CWD Breakthrough

BenHuntn · Feb 18, 2019

LAST EDITED ON Feb-18-19 AT 05:35PM (MST)[p]Scientist have discovered that CWD is a bacteria and the Prions are just a byproduct of the bacteria. They are coming up with a test to see if your deer is infected immediately after your kill. They are working on a vaccine that may eradicate the disease. Within 2 years they will have a cure. This is huge!!!!

https://www.facebook.com/BigBuckReg.../UzpfSTE2NDgxNzUxODA6MTAyMTY5ODUxNzE1MzUzMzg/

callsalot · Feb 18, 2019

Sure hope it's the real deal because that would be awesome!
Thanks for the update on this topic.

Mnbearhunter123 · Feb 18, 2019

What a fear mongering clown.

txhunter58 · Feb 18, 2019

It is a theory, but so far there is no conclusive proof. I do hope he is on to something.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

Tristate · Feb 19, 2019

This is interesting and I also hope he is onto something but I am doubtful as to his conclusion being correct. At best I hope he has discovered some type of relationship that increases our knowledge of the disease. It is much harder to isolate a protein than a bacterium for study. Very serious science was done to isolate the prion which we believe is causing CWD and has continually been studied specifically by bio-chemists, epidemiologists, and biologists for going on half a century. To me that's almost like saying Hitler didn't have anything to do with World War II.

BenHuntn · Feb 19, 2019

After digging deeper into this breakthrough I am skeptical. That person on the podium is from a deer hunting group and is speaking to his group. Pennsylvania CWD biologist can not confirm or deny Dr. Bastian findings or replicate the process. So the jury is still out on if this is really a breakthrough.

ClearCreek · Feb 19, 2019

Do you seriously think that if a treatment or cure for Alzheimers, CJD and scabies in sheep had been discovered that it would be announced by a deer hunting group in Pennsylvania?

This is a bunch of bull sheet!!

ClearCreek

DW · Feb 19, 2019

>Do you seriously think that if
>a treatment or cure for
>Alzheimers, CJD and scabies in
>sheep had been discovered that
>it would be announced by
>a deer hunting group in
>Pennsylvania?
>
>This is a bunch of bull
>sheet!!
>
>
>ClearCreek
>
>

What do scabies have to do with CWD?

#livelikezac

ClearCreek · Feb 19, 2019

>>Do you seriously think that if
>>a treatment or cure for
>>Alzheimers, CJD and scabies in
>>sheep had been discovered that
>>it would be announced by
>>a deer hunting group in
>>Pennsylvania?
>>
>>This is a bunch of bull
>>sheet!!
>>
>>
>>ClearCreek
>>
>>
>
>What do scabies have to do
>with CWD?
>
>
>#livelikezac

This:

Scrapie of sheep and Creutzfeldt-Jakob disease (CJD) are both classified as prion diseases. The infectious agents of both diseases are closely related.

ClearCreek

DW · Feb 19, 2019

Scrapie is a bit different than scabie.

#livelikezac

txhunter58 · Feb 19, 2019

Yup.
Scrapie is a prion disease of sheep
Scabies is a skin burrowing mite disease

I can see it would be easy to get the two mixed up on paper though due to spelling

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

txhunter58 · Feb 19, 2019

https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Disorders...t-Sheets/Creutzfeldt-Jakob-Disease-Fact-Sheet

Interesting reading.

My question is this: if scientists are fairly convinced that the Mad Cow Prion can cause variant CJD after eating infected meat, they why is everyone so skeptical that CWD an eventually infect people???

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

DW · Feb 19, 2019

>https://www.ninds.nih.gov/Disorders...t-Sheets/Creutzfeldt-Jakob-Disease-Fact-Sheet
>
>Interesting reading.
>
>My question is this: if
>scientists are fairly convinced that
>the Mad Cow Prion can
>cause variant CJD after eating
>infected meat, they why is
>everyone so skeptical that CWD
>an eventually infect people???
>
>txhunter58
>
>venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore
>I am)

My reasoning is because we've been eating it for at least 50yrs without it jumping. Will it ever jump? Maybe. But why was mad cow so quick to jump and CWD hasn't? Theres a lot of ways to die worth worrying about, CWD isn't even on my radar.

#livelikezac

ClearCreek · Feb 19, 2019

>Yup.
>Scrapie is a prion disease of
>sheep
>Scabies is a skin burrowing mite
>disease
>
>
>I can see it would be
>easy to get the two
>mixed up on paper though
>due to spelling
>
>txhunter58
>
>venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore
>I am)

Yes, in my original message I got some letters rearranged.

Sorry for the error and confusion.

ClearCreek

txhunter58 · Feb 20, 2019

LAST EDITED ON Feb-20-19 AT 01:56PM (MST)[p]>
>My reasoning is because we've been
>eating it for at least
>50yrs without it jumping. Will
>it ever jump? Maybe. But
>why was mad cow so
>quick to jump and CWD
>hasn't? Theres a lot of
>ways to die worth worrying
>about, CWD isn't even on
>my radar.
>
>
>#livelikezac

And how many years/melinium did Mad Cow JUST infect cows before it jumped to humans??

As this thing spreads to the far reaches of the earth, it will adapt and evolve to survive. That is the way of all living things. The scary part of CWD is that with Scrapie and Mad Cow, you simply kill all infected animals and no more disease. Not so with CWD. If it someday jumps to humans and is contagious, we are in trouble.

So you can eat infected meat, and I would bet $1 million that you will never get infected with vCJD. But for me and mine, I don't want it on my ranch and I will never knowingly feed it to my family. The first individuals to get it would probably be immunocompromised in some way...? very young, very old, cancer patients...??..

Silver lining for me is that the best venison on my ranch in Texas are axis deer and they don't seem susceptible, at least so far. So will always have good venison to eat. But would hate to start tossing my whitetail.

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

DW · Feb 21, 2019

>LAST EDITED ON Feb-20-19
>AT 01:56?PM (MST)
>
>>
>>My reasoning is because we've been
>>eating it for at least
>>50yrs without it jumping. Will
>>it ever jump? Maybe. But
>>why was mad cow so
>>quick to jump and CWD
>>hasn't? Theres a lot of
>>ways to die worth worrying
>>about, CWD isn't even on
>>my radar.
>>
>>
>>#livelikezac
>
>And how many years/melinium did Mad
>Cow JUST infect cows before
>it jumped to humans??
>
>As this thing spreads to the
>far reaches of the earth,
>it will adapt and evolve
>to survive. That is
>the way of all living
>things. The scary part
>of CWD is that with
>Scrapie and Mad Cow, you
>simply kill all infected animals
>and no more disease.
>Not so with CWD. If
>it someday jumps to humans
>and is contagious, we are
>in trouble.
>
>So you can eat infected meat,
>and I would bet $1
>million that you will never
>get infected with vCJD. But
>for me and mine, I
>don't want it on my
>ranch and I will never
>knowingly feed it to my
>family. The first individuals to
>get it would probably be
>immunocompromised in some way...? very
>young, very old, cancer patients...??..
>
>
>Silver lining for me is that
>the best venison on my
>ranch in Texas are axis
>deer and they don't seem
>susceptible, at least so far.
> So will always have
>good venison to eat. But
>would hate to start tossing
>my whitetail.
>
>txhunter58
>
>venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore
>I am)

Are they testing axis deer?

#livelikezac

88man · Feb 21, 2019

I hope it is as presented. However, I hate to sound negative. This group basically always is anti what ever the Pa Game commission or any sound science reports. Consider the source

txhunter58 · Feb 21, 2019

Yes they will test axis deer in a Texas if it is requested. Not aware of any absolute scientific data ahowing that axis are not susceptible but all tested are negative so far. Texas tests maybe 80-100 a year so not enough numbers to say for sure

txhunter58

venor, ergo sum (I hunt, therefore I am)

ThunderImpulse4 · Feb 21, 2019

LAST EDITED ON Feb-21-19 AT 09:17PM (MST)[p]By the Way video is from 2011. Bastian published his findings in regards to the injections of spiroplasma in lab deer, sheep and goats in Veterinary Ophthalmology in 2011.

https://www.deeranddeerhunting.com/...ersial-research-bacteria-not-prions-cause-cwd