End region G point creep!

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Let’s end region G point creep! Make region G once in a lifetime for non residents. This will not only solve the point creep problem but fix the problem of non residents whining about how the residents have OTC tags for there. It will not matter since you can only hunt it once!
 
Let’s end region G point creep! Make region G once in a lifetime for non residents. This will not only solve the point creep problem but fix the problem of non residents whining about how the residents have OTC tags for there. It will not matter since you can only hunt it once!
I’m guessing you weren’t even slightly sober when you wrote this
 
How about charging Wyo res a $200 “premium general” license fee to hunt region G? I’m sober and think this is a great idea to possibly reduce hunting pressure and increase trophy quality of bucks in G! Wyo res can still hunt G each year if they are willing to pay the price of a premium tag!!
 
How about charging Wyo res a $200 “premium general” license fee to hunt region G? I’m sober and think this is a great idea to possibly reduce hunting pressure and increase trophy quality of bucks in G! Wyo res can still hunt G each year if they are willing to pay the price of a premium tag!!
example one. These posts would go away if it was OIL.

screw the 90/10 let’s get em where it hurts!!!
 
How about charging Wyo res a $200 “premium general” license fee to hunt region G? I’m sober and think this is a great idea to possibly reduce hunting pressure and increase trophy quality of bucks in G! Wyo res can still hunt G each year if they are willing to pay the price of a premium tag!!
Will have the opposite effect...when people pay extra for a tag, or have to draw, they're killing a deer with it.

Would absolutely kill more deer charging more...nobody cares about not filling a $40 OTC tag.
 
Will have the opposite effect...when people pay extra for a tag, or have to draw, they're killing a deer with it.

Would absolutely kill more deer charging more...nobody cares about not filling a $40 OTC tag.
Yep, when I pay out of state fees, I bring home meat, no matter what. It's hard to justify the time away and the money spent to the other half if you don't bring home some freezer fare..
 
How many res hunters will be willing to pay $200 for a deer tag when they can pay chunk change to kill a meat buck in a regular priced unit? Sounds like a great scenario to me!

Serious res hunters that currently hunt g harvest bucks regardless of how much they pay for tags. In reality how many Wyo res hunters are serious trophy deer hunters....my guess is only tiny fraction of the total Wyo res hunters!

G currently gets hammered by Wyo res hunters because it's the first season to open in Wyo in the fall. What happens if Wyo res are faced with paying a premium fee to hunt g? Do you really think the majority of Wyo res are going to pay $200 to shoot a meat buck in g when they can shoot a meat buck in other regular priced general units for chunk change? My bet is that a lot of Wyo res would suddenly quit hunting g.

I hear constant whining from Wyo res about raising tag prices even $10! Fewer res hunters willing to travel to Western Wyo and pay high fees means fewer deer harvested!
 
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How many res hunters will be willing to pay $200 for a deer tag when they can pay chunk change to kill a meat buck in a regular priced unit? Sounds like a great scenario to me!

Serious res hunters that currently hunt g harvest bucks regardless of how much they pay for tags. In reality how many Wyo res hunters are serious trophy deer hunters....my guess is only tiny fraction of the total Wyo res hunters!

G currently gets hammered by Wyo res hunters because it's the first season to open in Wyo in the fall. What happens if Wyo res are faced with paying a premium fee to hunt g? Do you really think the majority of Wyo res are going to pay $200 to shoot a meat buck in g when they can shoot a meat buck in other regular priced general units for chunk change? My bet is that a lot of Wyo res would suddenly quit hunting g.

I hear constant whining from Wyo res about raising tag prices even $10! Fewer res hunters willing to travel to Western Wyo and pay high fees means fewer deer harvested!
I'm almost embarrassed to admit I read this, but it's chump change, not "chunk change". :ROFLMAO:
 
Will have the opposite effect...when people pay extra for a tag, or have to draw, they're killing a deer with it.

Would absolutely kill more deer charging more...nobody cares about not filling a $40 OTC tag.
Absolutely true. If i paid 200$ for a tag this last year i could have shot a nice buck opening day but instead i kept after a certain buck. It never came to fruition but had i paid 200$ i would of been happy with the really nice buck i had the shot at opening morning. Also why not just charge non residents another 500$ for the premium tag and let residents hunt for free. Sounds pretty good
 
But i also paid way more then 200$ just to get there and hunt it. 200$ is not going to stop most residents in most situations from hunting where they want and if they do pay an extra 200$ allot more will be going home with a buck you can count on that
 
How about charging Wyo res a $200 “premium general” license fee to hunt region G? I’m sober and think this is a great idea to possibly reduce hunting pressure and increase trophy quality of bucks in G! Wyo res can still hunt G each year if they are willing to pay the price of a premium tag!!
That’s adorable that you think $200 would deter anybody from hunting deer in Western Wyoming. If anything, it would cause people to shoot all the four point bucks out of the genetic pool. And there would be nothing but big gnarly three points running around. Right?
 
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That’s adorable that you think $200 would deter anybody from hunting deer in Western Wyoming. If anything, it would cause people to shoot all the four point bucks out of the genetic pool. And there would be nothing but big gnarly three points running around. Right?
Thats whats happening already, 3yr old 4 points dont stand a chance over there any more..
 
That’s adorable that you think $200 would deter anybody from hunting deer in Western Wyoming. If anything, it would cause people to shoot all the four point bucks out of the genetic pool. And there would be nothing but big gnarly three points running around. Right?
Oh man is it too early to call this post of the year? Well done Chance well done!
 
If I was a monster muley fanatic and had the opportunity to hunt a quality unit with fewer hunters in the field and higher trophy quality bucks available I would certainly be willing to pay a chunk more for a tag or wait a year or 2 for a tag. In fact, I don't think there are any true monster muley fanatics (resident or nonres) on this website that would turn such an opportunity down!

It's pretty funny to see the same ole condescending comments from the same Wyo res on this website year after year! It sounds to me that Wyo res aren't willing to make ANY sacrifices to improve mule deer opportunities in Wyo. Nonres already wait years to draw a tag, pay higher license fees, etc. How about it Wyo residents....are you ready to step up to the plate and help make this happen?

The POTENTIAL trophy quality in G is amazing but will G ever reach it's FULL POTENTIAL? The bigger question is....how can this happen in region G. It totally amazes me that there are whopper bucks pulled out of G every year when there is such pressure placed on top tier bucks. The mind-blowing deal is.....how great would G be if the WG&F was given the opportunity to manage BOTH res and nonres hunter numbers.

As long as Wyo residents continue down the same old road nothing will change. It's obvious from the Wyo res posts above they don't really care and aren't open to any sacrifices that could possibly improve the quality hunt experience and trophy quality of bucks in G. Pretty sad if you ask me!

Converting Wyo res to a draw in G would be the quickest and easiest route to take if the WG&F truly wants to manage hunter numbers and quality of bucks. How can the WG&F manage deer and hunter numbers with unlimited res deer tags in G? As it currently stands the WG&F can manage nonres tags issued and harvested but have no way to managing Wyo res.

How about it Wyo res are you ready to step up to the plate or are you fine to continue as it is?

I guess we will agree to disagree that the average Joe Wyo res will be willing to pay $200 for a premium deer tag in G when the majority of Wyo res hunters likely shoot the first legal meat buck they see in a unit close to home where they can buy a cheap tag.

As I mentioned in my previous post, dedicated hunters will harvest top tier bucks regardless of the price they pay for a tag. I think it's a bit off to think that res hunters likely aren't going to pass up a buck just because it cost them more for a tag. They will be able to hunt the same general unit again the following year for $200 so why pass up super nice bucks?

Buzz, JM, Bookhead, and Slightlysober. Please give us constructive recommendations on how this can happen rather than ripping others apart! What do you say guys?

Here are 2 questions for Buzz, JM, Bookhead, and SS:

#1 Do you thing things should remain as they are in G?

#2 What constructive suggestions do you have?
 
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If I was a monster muley fanatic and had the opportunity to hunt a quality unit with fewer hunters in the field and higher trophy quality bucks available I would certainly be willing to pay a chunk more for a tag or wait a year or 2 for a tag. In fact, I don't think there are any true monster muley fanatics (resident or nonres) on this website that would turn such an opportunity down!

It's pretty funny to see the same ole condescending comments from the same Wyo res on this website year after year! It sounds to me that Wyo res aren't willing to make ANY sacrifices to improve mule deer opportunities in Wyo. Nonres already wait years to draw a tag, pay higher license fees, etc. How about it Wyo residents....are you ready to step up to the plate and help make this happen?

The POTENTIAL trophy quality in G is amazing but will G ever reach it's FULL POTENTIAL? The bigger question is....how can this happen in region G. It totally amazes me that there are whopper bucks pulled out of G every year when there is such pressure placed on top tier bucks. The mind-blowing deal is.....how great would G be if the WG&F was given the opportunity to manage BOTH res and nonres hunter numbers.

As long as Wyo residents continue down the same old road nothing will change. It's obvious from the Wyo res posts above they don't really care and aren't open to any sacrifices that could possibly improve the quality hunt experience and trophy quality of bucks in G. Pretty sad if you ask me!

Converting Wyo res to a draw in G would be the quickest and easiest route to take if the WG&F truly wants to manage hunter numbers and quality of bucks. How can the WG&F manage deer and hunter numbers with unlimited res deer tags in G? As it currently stands the WG&F can manage nonres tags issued and harvested but have no way to managing Wyo res.

How about it Wyo res are you ready to step up to the plate or are you fine to continue as it is?

I guess we will agree to disagree that the average Joe Wyo res will be willing to pay $200 for a premium deer tag in G when the majority of Wyo res hunters likely shoot the first legal meat buck they see in a unit close to home where they can buy a cheap tag.

As I mentioned in my previous post, dedicated hunters will harvest top tier bucks regardless of the price they pay for a tag. I think it's a bit off to think that res hunters likely aren't going to pass up a buck just because it cost them more for a tag. They will be able to hunt the same general unit again the following year for $200 so why pass up super nice bucks?

Buzz, JM, Bookhead, and Slightlysober. Please give us constructive recommendations on how this can happen rather than ripping others apart! What do you say guys?

Here are 2 questions for Buzz, JM, Bookhead, and SS:

#1 Do you thing things should remain as they are in G?

#2 What constructive suggestions do you have?
You actually asked 7 questions. But I will answer the two most important to you that you put at the end.

1). No. I think non residents should be limited to OIL for G AND H. Let more people get to enjoy the country. If you love it so much come back with an elk tag in your pocket.

2). No suggestions need. There is nothing wrong with G (and H) right now. I counted 15 bucks I know of harvest in G last year that grossed over 200. 9 in region H. There are plenty I don’t know about. Show me another area in the west that does that. Why limit residents? So we can get more bucks to the number 200 that is just a number? No thank you. Guess what Jims there’s more to it than numbers. Plenty of deer to maintain resident hunting as is. If buck numbers increase which they will make the season more liberal. As it decreases decrease season length. Last measure let’s cut more non resident tags. But keep it OTC and always take care of residents first.
 
Thanks SS! It's good to hear your view on G and H. Hopefully the other res guys I listed will be willing to answer the 2 questions.
 
Better question. Why does Wyoming really need any NR hunters at all? I think there are plenty of resident hunters with plenty of money to fund the WGFD. How much would you residents pay for a second general deer tag if it were available? I bet it would be plenty enough to make up for the revenue lost if NR's were turned away at the border.#WyomingBorderWall.-----SS
 
Better question. Why does Wyoming really need any NR hunters at all? I think there are plenty of resident hunters with plenty of money to fund the WGFD. How much would you residents pay for a second general deer tag if it were available? I bet it would be plenty enough to make up for the revenue lost if NR's were turned away at the border.#WyomingBorderWall.-----SS
HELL YEAH!!! Oh boy I could hear the crying now!!’
 
Wyo residents get special privileges bc we endure the 8 months of winter every year. If you can handle the winters then you get to enjoy the benefits of being a res. There is a reason I moved to WyoHomeing. Sorry non res guys.. pay the money and build the points and come hunt.

PS I am a resident that hasn't hunted G yet but will someday before it becomes a draw area for us. Haha.
 
As per always jims is only looking for jims and thinks the only way to manage is for trophy quality deer.

As usual, he asks questions before getting the horse in front of the cart.

The first thing to consider in management of big-game is to ask the Resident hunters what they really want. I bet if you asked all the hunters that chase deer in region G what they really want, a vast majority don't care about trophy quality. Most probably want the ability to hunt every year, to spend time with their families and friends...actually killing a big deer probably isn't a high priority. Sure, most hunters will kill a great deer if they see one, but not if it means going to a draw where they can't hunt but once every 5-6 year. They want to carry on the traditions of hunting deer each fall with a tag they can pick up over the counter.

So, I don't believe for one second that most are that serious about managing strictly for trophy bucks.

Even if they are, lots of ways to skin the cat to help Residents with managing for trophy deer in G and H, here are a few:

1. Deeper cuts to NR tags.
2. No spotting scopes allowed during the season.
3. No optics of any kind on either rifles, binoculars, etc. over 10 power.
4. Reduce the number of outfitters working in that country by half.
5. No range finders.
6. No rifle that shoots over 2700 feet per second.
7. Ban flying and scouting for game from aircraft year round.
8. Shorter seasons, short enough that outfitters can only run one group of hunters per season.
9. Resident only seasons every other year, something like on even numbered years, its Residents only.
10. Resident only hunting for the first 5 days of the season.

There are all kinds of things that Residents could do to improve hunt quality and trophy quality in G and H without going to draw.

However, I don't think a vast majority are willing to go to draw only to achieve killing a slightly better buck.
 
If I was a monster muley fanatic and had the opportunity to hunt a quality unit with fewer hunters in the field and higher trophy quality bucks available I would certainly be willing to pay a chunk more for a tag or wait a year or 2 for a tag. In fact, I don't think there are any true monster muley fanatics (resident or nonres) on this website that would turn such an opportunity down!

It's pretty funny to see the same ole condescending comments from the same Wyo res on this website year after year! It sounds to me that Wyo res aren't willing to make ANY sacrifices to improve mule deer opportunities in Wyo. Nonres already wait years to draw a tag, pay higher license fees, etc. How about it Wyo residents....are you ready to step up to the plate and help make this happen?

The POTENTIAL trophy quality in G is amazing but will G ever reach it's FULL POTENTIAL? The bigger question is....how can this happen in region G. It totally amazes me that there are whopper bucks pulled out of G every year when there is such pressure placed on top tier bucks. The mind-blowing deal is.....how great would G be if the WG&F was given the opportunity to manage BOTH res and nonres hunter numbers.

As long as Wyo residents continue down the same old road nothing will change. It's obvious from the Wyo res posts above they don't really care and aren't open to any sacrifices that could possibly improve the quality hunt experience and trophy quality of bucks in G. Pretty sad if you ask me!

Converting Wyo res to a draw in G would be the quickest and easiest route to take if the WG&F truly wants to manage hunter numbers and quality of bucks. How can the WG&F manage deer and hunter numbers with unlimited res deer tags in G? As it currently stands the WG&F can manage nonres tags issued and harvested but have no way to managing Wyo res.

How about it Wyo res are you ready to step up to the plate or are you fine to continue as it is?

I guess we will agree to disagree that the average Joe Wyo res will be willing to pay $200 for a premium deer tag in G when the majority of Wyo res hunters likely shoot the first legal meat buck they see in a unit close to home where they can buy a cheap tag.

As I mentioned in my previous post, dedicated hunters will harvest top tier bucks regardless of the price they pay for a tag. I think it's a bit off to think that res hunters likely aren't going to pass up a buck just because it cost them more for a tag. They will be able to hunt the same general unit again the following year for $200 so why pass up super nice bucks?

Buzz, JM, Bookhead, and Slightlysober. Please give us constructive recommendations on how this can happen rather than ripping others apart! What do you say guys?

Here are 2 questions for Buzz, JM, Bookhead, and SS:

#1 Do you thing things should remain as they are in G?

#2 What constructive suggestions do you have?
You're premium priced license idea has been discussed resulting in little support; so you didn't blaze that trail. Regardless, it would require legislative action and those chances are slim to none. Sorry you wasted your time on that subject.

Question #1 Yes
Question #2 Participate in public meetings and don't let youth shoot doe mule deer in antlered only seasons.
 
#1 no, non residents should get 10% or less of licenses. No point sharing unless it's direct family members or youth.
#2 should have to have non resident shed hunting licenses and that should be limited quota too by region and should have preference points for that too. The money from that can go to improve herd quantity and quality
 
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It would be great to hear from other Wyo res that hunt G on a regular basis whether they are happy with things as they are in g.

Thanks for the constructive responses!
 
How many res hunters will be willing to pay $200 for a deer tag when they can pay chunk change to kill a meat buck in a regular priced unit? Sounds like a great scenario to me!

Serious res hunters that currently hunt g harvest bucks regardless of how much they pay for tags. In reality how many Wyo res hunters are serious trophy deer hunters....my guess is only tiny fraction of the total Wyo res hunters!

G currently gets hammered by Wyo res hunters because it's the first season to open in Wyo in the fall. What happens if Wyo res are faced with paying a premium fee to hunt g? Do you really think the majority of Wyo res are going to pay $200 to shoot a meat buck in g when they can shoot a meat buck in other regular priced general units for chunk change? My bet is that a lot of Wyo res would suddenly quit hunting g.

I hear constant whining from Wyo res about raising tag prices even $10! Fewer res hunters willing to travel to Western Wyo and pay high fees means fewer deer harvested!
I think while we are at it we should charge people like you who beg and promise handicap hunters to share their points. Let's say $500.00 for guys who make promises they can't keep on a big buck in 90. By the way, how did 90 treat you and your handicap "new buddy". See it can work both ways, except we residents don't have to take advantage of people to hunt G and H every year. I will pay the $200, will you pay $500 every year you find a new buddy who shares their points with you?
 
It would be great to hear from other Wyo res that hunt G on a regular basis whether they are happy with things as they are in g.

Thanks for the constructive responses!
I’m a Resident and not happy with region G. Area 144 and area 143 need to go limited quota and the season moved to Oct. 1st opener in G and only a 10 day season for all areas and the elk harvest doubled.
 
I wonder how many other Wyo res that hunt G on a regular basis share the same concern or would rather have things remaining as they are?
 
I wonder how many other Wyo res that hunt G on a regular basis share the same concern or would rather have things remaining as they are?
I talk to maybe 50-60 hunters in G when I'm working there every year...never have heard one say they want it to go draw only. In fact, most seem pretty happy to be hunting there.
 
It would be great to hear from other Wyo res that hunt G on a regular basis whether they are happy with things as they are in g.

Thanks for the constructive responses!
Hunt G&H every year with both my son’s. All in all we are happy with how it is managed. The good far outweighs the bad. Love that we can hunt it every year. Season s start early and are long which is nice. Happy with the bucks we see. Less pressure would be great but being able to hunt it every year trumps that every time for us. I have only taken 1 buck in either unit in the last 12 years. Sons have never taken a buck there, they have been hunting it for 3 years. We strictly hunt for that special buck in those regions and crossing paths has been few and far between. Baggs units, elk and white tails are for filling freezers for us.
 
I’m a Resident and not happy with region G. Area 144 and area 143 need to go limited quota and the season moved to Oct. 1st opener in G and only a 10 day season for all areas and the elk harvest doubled.
So let me ask you a question. If you're not happy with G, areas 144/143 in particular, do you still head there every year and hunt? If so, do you hunt just 10 days, or take advantage of the full season? I often wonder about people who say they want change, however, need a law/regulation to do so. If you aren't happy with G, and want to see a change, stop hunting there. One less deer killed. Personal choices.

I love hunting H every year. Definitely not what it used to be, but better than 95% of places I've hunted. I try and find older class, mature deer and don't hunt H for meat, or just needing a KILL. I rarely pull the trigger, which is a personal choice.

What some NR refuse to understand is not all residents hunt G/H. Some make it sound like every mule deer hunter in Wyoming heads straight to G/H each season. I have talked to hunters who have lived in Wyoming their entire life, but never once set foot in either area. Its not for everyone and definitely not for the aging hunter.
 
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It’s no wonder that few Wyo res are willing to post or share constructive thoughts on this website! Holy smokes buzz, Jm, grosventre, bookhead, and ss are brutal! Who’s the next wyo res that joins their clan of shame?
 
It’s no wonder that few Wyo res are willing to post or share constructive thoughts on this website! Holy smokes buzz, Jm, grosventre, bookhead, and ss are brutal! Who’s the next wyo res that joins their clan of shame?
When you start calling residents whiney, selfish and sling mud don't get upset when people respond. Just a little advice....
 
So let me ask you a question. If you're not happy with G, areas 144/143 in particular, do you still head there every year and hunt? If so, do you hunt just 10 days, or take advantage of the full season? I often wonder about people who say they want change, however, need a law/regulation to do so. If you aren't happy with G, and want to see a change, stop hunting there. One less deer killed. Personal choices.

I love hunting H every year. Definitely not what it used to be, but better than 95% of places I've hunted. I try and find older class, mature deer and don't hunt H for meat, or just needing a KILL. I rarely pull the trigger, which is a personal choice.

What some NR refuse to understand is not all residents hunt G/H. Some make it sound like every mule deer hunter in Wyoming heads straight to G/H each season. I have talked to hunters who have lived in Wyoming their entire life, but never once set foot in either area. Its not for everyone and definitely not for the aging hunter.
I don’t hunt 144 but occasionally venture into 143 and the surrounding areas. 144 and 143 would create a buffer zone stretching from the Idaho border thru 143 into the Winter range. The increasing boom in elk numbers has directly affected the deer herds. We know this from many past studies which demonstrate how elk herds affect deer ecology. I haven’t killed a deer in almost a decade but I have lived and hunted there in G/H for 45+ years. It is the worst now I’ve ever seen it. High alpine basins which all held mature bucks in the 70s and 80s are now full of hunter orange and Elk. Sad how it has been going downhill for decades.
 
Jeeebus can’t we all just chase big bucks in peace?! ?? Any of you iron jaws resi’s and or non resident brothers are welcome around my one man tent, probably even let you use my glassing chair for a sec.....maybe. I’d help pack yer sh** out if needed, give you a sip of my last bit of water or tell you to get fu**ed and then be quick to apologize. Seems to be some big britches to fill around this place.
 
It’s no wonder that few Wyo res are willing to post or share constructive thoughts on this website! Holy smokes buzz, Jm, grosventre, bookhead, and ss are brutal! Who’s the next wyo res that joins their clan of shame?
Founder should have an age limit on who can post on this forum. No one under 18 allowed.
 
highfastflyer, honest question. Are you an Outfitter?

I personally love the hunting in Western Wyoming and I once thought it would be a good idea to make it limited quota but I have since changed my mind.
I really like hunting every year and I hope the deer herd can rebound after the brutal winter of 2016-17. Plenty of mature bucks on the winter range this last winter to breed all of the does. Save a deer, kill a coyote.
 
Charge $2,000 per tag. Residents and non-residents in the same pool. Overall tag fees will skyrocket, which can be used to increase the herd. More opportunity in the future for those willing to pay.
 
highfastflyer, honest question. Are you an Outfitter?

I personally love the hunting in Western Wyoming and I once thought it would be a good idea to make it limited quota but I have since changed my mind.
I really like hunting every year and I hope the deer herd can rebound after the brutal winter of 2016-17. Plenty of mature bucks on the winter range this last winter to breed all of the does. Save a deer, kill a coyote.
Not an Outfitter and doubt any outfitter would support LQ. I certainly don’t want G/H to go LQ but I think a small buffer area in the Wyoming Range core in 144 and 143 only would provide a safe haven if these two units were LQ. The rest remain General. I work and drive across those Winter Ranges weekly and this is the worst in 40+ years I have ever seen this herd with low numbers, very few mature bucks and deer in poor shape, luckily it was a mild winter.
 
I don't get on here much anymore. Its bad for my blood pressure. Mule Deer are never going to make a come back ,for lots of reasons. People are moving to Star Valley in Droves most are Hunters from California & Washington. Try finding a house right now........ So ya Deer numbers continue to decrease and Residents continue to increase. Just cut a few more Non Resident tags to make up for it. NOT.... I like flyer's Idea but I was thinking LQ in 145. No one watches the Deer more than I do. The Deer are in a bad way. The Deer are all but gone on the Star Valley face. We have to take some pressure off the Deer we have left.
 
I have a feeling that if left a general unit for res but with a later opening date when most other general units open there would be fewer hunters since some would hunt favorite units that open the same date closer to home.

this would likely be unpopular with outfitters since they would have fewer clients but more bucks would make it through a shorter season. Outfitters also likely harvest some of the higher quality bucks in the unit. My guess is that success rates will also drop since bucks are a lot tougher to find and hunt in October than Sept with rifle.

kind of a compromise between outfitters but still allowing general deer tags each year for res.

no one is likely going to be happy with changes but how about a compromise?
 
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Not an Outfitter and doubt any outfitter would support LQ.
The bulk of their clients are already on a limited quota system. Several outfitters have been calling for a limited quota system for the last decade. Some have even gotten out of the game...their choice. From an outfitters perspective, suppressing resident numbers would only benefit their clients experience.
 
I like everybody fighting over these two zones!! I think we should just let everybody hunt over there every year. We could rename it northeast utah....
 
Now I want the story on jims hunt last year. How did it go jims?
Maybe your hunting buddy will chime in.

Never hunted G myself for deer but may this fall if spouse draws a moose tag.
 
I live in region H and about 5 miles from G. I think what it needs is less pressure. There are people everywhere. I feel bad for the deer at this point.
 
Yep, when I pay out of state fees, I bring home meat, no matter what. It's hard to justify the time away and the money spent to the other half if you don't bring home some freezer fare..
Not me. If i don't find a buck or bull i want to kill I come home with the tag. All i feel is disappointment and failure to come home with a meat buck.
 
Jims you do realize that the deer in region g start to migrate in october rite? It would make it easier to kill them not harder
All he is saying and I agree is move the hunt out of September to Oct. 1st with a short 7 day season, 10 days at most. This would stop many residents from driving all across the state to hunt G on Sept. 15th and then hunt their local area on Oct. 1st. The season in many areas already goes in G from Seot. 15th to Oct. 7th. Just shorten it from Oct. 1st to Oct. 7th or 10th at the latest. The elk hunt always starts on the 15th but the elk harvest needs to double. I still say create a LQ safe haven in areas 144 and 143 which gives the deer a safe area extending almost from Idaho clear through to the Winter ranges. Keep all the rest of the areas in G/H General. Also area 135 needs to have the same opening date as all the rest of G/H. There are far too many, myself included hunting the Sept15th opener then moving down to 135 for that opening date on Oct. 1st.
 
Wyo clan of shame....... do you realize that every week the season is open in g that outfitters have an entirely new set of clients that show up? Do you also realize that few of the better outfitted hunters likely never return home without bucks and some of the top bucks harvested each year in g? The longer the season is open the more bucks that are harvested regardless of whether deer start moving.

Mature muley bucks are a totally different critter once they shed their velvet. G has plenty of extremely isolated tough areas where bucks hide out and age if the season was shorter in October. If the oct hunt is so good I’m sure most hunters would wait to hunt. Add deep snow to that terrain and it can be a nightmare during oct in g.

I agree 100% with Highfastflyer.....I’m certain that a lot of res likely won’t hunt g in October if their seasons close to home opens at the same time.

The Wyo clan of shame can twist and turn stuff ....and ridicule me all they want. It just shows everyone they have no constructive management strategies and could care less.

Wyo res should maintain the same number of tags regardless of what it means to mule deer and crowded hunting conditions.....come on guys....really?
 
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Shortening the season wont make outfitters take less clients. all they have to do is hire more guides. I am one most seasons. I dont think it will cause less residents to hunt it either. It's not really an area you can just decide on friday your gonna hunt it saturday and drive across the state and be successfull. Most residents including myself plan all year for it a successful hunt as anyone who has hunted it knows is very strategic
 
Shortening the season wont make outfitters take less clients. all they have to do is hire more guides. I am one most seasons. I dont think it will cause less residents to hunt it either. It's not really an area you can just decide on friday your gonna hunt it saturday and drive across the state and be successfull. Most residents including myself plan all year for it a successful hunt as anyone who has hunted it knows is very strategic
It’s not that easy to just hire more guides. Biggest issue is horses and forest service permits. Most camps have a limit on the number of camps and clients they are allowed. Doubtful the Forest Service will allow more camps and bigger camps. Skilled guides are not not easily accessible. If they only have one or two hunts it limits the amount of clients they can guide dramatically vs. a 21 day season where they get 4 groups of hunters for 5 days. Many residents will drive across state for a Seot. 15th opener but when the hunters from Gillette or Casper have to choose between the Powder River basin in their backyard or a short season which makes them miss the family reunion hunt in their backyard and drive clear across the state they pass on the expensive long drive. Even 500 resident hunters not hunting in G/H makes a big difference considering G only allows 400 total non-residents.
 
I’ve personally never talked to any resident deer hunters in there who weren’t from Lincoln, Sublette, Teton, Uinta, or Sweetwater county. Never seen any license plates from the other side of the state either. Have however seen the mass migration event that occurs in November of hunters from Western WY converging on the Black Hills to hunt Whitetail.
 
The Wyo clan of shame can twist and turn stuff ....and ridicule me all they want. It just shows everyone they have no constructive management strategies and could care less.
Dude, when you feel the need for name calling, just take a couple Prozac. I'm certain you will feel better.
 
The Wyo clan of shame can twist and turn stuff ....and ridicule me all they want. It just shows everyone they have no constructive management strategies and could care less.

No it’s not that the residents do not have “constructive management strategies” it’s that YOU don’t listen.
 
I’ve personally never talked to any resident deer hunters in there who weren’t from Lincoln, Sublette, Teton, Uinta, or Sweetwater county. Never seen any license plates from the other side of the state either. Have however seen the mass migration event that occurs in November of hunters from Western WY converging on the Black Hills to hunt Whitetail.
Large groups and camps from Cheyenne, Casper and Gillette. Look closer the 1, 2 and 17s are widespread and a plethora of them.
 
It’s not that easy to just hire more guides. Biggest issue is horses and forest service permits. Most camps have a limit on the number of camps and clients they are allowed. Doubtful the Forest Service will allow more camps and bigger camps. Skilled guides are not not easily accessible. If they only have one or two hunts it limits the amount of clients they can guide dramatically vs. a 21 day season where they get 4 groups of hunters for 5 days. Many residents will drive across state for a Seot. 15th opener but when the hunters from Gillette or Casper have to choose between the Powder River basin in their backyard or a short season which makes them miss the family reunion hunt in their backyard and drive clear across the state they pass on the expensive long drive. Even 500 resident hunters not hunting in G/H makes a big difference considering G only allows 400 total non-residents.
It's probably best to not spread bs on the internet about stuff you obviously know nothing about. When an outfitter leases a camp from natl forest they are not restricted on how many people they're allowed to have in their camp and their use days are not restricted on how many clients they can take during those days. It is that simple they can and will take the same amount of clients in a shorter season
 
It's probably best to not spread bs on the internet about stuff you obviously know nothing about. When an outfitter leases a camp from natl forest they are not restricted on how many people they're allowed to have in their camp and their use days are not restricted on how many clients they can take during those days. It is that simple they can and will take the same amount of clients in a shorter season
Obviously you are Ignorant of Forest use permits. The amount of clients who will use a camp is strictly detailed and Inspected by Forest Service personnel both before and during use. It will specifically state the amount of Forest use days permitted, and livestock they are permitting. Try again, I suggest you never become an Outfitter as you have much to learn. Besides the main issue is getting more skilled guides which aren’t readily available if everyone has to work the same 7 day hunt period.
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Obviously you are Ignorant of Forest use permits. The amount of clients who will use a camp is strictly detailed and Inspected by Forest Service personnel both before and during use. It will specifically state the amount of Forest use days permitted, and livestock they are permitting. Try again, I suggest you never become an Outfitter as you have much to learn. Besides the main issue is getting more skilled guides which aren’t readily available if everyone has to work the same 7 day hunt period.View attachment 38131
I don't know about "strictly detailed", that's not what is says. A "Discussion", in other words an example: "4-8 clients based on season length" would work. That's just one more tent.

Buzz could probably chime in on this, but I think Bookhead is right. Outfitter could fit the same amount of clients in a shorter season.

And please cut out calling people ignorant. You didn't know those permitting rules until you googled them.
 
I don't know about "strictly detailed", that's not what is says. A "Discussion", in other words an example: "4-8 clients based on season length" would work. That's just one more tent.

Buzz could probably chime in on this, but I think Bookhead is right. Outfitter could fit the same amount of clients in a shorter season.

And please cut out calling people ignorant. You didn't know those permitting rules until you googled them.
Actually I have dealt with the Forest Service before so here’s an example for you. Outfitter X has a permit for a camp for 12 hunters which allows 15 horses. With this he is authorised to bring in 48 hunters over a 21 day deer season in 4, 5 day hunts and the same for his follow on elk operation which starts later on Oct. 15th, the deer hunt begins Sept. 15th. If the season condenses to 7 days or one hunt, his current permit doesn’t allow him to bring in 48 hunters and 60 horses nor does he even have 60 horses, he only has 15 and enough guides for 12 hunters ie 6 guides who service 12 clients plus his 2 wranglers and 2 cooks to handle the 12 man camp he is authorised. He would need a New permit and unlikely in today’s environment anyone would authorise a camp with 48 hunters, 60 horses and 24 guides, 4 wranglers and 4-6 camp cooks. Besides, where could he hire 18 highly skilled guides when everyone else wants and is competing for their skills. Ignorance is bliss.
 
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IME, the FS doesn't "inspect" much at all in regard to use days...and the outfitters have ways of working around them anyway.

I also believe that changes in seasons would result in changes to permits, but not new permits, and I think some would be surprised what would get authorized by the FS.

As to the comment about outfitters hiring quality or skilled guides...they wouldn't care that much. Are there really that many "skilled guides" now?

Judging by what I see a lot of guides allowing their clients shoot, I have a hard time believing much skill is involved.
 
A shorter season in October means fewer bucks harvested. End of story!

G may be one of the better units in Wyo to harvest a decent buck (which isn't saying much) but G is a far cry from the "Best area in the world" to harvest a big deer. Holy smokes? Have you heard of the Jicarilla or possibly the Henry's? G is not even close?

The sad part about G is that it has POTENTIAL to be the best in the world! Obviously this is impossible with the current unlimited number of res tags. How can the WG&F manage buck quality and res hunting pressure....it's impossible when the flood gates are open for unlimited res hunters!

It's obviously the Wyo Clan of Shame care less about quality of bucks and experience.....and is only interested in offering Wyo residents unlimited opportunity for a limited resource. Maybe the clan is right and everything is perfect how it is....the POTENTIAL is definitely there though!
 
A shorter season in October means fewer bucks harvested. End of story!

G may be one of the better units in Wyo to harvest a decent buck (which isn't saying much) but G is a far cry from the "Best area in the world" to harvest a big deer. Holy smokes? Have you heard of the Jicarilla or possibly the Henry's? G is not even close?

The sad part about G is that it has POTENTIAL to be the best in the world! Obviously this is impossible with the current unlimited number of res tags. How can the WG&F manage buck quality and res hunting pressure....it's impossible when the flood gates are open for unlimited res hunters!

It's obviously the Wyo Clan of Shame care less about quality of bucks and experience.....and is only interested in offering Wyo residents unlimited opportunity for a limited resource. Maybe the clan is right and everything is perfect how it is....the POTENTIAL is definitely there though!
I said one of the best and it damn sure is. If you don't agree it just shows your ignorance of the area itself
 
A shorter season in October means fewer bucks harvested. End of story!

G may be one of the better units in Wyo to harvest a decent buck (which isn't saying much) but G is a far cry from the "Best area in the world" to harvest a big deer. Holy smokes? Have you heard of the Jicarilla or possibly the Henry's? G is not even close?

The sad part about G is that it has POTENTIAL to be the best in the world! Obviously this is impossible with the current unlimited number of res tags. How can the WG&F manage buck quality and res hunting pressure....it's impossible when the flood gates are open for unlimited res hunters!

It's obviously the Wyo Clan of Shame care less about quality of bucks and experience.....and is only interested in offering Wyo residents unlimited opportunity for a limited resource. Maybe the clan is right and everything is perfect how it is....the POTENTIAL is definitely there though!
You compare it to the henries which has like what maybe 50 tags? And it still doesn’t produce as many 200” deer in a year region G does. And then you mention the Jicarilla? Laughin!

Jims you can’t answer a question. When was the last time you hunted G?

And I don’t think WY residents are asking for G to become the “the best”. The “best” means no opportunity but maybe once in your life and then a onechance at a 200” buck. Where now they can hunt it every year and have a chance every year of killing a 200” buck. Why would they want to change that?

the Wyoming non resident sissy la la’s are just jealous and want to make it a draw for no reason but it’s what they expect for every unit in the west they put in for.

@jims be a man. Tell us when you hunted G last. The thing is you have no experience with G. And your “problem” with G is just a perceived problem based off you and your sissy la la buddies getting on social media crying.
 
A shorter season in October means fewer bucks harvested. End of story!

G may be one of the better units in Wyo to harvest a decent buck (which isn't saying much) but G is a far cry from the "Best area in the world" to harvest a big deer. Holy smokes? Have you heard of the Jicarilla or possibly the Henry's? G is not even close?

The sad part about G is that it has POTENTIAL to be the best in the world! Obviously this is impossible with the current unlimited number of res tags. How can the WG&F manage buck quality and res hunting pressure....it's impossible when the flood gates are open for unlimited res hunters!

It's obviously the Wyo Clan of Shame care less about quality of bucks and experience.....and is only interested in offering Wyo residents unlimited opportunity for a limited resource. Maybe the clan is right and everything is perfect how it is....the POTENTIAL is definitely there though!
How often have you hunted the Henry's?

I have 22 deer points for Utah, the Henry's may as well not exist, I'll never draw it. If you think the Henry's are so great, and Utah is doing such a wonderful job, move there.

You're just clueless...Wyoming does not want very tightly controlled LQ statewide. We want to hunt deer every year on general tags. We WILL continue to cut NR opportunity to make sure we have that. If G and H were to go to LQ, there is ZERO doubt in mind 90-10 or even 95-5 would pass. Residents are not going to put up with having to draw G and H and be limited to only 80% of the tags...no f'n way.

Best to put on the thinking cap Sebastian, what you're suggesting is only going to push 90-10 faster than it already is gaining traction.

If you don't like how WY manages that's fine, nobody is asking for your opinion, and nobody is suggesting you have to hunt here.

There are lots of options of places for you to spend your time and money to hunt, go to those states...you won't be missed in Wyoming.
 
did he wait 25 years for a tag? That’s what @jims wants.

Come on Wyoming residents. Let’s make G a draw so you can hunt it once for a chance at a 200” buck or would you rather keep it the same and hunt for a 200” every year? ??
Sebastian is just pissed that he cant find a bunch of suckers...I mean "friends" to party with in G or H.

Funny how after he burns his points in 90...the sudden interest in G and H.

Hey Sebastian, its nobody's fault but your own you didn't use your, and your friends points more wisely.

Quit crying over spilt milk...I heard the deer hunting in Colorado is better than Wyoming.
 
I hunted a deer i thought would go 190 this year. I didnt get him, but just having the opportunity to try was pretty special to me. Ill be back there this year trying again despite guys like jims that dont live here trying to stop it
It’s going to be a good year in G. Lots of nice bucks on the winter range. Overall mild winter. There’s going to be a couple 230+ bucks to be had. Imagine if this coming winter is mild too. Oh boy!

F*** anyone that wants to make it draw. Haters gonna hate!
 
Sebastian is just pissed that he cant find a bunch of suckers...I mean "friends" to party with in G or H.

Funny how after he burns his points in 90...the sudden interest in G and H.

Hey Sebastian, its nobody's fault but your own you didn't use your, and your friends points more wisely.

Quit crying over spilt milk...I heard the deer hunting in Colorado is better than Wyoming.
You think he would be focused on why his state increased tags for 3rd and 4th season which is basically during the rut this year. Maybe he’s sitting there wondering why no one from Wyoming is telling Colorado how to manage their deer?
 
It’s going to be a good year in G. Lots of nice bucks on the winter range. Overall mild winter. There’s going to be a couple 230+ bucks to be had. Imagine if this coming winter is mild too. Oh boy!

F*** anyone that wants to make it draw. Haters gonna hate!
Yea too bad most the deer of that caliber live in terrain that would reduce men like that to tears. Softer then hospital $#+t
 
did he wait 25 years for a tag? That’s what @jims wants.

Come on Wyoming residents. Let’s make G a draw so you can hunt it once for a chance at a 200” buck or would you rather keep it the same and hunt for a 200” every year? ??
Dang, wish I could find some of those 200 inchers!!! Every year they’re hunting one, huh?
I must really suck at finding big bucks!
 
Dang, wish I could find some of those 200 inchers!!! Every year they’re hunting one, huh?
I must really suck at finding big bucks!
Do you go up there to try to find a 200" deer every year knowing they are there i think you do. does eveyone always find one of course not but we all know they are around and they are. The same cant be said for most places. Im sure you're upset with the area after last year huh?
 
Dang, wish I could find some of those 200 inchers!!! Every year they’re hunting one, huh?
I must really suck at finding big bucks!
You know what I meant. There’s always a chance in G. There are a lot of units all over the west there there’s zero chance most years.

Goid luck in your quest to get a tag again this year. It’s gonna be a good year up there.
 
When “200” is thrown around so freely about a place I take notice. Especially when I spend a significant amount of time in that place and have found very, very few of them. Makes me wonder just how crappy I am at this deer hunting game.

I was once told a guy saw 7 200+ bucks on a 3 mile stretch of ridge I scouted and saw none. I cleaned my optics that afternoon! :LOL:
 
I wouldn’t have stopped at cleaning my optics. Sounds like you needed new optics. Optics that grows horns magically as you look at the critter?
 
When “200” is thrown around so freely about a place I take notice. Especially when I spend a significant amount of time in that place and have found very, very few of them. Makes me wonder just how crappy I am at this deer hunting game.

I was once told a guy saw 7 200+ bucks on a 3 mile stretch of ridge I scouted and saw none. I cleaned my optics that afternoon! :LOL:
There are very, very few true 200"gross deer anywhere and limited quota in G wouldn't change that there. In fact, it could make it worse.
 
Holy smokes Wyo Clan of Shame......did I hit a nerve? Hang on to your panty=pants guys! I read back through my posts and actually didn't have any mention of G going to a draw! WOW! Having a shorter season in October means fewer Wyo res hunters would likely hunt since many will hunt a favorite unit that opens the same time closer to home.

The top line in my last post reads, " A shorter season in October means fewer bucks harvested." Anyone that has spent time around monster muley bucks knows how the biggest bucks tend to disappear in October and often aren't seen until the rut kicks in or they show up on the winter ranges.

Another suggestion I have is to place rifle elk season prior to buck season. That way monster muley bucks are fore-warned of up coming deer hunting season and crawl into seclusion and age. My guess is that elk harvest success would also increase in G since elk are hunted first. Harvesting more elk would likely benefit deer.

Both options would allow unlimited GENEREAL RESIDENT deer hunters to continue hunting G without having to go to a limited draw.

The Wyo Clan of Shame can say what they want about G and 200" bucks....and the best muley unit in the WORLD! Top tier bucks in G have their ups and downs depending upon winterkill and other factors.

I have a feeling that most Wyo residents would be tickled to death having the opportunity to harvest a 180+ buck every year. My guess is that only a fraction of the Wyo res hunters that currently hunt G even see a 180 buck in a week of hunting. I'm sure a lot of Wyo res would be tickled to death if they knew the unit was managed for higher quality bucks and they stood a little better chance to harvest a 170 to 180 buck if there were more of those bucks available? Obviously if there are options available with fewer bucks are harvested there are likely more 180's, there POTENTIALLY could be more 200" bucks if bucks were given the chance to grow.

As I stated in my earlier post the POTENTIAL for G is there! The genetics is as good as it gets in Wyo. It sounds like the Clan of Shame believe there is no way to improve buck quality in G without limiting tags. Limiting Wyo res is a definite possibility but the 2 options I mentioned above are a couple ways to improve the quality of bucks in G without limiting Wyo res numbers.

The Clan of Shame may believe I'm offering suggestions for G because I burned my points and want to hunt it. Well, sorry guys! I'm really not that interested in G. I'm definitely not applying there this year or in the near future. I know how much work goes into G hunts and I'm not getting any younger.

I'm offering suggestions on how Wyo res can hunt G any year they desire with a general tag that will still improve the quality of bucks available.

So far my suggestions have been: 1) Premium price tag for G for residents, 2) shorter season in Oct, 3) open elk season first.
 
"The top line in my last post reads, " A shorter season in October means fewer bucks harvested." Anyone that has spent time around monster muley bucks knows how the biggest bucks tend to disappear in October and often aren't seen until the rut kicks in or they show up on the winter ranges."

There you go limiting opportunity based on what? Can you provide any information too many bucks are currently being taken? That's not going to solve the perceived problem you have with crowding either btw...

"Another suggestion I have is to place rifle elk season prior to buck season. That way monster muley bucks are fore-warned of up coming deer hunting season and crawl into seclusion and age. My guess is that elk harvest success would also increase in G since elk are hunted first. Harvesting more elk would likely benefit deer."

Let's clear this one up. No one is asking for your suggestion. No one. You're a legend...in your own mind.

"I have a feeling that most Wyo residents would be tickled to death having the opportunity to harvest a 180+ buck every year. "
They do. Its called region G and H. And they can hunt it every year. <insert shocked face here>

"My guess is that only a fraction of the Wyo res hunters that currently hunt G even see a 180 buck in a week of hunting."

You're doing nothing but guessing and doing it...well....horribly.

"I'm sure a lot of Wyo res would be tickled to death if they knew the unit was managed for higher quality bucks and they stood a little better chance to harvest a 170 to 180 buck if there were more of those bucks available?"

There you go guessing again. And how does an arbitrary number like 170 to 180 determine herd health? What if it's a 3 1/2 year old 170 buck? Please Please explain to us how B&C scores relate to herd health. You know, the primary reason for management.

"Obviously if there are options available with fewer bucks are harvested there are likely more 180's, there POTENTIALLY could be more 200" bucks if bucks were given the chance to grow."

That sounds real nice. But what happens when less bucks are killed because of a shorter season and we have a bad winter? Then they die anyhow. You like to think that with a few simple tweaks of season and tag allocations its going to solve your perceived problem in G? Sorry green tag, its a lot more complicated than that.

Everyone have you noticed how @jims hasn't answered the question on the last time he's hunted G? Most likely it was the year...19- never.
 
Holy smokes Wyo Clan of Shame......did I hit a nerve? Hang on to your panty=pants guys! I read back through my posts and actually didn't have any mention of G going to a draw! WOW!
Really, so what does this mean, you wrote it?

"The sad part about G is that it has POTENTIAL to be the best in the world! Obviously this is impossible with the current unlimited number of res tags. How can the WG&F manage buck quality and res hunting pressure....it's impossible when the flood gates are open for unlimited res hunters!"

But honestly, I wasn't even responding to you Sebastian.
 
Annnd AGAIN no one said it was THE best in the world you're making that up just like your experience with the region
 
Simplest way to return big bucks everywhere: No atv's and no scopes over 4x. Most of you don't remember that in the 'glory days' of the 60's most people hunted with open sights, few had 4x4 trucks, nobody had range finders and NOBODY bragged about shooting 800+ yards.
Yeah that will fix it ? Lot less people back then. Not much for oil field and development on winter range. aggressive predator management the list goes on.

And don’t kid yourself big bucks have always been hard to find. That’s why they made the paper and were the talk of the town....
 
And ill also add that they used to be able to hunt them on the winter range as well. That will obviously make it seem like there was allot more big deer being killed....cause there were
 

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