Moving Question

mobertok · Feb 22, 2019

Hi everyone! I understand the animosity that some might feel about many people moving into your state from less desirable states. Having said that, I am from far northern Ca, I don't share most if not all the view points as the majority of Californians. I support the 2nd amendment 100%, of course. I respect the outdoors and land owners.
I have been researching on where to move in your great (Gem) state. I am 55 at this time and my wife will be with me. My primary hunting will be Mule deer and Elk + Coyotes. would like to try some Whitetail at some point too. I have looked at Salmon, Twin Falls, New meadows area. I would prefer to be close to my hunts but not super far from hospitals. I have looked at other places too. I don't have the money to live in a ritzy area so lower cost of living is nice.

I am asking for suggestions on the places I have mentioned and other areas that might suit my needs.
Thank you, Mark

Alwayshunting · Feb 22, 2019

Well, here's my take on the whole deal. With plenty of experience sadly...

Ppl come from California, they say "Thank gawd we're out of that hell hole, can't stand it!"

Give them a few months and they say "You hillbillies are doing this all wrong! Let us show you what's proper!" Ie smoking in bars and plenty of other issues I don't care to list...

Then ten years later, after getting things changed to their liking they say... "This place sucks as bad as California and its colder! Don't know why I left!"

Having said that, all of the places you mentioned are close to medical and reasonably priced to live. Twin has come a LONG WAYS in ten years as far as medical and just all around conveniences... But you'll be moving with the rest of the crowd that you all seem to be trying to be trying to get away from?

Things that make you go huh...

mobertok · Feb 22, 2019

>Well, here's my take on the
>whole deal. With plenty of
>experience sadly...
>
>Ppl come from California, they say
>"Thank gawd we're out of
>that hell hole, can't stand
>it!"
>
>Give them a few months and
>they say "You hillbillies are
>doing this all wrong! Let
>us show you what's proper!"
>Ie smoking in bars and
>plenty of other issues I
>don't care to list...
>
>Then ten years later, after getting
>things changed to their liking
>they say... "This place sucks
>as bad as California and
>its colder! Don't know why
>I left!"
>
>Having said that, all of the
>places you mentioned are close
>to medical and reasonably priced
>to live. Twin has come
>a LONG WAYS in ten
>years as far as medical
>and just all around conveniences...
>But you'll be moving with
>the rest of the crowd
>that you all seem to
>be trying to be trying
>to get away from?
>
>Things that make you go huh...
>

I certainly know what you are talking about, I have heard some of the same things. I currently live in a very small rural town now for about 20 yrs, approximately 500 people. I also grew up in a small town of about 500-1000 people.
I am not into changing anything at all, just want a comfortable place to live and hunt + trap, we can only use live traps (what a crock) Thank you for your input.

mobertok · Feb 22, 2019

Alwayshuntin, do you mind telling me where you live and do you like it their?

missalot · Feb 23, 2019

So, here's the problem.... you say you live in a town with 500 people, we have those in Idaho. You (and the 5,000 people reading this thread) move there, guess what, it's not a town with 500 people anymore! Idaho USED to be a state with uncrowded streets, lakes and forests, not so anymore. But you come here anyway. Then you brag to all of your buddies back home about "the great place you found". They start thinking about joining you because "why not? There's no one out there". Well, that's not true anymore. People ALWAYS say "but I'm not your normal Californian and I don't want to change anything" but your presence alone changes everything.To make matters worse, as the population grows, it becomes economically feasible for businesses to locate here, healthcare to improve and life becomes easier and more comfortable which now brings folks who are NOT outdoors people but like looking at mountains through a picture window, like seeing a deer walk through their yard or hear a wolf far off in the distance calling at night. These folks want to take their motorhome up to the mountains (complete with picture window) to "experience" nature. They don't want you shooting "their" deer or even the wolf that preys upon those deer where they can't see it. Laws get changed, Idaho becomes Northern California, the it becomes Southern California. I understand a person's desire to get out of California, but if you can't do your research without asking where you should go, then you should stay home because everyone here, did so to get away from you and all of the friends who will follow you here. Where should you go? Go to Alaska, go to Utah, heck, lots of land available in Nevada and they have great deer and elk hunting. Just don't come here. We don't like non-resident hunters but we like non-resident transplants even less. Our lakes, mountains, cities and streams are becoming crowded and that is not why we live here. Asking someone in Idaho where you should move to is like asking a father if you can borrow their daughter for a weekend of wild sex, don't do it.

Homer · Feb 23, 2019

>So, here's the problem.... you say
>you live in a town
>with 500 people, we have
>those in Idaho. You (and
>the 5,000 people reading this
>thread) move there, guess what,
>it's not a town with
>500 people anymore! Idaho USED
>to be a state with
>uncrowded streets, lakes and forests,
>not so anymore. But you
>come here anyway. Then you
>brag to all of your
>buddies back home about "the
>great place you found". They
>start thinking about joining you
>because "why not? There's no
>one out there". Well, that's
>not true anymore. People ALWAYS
>say "but I'm not your
>normal Californian and I don't
>want to change anything" but
>your presence alone changes everything.To
>make matters worse, as the
>population grows, it becomes economically
>feasible for businesses to locate
>here, healthcare to improve and
>life becomes easier and more
>comfortable which now brings folks
>who are NOT outdoors people
>but like looking at mountains
>through a picture window, like
>seeing a deer walk through
>their yard or hear a
>wolf far off in the
>distance calling at night. These
>folks want to take their
>motorhome up to the mountains
>(complete with picture window) to
>"experience" nature. They don't want
>you shooting "their" deer or
>even the wolf that preys
>upon those deer where they
>can't see it. Laws get
>changed, Idaho becomes Northern California,
>the it becomes Southern California.
>I understand a person's desire
>to get out of California,
>but if you can't do
>your research without asking where
>you should go, then you
>should stay home because everyone
>here, did so to get
>away from you and all
>of the friends who will
>follow you here. Where should
>you go? Go to Alaska,
>go to Utah, heck, lots
>of land available in Nevada
>and they have great deer
>and elk hunting. Just don't
>come here. We don't like
>non-resident hunters but we like
>non-resident transplants even less. Our
>lakes, mountains, cities and streams
>are becoming crowded and that
>is not why we live
>here. Asking someone in Idaho
>where you should move to
>is like asking a father
>if you can borrow their
>daughter for a weekend of
>wild sex, don't do it.
>

WOW....I doubt truer words have ever been spoken.....

...the more things change...the more they stay the same.....

GOODWIN: Dems really do love Republicans -- when they're dead...

live2farm · Feb 23, 2019

This pretty much sums it up.

maddog58 · Feb 23, 2019

Wow, can't believe A guy asking about where to live can get such a shitty attitude directed at him. He just is curious about the land of perfect people ?

andrew12gauge · Feb 23, 2019

If you move here just move to Ada county and be sure and hunt unit 39 along with all the other California transplants

missalot · Feb 23, 2019

It has nothing to do with perfect people, however at one time it may have been a "perfect place". Americans have never fought hard enough to protect what they have from the effects of outsiders who move here and bring with them changes that effect everything. It used to be that countries like Australia and Canada protected themselves from foreigners from buying up there land. I don't know if Australia has changed, but I do know that Canada has changed greatly since it began letting everyone in to enjoy a piece of the pie. Americans have always welcomed everyone, which was once a very noble idea but one which is outdated and this country's downfall. Much the same, California was/is an incredible place until that is there was a never ending sea of foreigners. Ask the Native Americans if anything changes? Very few folks wanted anything to do with the Rocky Mountain states until their states became saturated and drove them out. Now, because everything has changed, many want to abandon ship and find greener places to live (sort of like a person who leaves their garbage wherever it lands, then moves on instead of cleaning it up). None of this would be happening if Californians weren't being gifted a huge pile of "funny money" from their over inflated property values. This allows them to do things without giving much thought to the consequences. No one who has resided in any area likes watching their ability to grow with that area disappear (as well as their way of life) because of a large influx of people. Bring in a huge influx of poor people and watch your way of life be diminished . Bring in a huge influx of people who have a wad on money to spend irresponsibly and it will change just as much. Property values increase beyond the earning power of the ability of those people who had previously were able to function under the constraints of a weaker economy. Now, the local people who were raised in the area can't even afford to live there and buy a house (much the way that many children of those living in California cannot afford to buy a home in the area that they grew up in). Idaho is not the first state to be invaded. Look at the metro areas of Colorado, Montana, Oregon and Washington. In EVERY one of those places, the attitudes of those who were there when the influx began is the same.
This doesn't make those seeking to move bad people, but it doesn't change the fact that they bring with them negative influences. I would suggest the folks of Utah would have the same attitudes if a large influx of people moved to their state and started trying to change all of those things about Mormonism that they felt were inappropriate.

Mallards_Only · Feb 24, 2019

As a CA transplant, I have mixed feelings on this one. I wanted to move to Idaho before it was popular and now I find myself pissed off at all the people like me moving here to get away from the $hit they created in CA. I feel your pain and feel like lying to people every time people ask me where I'm from. I'm ashamed to be from CA. Trust me when I tell you I did everything within my voting power to try and prevent what has happened with CA but liberal idiotology has ruined the state. Being from CA, I've watched as thousands of transplants from elsewhere have turned areas into congested nightmares. It happens everywhere--not just Idaho. Increasing populations are inevitable. Some places are increasing faster than others. CA was one of those places. Now, ID, TX, and UT are seeing it as a result of conservatives fleeing the destruction, otherwise known as CA. I do believe most of the early transplants from CA are pretty conservative-minded. What worries me are the extended family members of those conservatives who come to visit and see how nice it is here, failing to recognize it IS nice because it hasn't been run by liberals and because it isn't crowded with homeless and freeloaders. Then, they decide to move here too and bring their liberal attitudes with them because it is so nice and then try to change it. It bugged the crap out of me every time I told someone I was moving to Idaho and they would say, "everyone's moving to Idaho, maybe we should check it out too." Anyway, Idaho sucks. Don't move here. :}

missalot · Feb 24, 2019

Many of your points are valid and held by many of the early transplants. I heard a report on the news a few months ago that said over 100,000 people moved to Idaho in 2017 alone! With the information taken from driver's license records, they stated that most moved to Boise, Nampa area, followed by Sandpoint, Couer d'Alene area. Over 70% of those folks came from CA, mostly San Diego, the LA Basin and SF Bay Area (not what you would call country folk!).
It is inevitable that people move and it is something that cannot be stopped. That doesn't mean that folks here can't try to stem the tide. Has anyone seen any of the threads by realtors on the internet by Real Estate agents telling everyone why people should move to Idaho? These people only care about making money off of raping an area.
I remember meeting a guy from Portland back in 2008, who was telling me about the twenty acres he had bought near Sandpoint "back when it was cheap at $500,000.00!" In the late 80's, that same land was $1,000.00 an acre. Anyway, he proceeds to tell me how ecotourism is the new thing as people want to visit a place where they can see a moose and hear a wolf howl at night (of course, not realizing that those wolves wipe out the moose). His point was that the wolves should not be hunted and used the example that guides had offered wolf hunts up there and there were no takers (of course he didn't understand that there were no takers because no guide can offer any type of certainty that a client will even see a wolf). This is the mentality of the people moving to this state. Sure, there are a few sportsman whose dream has been to live in a place where they could enjoy activities without being looked down upon by others because of it. There are a few places in Idaho where that still exists but many where they don't. Every year, more McMansions go up along the Snake and more areas become unhuntable because these folks don't want you shooting at "their" ducks. Does anyone remember Lake Couer d'Alene BEFORE its shoreline was lined with houses built by out of staters moving there? Back when the water skiers used the big lake to ski, leaving the smaller lakes to the fisherman. Now, there are so many mega yachts on the lake that the skiers are forced to use the smaller lakes and do circles around the guys trying to fish.
I'm sure everyone here has their stories and most out of staters would still say that it's better than where they are coming from. Heck, maybe we should change our attitude and welcome everyone. Then when only city folks occupy California, we can move there and enjoy all those resources that city folk don't use. There's still plenty of great fishing, good hunting and better weather in California. We just need to get rid of the outdoorsman who live there and we would have it all to ourselves!

N_Corey · Feb 24, 2019

The tough part about it is all these areas are in the USA ?? so we all have an equal right to move to or enjoy them as we like. It's tough seeing areas you love change due to development and population growth but that's something that's going to continue. There?s still plenty of laid back peaceful areas in a lot of different states. I wouldn't publicize them on the internet but you you happen to move in next door I'll try to be a friendly neighbor because that's what makes redneck America great.

Mallards_Only · Feb 24, 2019

>Many of your points are valid
>and held by many of
>the early transplants. I heard
>a report on the news
>a few months ago that
>said over 100,000 people moved
>to Idaho in 2017 alone!
>With the information taken from
>driver's license records, they stated
>that most moved to Boise,
>Nampa area, followed by Sandpoint,
>Couer d'Alene area. Over 70%
>of those folks came from
>CA, mostly San Diego, the
>LA Basin and SF Bay
>Area (not what you would
>call country folk!).
>It is inevitable that people move
>and it is something that
>cannot be stopped. That doesn't
>mean that folks here can't
>try to stem the tide.
>Has anyone seen any of
>the threads by realtors on
>the internet by Real Estate
>agents telling everyone why people
>should move to Idaho? These
>people only care about making
>money off of raping an
>area.
>I remember meeting a guy from
>Portland back in 2008, who
>was telling me about the
>twenty acres he had bought
>near Sandpoint "back when it
>was cheap at $500,000.00!" In
>the late 80's, that same
>land was $1,000.00 an acre.
>Anyway, he proceeds to tell
>me how ecotourism is the
>new thing as people want
>to visit a place where
>they can see a moose
>and hear a wolf howl
>at night (of course, not
>realizing that those wolves wipe
>out the moose). His point
>was that the wolves should
>not be hunted and used
>the example that guides had
>offered wolf hunts up there
>and there were no takers
>(of course he didn't understand
>that there were no takers
>because no guide can offer
>any type of certainty that
>a client will even see
>a wolf). This is the
>mentality of the people moving
>to this state. Sure, there
>are a few sportsman whose
>dream has been to live
>in a place where they
>could enjoy activities without being
>looked down upon by others
>because of it. There are
>a few places in Idaho
>where that still exists but
>many where they don't. Every
>year, more McMansions go up
>along the Snake and more
>areas become unhuntable because these
>folks don't want you shooting
>at "their" ducks. Does anyone
>remember Lake Couer d'Alene BEFORE
>its shoreline was lined with
>houses built by out of
>staters moving there? Back when
>the water skiers used the
>big lake to ski, leaving
>the smaller lakes to the
>fisherman. Now, there are so
>many mega yachts on the
>lake that the skiers are
>forced to use the smaller
>lakes and do circles around
>the guys trying to fish.
>
>I'm sure everyone here has their
>stories and most out of
>staters would still say that
>it's better than where they
>are coming from. Heck, maybe
>we should change our attitude
>and welcome everyone. Then when
>only city folks occupy California,
>we can move there and
>enjoy all those resources that
>city folk don't use. There's
>still plenty of great fishing,
>good hunting and better weather
>in California. We just need
>to get rid of the
>outdoorsman who live there and
>we would have it all
>to ourselves!

I feel your pain. But much of the blame lies not with Californians themselves but Social Media and greedy realtors, etc trying to capitalize on the exodus for their own financial gain. Every year I see areas that I have hunted become overrun with out-of-staters who heard how good it was on Instagram, Facebook, etc, etc. People are stupid and they can't understand why their honey-hole that they used to have all to themselves is now inundated with hunters from out of state when they themselves are to blame with their chest-thumping hero shots they post all over the internet.
The same goes for Idaho living itself. Stupid transplants feel the need to tell everyone they know how smart and lucky they are to have moved to Idaho. What do you think others are gonna do? They're gonna go see what all the fuss is about themselves. Loose lips...

andrew12gauge · Feb 24, 2019

LAST EDITED ON Feb-24-19 AT 03:10PM (MST)[p]It's not just realtors telling people to move here, I've heard through the grapevine that the state of Idaho and city of Boise are running ads on local television in the Bay Area urging people to move to the ?best place to live? and ?fastest growing city? in the country. Nothing like opening the gate and inviting the wolves in to join your sheep

Cooper · Feb 24, 2019

Move to Utah, it's like a ghost town, easy to draw hunts, only takes a few points?

Buckhunter1 · Feb 24, 2019

Move over Idahoans!..Here we come! Your draw odds just got worse...Ours, much better!..Bh1

heywouldya · Feb 25, 2019

Wow missalot! Hey, my friends up there tell me a pansy Californian can't make it through more than one winter in Sandpoint.
The poor guy that started this post shouldn't have said he was from California, that was a bad start!

hwy

Cooper · Feb 25, 2019

Them idahoes don't care much none for dang ole utartds either and there's plenty of thems down here

mobertok · Feb 25, 2019

Okay, you all got me! with the exception of alwayshunting. I had the the nuts to tell you where I am from. I really did not know I would get all this helpful feedback from my post (my bad). Like I mentioned earlier I am from Northern Ca. it does get below 0 degrees in the winter where I live.
I do understand where you are all coming from, I would not be real happy if the tables were turned. Having said that, I did not choose to be born here. Rocket science huh? Just to let you all know, I am not deterred 1 (one) bit. I know there will be someone that will reply with helpful insight. I appreciate alwayshunting comments.

maddog58 · Feb 25, 2019

All the way from Homedale north up to Moscow has lots of small communities. I think you just need to go visit and see what's best for you. My wife is from Marsing but it's not like it used to be. Still a nice area though

mobertok · Feb 25, 2019

Also with the exception of maddog58, sorry I missed you in my previous reply. Thank you.

missalot · Feb 25, 2019

From marsing? You'll love this tidbit! With the influx of people in Nampa/Caldwell, the DMV offices have become a nightmare as well (2 and 3hr wait time). The Nampa office has taken to sending people down to the sleepy little town of marsing to take care of their vehicle needs. Now the wait time there in a town of 2,000 people rivals those in CA. You can't fix stupid!

missalot · Feb 25, 2019

I lived in CdA when the boom hit. Realtors made a killing. Sell a Californian a property for 10x it's current value, then sell it again the following year when the Californians bailed on it. Unfortunately, enough stayed to really clog the area.

missalot · Feb 25, 2019

>Okay, you all got me! with
>the exception of alwayshunting. I
>had the the nuts to
>tell you where I am
>from. I really did not
>know I would get all
>this helpful feedback from my
>post (my bad). Like I
>mentioned earlier I am from
>Northern Ca. it does get
>below 0 degrees in the
>winter where I live.
> I do understand where
>you are all coming from,
>I would not be real
>happy if the tables were
>turned. Having said that, I
>did not choose to be
>born here. Rocket science huh?
>Just to let you all
>know, I am not deterred
>1 (one) bit. I know
>there will be someone that
>will reply with helpful insight.
>I appreciate alwayshunting comments.
>

We all know that you'll still come and there is nothing we can do about it, except maybe plan our exodus to another state that isn't receiving all this attention. Come buy my place and fund my migration to the next shangrila!

Cooper · Feb 26, 2019

So miss, you lived in Ca and then moved to Idaho? Hypocrisy much?

oregonmuley · Feb 26, 2019

LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-19 AT 07:23AM (MST)[p]>So miss, you lived in Ca
>and then moved to Idaho?
>Hypocrisy much?

Only guessing here but I'm pretty sure the guy means Coeur d'Alene which he abbreviated to CdA

So since I can spell Coeur d'Alene can I come to Idaho

I'm not from CA but I am from Oregon which honestly has gotten about as bad as CA and is only getting worse.

Cooper · Feb 26, 2019

Maybe that's what he meant, bummer, hoped to razz him a little ?

missalot · Feb 26, 2019

LAST EDITED ON Feb-26-19 AT 09:37AM (MST)[p]>So miss, you lived in Ca
>and then moved to Idaho?
>Hypocrisy much?

No, that's cda as in couer d' alene, Idaho not ca as in California

missalot · Feb 26, 2019

Mober, In actuality, most of us are giving you good advice. Do you really want to move to a place that will be like the place that you left in five or ten years? It doesn't really matter where people move from, it matters that they are all coming here. And judging from all indications, they aren't stopping anytime soon. Aside from this thread, do you see any threads on here talking about our "easy to draw" tags or the great hunting here? NO! Idaho has been getting pounded for the last twenty years and there are better states to move to.

Mallards_Only · Feb 26, 2019

Sadly, missalot is correct. If I hadn't spent a year and a lot of time and effort building a house here, I'd consider moving again. The heyday has come and gone and ID is only slightly better than CA at this point and the way things are going, it will be nearly the same in 5-10 yrs.

mobertok · Feb 26, 2019

>Mober, In actuality, most of us
>are giving you good advice.
>Do you really want to
>move to a place that
>will be like the place
>that you left in five
>or ten years? It doesn't
>really matter where people move
>from, it matters that they
>are all coming here. And
>judging from all indications, they
>aren't stopping anytime soon. Aside
>from this thread, do you
>see any threads on here
>talking about our "easy to
>draw" tags or the great
>hunting here? NO! Idaho has
>been getting pounded for the
>last twenty years and there
>are better states to move
>to.

I certainly considered Wyoming, although I have heard that they are less welcoming than people from Idaho. I have also heard that Idaho, at least right now, has better Mule deer hunting. Not sure if that is true though.

Mallards_Only · Feb 26, 2019

LOL. Who told you that? People from Wyoming?

DeerMadness · Feb 27, 2019

I remember back in the 70s. I started hunting Idaho Deer in 1971. Before that a unit west of Idaho Falls had great deer populations and bucks were everywhere. Idaho sold tags like crazy and there were California hunters on every mountain. It has never been glory days like that again. That unit still is tough to find big mature bucks.

NiceRack · Feb 27, 2019

>From marsing? You'll love this tidbit!
>With the influx of people
>in Nampa/Caldwell, the DMV offices
>have become a nightmare as
>well (2 and 3hr wait
>time). The Nampa office has
>taken to sending people down
>to the sleepy little town
>of marsing to take care
>of their vehicle needs. Now
>the wait time there in
>a town of 2,000 people
>rivals those in CA. You
>can't fix stupid!

I just went to the Nampa/Caldwell DMV 2 weeks ago at 9:45am on a monday. Did not wait at all....walked in and straight to an agent. In and out in less than 5 minutes to register my new truck.
PB

NiceRack · Feb 27, 2019

Hey Mark......
Come on up to Idaho. The hunting is good and so are the people. Don't pay any attention to the "I've got mine now and you can't have yours" people. It doesn't matter if you were born and raised here in Idaho or you have moved here from a less desirable location. All that matters is you and your family enjoying a better life.
PB

missalot · Feb 27, 2019

>Hey Mark......
>Come on up to Idaho. The
>hunting is good and so
>are the people. Don't pay
>any attention to the "I've
>got mine now and you
>can't have yours" people.
>It doesn't matter if you
>were born and raised here
>in Idaho or you have
>moved here from a less
>desirable location. All that matters
>is you and your family
>enjoying a better life.
>PB

Yeah, follow the sheep, but keep in mind that is the exact attitude that ruined California.

heywouldya · Feb 27, 2019

You're awful bitter missalot. You seem to know a lot about California for living in Idaho. Truth is the politics ruined California, not all the people moving there.

Hey Mober, I will disagree with you on one thing. Wyoming has good deer hunting, and good people! From my years visiting friends and hunting in Idaho, people there can be pretty protective. I don't blame them either. I roll my eyes when I see California, Texas and Pennsylvania plates too. Many out of staters have screwed it up for the rest of us.
TJMO

hwy

missalot · Feb 27, 2019

>You're awful bitter missalot. You seem
>to know a lot about
>California for living in Idaho.
>Truth is the politics ruined
>California, not all the people
>moving there.
>
>Hey Mober, I will disagree with
>you on one thing. Wyoming
>has good deer hunting, and
>good people! From my years
>visiting friends and hunting in
>Idaho, people there can be
>pretty protective. I don't blame
>them either. I roll my
>eyes when I see California,
>Texas and Pennsylvania plates too.
>Many out of staters have
>screwed it up for the
>rest of us.
>TJMO
>
>hwy
I've run construction projects in many of the eleven western states which has allowed me to spend a great deal of time in each of them. I've seen how many areas have been changed completely (the term "Californicated" was coined to describe the effect). I can't stop people from moving, but it annoys me when someone obviously moves somewhere "because everyone else is moving there" without doing their research and making their decision based upon what suits their needs as opposed to saying "I'm coming, where is the best place for me to go?"
As far as Idaho goes, I really think that it's a done deal and as everyone heads here, I will be heading to less crowded pastures.

Mallards_Only · Feb 28, 2019

I find it laughable that a guy like missalot speaks the truth based on his observations and you guys claim he's bitter. I'm not even an Idaho native and I agree with him. Californians and "migrants" from other states are impacting the "enamor" of Idaho. Doesn't matter what political persuasion they are. It's a simple matter of population. The more people you have, the more crowded the roads, cities, housing, etc become. It's not bitterness or protectiveness, it's the truth and an objective observation. Anyone who can't see it is either delusional or a liar.

heywouldya · Feb 28, 2019

I believe "its not what you say, its how you say it". I never said missalot was wrong, he just seemed bitter. I actually agree with him, I've moved to a less populated area, and won't look back. Our town here actually voted to not allow a new residential area, because we didn't want what the city people would bring with them. Then we voted to make the smallest parcels for sale had to be 10 acres minimum. It worked! But now I'm looking for an exit strategy for the future, because I'm sick of the politics in this state.
There are some great areas in Idaho that I would love to move to, much less populated than the "western" side of the state.
I'm glad to see that you can correlate more people with increased traffic and houses. That one slipped past me. Sounds like Idaho accepted your relocation without a problem.

hwy

heywouldya · Feb 28, 2019

I wasn't putting you down missalot. I just didn't think the guy asking for advise was ready for the "hard" truth. I've seem Nevada, Colorado, Oregon, Washington, Idaho, Wyoming and more get Californicated as well. I just shake my head, because yes, they take their problems, opinions, and cost of living with them.
I would personally avoid the areas where everyone is moving to, for that reason.
I moved to my wife's town almost 25 years ago, and I'm about ready to get out of here. Because of the states politics, not the population growth. Hopefully I won't need to have to be "close to a hospital", that kinda narrows things down!

hwy

Alwayshunting · Feb 28, 2019

>I've run construction projects in many
>of the eleven western states
>which has allowed me to
>spend a great deal of
>time in each of them.
>I've seen how many areas
>have been changed completely (the
>term "Californicated" was coined to
>describe the effect). I can't
>stop people from moving, but
>it annoys me when someone
>obviously moves somewhere "because everyone
>else is moving there" without
>doing their research and making
>their decision based upon what
>suits their needs as opposed
>to saying "I'm coming, where
>is the best place for
>me to go?"
>As far as Idaho goes, I
>really think that it's a
>done deal and as everyone
>heads here, I will be
>heading to less crowded pastures.
>

Looking for finish blade/dozer drivers? Can usually get within a couple tenths... lol

missalot · Feb 28, 2019

>
>>I've run construction projects in many
>>of the eleven western states
>>which has allowed me to
>>spend a great deal of
>>time in each of them.
>>I've seen how many areas
>>have been changed completely (the
>>term "Californicated" was coined to
>>describe the effect). I can't
>>stop people from moving, but
>>it annoys me when someone
>>obviously moves somewhere "because everyone
>>else is moving there" without
>>doing their research and making
>>their decision based upon what
>>suits their needs as opposed
>>to saying "I'm coming, where
>>is the best place for
>>me to go?"
>>As far as Idaho goes, I
>>really think that it's a
>>done deal and as everyone
>>heads here, I will be
>>heading to less crowded pastures.
>>
>
>Looking for finish blade/dozer drivers?
>Can usually get within a
>couple tenths... lol
LOL, I'm retired now.

missalot · Feb 28, 2019

>I wasn't putting you down missalot.
>I just didn't think the
>guy asking for advise was
>ready for the "hard" truth.
>I've seem Nevada, Colorado, Oregon,
>Washington, Idaho, Wyoming and more
>get Californicated as well. I
>just shake my head, because
>yes, they take their problems,
>opinions, and cost of living
>with them.
>I would personally avoid the areas
>where everyone is moving to,
>for that reason.
>I moved to my wife's town
>almost 25 years ago, and
>I'm about ready to get
>out of here. Because of
>the states politics, not the
>population growth. Hopefully I won't
>need to have to be
>"close to a hospital", that
>kinda narrows things down!
>
>hwy

I didn't take offense to anyone's comments. And certainly if the OP chooses to not move here, 1,876,987 other people will! It's just sad that someone moves to reach a dream that they had and when the dust settles they find that they are essentially in the same place.

Alwayshunting · Feb 28, 2019

>>
>>>I've run construction projects in many
>>>of the eleven western states
>>>which has allowed me to
>>>spend a great deal of
>>>time in each of them.
>>>I've seen how many areas
>>>have been changed completely (the
>>>term "Californicated" was coined to
>>>describe the effect). I can't
>>>stop people from moving, but
>>>it annoys me when someone
>>>obviously moves somewhere "because everyone
>>>else is moving there" without
>>>doing their research and making
>>>their decision based upon what
>>>suits their needs as opposed
>>>to saying "I'm coming, where
>>>is the best place for
>>>me to go?"
>>>As far as Idaho goes, I
>>>really think that it's a
>>>done deal and as everyone
>>>heads here, I will be
>>>heading to less crowded pastures.
>>>
>>
>>Looking for finish blade/dozer drivers?
>>Can usually get within a
>>couple tenths... lol
>LOL, I'm retired now.

So you're saying 120 a year is out of the question??? Lol

idelkslayer · Mar 6, 2019

Maybe if all the conservatives who left California over the last 35 years had stayed in California the politics might not be so lopsided there.

Mallards_Only · Mar 6, 2019

I wish that were true but I firmly believe the problem lies deeper than that. There are still a LOT of conservatives in CA--way more than one would surmise based on the election results. Virtually everyone you talk to in the north state is conservative for sure and yet how is it that elections somehow turn in favor of Democrats, usually at the last minute? I'll tell you how and I firmly believe now that this is the case--Voter Fraud. Massive amounts of ballots magically show up at the last minute in every district that the election results start looking like the Republican candidate is leading. It will never be investigated because the government here is so heavily infiltrated with alt-left radicals like the Attorney General that unless the Federal govt steps in and demands answers like they did in Florida, it will only continue.