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Anyone know the amount of “conservation” money brought in by the hunt expo that gets spent on wildlife and habitat projects outside of Utah annually?

the reason I ask, is if other states and wildlife are benefiting from money brought in during the hunt expo, why is it just Utah that is donating the tags for the draw? If other states are going to accept money brought in from the expo and the tags being offered in the draw, they should have to contribute to the drawing as well. Seems a little one sided that Utah get tags stolen from the draw while surrounding states benefit from it without giving any of their public tags up.
 
hornkiller said:
Are you that stupid?
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Am I stupid? No. I understand the only conservation this money goes towards, is conserving personal bank accounts. So I guess let me rephrase the question. Why is Utah the only state handing over public tags when the other surrounding states are supposedly benefiting from the proceeds?
 
hornkiller said:
Explain to me how let's say wy or nv benefits from the expo?
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Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t the money go to conservation around the United States? It extends to more than just Utah. I’m sure that money, in theory, doesn’t stop at the state border. Habitat and wildlife projects paid for by this money isn’t just in Utah
 
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The way I understood it was SFW takes their cut, for “operation” costs and then the rest goes straight into the Utah state treasury???? I could be wrong tho
 
I may be wrong on this but any states that are benefiting from the expo, are probably doing so because of the tags they send there to be auctioned off.

Other states send their governor’s tags there to be auctioned off. New Mexico sends tags, I believe Colorado does. Wyoming does. I may be wrong but I believe I’ve seen Nevada tags there to be auctioned off. I’ve seen Arizona tags there too. So of course these states would benefit from that.
 
The distinction needs to be made between the expo tags and the auction tags.
Yes, the auction tags benefit the States from which they came.
The expo tags come from Utah only and a portion of the sales benefit Utah only.
 
scopenstalk said:
The way I understood it was SFW takes their cut, for “operation” costs and then the rest goes straight into the Utah state treasury???? I could be wrong tho
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You'd be wrong. $fw takes a cut. Then they "donate" back money. It doesn't go to the Treasury.


And yup. Dudes bank accounts do grow.

Don Peay gets paid a "finders fee". The more money he brings in, the more he makes. His job as a "consultant" is to suck in the high rollers.

That way $fw can claim Don doesn't have anything to do with them. Technically that's true, he is no longer in leadership. But now his profiting off Utah Wildlife is legal and "legit". He not part of a "non profit", he is a "consultant" now so it's legal.
 
Those tags are retribution’s to the states that neighbor Utah. Utah’s been a bad neighbor for so long now that it’s time they give up something.

Signed, every hunter in a state that borders Utah.
 
hossblur said:
You'd be wrong. $fw takes a cut. Then they "donate" back money. It doesn't go to the Treasury.


And yup. Dudes bank accounts do grow.

Don Peay gets paid a "finders fee". The more money he brings in, the more he makes. His job as a "consultant" is to suck in the high rollers.

That way $fw can claim Don doesn't have anything to do with them. Technically that's true, he is no longer in leadership. But now his profiting off Utah Wildlife is legal and "legit". He not part of a "non profit", he is a "consultant" now so it's legal.
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Where does the money they “donate” go?
 
"Serengeti of North America"

And all you clowns complaining about deer numbers. Shows how much you all know.
 
buttshot said:
Is there a detailed list of conservation programs that the money has gone to?
So the public can see for instance that if 20 million has been raised for wildlife conservation that 20 million has actually been spent on conservation?
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The MDF has full disclosures on their website, including all the 990's showing allocations down to the penny. www.muledeer.org
I can't speak for any of the other entities or "partners" as described.
 
Again......I will repeat!!!!!!
In November, in the Northern RAC meeting, when Lindy Varney and Coby discussed point creep issues and possible amendments to change that would help point creep.....I was THE ONLY ONE who mentioned the convention expo permit rule is worded “up to 200 tags” and if the division was serious about fixing point creep, suggested that they needed to take a look at taking back SOME of the 200 expo tags.
 
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deerkiller said:
Anyone know the amount of “conservation” money brought in by the hunt expo that gets spent on wildlife and habitat projects outside of Utah annually?

the reason I ask, is if other states and wildlife are benefiting from money brought in during the hunt expo, why is it just Utah that is donating the tags for the draw? If other states are going to accept money brought in from the expo and the tags being offered in the draw, they should have to contribute to the drawing as well. Seems a little one sided that Utah get tags stolen from the draw while surrounding states benefit from it without giving any of their public tags up.
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Read the rule:
R-657-55 expo permit rule
 
The usual Texas two step.

Yes. $fw does projects and does "donate" things back to the division, like the drag mowers.

BUTTTTTTT,

That's after they siphon off a nice chunk for themselves. Plus the double barrel middle finger whenever they are asked to show where that money goes.

These groups, be it $fw, MDF, RMEF, etc are simply subcontractors. YOU give them money, they do projects. No different than you paying the landscaper to mow, or the roofer to roof.

The questions with $fw is HOW MUCH you pay them, no bid contract to do projects(RMEF screw job for expo contract), and their ability to now police themselves(WB, RAC).

If you ask, or point out any of it the usual suspects come running in "we do ...... projects. We hand the division money...."

They are the Mafia. They get their cut. They make the rules. They own the politicians who put them in control. I know it. You know it. They know it.
 
Hey BillyBob, it’s my understanding that the 200
Expo tags came directly from the tags designated for the non residents. So in theory, if those tags were put back into the general draw, or at least a few of them, how exactly would that help point creep? They’d be going right back into the non residents pool. Yes it may help
Point creep for the non residents VERY SLIGHTLY, But I believe the complaint on point creep is about residents, at least for now?
 
Dconcrete said:
Hey BillyBob, it’s my understanding that the 200
Expo tags came directly from the tags designated for the non residents.
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you are wrong. the five tags for only nonres came out of the nonres quota. the rest came out of the overall quota. after the conservation convention landowner tags are given then remainder are split ninety-ten. most of the tags are taken out of the resident pool.
 
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you are wrong. the five tags for only nonres came out of the nonres quota. the rest came out of the overall quota. after the conservation convention landowner tags are given then remainder are split ninety-ten. most of the tags are taken out of the resident pool.
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Bingo!
On the list of expo tags, there were a handful of tags available strictly for nonresidents. The bigger remainder of expo tags comes from the overall allocation
 
Dconcrete said:
Hey BillyBob, it’s my understanding that the 200
Expo tags came directly from the tags designated for the non residents. So in theory, if those tags were put back into the general draw, or at least a few of them, how exactly would that help point creep? They’d be going right back into the non residents pool. Yes it may help
Point creep for the non residents VERY SLIGHTLY, But I believe the complaint on point creep is about residents, at least for now?
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Hey D.....
You’re understanding is false.
There are 5 expo tags allocated from the nonresident pool. Only nonresidents can apply for for those 5 expo tags.
The remainder of available expo tags come from the resident allocated quota yet Nonresidents can also apply for them at the expo.
From my understanding, it’s explanation is simply to draw out of staters to the expo.

I went back and looked at the 2020 expo tags and I see 110 tags plus an additional 5 Tags for nonresidents strictly.
Does anyone have information on expo tag totals from previous years?
 
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Take out the turkey, crow, rabbit and whatever expo and there's not going to be 200 big game tags put back into the drawing. Will there be a few? Yes, one, two or maybe a couple more in any single unit. Would it help? sure but only to a fraction of a percentage point.
It's not as big of a deal as some make it out and not nearly as big in contributing to point creep and turning tags back under the old rule.
Do the math and quit the hysteria.
Zeke
 
BillyBoB said:
Hey D.....
You’re understanding is false.
There are 5 expo tags allocated from the nonresident pool. Only tjnonresidents can apply for for those 5 expo tags.
The remainder of available expo tags come from the resident allocated quota yet Nonresidents can also apply for them at the expo.
From my understanding, it’s explanation is simply to draw out of staters to the expo.

I went back and looked at the 2020 expo tags and I see 110 tags plus an additional 5 Tags for nonresidents strictly.
Does anyone have information on expo tag totals from previous years?
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Since the program started in 2007, the totals have always been 200 or very near (within 1 or 2 below).

There are actually 199 tags in the 2020 Expo. You just counted the different hunts, but you didn't count the number of tags in each hunt. There are 45 buck deer, 90 bull elk, 5 antlerless elk, 22 buck pronghorn, 1 bull moose, 3 bison, 11 black bear, 7 cougar, 1 Desert Bighorn, 1 Rocky Mtn Bighorn, 3 Rocky Mtn Goat, 5 Turkey, and the 5 Non-resident tags.

FWIW, the Expo tags are removed from the total quota BEFORE they are divided into resident and non-resident categories, so those tags aren't directly removed from either category per se! There are just 200 fewer tags to divide.
 
Dconcrete said:
I may be wrong on this but any states that are benefiting from the expo, are probably doing so because of the tags they send there to be auctioned off.

Other states send their governor’s tags there to be auctioned off. New Mexico sends tags, I believe Colorado does. Wyoming does. I may be wrong but I believe I’ve seen Nevada tags there to be auctioned off. I’ve seen Arizona tags there too. So of course these states would benefit from that.
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But NM will soon not send a govr's tag to the expo because of all the revenue it is going to make by leading the nation in renewables. Hunting in NM? Only a caveman state will think that is a revenue generator.

Just ask Mitchy Grishy.
 
Dudes quit doing a roll call on expo. Im assuming it was pretty embarrassing to whine about all things DWR and $$$, but then show up and give $$$ to the group who controls the DWR.

YUP BESS, im pointing at you!!(Still love ya even if you're a flaming hypocrite?)
 
"the group who controls the DWR."

Hoss, I'd have to say "and thank God they do because we are finally getting things done!"
 
One interesting thing about those 200 tags:

Over the years they’ve added in turkey and even cow elk tags. Yet the number of tags overall has not increased. Anybody wonder where those trophy buck and bull tags went when replaced by the turkey and cow elk tags?
 
elkfromabove said:
Since the program started in 2007, the totals have always been 200 or very near (within 1 or 2 below).

There are actually 199 tags in the 2020 Expo. You just counted the different hunts, but you didn't count the number of tags in each hunt. There are 45 buck deer, 90 bull elk, 5 antlerless elk, 22 buck pronghorn, 1 bull moose, 3 bison, 11 black bear, 7 cougar, 1 Desert Bighorn, 1 Rocky Mtn Bighorn, 3 Rocky Mtn Goat, 5 Turkey, and the 5 Non-resident tags.

FWIW, the Expo tags are removed from the total quota BEFORE they are divided into resident and non-resident categories, so those tags aren't directly removed from either category per se! There are just 200 fewer tags to divide.
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You are right! Thanks for noticing my oversight.
 
Vanilla said:
One interesting thing about those 200 tags:

Over the years they’ve added in turkey and even cow elk tags. Yet the number of tags overall has not increased. Anybody wonder where those trophy buck and bull tags went when replaced by the turkey and cow elk tags?
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I could be wrong but in the past, there was a mountain goat billy tag available for Willard Peak that is not there anymore. Yet I know that herd is in really bad shape. So there’s probably at least one tag that is no more.
 
Those extra tags that have disappeared are probably for $$$.f.w. elites to hunt on under the radar!
 
Vanilla said:
One interesting thing about those 200 tags:

Over the years they’ve added in turkey and even cow elk tags. Yet the number of tags overall has not increased. Anybody wonder where those trophy buck and bull tags went when replaced by the turkey and cow elk tags?
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taking a cow elk tag from the public and throwing it into the expo draw is just below the belt. that’s all some of us ever have a chance to draw!
 
deerkiller said:
taking a cow elk tag from the public and throwing it into the expo draw is just below the belt. that’s all some of us ever have a chance to draw!
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Agreed.

And removing a trophy bull out of the “public” expo draw to make room for that cow elk tag that was taken out of the public draw and sending it to auction is a double kick below the belt. But I digress...
 
^^^ The quality of tags at the Expo has been slipping since the beginning, they got everybody hooked on the drug and then slowly diluted it out and nobody noticed until it was too late. But I had no idea they were running cow tags now, WOW!!! I used to have the history that showed the decline but that PC bit the dust... somebody else probably has it they could post up.

As to the funds... wasn't the terminology we were told was that the money would go to "policies, projects, and personnel" or something like that? It seems like just about anything you could think of would fit under that umbrella.
 
I have a single question to ask about the money that goes to pay for the projects.
When deciding to do projects, range improvement, guzzlers, browse planting ect. How many OUTSIDE contractors BID, on average to complete these projects, in the least costly way.?
 
Stonefly said:
I have a single question to ask about the money that goes to pay for the projects.
When deciding to do projects, range improvement, guzzlers, browse planting ect. How many OUTSIDE contractors BID, on average to complete these projects, in the least costly way.?
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Good question!
 
BillyBoB said:
I could be wrong but in the past, there was a mountain goat billy tag available for Willard Peak that is not there anymore. Yet I know that herd is in really bad shape. So there’s probably at least one tag that is no more.
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Since 2014 there have been 2 Willard Peak mountain goat billy tags each year. One was the late season tag and the other was one of the non-resident tags.
Stonefly said:
I have a single question to ask about the money that goes to pay for the projects.
When deciding to do projects, range improvement, guzzlers, browse planting ect. How many OUTSIDE contractors BID, on average to complete these projects, in the least costly way.?
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grizzly said:
^^^ The quality of tags at the Expo has been slipping since the beginning, they got everybody hooked on the drug and then slowly diluted it out and nobody noticed until it was too late. But I had no idea they were running cow tags now, WOW!!! I used to have the history that showed the decline but that PC bit the dust... somebody else probably has it they could post up.

As to the funds... wasn't the terminology we were told was that the money would go to "policies, projects, and personnel" or something like that? It seems like just about anything you could think of would fit under that umbrella.
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2007
39-buck deer----51-bull elk----22-pronghorn----4-bull moose
1-bison----1-RMGoat----1-RMBH----1-DBH----67-turkey
8-cougar----5-bear-------------------------------------200-Total

2008
40-buck deer----51-bull elk----19-pronghorn----4-bull moose
4-bison----1-RMGoat----1-RMBH----1-DBH----67-turkey
7-cougar----5-bear-------------------------------------200-Total

2009
39-buck deer----83-bull elk----18-pronghorn----6-bull moose
5-bison----4-RMGoat----2-RMBH----2-DBH----28-turkey
7-cougar----5-bear-------------------------------------199-Total

2010
40-buck deer----80-bull elk----18-pronghorn----6-bull moose
5-bison----4-RMGoat----3-RMBH----2-DBH----29-turkey
7-cougar----5-bear----2-Dall Sheep (From Arctic Red River
Outfitters)----------------------------------------------201-Total

2011
38-buck deer----84-bull elk----18-pronghorn----6-bull moose
4-bison----4-RMGoat----3-RMBH----2-DBH----29-turkey
7-cougar----5-bear-------------------------------------200-Total

2012
39-buck deer----84-bull elk----19-pronghorn----5-bull moose
2-bison----4-RMGoat----3-RMBH----2-DBH----29-turkey
7-cougar----5-bear-------------------------------------199-Total

2013
40-buck deer----70-bull elk----13-pronghorn----2-bull moose
3-bison----4-RMGoat----2-RMBH----2-DBH----40-turkey
12-cougar----12-bear----------------------------------200-Total

2014
37-buck deer----93-bull elk----21-pronghorn----2-bull moose
4-bison----6-RMGoat----2-RMBH----2-DBH----11-turkey
11-cougar----11-bear----------------------------------200-Total

2015
46-buck deer----90-bull elk----22-pronghorn----2-bull moose
4-bison----4-RMGoat----2-RMBH----2-DBH----10-turkey
7-cougar----11-bear-----------------------------------200-Total

2016
44-buck deer----92-bull elk----22-pronghorn----2-bull moose
4-bison----4-RMGoat----2-RMBH----2-DBH----10-turkey
7-cougar----11-bear-----------------------------------200-Total

2017
44-buck deer----92-bull elk----22-pronghorn----3-bull moose
3-bison----4-RMGoat----2-RMBH----2-DBH----10-turkey
7-cougar----11-bear-----------------------------------200-Total

2018
45-buck deer----90-bull elk----22-pronghorn----2-bull moose
4-bison----4-RMGoat----2-RMBH----2-DBH----10-turkey
8-cougar----11-bear-----------------------------------200-Total

2019
43-buck deer----92-bull elk----22-pronghorn----2-bull moose
4-bison----4-RMGoat----2-RMBH----2-DBH----5-turkey
7-cougar----11-bear----5-antlerless elk--------------199-Total

2020
45-buck deer----91-bull elk----22-pronghorn----2-bull moose
4-bison----4-RMGoat----2-RMBH----2-DBH----5-turkey
7-cougar----11-bear----5-antlerless elk---------------200-Total
 
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EFA is this an attempt to answere my sindlw question? Could you five more details of the number of bidders ect please
 
Man I got tot find a way to get back up there next week and put my name in the hat for the tags. I'll be spending money on hotel rooms, food, and fun. I won't win nothing but hell it would be a really good time with great people. I wish they would get 400 tags next year. I wish SFW would get their very own unit to manage as they see fit. I can't wait to see how much the AI buck tag sells for. It will be awesome. I just got back from there. Tons of nice folks that are really busy and care about wildlife. Trying to convince some more of my customers to bid on auction tags too. The reality of what is happening is way more satisfying than the internet jealousy. Hope you guys go and have fun also. Hope yall get out of the house and quit playing with your googlers. It's gonna be great.
 
Ok i see you know how to quote my question, how about answering it. Im not being a hard a$$.and if you dont know the anwsere thats fine im just curious.

EDIT.. EFA quoted my question again, with no other comment or text, this is what this responce was about
 
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Tri,
They do have about 400 tags. And AI is their own unit.

You are right. The local bedazzleer shop has to hire new employees. The local shirt stores brought in a truck of smedium shirts. There are even hat steamers on call in case of an emergency hat brim bend.

The local plastic surgeons ran specials last month, free expo tickets with a cup size increase. So mamma is set to unleash the girls along with all her hunting "knowledge"

We got lots of dental hygentists working 24-7 on teeth whitening.

The state word was officially changed to "Brooo"

But, sadly Tri, your buddy WLH is banned from AI guiding. Guess it's back to the nebo?
 
"But, sadly Tri, your buddy WLH is banned from AI guiding. Guess it's back to the nebo?"

Lmmfao
 
Hey Hossy!

I'm Gambling!

I've never Won a Dime or a Tag Yet!

Gotta Take My Chances!

I Sure The Hell Ain't Gaining any Ground in the Big Game Draw Neither!

My Odds SUCK!
 
Stonefly said:
EFA is this an attempt to answere my sindlw question? Could you five more details of the number of bidders ect please
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No, this was an answer to Grizzly's post about the history of the Expo tags and how the program was initially sold to the DWR and the public with 67 turkey tags and fewer big game tags and what it looks like now. It ain't what we were told it would be.

As far as your question goes, you apparently don't quite understand how the EXPO and Conservation tag programs work. While there may be OUTSIDE bids for other projects, the projects that are financed by the EXPO and Conservation money are not open to OUTSIDE bids. All of the bidding on those projects takes place at the time the tags are awarded to the various conservation groups.

In the case of the EXPO tags, that happened when the EXPO Partners (SFW, MDF and ?) beat out RMEF for the right to distribute the EXPO tags. You may remember that fiasco!

In the case of the Conservation/auctioned tags, that happens when qualifying conservation organizations are invited to a meeting where those tags are awarded by bids and/or other criteria. I'm not sure how that works, but they have to set some kind of figure that the conservation organization will be responsible for.

In both of those programs, there may be some subcontractors' bids, but the conservation organization is responsible for the funding.

Additionally, there may be funding from the Federal Government per the Robertson/Pittman Act and/or Forest Service, BLM, Park Service, Fish and Wildlife Service etc. per their management plans. AND there may even be some funding from other conservation organizations, but that would be on a voluntarily basis.

I certainly don't know all the details, but I do know that those programs are pretty well locked in with the current arrangements and any OUTSIDERS are looked upon with skepticism.

I'm sorry about the post without a reply (which is now deleted.) I didn't mean to post it.
 
Thank you for the info. I do remember the fiasco with the wildlife boards ex SFW members steeling the expo from the Elk Founfation and insuring that thier people maintain control for not just5 yrs but a bonus 5 for being so transperent about, well everthing. Sorry wasnt even thinking about that when asking my question. I think of a better way to ask it. BTW I belive you and I met several years ago when I did attend the expo. You signed myself and my wife ( littlebuck) up as members in the muledeer foundation. We are no longer members but at the time i liked the people and some of the ideas. And still belive MDF as a lone org is head and shoulders above $fw.
 
I hear they are expecting record attendance this year. Should be some great taxidermy too. Gotta figure out how to get off work and get there.
 
I was hoping the new forum format had run tristate off? Meh, none of us are that lucky.

Yeah, they may hit 50,000 people! Almost half of what geek conventions bring to the same building twice every year. The numbers are really not anything to brag about. They should be doing better with what they have to offer. I can take pictures and send them to you tri. Don’t fret too badly over this one.
 
You Gambling or not Niller?


Vanilla said:
I was hoping the new forum format had run tristate off? Meh, none of us are that lucky.

Yeah, they may hit 50,000 people! Almost half of what geek conventions bring to the same building twice every year. The numbers are really not anything to brag about. They should be doing better with what they have to offer. I can take pictures and send them to you tri. Don’t fret too badly over this one.
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I hope the geek conventions do great also. I don't see the point of coming on the internet and hoping things don't go well for other people. I never did understand vindictive teenage girls either.

If they have dipn' dots there it will be even better. Hope flat brim hats are there. I hope the hotels are full of rich people and working stiffs. Sure hope tons of kids show up. They need to know this is how hunting and wildlife conservation will make it in the 21st century. I hope people enter the kids in drawings to. Even buy some auction tags for youngsters.

Hopefully tons of politicians will attend. Its gonna be awesome. I really hope the internet cry babies go to. I hope they win some of the tags. I hope their kids go too.
 
Stonefly said:
Thank you for the info. I do remember the fiasco with the wildlife boards ex SFW members steeling the expo from the Elk Founfation and insuring that thier people maintain control for not just5 yrs but a bonus 5 for being so transperent about, well everthing. Sorry wasnt even thinking about that when asking my question. I think of a better way to ask it. BTW I belive you and I met several years ago when I did attend the expo. You signed myself and my wife ( littlebuck) up as members in the muledeer foundation. We are no longer members but at the time i liked the people and some of the ideas. And still belive MDF as a lone org is head and shoulders above $fw.
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You're welcome!

I'm not sure whether or not we have met, but I do know it wasn't at the EXPO, since I haven't attended it since before my father passed away in 2010 and, even then, I only went twice while he was alive because he wanted to go. And I was never in any booth there. Perhaps it was at the Outdoor Show in Provo a few years ago when I was at the UWC booth. In any case, your face looks familiar. You definitely look like an outdoorsman!

FWIW, I'm not entirely against the EXPO or the drawing. I just think they need to get back to the original promises they made when they made the proposal to establish the program, with fewer big game tags, 90% of the funds returned to wildlife, a transparent accounting of those funds and the projects they fund, and an honest, open bidding process for the conservation groups interested in conducting the drawing at their Utah convention. As I see it, none of that is happening now!

I do have a few other issues with the program as it now stands, but those are minor and much easier to fix in-house. (A more stable company doing the drawing, less deceptive advertising of the $5 application fee, using DWR funds and resources to advertise the EXPO and claiming that the drawing is just another public drawing.

In any case, I won't be going (again)!
 
Ill bet it was at the outdoor show, for years myself and littlebuck taught hunters ed. And we were invited to that show often. I also would like changes to the system as it is now. I fear there wont be any good come out of it in my hunting lifetime, and I dont like to think of this states future in hunting for my grandkids. I have been able to get 2 of the 6 started in the big game hunts the next one will be in 4 years, dont want to even think what it will be when the youngest come of age, 2 and4.
 
50,000 people is actually great numbers.
The world of concrete last year had a record attendance of 60,000 people. And the world of concrete is an enormous expo. Has been going for a ton of years. Is in a much larger venue. It’s one of the most successful expos. Plus it’s in Americans playground so there’s a lot more appeal as to the location . So....I’d say yes, the hunt expos numbers are very impressive.
I truly enjoy the expo. It’s a great time with great friends.
 
You can tell me that, but Fanx had 110,000 people in the same Salt Palace in the same year. And this was after extreme controversy and questions if the expo would even be able to continue.

So no, 50,000 isn’t all that impressive. I can guarantee RMEF bringing their annual convention with those tags would have pushed 100,000, if not more.

The expo is fine. I hope everyone that goes has a great time. Don’t try and sell me V6 Ford Ranger and tell me it’s a 1 ton Powerstroke.
 
I’d wager that more people are into FanX than are into hunting. By a long shot really.

and the elk foundation wouldn’t bring in that many people.
The elk foundation couldn’t prove their claim
To the state of Utah.
There are reasons that their bid wasn’t accepted.
Now if you believe that all of SFW and the expo and the fish and game are corrupt,
Then you’ll say the elk foundation had a better plan.
If you’re like me, I don’t believe that they’re corrupt.

I also accept the fact that money makes the world go round. Elk foundation isn’t exempt from needing cash. And the people that run it aren’t exempt from needing to make money either. I also accept the fact that people who run either organization need to be compensated. Some have left lucrative jobs to do what they’re doing. Whether it’s SFW, mule deer foundation, elk foundation SCI or the NRA.

I accept these facts of life. Hunting and conservation aren’t surviving via being free.
 
And when BC of The RMEF is Nothing More than a 'YES MAN' at any RAC/BGB Meetings what the Hell Good is that?

JUDAS!
 
RMEF expo in Vegas brought in over 80,000...without the additional appeal of the welfare tags offered. So you can say they wouldn’t, but they already have!

And yes, this process was corrupt. And I don’t “think” that was the case. I know it.
 
Hey Niller?

You Believe Me Now that We are Getting out-numbered by the Other Kinds?


Vanilla said:
I was hoping the new forum format had run tristate off? Meh, none of us are that lucky.

Yeah, they may hit 50,000 people! Almost half of what geek conventions bring to the same building twice every year. The numbers are really not anything to brag about. They should be doing better with what they have to offer. I can take pictures and send them to you tri. Don’t fret too badly over this one.
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Elk foundations expo is sistered up with cowboy Christmas, during the NFR as well. So in 10 days, they’ve brought in 80K people, and it’s with another convention going at the same time. Take it away from the cowboy Christmas and see what you’re left with. I’ve been to the expo. It really isn’t that great. It basically runs from the 3rd of December - the 12th of December. In Las Vegas. During the NFR. with another expo. Not. That. Impressive.
 
hossblur said:
Tri,
They do have about 400 tags. And AI is their own unit.

You are right. The local bedazzleer shop has to hire new employees. The local shirt stores brought in a truck of smedium shirts. There are even hat steamers on call in case of an emergency hat brim bend.

The local plastic surgeons ran specials last month, free expo tickets with a cup size increase. So mamma is set to unleash the girls along with all her hunting "knowledge"

We got lots of dental hygentists working 24-7 on teeth whitening.

The state word was officially changed to "Brooo"

But, sadly Tri, your buddy WLH is banned from AI guiding. Guess it's back to the nebo?
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WLH cant guide the island what did they do this time. Guess the texans will have to rely on another sheep run or pahavant tag. LMFAO:love:
 
Take away 200 welfare tags, see what the expo gets. I'd challenge 50k anyway. They might get 50k go through the doors, but 2/3 register their lotto and bail. I wonder what the PAID attendance is.

Don't forget some gained lucrative careers from it as well
 
Anybody that wonders where the term "Utard" comes from, simply needs to read this thread, and the 4,287 others just like it on this forum!
 
I think its pretty funny watching people argue over what group has more followers over at their convention and speculate what would make them have more or less in comparison to each other as if it matters.


I'll tell you a funny story and it's true. Every year we hold the TTAI convention. One specific year we had an awesome show. We were really proud of it. we had a great auction and raised a good sum of money. I think we had around 3000 people come through the show. The exact same weekend there was a different show also in Texas. It was the "Brony" convention. For those who don't know, these are men who like to dress up like My Little Ponies. They got to be on the news on all three major networks in Houston and their attendance was around 50,000. Next time you think your show, party, or convention, needs to be a popularity contest remember this story.
 
I agree with Tri. Attendance # are no confirmation of importance.

And ill even agree that expo and brony convention are pretty similar.

As usual Tri cuts right to the point
 
Tristate said:
I hope the geek conventions do great also. I don't see the point of coming on the internet and hoping things don't go well for other people. I never did understand vindictive teenage girls either.

If they have dipn' dots there it will be even better. Hope flat brim hats are there. I hope the hotels are full of rich people and working stiffs. Sure hope tons of kids show up. They need to know this is how hunting and wildlife conservation will make it in the 21st century. I hope people enter the kids in drawings to. Even buy some auction tags for youngsters.

Hopefully tons of politicians will attend. Its gonna be awesome. I really hope the internet cry babies go to. I hope they win some of the tags. I hope their kids go too.
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And everyone wishes you would log off and work on your taxidermy.
 
The numbers are only important because the SFW supporters make it that way. That number of attendees is always thrown out as a counter-point to anyone that says anything against the expo, even by tri. So again, he's just a hypocrite.

Again, don't package a V6 and tell me it is a Powerstroke. Nothing wrong with that new little Ranger. It's kind of a cool little truck, in my opinion. But it won't tow a 5th wheel, so don't pretend like I should think it will.
 
"That number of attendees is always thrown out as a counter-point to anyone that says anything against the expo, even by tri. "


Do you read anything I write? I am pretty sure I have never thrown out the attendee number.


Never let the truth get in the way of a prosecution.
 
Vanilla said:
don't package a V6 and tell me it is a Powerstroke. Nothing wrong with that new little Ranger. It's kind of a cool little truck, in my opinion. But it won't tow a 5th wheel, so don't pretend like I should think it will.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa! The V6 Powerstroke is in the F-150, the Ranger has a I4 Ecoboost and its a demon on wheels! :cool:

They're AWESOME in the mountains!!! You're welcome to take mine for a spin sometime if you want

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PS. A guy I know pulls a 2-horse slant trailer with his Ranger. Crazy, but true!
 
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I was actually just telling my wife this week that those Rangers are cool trucks and would be fun to drive around. Nothing against them.

Got the engine wrong. That’s always great when trying to make a point...Principle is still the same.

Call the expo what it is, don’t try to sell me on something that it is not.
 
And One More Thing Niller!

Your Little Saying Ain't Too Far Off!

Replace the V-6 & The Powerstroke with PISSCUTTER & QUALITY Buck & You'll Be Starting to Talk Some Good SMACK!:D
 
If the expo is a mo-ped its still better than any other show offered out there. It brings a lot of out of state revenue to Utah that they wouldn't have without it. That is a fact.

By the way what ever happened to the UWC?
 
Not to the state.

To local hospitality industry absolutely.

But they got a nice tax break. They get gov welfare. The DWR pays their employees to man the lotto booths. The DWR advertises for it.

You can't argue they bring in hotel and restaraunt money, and that's great.

But this ain't Texas. We get huge out of state money every time it snows.

As usual you conviently mix up 2 things.

No one cares what they do with their expo. In fact, no one would care if they had a couple tags to auction off, similar to RMEF, MDF, etc at their banquets.

The issue is, and always has been HOW they got those 200 tags, and how much it costs the state to have them sell them.

You said so yourself. Your convention drew 3000. Other shows here probably get under 10k.

The population will follow the tags. Which $fw is well aware of, which is exactly why they worked so hard, and cheated so much to retain them.

If we gave you 200 welfare tags, your show would pull 50k
 
If the State truly cared about hospitality revenue, they wouldn't have run off Outdoor Retailer and the $45,000,000 it brought to the state each year.
 
Guys you are desperately blabbering about things that have very little to nothing to do with what I have said.

You are desperate whipped dogs. You have nothing but emotional hatred for a group that is succeeding. THIS IS CHILDISH. YOU ARE BEING CHILDISH. They have had the expo for years doing the same thing getting bigger and better each year and yall are still crying and crying and crying each year when they have another one. DO you really think one day your crying is going to make your childish dreams come true? Really? Its like watching those little kids that throw tantrums when mom or dad try and make them eat anything besides chicken nuggets.

You lost. They got the bid to distribute the tags. The other group that got on here and lied to everybody didn't get the bid. Sorry You and the liars didn't get your way. Too bad. Cry me a little hand full. I've seen a lot of people take an a55 whipping. I've even taken a few. You are the only pansies I have seen crying about it years later.
 
Your wrongness knows no bounds, no need to stop now.

Thanks for your valued commentary from Houston
 
Tri reminds me of every wife beater I have ever come across. The woman has the audacity to make any observation and gets lashed out at in completely irrational ways because of it. Guy gets out of jail because he threatens his wife and next thing you know he’s bragging about having “won” and telling that little woman to know her role and stay in her place.

So many parallels here it’s striking.
 
Daaaaaaaang must have hit a nerve when I reminded you how the other bidding party lied flat out to everyone on MM.

I wonder how much it played into the decision process? Should we go with the group that is proven and makes money or the out of state liars? Hmmmmmmm? Let me think.......
 



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Calling people stupid and most other crappy names will not be tolerated. You all can be better than that. I understand some have differing opinions, but naming calling is uncool. Please stop.
 
Tristate said:
Daaaaaaaang must have hit a nerve when I reminded you how the other bidding party lied flat out to everyone on MM.

I wonder how much it played into the decision process? Should we go with the group that is proven and makes money or the out of state liars? Hmmmmmmm? Let me think.......
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Hey boy, I'm new here, what did they lie about?
 
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