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sooooo.. hawkeye..its been real quiet these past few months about the big meeting i mean circus up on the hill. Lawsuits ect....any thing come of all the bs?what do you expect to happen if anything? thanks...good on you for all you did.
 
>sooooo.. hawkeye..its been real quiet these
>past few months about the
>big meeting i mean circus
>up on the hill. Lawsuits
>ect....any thing come of all
>the bs?what do you expect
>to happen if anything? thanks...good
>on you for all you
>did.

They already met in October (UWC, DWR, MDF, SFW, FNAWS) and made some headway and are scheduled to meet again to work out some details. At this point any further speculation is just that, speculation, and could hamper future talks! All parties know that this needs to be legally and calmly worked out without all the jeering and cheering from the sidelines and have asked that we allow that to happen!

Bottom line, It's happening and we just need to be patient!
 
Curious myself


"The problem with quotes on Internet Forums is that it is often difficult to verify their authenticity." - Abraham Lincoln
 
so elkfromabove
who are you to know about this info?not being rude here.. and is sfw and the DON going away any time soon?i am not so sure being calm about all the bs will help much.what other details might you have?that you could share with us all?
thanks...
 
Glad the meet has taken place and another meet is in process.
Don't much care for SFW or MDF and they can come or go, makes no difference to me. I just want that stupid contract changed to insure all monies go back to approved conservation in Utah.
 
>so elkfromabove
>who are you to know about
>this info?not being rude here..
>and is sfw and the
>DON going away any time
>soon?i am not so sure
>being calm about all the
>bs will help much.what other
>details might you have?that you
>could share with us all?
>
>thanks...

I'm the UWC Southern Region Chair and I'm just passing on information that I received from the Regional Coordinator. And I do not have any other details. We, the region chairs, simply have been asked to allow these meetings to go on without fanfare.

UWC is well represented, as are the other organizations, and I have no doubt that reason, not emotions, will rule the day. It reminds me of the jury selection process that I went through on the Bryan David Mitchell (Elizabeth Smart) trial. I reached the final cut, but was not selected, (I wasn't Smart enough or Mitchell enough, I don't know which.) but the inside process was very professional, while the outside world was nothing but emotions. It was hard trying to remain untainted with all of the media attention it got and we were ordered to not make any prejudicial public statements all through the trial even if we weren't on the jury.

In this case, I don't even know enough to do any damage. We'll all know soon enough!
 
"In this case, I don't even know enough to do any damage. We'll all know soon enough!"


Sounds like the UWC is learning the rules of disclosure and the benefits of secretive behavior. Good for the goose, eh??? Yall are no different than SFW, and its still only about power and control.
 
Well, the meetings came and are gone. Thats just an FYI. If any of you (us) went to the wildlifeboard meeting the other day, Jim read what all the groups came to agree with. I was not there. I guess that the groups came to an agreement. We will see what happens. Hopefully we can gat some details here about how the meetings went and what was said and the terms of agreement.
 
>"In this case, I don't even
>know enough to do any
>damage. We'll all know soon
>enough!"
>
>
>Sounds like the UWC is learning
>the rules of disclosure and
>the benefits of secretive behavior.
> Good for the goose,
>eh??? Yall are no
>different than SFW, and its
>still only about power and
>control.

Really? Nothing is secret here. They are meetings with fruitful discussions, go to your representatives involved to find out what is happening and get up their business about not being open but for now, insults and emotion will do nothing but hamper progress.
Have a great day of trolling and whatever else you do in between.
 
"Really? Nothing is secret here."

Really??? 8 posts later and the question still hasn't been answered for the concerned party, but you don't hesitate to come back here talking trash.


" They are meetings with fruitful discussions,"

That yall think shouldn't be shared with worried parties.

"go to your representatives involved to find out what is happening and get up their business"

I am pretty sure that's what the original post did and all I have seen here is a defensive/offensive reaction instead of just answering the guy's question.

" about not being open but for now, insults and emotion will do nothing but hamper progress."

YOU knew that your constituents desired an open book policy and now that yall are choking out facts that they desire, you don't think that will create an emotional response?????????? Are you really that naive?
 
>"In this case, I don't even
>know enough to do any
>damage. We'll all know soon
>enough!"
>
>
>Sounds like the UWC is learning
>the rules of disclosure and
>the benefits of secretive behavior.
> Good for the goose,
>eh??? Yall are no
>different than SFW, and its
>still only about power and
>control.

At the time I received the email, no details had been worked out yet, that's all! And anything beyond what I wrote would have been speculation which wouldn't help nor would it answer the original questions.
 
"At the time I received the email, no details had been worked out yet, that's all! And anything beyond what I wrote would have been speculation which wouldn't help nor would it answer the original questions."


You don't understand what I am talking about. I am not accusing you of knowing anymore or any less. I am trying to show that the UWC built itself with a membership that had become fed up with another organizations inability to share information and use open disclosure policies. Now the management of the UWC is using a similar tactic, but somehow expecting its membership to not speculate or use emotion, when in fact that is what they do when they are not informed!
 
The meeting between SFW/MDF/UWC and officiated by Director Karpowitz went well for the most part. The UWC sincerely appreciates and thanks the SFW and MDF for their willingness to discuss our concerns and for their voluntary modifications they are making to the Expo contract.

As Robiland said, at the last Wildlife Board meeting Director Karpowitz read a short breakdown of what occurred at MDF/SFW/UWC meeting, and the voluntary modifications the MDF/SFW were willing to make. The UWC responded to Director Karpowitz's breakdown with a letter to him and the Wildlife Board, that the voluntary modifications made to the contract were definitely a step in the right direction and will go a long way towards restoring faith in the general public. In addition, the UWC clarified that these changes, though a step in the right direction, still leave questions regarding fund distribution that we intend to address at a later date.

As I have mentioned many times on these forums, the UWC has NO desire to become involved with the auctioning/sales of conservation or expo tags, that is a slippery slope we will not go down. We, along with the general hunting public, simply want transparency and accountability for those tags. The wildlife and hunters deserve no less. Pretty simple.

Here is a link to what Director Karpowitz reported on:

http://wildlife.utah.gov/public_meetings/info/2012-11_board_packet.pdf

Perry Hanks
Director of Operations
United Wildlife Cooperative
[email protected]







www.unitedwildlifecooperative.org
 
That's WAAAAAY too much reading for Tristate to do and he'd have to figure out how to click on that link and actually DO something other than make accusations. I'll just eat some cherry pie now and wait for the long, sad dissection of whatever is posted for him. Maybe he should have gone to the meeting, or better yet, read the minutes and then in his mind, imagined himself the Supreme Leader!

:p
 
>"At the time I received the
>email, no details had been
>worked out yet, that's all!
>And anything beyond what I
>wrote would have been speculation
>which wouldn't help nor would
>it answer the original questions."
>
>
>
>You don't understand what I am
>talking about. I am
>not accusing you of knowing
>anymore or any less.
>I am trying to show
>that the UWC built itself
>with a membership that had
>become fed up with another
>organizations inability to share information
>and use open disclosure policies.
> Now the management of
>the UWC is using a
>similar tactic, but somehow expecting
>its membership to not speculate
>or use emotion, when in
>fact that is what they
>do when they are not
>informed!

Let me repeat, "NO DETAILS HAD BEEN WORKED OUT YET" So I'm supposed to know and share what? They simply agreed to discuss and address the issues and make any modifications to the contract necessary to meet the settlement. That's why they will have other meetings, to work out the details. As Perry stated, and as the minutes of the Wildlife Board meeting in August show, there are some spending issues that are questionable regarding the benefiting of wildlife, and those will be addressed in future meetings, as will some of the expenses they claim are unique to the drawing. MDF/SFW will make their case as will UWC and they will come to an agreement. But until that happens, there isn't anything to report.

If you're asking for a blow by blow discription, that will never happen, nor should it! Unless, of course, you decide to ask the parties if you could sit in on the meetings so you could spread the news as it happens! I'm sure that'll go over big with MDF, SFW, UWC, DWR and the Wildlife Board. And we'd have an intelligent, unbiased, nonresident, mathamatical genius, to correct any mistakes they might make for the future of hunting. Go for it, dude!
 
"And I do not have any other details."

"Regional Co-chair", do you remember saying this?

"go to your representatives involved to find out what is happening"

Then you state this. Aren't you a representative?????????

"If you're asking for a blow by blow discription, that will never happen, nor should it!"

Why should your members and concerned people not get the blow by blow? What are you scared they will see? Thats exactly why yall formed the UWC. What do you think all that accounting you wanted to see from the SFW????? It was their "blow by blow" of how they handle their business. Yall didn't just want to buy the final number that they spit out to the public did you? Why do you think its important to know their "blow by Blow" but somehow not so important when your involved. If Blow by Blow isn't important then %99 of the media would be out of a job. There would be no need for political debate or commentary. You would just wake up on NOV 6 and find out who your president was. If someone is killed you would only find out they were dead. Not why, where, or by whom because after all thats that unimportant "blow by Blow" that one Co-chair can decide everyone doesn't need to know. Like I have stated before, the UWC is a PR nightmare. You may have all the good will in the world but how you "help" your constituents is a car wreck.

On a side note, Stillhunterman, thankyou for attempting to answer some of the questions from the original post. If you could get elkfromabove and klbzdad to be quiet you would be doing the UWC a huge favor.
 
>On a side note, Stillhunterman, thankyou
>for attempting to answer some
>of the questions from the
>original post. If you
>could get elkfromabove and klbzdad
>to be quiet you would
>be doing the UWC a
>huge favor.


So, let me get this straight.....its okay for someone to run their pie hole about that which they know nothing but those who are aware of the goings on that you question should shut up? Your wish is granted! Happy Holidays and Have a great day!
 
"So, let me get this straight.....its okay for someone to run their pie hole about that which they know nothing"

Get this straight. I never claimed to know any of the goings on at the meetings. I could just recognize that the concerned poster here was not getting his questions answered and in fact was getting a brush off. It didn't take a lot of observation to see that.

" but those who are aware of the goings on that you question should shut up?"

You never came on this thread trying to help answer the original posters questions. You only showed up talking childish trash. That is why the UWC should ask you to shut up. You are destructive to their cause because your attitude and maturity level stinks.
 
LAST EDITED ON Nov-28-12 AT 07:34PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Nov-28-12 AT 03:12?PM (MST)

>"So, let me get this straight.....its
>okay for someone to run
>their pie hole about that
>which they know nothing"
>
>Get this straight. I never
>claimed to know any of
>the goings on at the
>meetings. I could just
>recognize that the concerned poster
>here was not getting his
>questions answered and in fact
>was getting a brush off.
> It didn't take a
>lot of observation to see
>that.
>
>" but those who are aware
>of the goings on that
>you question should shut up?"
>
>
>"You never came on this thread
>trying to help answer the
>original posters questions. You
>only showed up talking childish
>trash. That is why
>the UWC should ask you
>to shut up. You
>are destructive to their cause
>because your attitude and maturity
>level stinks."
>
>


And I should be quiet because?
 
i am very surprised all the mm folks havent chimed in about all this any more.and now we have a new dwr boss.makes you wonder if things will get better or worse.and no talk of sfw going bye bye.. that meeting they had was an absolute joke......for those of you who were their..
 
>LAST EDITED ON Nov-28-12
>AT 07:34?PM (MST)
>
>LAST EDITED ON Nov-28-12
>AT 03:12?PM (MST)
>
>>"So, let me get this straight.....its
>>okay for someone to run
>>their pie hole about that
>>which they know nothing"
>>
>>Get this straight. I never
>>claimed to know any of
>>the goings on at the
>>meetings. I could just
>>recognize that the concerned poster
>>here was not getting his
>>questions answered and in fact
>>was getting a brush off.
>> It didn't take a
>>lot of observation to see
>>that.
>>
>>" but those who are aware
>>of the goings on that
>>you question should shut up?"
>>
>>
>>"You never came on this thread
>>trying to help answer the
>>original posters questions. You
>>only showed up talking childish
>>trash. That is why
>>the UWC should ask you
>>to shut up. You
>>are destructive to their cause
>>because your attitude and maturity
>>level stinks."
>>
>>
>
>
>And I should be quiet because?
>

I'm wondering the same thing, EFA except I think his mature, constructive, AND super positive attitude is primarily directed at me. I'll abstain from here forward. Not worth my time anymore and those who know me personally know how to get a hold of me. Happy Holidays and feel free to introduce yourself in person if you get the chance, I'll buy you some cherry pie. Carry on.
 
>i am very surprised all the
>mm folks havent chimed in
>about all this any more.and
>now we have a new
>dwr boss.makes you wonder if
>things will get better or
>worse.and no talk of sfw
>going bye bye.. that meeting
>they had was an absolute
>joke......for those of you who
>were their..

Personally, (not speaking for UWC) I'm thinking and hoping things will get better since there hasn't been such a long-time relationship with the new DWR Director and MDF, SFW, RMEF, etc. I also think Jim, along with Miles, Bryon and Don, took UWC's proposal too personally and considered it a threat to the Convention, the Convention permit program and to their organizations. I guess nobody has ever challenged their policies before in any organized manner and this was a blow to their ego. They're taking it much harder than was intended. Cases in point! Iron County Chapter SFW held a meeting with the helicopter company this last Thursday in Cedar City to discuss the upcoming deer translocations on the Parowan Front (50 does, Jan 4th, 5th & 6th and 50 does sometime in March). DWR was invited, MDF was invited, BLM was invited, but UWC was NOT invited even though we were a major player (3 of us) on the original range ride to assess the range damage. I didn't find out about it until I went to the Southern Regional DWR office on Friday morning to get an update on the project so we could get 10 people in the processing tent. (We're going to get them anyway!) Then on Friday evening on a local radio talk station Troy (can't remember his last name) from SFW was interviewed by a local host and got an hour to promote SFW. About 10 minutes was devoted to the translocation project, but nary a word about MDF or UWC. They seem to have a problem with us as partners, but we're going to work with them whether they like it or not!

In any case, UWC is certainly not talking of SFW going bye bye. If they go bye bye, it will be their own doing. I personally, hope they stay around because they've done some great work and they have the ability to do much more. They just need to remember where they came from and why they were organized in the first place.

My 2 1/2 cents!
 
So nice to not have the bickering on here for a while. Now the season is over get out the popcorn and fireworks and let it begin all over again. I sure wish this fight was in the political forum.
 
>So nice to not have the
>bickering on here for a
>while. Now the season is
>over get out the popcorn
>and fireworks and let it
>begin all over again. I
>sure wish this fight was
>in the political forum.

Amen to that. With the 2012 big game season all but over its time to start Witch hunting. SFW, MDF, Mossback, or anyone else that see things differently its now apparently open season.
 

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