Procrastinators lucked out

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For all that waited until the last minute to submit applications for the Utah big game draw, you just lucked out. Here is a message on the DWR website today:

"Utah Division of Wildlife Resources

URGENT NOTICE: Due to technical difficulties in the online application system, the application period for big game permits, bonus points and preference points will remain open until 11 p.m. on March 8, 2010."

So, if you waited, looks like you have until the 8th. It seems that they have technical problems every year due to the overload. You'd think they would have it fixed by now.
 
>Reward the irresponsible I guess

It all boils down to money they could care less about how responsible people are. Get as many $10 fees as you can.
 
That is bullcrap and we all know it. They sacrificed all of us to make a few more bucks. What if somebody who missed the deadline draws the tag you have been waiting all year for?

DWR needs to hear from us.

Grizzly
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-01-10 AT 02:55PM (MST)[p]Correct, it is a public draw. And we all had a month to apply.

This is real life. If you play with fire and wait to the last minute, you may get burned.

This is a Money Grab by DWR. They did it last year too.

I emailed them to let them know what I think.

Grizzly
 
If the deadline is 3/1 and someone waits until 3/1 to apply and the UT website crashes? That is on the UTDOW. They should fix their website to handle the traffic or plan on an extension.

That being said - don't procrastinate and wait until the very last minute, you should know better by now.
 
The applications were scheduled to close tonight at 11pm. If people wanted to apply last night and could not, why punish them? They were more than 24 hours before the scheduled time. What happened to honoring your word? If the draws are supposed to be open until a certian time, they should be available until that time. I like to wait and do all the research and work I can before I apply. I was planning on applying today at work...looks like Ihave a few more days to check some things out :). And that tag is not "yours" until you draw it. Should we draw tags in order of date submitted? Should the guys who applied the day before you call you a slacker?

Sorry, it just bugs me to see people get mad over nothing......Good Luck All!!


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I agree that they shouldn't extend it. It was published well in advance that it would close on the 1st. The DWR has placed reminder messages on its website to do it early. They should just stick to their guns and close it when they said they would. Remember when Cabela's missed the application period in Arizona? Did Arizona let those app's in? No, they didn't. Utah should do the same.
 
If the website crashed before the deadline, they should extend. Andyman is right on.

The cabelas issue is completly different...they missed the deadline, period. It was cabelas fault and no one elses.
 
Eye for an Eye

If they are down for 4 hours, extend it for 4 hours. That seems fair to me.

How do you justify extending a whole week? $$$$$$$$$

Grizzly
 
This subject comes up every year, and I'm always amazed at you guys that say that a deadline's a deadline, even when the server crashes. A guy should have the OPPORTUNITY to apply right up to the freakin' deadline, if that's what he decides to do. If the server crashes two days before the deadline, IT ISN'T THE APPLICANT'S FAULT! Just because you guys have nothing better to do with your time than apply a month early doesn't mean everyone else does. The real reason you don't want the deadline extended is PURE GREED. You want every possible advantage, whether fair or not, over everyone else. Get over it!
 
Is your lives really that boring that you complain about them extending the application period a few more days?
 
AndyManSavage is running a close 2nd with 440FudgePack!
They'd argue with their selves if they had to!






I'm still HELL_ON_WHEELS
I still throw a few back, talk a little smack
 
I would say a pretty high percentage of applicants already applied. If the server went down than the state needs to make it right for those who didn't get the opportunity to apply. I think at the end of the day most everyone that wanted to apply in Utah had already planned to apply & dragging it out for another week probably isn't going to bring a lot more "new applicants".

7 Mag
 
>AndyManSavage is running a close 2nd
>with 440FudgePack!
>They'd argue with their selves if
>they had to!
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>
>
>
>
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>I'm still HELL_ON_WHEELS
>I still throw a few back,
>talk a little smack

Bout time bobsack, didn't think you loved me anymore....How's hanging out on the bench in front of Maverick treating you these days?


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Wow, you guys have nothing better to worry about in life? Somebody needs to call the Whaaaaaambulance to pick up all these fellas. Cry babies.
 
Good deal!!!! I think I'll wait until 10:45pm March 8 to apply.:)

Eel

Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
 
Have to agree with this one. Eye for an Eye would be a solution very few would disagree with.
 
I think they should just auction all the tags. That way they would not have to worry about their server crashing every year.
 
I waited until the last minute and should have known better. I was waiting to see if my dad was going to join my son and I this year. I began the process at 4:00 Sunday afternoon a full day before the deadline. After 2 hours the system shut me down. I tried and finally got on again and after another hour it shut me off again. I tried nonstop from 4:00pm to 11:00pm. I tried Monday morning for another few hours until I decided to drive over to the F&G office. They took my name down and said they hoped they could fix the problem. At 12:12pm I began again and finished at 1:25pm. I have had hunts that didn't take that long. If they say the deadline is a certain time and something happens their is no reason why they should not extend the application time. The lady at the office had a pretty long list of names on her paper and I am sure those guys wanted to apply as bad as anyone else. Just because they didn't apply the first day doesn't mean they are any less dedicated.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-01-10 AT 11:41PM (MST)[p]I think the worst thing about this whole deal was that they should have delayed the release of recommended tag #'s until after the 8th. Now the procrastinators have a big advantage in the odds by seeing what hunts had an increase in tags and which will have a decrease.

I definitely would have liked to go over those numbers before I applied.
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-02-10 AT 09:16AM (MST)[p]I think it is important that I weigh in on this issue and explain why we made the decision at DWR to extend the drawing deadline by one week. On Sunday evening I checked our drawing website and noticed that it was not working properly. I immediately contacted our personnel who worked on the problem late into the night and early again the next morning.

We soon discovered that it was more than just system overload. By mid-day Monday it was clear that there was a major problem with the system and that it was only allowing about 20 people per hour into the online application system. We did know how long it would take to fix the problem. We didn't know whether it would take hours or days to fix it.

We also learned that there was a great deal of confusion about the ending date for the hunt drawing. We received numerous comments from people who thought the ending date for the drawing was March 8th because of what it said on the first page of the online application. If you only looked at the line where you checked the box for the big game drawing it said the hunt application deadline was 3/8/2010. You had to read further to see that application for permits, preference points, and bonus points was March 1 and the application for preference points bonus points only was March 8.

So given the information we had at noon on Monday, we made the decision to extend the permit application period to March 8, 2010. This extension includes those people who want to withdraw and resubmit their applications.

I take full responsibility for this decision. I felt it was the right thing to do for the many people that struggled for hours to get into the system and to those who were confused by the application deadlines.

I apologize to the many sportsmen who made their applications early and to those who understood when the deadline was for hunt applications. We have a very complex drawing system with a very large number of applicants and sometimes this results in computer problems. We will be working with our drawing contractor to make sure this sort of thing does not happen in the future.

Finally, I would like to take this opportunity to thank the many hunter-conservationists in this state who generously support the division with your license dollars. It is because of you that we have such great wildlife in our state. Thanks for all you do and for your patience and understanding.

Jim Karpowitz, Director
Utah Division of Wildlife Resources
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-02-10 AT 08:44AM (MST)[p]I think this is a bad decision by the DWR. They put up a news letter weeks ago telling people this would happen if they procrastinated. Why the news letter if you are going to keep extending the application date? I usually side with the DWR, but this one gets a thumbs down.

Dillon
 
its awesome you got the permit #'s out for those that need spoon fed, cause the draw process is just soo complicated and confusing..I hope stupid hurts
 
Thanks Jim,

I think you did the correct thing in my opinion. I told a few friends they had until the 8th of March. Then I noticed below the deadline it said March 8th for bonus points and March 1st for the draw. May I suggest in the future that we just have one date.

Thanks for your work. It's nice to know that the DWR dirrector is an avid hunter. Many states are not as fortunate.
 
>its awesome you got the permit
>#'s out for those that
>need spoon fed, cause the
>draw process is just soo
>complicated and confusing..I hope stupid
>hurts

If it's that big of a deal, amend your ##### application. But then crying wouldn't be an option.....
 
Mr. Karpowitz:

Don't pay any attention to the whiners on this forum. They're not happy with anything. You could give them a tag in a top unit for free, and they'd complain that they wanted a different tag. :)

I think your solution to the problem was entirely reasonable, given the circumstances.

sab
 
Jim, I think the way you handled this was the right thing to do & i appreciate you coming on this forum & taking ownership for the decision. No matter what you're not going to make everyone happy.

7 Mag
 
>Jim, I think the way you
>handled this was the right
>thing to do & i
>appreciate you coming on this
>forum & taking ownership for
>the decision. No matter what
>you're not going to make
>everyone happy.
>
>7 Mag

Lets just call it what it is ,the numbers where down due to the economy that sucks so they had to extend it . wake up out there
 
No, XXX, the real truth is utah has an INCREDIBLE wildlife resource. in 1994 only 20,000 sportsmen applied for about 1,000 limited and once in a lifetime permits.

thanks to Director Karpowitz, his staff and tens of millions of additional dollars for conservation and transplants, predator control, fencing highways, emergency winter feeding, compensation to landowenrs who feed wildlife etc, etc, tec. Utah now has nearly 5,000 OIL and LE tags and the opportunity for nearly 97,000 general deer hunters and 35,000 elk hunters is better to.

So, in 2009, over 250,000 applicants were made for Utah's tags, and this year the number is probably up, as other states who hate Utah's progressive programs, sit by and watch their herds decline, and hunter interest wane, and in 2010, Utah has RECORD interest again.

Thanks Director Karpowitz for a career - some 30 years of fighting some helacious battles to get more elk, deer, sheep, moose, goats, antelope, bison, turkey, upland game, waterfowl and better fisheries.

right decision here, one more time. I tried to apply Sunday moring with my son, couldn't get it done.

thanks
 
>Lets just call it what it
>is ,the numbers where down
>due to the economy that
>sucks so they had to
>extend it . wake up
>out there

Really? Then show me the numbers! You sound like our Washington Democrats - making up stories to further your agenda! Heck, why don't you go all out and blame it on the Republicans...
 
xxxBull, You're kidding me right? If you have data to back up your statement please enlighten me? The state of Utah is one of the few western states that does it right in my opinion. Sure the LE tags are a tuff draw & we all want a tag, why do you think that is? I'll stand by my statement it was a no win situation once the server crashed.

7 Mag
 
>Utah DWR could $#@^ up a
>wet dream!...

And you, sir, would complain that your wet dream wasn't graphic enough... (Rolls eyes)
 
utah is all about the money. instead of cuting tags they cut the number of days to hunt. set a dead line but need more money, extend it. make cwmu's so that only money hunters can hunt private land when I was young private land owners let you hunt it was no big deal if you asked there wasn't all the over crowding on public land because land owners let you hunt but now its all about the money you have to pay to hunt every where. What's it going to be like in anouther twenty years. I think they should do away with all cwmu's why should the private land owner be able to make money on our wild life. maybe it will switch back to the land owners letting us hunt there land for free and public land would not have all the presure pushing all the game into cwmus. even if the land owners didn't let us hunt for free and charged a tresspass fee they would still have to let the public hunters because they would not have any tags that they could sell for high dollars we would have all the tags so the would have to work with us the public.
 
WOW??? Did I hit a nerve dkpeay, I think UT has one.. of the best wildlife programs ?????.I am simply saying that the economy has put a damper on the avg. Joe and his family to afford $200-$300 dollars plus in permit fees.that's the reason why I think DWR extended the deadline .that's my opinion you give me one other time that DWR has extended due to this issue or another and I will eat crow..
 
Really you sound like a Dem. asking for numbers(roll eyes now) I'm relative to GOP Senator so I guess that makes me one
 
LAST EDITED ON Mar-08-10 AT 09:01PM (MST)[p]xxxbull - that's all you got? I asked you to back up your statement with facts (numbers), and you counter by bragging that you're related to a GOP senator. Wow, I'm impressed, and your family must be so proud!

Do you even understand what I was talking about? For someone related to a GOP senator, you sure don't seem to understand the democrats.

Question: When was the last time a democratic asked for numbers (other than those that start with a dollar sign)?

Answer: Never - who needs facts when you've got emotion...
 
Ok , now I know what party you are (tunnel vision ) read the post 42 just above yours. you are right, who needs emotion when you wear it on your sleeves .
 
xxxbull:

You are certainly entitled to your opinion. However, if you wish to convince others that your opinion is valid, I suggest you present FACTS to back up your argument.

I wear my emotion on my sleeves? What the heck are you talking about? My 3 year old niece is easier to understand than you are...
 

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