!
>>>>>
>>>>>You Understand that?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I know so many people in
>>>>>so many places
>>>>>They make allot of money but
>>>>>they got sad faces
>>>>>
>>>>>It Ain't Easy being Me!

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Wow..... really??? Maybe look at changing
>>>>units , or possibly spending
>>>>more time looking for bucks
>>>>you want to harvest? If
>>>>guys wanna take ?pisscutter? bucks
>>>> that's really their business.
>>>>
>>>> There?s mature bucks in every
>>>>general unit I've spent time
>>>>in.... I know of more
>>>>160?+ bucks being taken the
>>>>last few years than there's
>>>>has been for a long
>>>>time.
>>>>
>>>> Maybe take a look in
>>>>the mirror and do the
>>>>things you have control over.
>>>>Scout harder, look in different
>>>>units/different areas, get a part
>>>>time job in the summer
>>>>and buy a LE voucher.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Yup!
>>>
>>>Right there's the Average Mentality!
>>>
>>>A 160"ER Gets Paraded around Town
>>>like it's some kinda F'N
>>>Trophy!
>>>
>>>What Year were You Born?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>I know so many people in
>>>so many places
>>>They make allot of money but
>>>they got sad faces
>>>
>>>It Ain't Easy being Me!

>>
>>
>>Haha I was born in 78.
>>
>> A 160? deer is a
>>trophy for a lotta guys.
>>that was a reference so
>>calm down.
>>
>> If you want to get
>>spacific I know of 2
>>deer over 200? killed, 1
>>deer 190+, and a handful
>>of 180 class bucks. Let
>>along pisscutter 160-170 bucks. General
>>units in Utah and easy
>>to draw units in Nevada.
>>
>> Also, a 418? bull we
>>killed in Utah.
>>
>>But there's no big animals left,
>>they're all gone.
>>
>>
>
>Hey Coty!
>
>78 Huh?

>
>Why HELL SAKES!
>
>You're a Veteran!
>
>So do Tell us How much
>Money was Involved in them
>5-6 Trophy Animals you Speak
>of taken last year?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>I know so many people in
>so many places
>They make allot of money but
>they got sad faces
>
>It Ain't Easy being Me!

half guided and the others personal hunts, or hunts with family/friends. All on public land....
Not sure what that has to do with anything tho.

there's hardly any big mature animals left right. I would like to hear your management plan to produce mature animals and still have the opportunity to hunt them? I know I've never drawn a LE tag to date....

I spent a lot of time out on the Vernon the years before they reopened it. That was the most incredible mule deer herd I've ever seen. It's definitely nothing close to that today, but there's still plenty of big bucks. Just gotta dig more to find them.

BTW there are a bunch of units in Nevada that can be drawn every year. Most have leftover tags available in the second draw.
Your research skills are weak sir. ?

BillyBoB · May 6, 2019

Elk,

I found a video from 2017 hunt on the Pine Valley.
Are these pisscutters?

https://youtu.be/qiXSbjxIbIQ

"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt

elkassassin · May 6, 2019

>Elk,
>
>I found a video from 2017
>hunt on the Pine Valley.
>
>Are these pisscutters?
>
>https://youtu.be/qiXSbjxIbIQ
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak.
>So
>we must and we will."
>Theadore Roosevelt

They are OK/Alright Bucks!

I Like the Acorn on the one Buck!

I've only Shot one Buck with an Acorn!

That's What Hunting should be!

No F'N ATV's & They were Earned!

Nice Job to the Son & His Dad!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

ridgetops · May 6, 2019

>>Elk,
>>
>>I found a video from 2017
>>hunt on the Pine Valley.
>>
>>Are these pisscutters?
>>
>>https://youtu.be/qiXSbjxIbIQ
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak.
>>So
>>we must and we will."
>>Theadore Roosevelt
>
>They are OK/Alright Bucks!
>
>I Like the Acorn on the
>one Buck!
>
>I've only Shot one Buck with
>an Acorn!
>
>That's What Hunting should be!
>
>No F'N ATV's & They were
>Earned!
>
>Nice Job to the Son &
>His Dad!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Lets change all the rules, regs. and low tag numbers just so ole Elkass can hunt the way he thinks hunting should be like.
What a great idea.
Good grief!

elkassassin · May 6, 2019

>>>Elk,
>>>
>>>I found a video from 2017
>>>hunt on the Pine Valley.
>>>
>>>Are these pisscutters?
>>>
>>>https://youtu.be/qiXSbjxIbIQ
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak.
>>>So
>>>we must and we will."
>>>Theadore Roosevelt
>>
>>They are OK/Alright Bucks!
>>
>>I Like the Acorn on the
>>one Buck!
>>
>>I've only Shot one Buck with
>>an Acorn!
>>
>>That's What Hunting should be!
>>
>>No F'N ATV's & They were
>>Earned!
>>
>>Nice Job to the Son &
>>His Dad!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>Lets change all the rules, regs.
>and low tag numbers just
>so ole Elkass can
>hunt the way he thinks
>hunting should be like.
> What a great idea.
>Good grief!

Let's Change it even more to ridgetops way of Thinking!

If it has Nubs,Shoot that poor little Bastard before somebody-else does!

JUDAS!

F'N!

PRIEST!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

ridgetops · May 6, 2019

I haven't had much of a problem finding bucks with a little bit more than "nubs" in the past few years. If you hunted half as hard as you complained, I'm sure you'd have an impressive collection bone. Sweet dreams Elkass.

Muley_73 · May 6, 2019

LAST EDITED ON May-06-19 AT 08:20PM (MST)[p]Bess,
The same song and dance and the same clowns supporting it. Bottom line is Utah manages poorly for its deer. I have talked to multiple biologist from other states and they literally laugh at Utah buck doe ratios. In fact if Utahs own biologist don't toe the line they seem to disappear. I know Utah biologist that recommended tag cuts on units they manage and the higher ups not only did not cut tags they propose additional tags. Its pathetic and completely irresponsible mismanagement of a resource.

deerkiller · May 6, 2019

Ridge has killed more GS giants consistently than anyone I personally know. And he didn't need to be on any brostaffs to do it. If you think his deer are a little more than just ?nubs?, I can see why you're so disappointed with Utah?s quality. Chit the Henry?s in the glory days wouldn't have even met your standards!

Utah hunting is what you make it. If you want opportunity, there's plenty. If you want trophy, there's plenty of that too. The real hunters are the guys who turn opportunities into trophies. And they do it year after year. If you spent as much time behind your glass as you do complaining on this site, you'd see Utah isn't as bad as you think

deerkiller · May 6, 2019

>LAST EDITED ON May-06-19
>AT 08:20?PM (MST)
>
>Bess,
>The same song and dance and
>the same clowns supporting it.
> Bottom line is Utah
>manages poorly for its deer.
> I have talked to
>multiple biologist from other states
>and they literally laugh at
>Utah buck doe ratios.
>In fact if Utahs own
>biologist don't toe the line
>they seem to disappear.
>I know Utah biologist that
>recommended tag cuts on units
>they manage and the higher
>ups not only did not
>cut tags they propose additional
>tags. Its pathetic and
>completely irresponsible mismanagement of a
>resource.

I imagine Idaho would be on the list of states that think they manage deer better than Utah? ?

Crndgs8 · May 6, 2019

>Ridge has killed more GS giants
>consistently than anyone I personally
>know. And he didn't need
>to be on any brostaffs
>to do it. If you
>think his deer are a
>little more than just ?nubs?,
>I can see why you're
>so disappointed with Utah?s quality.
>Chit the Henry?s in the
>glory days wouldn't have even
>met your standards!
>
>Utah hunting is what you make
>it. If you want opportunity,
>there's plenty. If you want
>trophy, there's plenty of that
>too. The real hunters are
>the guys who turn opportunities
> into trophies. And they
>do it year after year.
>If you spent as much
>time behind your glass as
>you do complaining on this
>site, you'd see Utah isn't
>as bad as you think
>

Pretty much sums it up... hell of a nice guy and willing to help out where he can as well.

elkassassin · May 6, 2019

>LAST EDITED ON May-06-19
>AT 08:20?PM (MST)
>
>Bess,
>The same song and dance and
>the same clowns supporting it.
> Bottom line is Utah
>manages poorly for its deer.
> I have talked to
>multiple biologist from other states
>and they literally laugh at
>Utah buck doe ratios.
>In fact if Utahs own
>biologist don't toe the line
>they seem to disappear.
>I know Utah biologist that
>recommended tag cuts on units
>they manage and the higher
>ups not only did not
>cut tags they propose additional
>tags. Its pathetic and
>completely irresponsible mismanagement of a
>resource.

I Hear You on that Muley!

Too Bad your Dad Ain't Managing Deer in this State!

He's Forgot more about it than most will ever know!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

elkhunterUT · May 7, 2019

Don?t you guys know-Elkass doesn't hunt, he just likes to complain about it ?

Every year I think he might go hunting, but he is too busy here on these forums to do anything else.

Muley_73 · May 7, 2019

800,000-1.2 million mule deer in the state of Utah, current numbers are 300,000-350,000. But its all ok because ridgetop is an nice guy and has shot a few big bucks. Sounds like a solid management plan.

Unit has buck doe ratio over the objective by 5 bucks. Increase tags, next year unit is under the objective but the 3 year average is still 3 bucks over the objective. Increase tags. 3rd year, units is 15 bucks lower but still averages 1 buck over the average, Increase tags. The trend shows the unit declining considerably but the recommendation is to still increase tags. The excuse is that is what the Mule Deer Plan says to do (a watered down manipulated plan). Yet that same plan states that if fawn survival drops tags will be decreased. Does that happen? No the answer is oh lets wait and see what happens next year. Unit is 1 or 2 bucks under objective, cut tags? No lets wait and see if it bounces back. Its always the same and thus the numbers from above. Mismanagement supported by those unwilling to be actual conservationist.

Bess, complains because it is true and has been since the late 80s. He still hunts and I still hunt. Doesn't change the fact that it is a travesty!

ridgetops · May 7, 2019

Muley, what unit are you talking about? Specifically? There have been units with tags lowered this year. Including the Beaver.

Packout · May 7, 2019

Wait, is this discussion about the health of the deer herd or growing antlers to shoot?

I wonder how strong the herds would be if we could carry 3x the bucks? Bet we'd see amazing herd growth like we do on the Henry Mtns, the Pauns, and even the Book Cliffs.

The Pauns carries over 50 bucks per 100 doe and the average age of bucks killed is over 5 years old so that unit must be growing deer faster than the doe hunters can shoot them. Can't be any reason to worry about the Pauns except it is growing deer so fast maybe we can transplant some. And the transplants will be just as successful as the other deer transplants. KSL just did an article about how successful those were.

Don't you guys know it is the tens of thousands of doe we shoot every year that is keeping the herd down. I mean, so many wanted "Colorado" type management and they fought for that so we must be shooting doe deer at the same rate as Colorado.

Not having a million deer can't be a change in habitat. Nope, nothing to see here, move along. Can't be that we have 10 times the elk as we did in the 60s. Can't be the roads intersecting migration routes. Not the housing and cabin developments in the past 50 years. Nor is it the increased technology and long-range bangers. Can't be that Utah's human population has increased 4 fold. Nope. But if we could just have 1080 back, we'd have a million deer in Utah again......

Yep- must be the UDWR's fault. I hear they don't want any deer in the State. Dirty, rotten scoundrels. They are not conservationists, nor are the hunters who buy the tags. Only conservationists around here drop coin thru special interest groups to obtain their tags. Then the real conservationists shoot them with long range guns bought at the special events.

And on a serious note- Ridge has bucks off general season, public lands units that are bigger than some Gov tag bucks. And that is an actual fact.

Muley_73 · May 7, 2019

Packout,
Glad to see one of the clowns show up in person. You yourself knows that the Mule Deer Plan was force fed and it is not being followed as laid out.

You are right that you can't have all the elk, all the development, all of the roads, all of the technologies and expect the same deer herds....Yet we continue to issue tags at a rate that drops our buck doe ratios below a biologically natural level. Tags are one of the few things that can be controlled and they are generally the last thing that we address.

As far as CO type management. The 30 units only works if properly managed. Utah refuses to do so. Status quo as supported by the silent (but we think we know what they want) majority. Colorado has a state plan for 40 buck per 100 doe. That is a statewide objective. Utah only has 2 units total that have an objective as high as 40...2 total!!!! Hell even our LE units are only 25-35, that's considered a poor unit in CO that needs some attention.

Ridge,
I know Beaver cut a few tags, as did Fishlake and Monroe. All about 2 years too late (Back to my fawn to doe ratio comments, "lets wait and see what happens"). But the higher up plan for those cuts was to add tags to other units, even units that the local biologist was recommending cuts on as well. It is a money game and not a healthy biological game, that is proven fact!

elkassassin · May 7, 2019

I Never seen anybody Post that ridgetops never shot any decent Bucks in His day!

I like to Raise His Blood Pressure a little before Season!

Anybody thinking the Deer management in this State is Great/Top Notch are Either Too Young to know any different or Mighty GAWD-DAMNED Blind!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

Muley_73 · May 7, 2019

And here we have another sound conservationist chiming in.

Lee, with his usual stance..."And I don't know nor care how many Mature Bucks/6+ Years Old were counted, 'cause it doesn't or shouldn't make any difference. This is, after all, A GENERAL DEER unit. Ya know, AN OPPORTUNITY unit!"

I recently watched a hunter on Randy Newbergs show. He made a comment that I thought was profound. He said he gets the opportunity to go after deer that are an old age class. The way he put is was wonderful..."the pinnacle of what that species can be". Now that is something to strive for. More meat to eat in the end, yet you have allowed and helped a species realize its full potential.

I know that the term "trophy hunter" has been used against hunters and is now even used by other hunters to justify certain stances on harvest and opportunity. But I think I will always stand in the camp that pushes for helping a species reach its maximum potential. We currently have to many takers of a fragile resource and we justify it continually. When people like myself question that the immediate response by others is "then sit out". then don't shoot a deer. ect. ect. My personal push has always been for more balanced and healthy herds. It will never be to shoot as many as possible to keep people happy and hope that the resource will hang on.

800,000 plus to 300,000.......PATHETIC AND IRRESPONSIBLE!!!

theox · May 7, 2019

>LAST EDITED ON May-04-19
>AT 04:09?PM (MST)
>
>LAST EDITED ON May-04-19
>AT 03:54?PM (MST)
>
>>So, why would they add 300
>>more tags in the Pine
>>Valley general unit?
>
>Because the Pine Valley unit is
>OVER it's population objective AND
>it's buck to doe ratio
>per the unit plan and
>it has been since at
>least 2016.
>
>In fact, if we were to
>try to bring it down
>to the numbers in the
>plan in one year (this
>year), we would have to
>issue at least 849 more
>buck tags and 2,131 more
>antlerless tags than the DWR
>and Wildlife Board voted for.
>
>
>The numbers:
>Current deer Population =
>19,700
>Deer Population Objective = 16,000
>Extra Deer
>
>
> = 3,700
>
>Current # of bucks
>= 3,822 (24/100 b/d
>ratio x 19,700 deer)
># of bucks per plan
>= 2,673 (20/100 b/d
>ratio x 16,000 deer)
>Extra Bucks
>
>= 1,149
>
>Current # of does
> = 15,878 (24/100 b/d
>ratio x 19,700 deer)
># of does per plan
> = 13,327 (20/100 b/d
>ratio x 16,000 deer)
>Extra does
>
> = 2,551
>
>The DWR and the Wildlife Board
>stated they want to be
>more compliant with the Mule
>Deer Plan(s) and keep the
>numbers within the unit plan
>as well as the Statewide
>plan, but they want to
>do it gradually, thus the
>300 additional buck tags and
>no new doe tags.

No way that unit is 3700 over objective. Maybe 3-5 years ago but this last year or 2 has been pretty lousy. Wonder where the extra deer are hanging out cause the area I hunt there are wayyyy fewer deer the last 2 years then there has been the previous 3-5. The reason I am changing units. It's been so over talked it's hard to draw and the quality is no better than any other unit around here. People saw a few giants killed The first year or two on the late muzz hunt and suddenly thought it was the Henry?s.

elkassassin · May 7, 2019

Hey Muley!

For Most it's:

"I Filled My Tag"

"I Needed the Meat"

The List goes on & on!

As Long as they Can Shoot a Dink this year,Shoot another Dink Next year,shoot another Ding the Following year.......................................!

That Last Comment pertains to people like efa!

(((No,Ridge,Coty,deerkiller,Crn,not you Guys!)))

I've already Ruffled your Panties!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

Scottieoutwest1 · May 7, 2019

Maybe it's time for hunters to let other hunters shoot whatever they're happy with legally shooting? It's up to each individual to decide what they're looking for from a given hunt. If you want any legal deer then the choice is yours. If you want a B&C buck then you are making that choice as well.

Muley_73 · May 7, 2019

Scottie,
How about we figure out how to get back to 800,000-1.2 million mule deer in Utah and then you can do just that! You have any ideas on how to accomplish that? Or are you just interested in shooting deer until we have less than 300k or 200k or 100k? What's your number? Just shoot til they are gone?

elkassassin · May 7, 2019

>Maybe it's time for hunters to
>let other hunters shoot whatever
>they're happy with legally shooting?
>It's up to each individual
>to decide what they're looking
>for from a given hunt.
>If you want any legal
>deer then the choice is
>yours. If you want a
>B&C buck then you are
>making that choice as well.
>

How bout We get back to that?

WTF?

WTF You Been?

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

ridgetops · May 7, 2019

>Scottie,
>How about we figure out how
>to get back to 800,000-1.2
>million mule deer in Utah
>and then you can do
>just that! You have
>any ideas on how to
>accomplish that? Or are you
>just interested in shooting deer
>until we have less than
>300k or 200k or 100k?
> What's your number?
>Just shoot til they are
>gone?

Hyperbole at its finest!

ridgetops · May 7, 2019

Hey Muley, ever thought that the deer herds were way over populated in the 80s and that was one of the main reasons why the herds crashed as hard as they did in the early 90s?
Maybe it's possible that now days many of the herds are as big as the habitat will let them get, no matter how little they get hunted.

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elkassassin · May 7, 2019

>
>Hey Muley, ever thought that the
>deer herds were way over
>populated in the 80s and
>that was one of the
>main reasons why the herds
>crashed as hard as they
>did in the early 90s?
>
>Maybe it's possible that now days
>many of the herds are
>as big as the habitat
>will let them get, no
>matter how little they get
>hunted.
>
>
>
>
>
>see my latest wildlife pictures on
>I.G.
> Follow me @ antler_chaser_

As Big as the Habitat will let them get?

How bout this?

As Big as PISS POOR MANAGEMENT & GREED will let them get?

Just trying to Get your Blood Pressure up where it needs to be ridgetops!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

Muley_73 · May 7, 2019

Ridge,
In some areas without question the landscape and habit have changed. In others not at all. When I see units loosing deer to starvation them it's time to look at more harvest including does, also look at the habitat and see if it truly can be rehabilitated to feed more deer. Plenty of opportunity to do that with 30 units. But that would take better and more thorough management than we have experienced in the past.

Packout · May 7, 2019

Colorado manages the State for 40 to 100 buck/doe. That is some funny stuff there. You really should educate yourself before coming on the net and spreading falsehoods- because they don't.

As someone who was in the room and saw a committee of 20+ individuals look at various management strategies for the "Plan", I think I might understand it well enough to say nothing was shoved down the throats of the committee. There was one fellow on there that left kind of sullen, but that was because he didn't get much support for his ideas. He did win in the end- congrats. But you are correct, the UDWR is not following the Plan because of how many units are over B/D objectives and some units far exceeding population objectives.

I am pretty dang proud that I got the migration studies placed in the Plan. Nice that everyone agreed on that idea and sweet to see the fruits. I tend to worry more about doe and fawns than 6 year old bucks.

I still come back to the fact that Utah's Premier deer units are the ones struggling the most. All we hear about is how the Book Cliffs needs a special committee to look into the problems and Why are the Pauns and Henrys not producing. Sad really, must be those conservationists loving the deer to death.

So how is carrying 40-50 bucks (something you have advocated for in the past) per 100 doe going to help the herd grow to 1 million?

To get Utah's herds to 40-50 B/D ratios, we'd have similar permit ratios to the Henry/Pauns- 10,000-15,000 permits state wide. Is that what you are after?

And why do you support LE deer rut hunts on GS units that have 20 bucks per 100 doe?

I'll await your answers as I polish my big red shoes. But I won't hold my breath.

..

Muley_73 · May 7, 2019

LAST EDITED ON May-07-19 AT 11:23PM (MST)[p]Mike,
Please share what CO current buck doe ratios are? I believe post hunt they are around 28-30. Are they counted the same as Utah?s? My understand is, no. If you counted the way Utah does they would be well over 40 on many of not most units. But hey it's all about how you spin it...right?

Also myself having know others in the room of the Mule Deer Plan, I know that you personally were more than happy to swallow. So I'm sure you didn't feel force fed.

If the shoe fits wear my friend.

grizzly · May 7, 2019

LAST EDITED ON May-07-19 AT 11:22PM (MST)[p]According to this link, Colorado is managed to 30:100.

This link is a quick little read and only takes a few minutes, but it's pretty interesting regarding herd management, license numbers, buck:doe ratios, etc...

https://cpw.state.co.us/learn/Pages/CO-MuleDeerStoryP06.aspx

Grizzly

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Muley_73 · May 7, 2019

Grizz,
I'll ask you as well. Does CO count buck to doe ratio the same as Utah??? I do not believe they do.

elkassassin · May 7, 2019

Anybody that SUCKS Buck to Doe Ratio's in as Proper Management for a Herd is Blinder than they know!

And I Quote:

We Only Got a 100 Head left on the Unit But BY GAWD Our Buck to Doe Ratio is Great,12-16 MOTL Bucks doing the Breeding come Rut Time Breeding their own Mothers!

We need a few Mature Bucks Left & Alive come Rut Time to do some of the Breeding!

I Can show you a few Units where there are None or so few you can't even see them during the Rut!

SAD!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

Scottieoutwest1 · May 7, 2019

>Scottie,
>How about we figure out how
>to get back to 800,000-1.2
>million mule deer in Utah
>and then you can do
>just that! You have
>any ideas on how to
>accomplish that? Or are you
>just interested in shooting deer
>until we have less than
>300k or 200k or 100k?
> What's your number?
>Just shoot til they are
>gone?

As a NR to the state I am forced to accept whatever management plan the state has in place. If they want to cut tags then so be it. If they decide to increase them I'm fine with that as well. That has nothing to do with my original comment. My original comment points out the fact that my hunt standards may be completely different from yours and as long as both are within legal limits both are acceptable. Neither more so than the other. I'm simply not interested in criticizing another hunter for their standards possibly being different than mine. This attitude towards others is counterproductive.

southernutahhunter · May 8, 2019

The way I understand the buck to doe count and tag distribution, is they do a 3 year average. This is an awful system. You may have had 25 bucks per hundred does 3 years ago and 20 bucks last year, but only 15 this year. The average of those 3 years is 20, so they keep the same number of tags or increase them when really the buck ratio at present time is down to 15 bucks to 100 does. Now that really make some great sense! And how do they find the 100 does? There are areas that I hunted where I saw the same group of 10 does everyday. I guess if I counted the same 10 does for 10 days I could come up with 100. Until there is some admittance that the deer herd is down, nothing is going to change.

goofyelk · May 8, 2019

I absolutely hate the 3 year average system Utah uses.

Especially on lion and bear management.
It SUCKS!

Robiland · May 8, 2019

One thing that I think will help to get actual numbers is a mandatory harvest survey or you can not apply the next year. I have a friend who has set this system up for other states and wants to do it here, but Utah doesnt want to do it, yet. So if any of you have an in or know somebody that will want it done let me know. I will put him touch.

But a mandatory report will help what our actual #'s are for success.

deerkiller · May 8, 2019

I think there needs to be a mandatory harvest reporting for all species that require a tag to hunt them. antlerless, OIL, GS, LE, OTC, turkey, etc.... I honestly believe the state has not even the slightest clue on the numbers of animals harvested each year. I wouldn't even call it an educated guess. ive never been called for a GS deer harvest survey. I get the GS elk survey about once every 3-4 years. ive killed elk every year. I know I'm not the only one who frequently kills elk every year and doesn't get called, yet the division publishes success rates every year...? something is very broke. and until we really get an accurate picture of what is really getting killed every year, we wont ever begin to fix it.

Muley_73 · May 8, 2019

Correct, now some of you are talking about real management.

Tikka · May 8, 2019

>One thing that I think will
>help to get actual numbers
>is a mandatory harvest survey
>or you can not apply
>the next year. I have
>a friend who has set
>this system up for other
>states and wants to do
>it here, but Utah doesnt
>want to do it, yet.
> So if any of
>you have an in or
>know somebody that will want
>it done let me know.
> I will put him
>touch.
>
>But a mandatory report will help
>what our actual #'s are
>for success.

X2, this needs to happen!

Shadow · May 8, 2019

I agree with a mandatory harvest report. Require it on every tag, if an online survey isn't completed by January 31, you can't apply for anything the following year, just like the LE. Not that everyone is honest with their answer but at least it's better than calls we don't seem to get.

BillyBoB · May 8, 2019

LAST EDITED ON May-08-19 AT 01:28PM (MST)[p]I think a mandatory survey requirement for eligibility to hunt the following year would gain a lot of support if this was proposed to the RACs and WB. I would back it!

Like others have stated, I also think the 3 year average is ridiculous and it only fuels my assumption that it's only used because they don't have a clue what the real numbers are.
Even giving them the benefit of the doubt and say the numbers are close to being accurate, the numbers from three years ago is irrelevant today.

They should at least be setting current tag numbers based off of the previous years data. Not the 3 year average

"Wildlife and its habitat cannot speak. So
we must and we will."
Theadore Roosevelt

Muley_73 · May 8, 2019

Scottie,
As a resident of Utah my point is that even if legal the management practices have herd our deer herds. And those that chose opportunity over sound biological management hurt our herds, whether they are hunters or not. So I am fine if you an others want to younger deer...as long as it is not preventing healthier and stronger herds for the future. You disinterest and high horse attitude actually hurts the resource that hunters are working to protect and increase.

woodruffhunter · May 11, 2019

LAST EDITED ON May-11-19 AT 10:21PM (MST)[p]Keep up the good fight Bessie.

Utah deer hunting is a JOKE and the elk HAVE gone down hill!

It's amazing what happens when the population does well. Greed kick in and too many tags are issued.

Switching gears to antelope, in my home unit..... You used to be able to count count 30 bucks in one outing! Then, it was decided to issue a two doe permit(2). I guess one tag wouldn't kill them off fast enough. Although we still have some antelope, it is not even 10 to 20% of what it used to be.

It's the same mentality with deer and elk, GREED!

But, what would I know? I'm not a biologist and just live here........

ridgetops · May 11, 2019

>LAST EDITED ON May-11-19
>AT 10:21?PM (MST)
>
>Keep up the good fight Bessie.
>
>
>Utah deer hunting is a JOKE
>and the elk HAVE gone
>down hill!
>
>It's amazing what happens when the
>population does well. Greed
>kick in and too many
>tags are issued.
>
>Switching gears to antelope, in my
>home unit..... You used
>to be able to count
>count 30 bucks in one
>outing! Then, it was
>decided to issue a two
>doe permit(2). I guess
>one tag wouldn't kill them
>off fast enough. Although
>we still have some antelope,
>it is not even 10
>to 20% of what it
>used to be.
>
>It's the same mentality with deer
>and elk, GREED!
>
>But, what would I know?
>I'm not a biologist and
>just live here........

"keep up the good fight Bessie"
Really?
If Bess had his way, the whole state would be managed like the Henry's and Pauns.
That would mean getting to hunt every 20+ years.
That's something I hope we never see!

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Muley_73 · May 12, 2019

Ridge,
You do understand there can be ground between how the Pauns and Henry?s and how the general units are managed, yes? And no it would not be 20 years between tags. That stance and thought process keeps us locked into poor management. Many many many options to improve the management and health is the herds and not destroy opportunity. It just takes effort and open mindedness.

elkassassin · May 12, 2019

Ridgetops don't Pay Much F'N Attention!

I Never said We need all Units managed like Pauns & the Henry's!

What I Have Said is We Don't need to Hunt Units to Death/PISSCUTTERS!

We Need a Few Good Bucks Left come Rut Time!

If You Don't Understand that Part You're Blinder than I Thought You were!

PISSCUTTER Bucks doing the Breeding wouldn't be a Big issue if they were packin Good Genetics!

Well Guess What?

When a Buck that's Breeding it's Mother,Who's Dad was a Spike,Who's Granddad was a Spike,who's Great Granddad was a Spike,Well now We got a Problem!

You Comprehendo?

You Act Like all Units are Managed perfectly!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

ridgetops · May 12, 2019

>Ridge,
>You do understand there can be
>ground between how the Pauns
>and Henry?s and how the
>general units are managed, yes?
> And no it would
>not be 20 years between
>tags. That stance and
>thought process keeps us locked
>into poor management. Many
>many many options to improve
>the management and health is
>the herds and not destroy
>opportunity. It just takes
>effort and open mindedness.

I love how you always feel the need to come to the rescue for your buddy Bess.
Bess has said in the past he would like to see most units have a high percentage of 6 year old bucks to hunt. I think you somewhat feel the same.
The only way that can happen is to severely cut tags and I'm not for that type of hunter management.
I believe any unit that has a buck to doe ratio around 20/100 has plenty of mature bucks to do the breeding.

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elkassassin · May 12, 2019

>>Ridge,
>>You do understand there can be
>>ground between how the Pauns
>>and Henry?s and how the
>>general units are managed, yes?
>> And no it would
>>not be 20 years between
>>tags. That stance and
>>thought process keeps us locked
>>into poor management. Many
>>many many options to improve
>>the management and health is
>>the herds and not destroy
>>opportunity. It just takes
>>effort and open mindedness.
>
>I love how you always feel
>the need to come to
>the rescue for your buddy
>Bess.
>Bess has said in the past
>he would like to see
>most units have a high
>percentage of 6 year old
>bucks to hunt. I think
>you somewhat feel the same.
>
>The only way that can happen
>is to severely cut tags
>and I'm not for that
>type of hunter management.
>I believe any unit that has
>a buck to doe ratio
>around 20/100 has plenty of
>mature bucks to do the
>breeding.

And that might be True in some Units!

But You Sound just like the DWR with Your BS Buck to Doe Ratio Management!

And I Quote From other States that Laugh at Our Buck to Doe Management:

Utah is Proud!

They only Got a couple 100 Head left on a couple Units!

But BY GAWD The Buck to Doe Ratio is Good!

15-20 MOTL Bucks per 100 Does!

So let's issue some more tags!

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Let Me SPLAIN Something to You ridgetops!

A Healthy Deer Herd will Take care of itself!

Worked for alot of years!

But then the Brain Storms of This State Started their PISS POOR Management Plans!

This State Will Grow Big Bucks just about anywhere in the State!

WHEN F'N MANAGED PROPERLY!

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>
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>I.G.
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I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

Bocephus · May 12, 2019

Bess with over 20k posts on this site when do you have time to hunt or see what's going on? I know there isn't much to do in the basin, but at least get a little sun. The only time you crawl out of your den is to go support your $FW Buddies at the expo? I know Vernal at least has a movie theater you could catch a flick. When I was going to school in Strangely that was the "big city" life!

elkassassin · May 12, 2019

>Bess with over 20k posts on
>this site when do you
>have time to hunt or
>see what's going on? I
>know there isn't much to
>do in the basin, but
>at least get a little
>sun. The only time you
>crawl out of your den
>is to go support your
>$FW Buddies at the expo?
>I know Vernal at least
>has a movie theater you
>could catch a flick. When
>I was going to school
>in Strangely that was the
>"big city" life!

Well Bo?

How many Days did You Spend in the Book Cliffs last year?

Or any other Unit?

I Wasn't Hunting!

Damn Sure was Looking!

Would You like to go for a Ride this Fall & We'll take a close look at POOR Management?

Maybe You can Show me things I Can't see?

Gonna Pass on the Show though!

Bring Your Camera & We Will make a Show on what We know a Unit once was & what the same Unit Looks like today!

I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces

It Ain't Easy being Me!

ridgetops · May 12, 2019

>Bess with over 20k posts on
>this site when do you
>have time to hunt or
>see what's going on? I
>know there isn't much to
>do in the basin, but
>at least get a little
>sun. The only time you
>crawl out of your den
>is to go support your
>$FW Buddies at the expo?
>I know Vernal at least
>has a movie theater you
>could catch a flick. When
>I was going to school
>in Strangely that was the
>"big city" life!

That's just with his new name. He probably had twice that many under bobcatbess!

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ridgetops · May 12, 2019

>>Bess with over 20k posts on
>>this site when do you
>>have time to hunt or
>>see what's going on? I
>>know there isn't much to
>>do in the basin, but
>>at least get a little
>>sun. The only time you
>>crawl out of your den
>>is to go support your
>>$FW Buddies at the expo?
>>I know Vernal at least
>>has a movie theater you
>>could catch a flick. When
>>I was going to school
>>in Strangely that was the
>>"big city" life!
>
>
>Well Bo?
>
>How many Days did You Spend
>in the Book Cliffs last
>year?
>
>Or any other Unit?
>
>I Wasn't Hunting!
>
>Damn Sure was Looking!
>
>Would You like to go for
>a Ride this Fall &
>We'll take a close look
>at POOR Management?
>
>Maybe You can Show me things
>I Can't see?
>
>Gonna Pass on the Show though!
>
>
>Bring Your Camera & We Will
>make a Show on what
>We know a Unit once
>was & what the same
>Unit Looks like today!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Bess,
If you'll buy my gas, I'll meet you in Green River around mid November and we can take a ride out to Nash Wash. I'm sure we can find a few mature bucks doing the breeding.

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Muley_73 · May 12, 2019

Ridge,
No need to rescue anyone on this site. Most do just fine holding their own., Bess included. Again if you think it takes Henry?s and Pauns management to have 6 year old bucks you're only proving my point even more. I unlike Lee do believe you should have some 6 year and old bucks in the herd to be a healthy herd. To argue that is arguing pure biology and nature. Some of us are just more concerned about the health of the herds than slamming the helll out of immature bucks every year. I know that stance also stifles guys like yourself that have found a few big bucks and want a tag every year also. End of the day the mule deer are struggling, that is a fact and guys like yourself aren't concerned with that fact as you are with having a tag every season. I don't begrudge the tag every year I'd like to see the tag numbers increase...but I'm more concerned about losing 2/3 of our deer herd. Once we figure you how to have more bucks then we can figure out how many of them to kill. But currently now we put killing them ahead of addressing that issue.

ridgetops · May 13, 2019

>Ridge,
>No need to rescue anyone on
>this site. Most do
>just fine holding their own.,
>Bess included. Again if
>you think it takes Henry?s
>and Pauns management to have
>6 year old bucks you're
>only proving my point even
>more. I unlike Lee
>do believe you should have
>some 6 year and old
>bucks in the herd to
>be a healthy herd.
>To argue that is arguing
>pure biology and nature.
>Some of us are just
>more concerned about the health
>of the herds than slamming
>the helll out of immature
>bucks every year. I
>know that stance also
>stifles guys like yourself that
>have found a few big
>bucks and want a tag
>every year also. End
>of the day the mule
>deer are struggling, that is
>a fact and guys like
> yourself aren't concerned with
>that fact as you are
>with having a tag every
>season. I don't begrudge
>the tag every year I'd
>like to see the tag
>numbers increase...but I'm more concerned
>about losing 2/3 of our
>deer herd. Once we
>figure you how to have
>more bucks then we can
>figure out how many of
>them to kill.
>But currently now we put
>killing them ahead of addressing
>that issue. _

I think we're getting somewhere. What percentage of the post season bucks should be 5+ years old? Or what percentage would you like to see on our general season units? And what would you like to see on out LEs?
And where are those numbers now?

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