.....what the end game is?
https://www.nationalparkstraveler.o...ue-renaming-national-monuments-national-parks
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https://www.nationalparkstraveler.o...ue-renaming-national-monuments-national-parks
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Tell me again.......
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grizzly
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It seems to me the purpose of a website called The National Park Traveler is to promote traveling in National Parks.
Just a thought though.
Grizzly
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"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
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Just a thought though.
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"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
elkassassin
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Ask Yourself this:
You Want Less Hunting Opportunities?
I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces
It Ain't Easy being Me!
You Want Less Hunting Opportunities?
I know so many people in so many places
They make allot of money but they got sad faces
It Ain't Easy being Me!
grizzly
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> Ask Yourself this:
>
>You Want Less Hunting Opportunities?
>
Nobody here has stated they want more National Parks, but to think a webpage dedicated to National Parks in the promotion of National Parks is some sort of revelation of a secret underground anti-hunting plan is as stupid as posting National Rifle Association articles and believing one just revealed that their "end game" is the promotion of rifles. It's simple-minded and stupid. Somebody spends WAY too much time looking for conspiracies that just aren't there.
Grizzly
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Ask yourself if you agree with the following statement...
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>
>You Want Less Hunting Opportunities?
>
Nobody here has stated they want more National Parks, but to think a webpage dedicated to National Parks in the promotion of National Parks is some sort of revelation of a secret underground anti-hunting plan is as stupid as posting National Rifle Association articles and believing one just revealed that their "end game" is the promotion of rifles. It's simple-minded and stupid. Somebody spends WAY too much time looking for conspiracies that just aren't there.
Grizzly
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Ask yourself if you agree with the following statement...
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
LAST EDITED ON Apr-16-19 AT 11:34PM (MST)[p]
I seem to remember a lot of screaming not long ago when a certain president reduced the size of some monuments. Some of us were laughed at when we said monuments over time tend to become national parks. I present a group advocating for exactly that and we get a tinfoil hat meme? SMFH Do I need to go thru the archives again?
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I seem to remember a lot of screaming not long ago when a certain president reduced the size of some monuments. Some of us were laughed at when we said monuments over time tend to become national parks. I present a group advocating for exactly that and we get a tinfoil hat meme? SMFH Do I need to go thru the archives again?
#livelikezac
grizzly
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Here's some intelligent articles written specifically for hunters that want to educate themselves on the subject of National Monuments and how they relate to hunting...
https://www.fieldandstream.com/nati...s-hunting-fishing-access-and-your-tax-dollars
https://www.fieldandstream.com/sportsmans-view-national-monuments
https://redirect.viglink.com/?forma...ational Monuments: A Sportsmen’s Perspective”
Grizzly
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Ask yourself if you agree with the following statement...
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
https://www.fieldandstream.com/nati...s-hunting-fishing-access-and-your-tax-dollars
https://www.fieldandstream.com/sportsmans-view-national-monuments
https://redirect.viglink.com/?forma...ational Monuments: A Sportsmen’s Perspective”
Grizzly
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Ask yourself if you agree with the following statement...
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
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List of National Monuments that became National Parks.
https://www.travel-experience-live.com/national-parks-that-used-to-be-national-monuments-list/
https://www.travel-experience-live.com/national-parks-that-used-to-be-national-monuments-list/
And you question my source grizz? That ain't yer daddy's Field & Stream. How many national parks have become huntable national monuments? National monument designation is the first step to being off limits forever. Did the previous administration enlarge bears ears as a prelude to Congress declaring it a national park? Fortunately we'll never know......
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grizzly
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Tell me how many large National Monuments in the Western US have been made into National Parks in the last 37 years... Hint: Zero
https://redirect.viglink.com/?forma...ments | Field & Stream&txt=Judge for yourself.
The only one I can even find being considered is Dinosaur National Monument and that's being pushed by the Utah Republican Representative for that district as a way to increase tourism.
But again, keep looking for the Boogeyman behind every tree.
Grizzly
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Ask yourself if you agree with the following statement...
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
https://redirect.viglink.com/?forma...ments | Field & Stream&txt=Judge for yourself.
The only one I can even find being considered is Dinosaur National Monument and that's being pushed by the Utah Republican Representative for that district as a way to increase tourism.
But again, keep looking for the Boogeyman behind every tree.
Grizzly
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Ask yourself if you agree with the following statement...
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
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>Tell me how many large National
>Monuments in the Western US
>have been made into National
>Parks in the last 37
>years... Hint: Zero
>
>https://redirect.viglink.com/?forma...ments | Field & Stream&txt=Judge for yourself.
>
>The only one I can even
>find being considered is Dinosaur
>National Monument and that's being
>pushed by the Utah Republican
>Representative for that district as
>a way to increase tourism.
>
>
>But again, keep looking for the
>Boogeyman behind every tree.
>
>Grizzly
>
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>
>Ask yourself if you agree with
>the following statement...
>
>"It's time to revisit the widely
>accepted principle in the United
>States and Canada that game
>is a public resource."
>-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as
>quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>
Um Grizz the number you are looking for was 7! And to add just 2 more years to your question would make it 15! You may want to read the article that Eel shared.
>Monuments in the Western US
>have been made into National
>Parks in the last 37
>years... Hint: Zero
>
>https://redirect.viglink.com/?forma...ments | Field & Stream&txt=Judge for yourself.
>
>The only one I can even
>find being considered is Dinosaur
>National Monument and that's being
>pushed by the Utah Republican
>Representative for that district as
>a way to increase tourism.
>
>
>But again, keep looking for the
>Boogeyman behind every tree.
>
>Grizzly
>
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>
>Ask yourself if you agree with
>the following statement...
>
>"It's time to revisit the widely
>accepted principle in the United
>States and Canada that game
>is a public resource."
>-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as
>quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>
Um Grizz the number you are looking for was 7! And to add just 2 more years to your question would make it 15! You may want to read the article that Eel shared.
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-17-19 AT 08:07PM (MST)[p]Um huntingjlc, I've studied literally every National Monument and know exactly which ones fall under the parameters I quoted. Do you think I picked 37 years by accident?
The statistic I provided is accurate. Of course you can find all sorts of things via statistics (for instance, go back 100 years and you'll see a big portion of major Monuments included in the discussion) but the stat I provided is accurate.
Feel free to expound it for the purpose of your argument, I don't begrudge that at all. My counter-argument would be that more recent history carries more weight than those from a century ago, but you'd still be accurate. Just as my information is accurate.
A Republican Congressman in Utah also wants to turn part of Grand Staircase National Monument into a National Park (Rep. Chris Stewart's "Grand Staircase Escalante Enhancement Act"). Rob Bishop has proposed creating a new National Monument called "Jurassic National Monument" at the Cleveland-Lloyd dinosaur-fossil quarry. Bishop also wants to upgrade Dinosaur National Monument to a National Park !!!GASP!!! Bishop also wants to expand Arches National Park by 50,000 acres to include land outside the current boundaries. It seems it's the Utah Republicans that are trying to close hunting areas right now.
EDIT...Also, I need to add the word "contiguous" to my disclaimer. That was inadvertantly left out.
Grizzly
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Ask yourself if you agree with the following statement...
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
The statistic I provided is accurate. Of course you can find all sorts of things via statistics (for instance, go back 100 years and you'll see a big portion of major Monuments included in the discussion) but the stat I provided is accurate.
Feel free to expound it for the purpose of your argument, I don't begrudge that at all. My counter-argument would be that more recent history carries more weight than those from a century ago, but you'd still be accurate. Just as my information is accurate.
A Republican Congressman in Utah also wants to turn part of Grand Staircase National Monument into a National Park (Rep. Chris Stewart's "Grand Staircase Escalante Enhancement Act"). Rob Bishop has proposed creating a new National Monument called "Jurassic National Monument" at the Cleveland-Lloyd dinosaur-fossil quarry. Bishop also wants to upgrade Dinosaur National Monument to a National Park !!!GASP!!! Bishop also wants to expand Arches National Park by 50,000 acres to include land outside the current boundaries. It seems it's the Utah Republicans that are trying to close hunting areas right now.
EDIT...Also, I need to add the word "contiguous" to my disclaimer. That was inadvertantly left out.
Grizzly
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Ask yourself if you agree with the following statement...
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-17-19 AT 09:01PM (MST)[p]>Christ grizz eel did your homework
>for you and still fail
>the test. Maybe it was
>just TMI just look at
>these 2 first, great sand
>dunes national park Colorado, and
>death valley national park, then
>get back to us.
>
Those were established in 1932 and 1933. That's about 50 years earlier than the 1982 (37 years) in my post.
Go read the first paragraph of the link I provided in post 11; the very same post where I made that statement. They were literally in the same post. I can't imagine why it isn't clear enough for you. It reads, "a summary concerning public access, permitted uses, operating agency, and creation date for each of the 17 national monuments in the eleven western continental states that are larger than 10,000 acres and were created in 1982 or later."
Did you read any of the information provided in post 8 or 11? I can lead a horse to water but I can't make him drink.
Enjoy "Coast To Coast AM" this evening.
PS. I noticed you failed to disclaim your vaunted Republican Party's attempt at creating more National Monuments and National Parks in areas currently open for hunting.
Grizzly
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Ask yourself if you agree with the following statement...
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
>for you and still fail
>the test. Maybe it was
>just TMI just look at
>these 2 first, great sand
>dunes national park Colorado, and
>death valley national park, then
>get back to us.
>
Those were established in 1932 and 1933. That's about 50 years earlier than the 1982 (37 years) in my post.
Go read the first paragraph of the link I provided in post 11; the very same post where I made that statement. They were literally in the same post. I can't imagine why it isn't clear enough for you. It reads, "a summary concerning public access, permitted uses, operating agency, and creation date for each of the 17 national monuments in the eleven western continental states that are larger than 10,000 acres and were created in 1982 or later."
Did you read any of the information provided in post 8 or 11? I can lead a horse to water but I can't make him drink.
Enjoy "Coast To Coast AM" this evening.
PS. I noticed you failed to disclaim your vaunted Republican Party's attempt at creating more National Monuments and National Parks in areas currently open for hunting.
Grizzly
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Ask yourself if you agree with the following statement...
"It's time to revisit the widely accepted principle in the United States and Canada that game is a public resource."
-Don Peay, Founder of SFW, as quoted in Anchorage Daily News
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https://www.terragalleria.com/parks/info/parks-by-date.html
https://www.terragalleria.com/parks/info/parks-by-date.html
grizzly
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>"Tell me how many large National
>Monuments in the Western US
>have been made into National
>Parks in the last 37
>years... Hint: Zero"
>
>Hint: you're still wrong!
>
>
>
>#livelikezac
The exact quote from the link I provided is "eleven western continental states that are larger than 10,000 acres and were created in 1982 or later" and the answer is still zero.
You're a sad person, DW. The fact that Zac's family hasn't told you to quit denigrating his name with your posts is mind-boggling to me.
PS. Still waiting on your comments on Republicans trying to form National Monuments and National Parks right under your nose. Right now. Today. Not 86 years ago. But today.
Or is it the same as with Trump's gun ban? It's okay if the Republicans do it?
I truly feel sorry for you and hope things pick up in your life. It's a great world out there.
Grizzly
>"Tell me how many large National
>Monuments in the Western US
>have been made into National
>Parks in the last 37
>years... Hint: Zero"
>
>Hint: you're still wrong!
>
>
>
>#livelikezac
The exact quote from the link I provided is "eleven western continental states that are larger than 10,000 acres and were created in 1982 or later" and the answer is still zero.
You're a sad person, DW. The fact that Zac's family hasn't told you to quit denigrating his name with your posts is mind-boggling to me.
PS. Still waiting on your comments on Republicans trying to form National Monuments and National Parks right under your nose. Right now. Today. Not 86 years ago. But today.
Or is it the same as with Trump's gun ban? It's okay if the Republicans do it?
I truly feel sorry for you and hope things pick up in your life. It's a great world out there.
Grizzly
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LAST EDITED ON Apr-17-19 AT 11:09PM (MST)[p]LAST EDITED ON Apr-17-19 AT 10:39?PM (MST)
Black Canyon of the Gunnison was a National Monument about 30 years ago and is now a National Park. Colorado National Monument is being pushed by Grand Junction COC and other ?business? people who hope to profit from this change. I hope it doesn't happen for a number of reasons.
Edit: The Black Canyon became a National Park on October 21, 1999. It was designated a National Monument in 1933.
Second Edit: Add Great Sand Dunes NP in 2004, designated a Monument in 1932.
Hasbean
Black Canyon of the Gunnison was a National Monument about 30 years ago and is now a National Park. Colorado National Monument is being pushed by Grand Junction COC and other ?business? people who hope to profit from this change. I hope it doesn't happen for a number of reasons.
Edit: The Black Canyon became a National Park on October 21, 1999. It was designated a National Monument in 1933.
Second Edit: Add Great Sand Dunes NP in 2004, designated a Monument in 1932.
Hasbean
Do you really want to discuss and compare the Obama administration designating nearly 1.4 million acres with the stroke of a pen, creating bears ears national monument as 1 example, to the 5 national monuments in this latest bill passed by the Trump administration? Have you read the bill? Do you want to discuss which administration abused the Antiquities Act and which used it for its intended purpose? I'd ask if you think you could do it without hurling insults but I realize I'd be asking too much.....
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I do. Simple answer. Theodore Roosevelt severely abused the Act. He severely overreached in his power. And he did so blatantly. He did so as a "screw you" to Wahington DC politicians who were busy selling off the land for personal and family power. He was kicked out of the Republican Party for doing so.
I'm not wild about a President having that kind of power. But what is the alternative? DW did you notice as TRump shrunk the boundaries, pushed for by Mike Noel(Utah legislature), who just happened to own land there, that immediately drill permits were OK'd? Coincidence?
Do you hunt drill platforms? Your argument would be valid if it was keeping our hunting vs national monuments/parks. But its not. Your in favor of taking that land, bulldozing a platform, sinking a well into(then letting it be capped until oil prices are driven high enough).
Between you and I is the Uintah Basin. Take a ride through there. Hoes the hunting?
Bess can tell you.
I know you have a bone to pick with the "George Soros" of conservation, Land Tawney. But giving BP or Haliburton YOUR land to protest BHA, is beyond stupid.
But I agree, I don't feel comfortable with a President having the power to lock up land the way he/feels, whenever. I'm more uncomfortable with the Mike Lee of the world taking in millions in "campaign donations" from petroleum companies wanting to have it.
So the least uncomfortable position is the Antiquities Act as it stands now.
"I don't care if the season is closed. Get off your butt and go hunt them"
TRISTATE
3/11/19
From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
I'm not wild about a President having that kind of power. But what is the alternative? DW did you notice as TRump shrunk the boundaries, pushed for by Mike Noel(Utah legislature), who just happened to own land there, that immediately drill permits were OK'd? Coincidence?
Do you hunt drill platforms? Your argument would be valid if it was keeping our hunting vs national monuments/parks. But its not. Your in favor of taking that land, bulldozing a platform, sinking a well into(then letting it be capped until oil prices are driven high enough).
Between you and I is the Uintah Basin. Take a ride through there. Hoes the hunting?
Bess can tell you.
I know you have a bone to pick with the "George Soros" of conservation, Land Tawney. But giving BP or Haliburton YOUR land to protest BHA, is beyond stupid.
But I agree, I don't feel comfortable with a President having the power to lock up land the way he/feels, whenever. I'm more uncomfortable with the Mike Lee of the world taking in millions in "campaign donations" from petroleum companies wanting to have it.
So the least uncomfortable position is the Antiquities Act as it stands now.
"I don't care if the season is closed. Get off your butt and go hunt them"
TRISTATE
3/11/19
From the party of HUNTIN, FISHIN, PUBLIC LAND.
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