90/10 not going away...

Wow, you're out in the weeds now.

Yes, systems have changed more drastically. Many had points in Colorado that they wanted to use on RFW tags...100% of those are off the table.

Colorado used to make hunters front the money for sheep and moose, and you didn't have to buy a qualifying license. That caused a whole slug of new applicants that diluted the odds.

There is no judge on planet earth that is going to allow a case to be heard that its a "bait and switch"...what law was broken? What statute?

There's been a metric chit ton of cases filed on the "unfairness" in price between R and NR, allocations, etc. The States win those lawsuits time after time after time. A couple hundred years of case law.

Plus, you don't have 20 points personally, or you would realize that some of those points were acquired at $7 a point.

No, I don't believe the State would owe anyone anything. When I started applying for tags and acquiring points, there is no language that says because we're offering you these points, we assure you a tag. Its not there. I got what I paid for, I got another point for each year I applied, didn't draw, and CHOSE to buy the point.

File the lawsuit and see where you get...
 
I don't know how old you two are...(BuzzH & nripepi) but you two had this same argument 2014. Dam near word for word. Pretty entertaining :unsure:
Old enough to have 20 non-resident points! I remember the argument clearly, pretty much the same, but about $1000 on Wyoming preference points ago!

I don't know what to do to in this situation, half of me says do something to get the kids involved somehow and the other half says that isn't fair to those who put in the time and money to lose their dream hunt they have been planning on for a while.
 
I couldn’t imagine I would ever expect a “refund” for my preference points in a state. I knew the costs going in and the reality that I may never pull a coveted permit. It is what it is.
The thing is when they switched it from $7 to $100 then to $150. I actually did know the odds of when I I would get a tag. Sure it was based on quotas, but you could make an educated guess of what those would be. I think that is the difference in this situation is that one knew the odds.
 
Wow, you're out in the weeds now.

Yes, systems have changed more drastically. Many had points in Colorado that they wanted to use on RFW tags...100% of those are off the table.

Colorado used to make hunters front the money for sheep and moose, and you didn't have to buy a qualifying license. That caused a whole slug of new applicants that diluted the odds.

There is no judge on planet earth that is going to allow a case to be heard that its a "bait and switch"...what law was broken? What statute?

There's been a metric chit ton of cases filed on the "unfairness" in price between R and NR, allocations, etc. The States win those lawsuits time after time after time. A couple hundred years of case law.

Plus, you don't have 20 points personally, or you would realize that some of those points were acquired at $7 a point.

No, I don't believe the State would owe anyone anything. When I started applying for tags and acquiring points, there is no language that says because we're offering you these points, we assure you a tag. Its not there. I got what I paid for, I got another point for each year I applied, didn't draw, and CHOSE to buy the point.

File the lawsuit and see where you get...
The difference with Colorado RFW is you could still draw a great tag, not the same here.

20 years ago, you had to front money in Wyoming to get a point. That is irrelevant to my argument.

If I don't draw this year, I will get my 20th point. I am pretty much in the group that is going to have put in the most time and money who will likely not get a tag if these changes happen. I know now that in 5-10 years I should get a tag.

Definitely been around since the $7 per point price. Those years are all covered in my spreadsheet costs.

I am not saying I would win, but I would start with Wyoming's Consumer Protection Act that covers Bait and Switch.
 
The thing is when they switched it from $7 to $100 then to $150. I actually did know the odds of when I I would get a tag. Sure it was based on quotas, but you could make an educated guess of what those would be. I think that is the difference in this situation is that one knew the odds.
So if disease were to wipe out the huntable population of sheep (which is entirely possible) and the state severely reduced or eliminated quotas altogether you should get a refund on your points?
 
So if disease were to wipe out the huntable population of sheep (which is entirely possible) and the state severely reduced or eliminated quotas altogether you should get a refund on your points?
Nope. Different situation entirely. Moose tags have been reduced significantly similar to your scenario.
 
Old enough to have 20 non-resident points! I remember the argument clearly, pretty much the same, but about $1000 on Wyoming preference points ago!

I don't know what to do to in this situation, half of me says do something to get the kids involved somehow and the other half says that isn't fair to those who put in the time and money to lose their dream hunt they have been planning on for a while.
Relax and go with the flow. Maybe wyoga will help you again?
 
Well let's look at the "loose-loose" proposal Buzz came up with for sheep. Buzz mentioned going to 90-10 for sheep and splitting 50-50 the random and high pref pt tags. In 2019 there were 129 res and 44 nonres sheep tags. Of the 44 nonres sheep tags 40 went to nonres with highest pts and only 4 went in the random pool.

If Wyo went to 90/10 there would be 155 total res tags and nonres tags would be decreased from 44 to only 18 total tags. If they went to a 50/50 split of nonres tags 9 would go to nonres high pt applicants and random tags would increase from 4 to 9 tags.

Nonres high pref pt tags would be cut by 26 (almost 1/2 the tags previously issued). The number of years to draw a tag in the high pref pt pool would more than double in the high demand units for those with highest pts. Random draw odds would hardly change with so few tags issued.

This seems like a loose-loose scenario to me...especially for those hunters that have devoted 20+ years to applying and a small fortune to purchase pref pts. I got out of the Wyo sheep and moose fiasco years ago and can only imagine how upset nonres hunters would be if things were changed so dramatically.
 
Let's look at the big “loose-loose” picture! With a 90/10 scenario Wyo resident sheep tags would only increase by 26 tags. With an increase of 26 tags is this going to significantly increase Wyo res draw odds...not really! There were 5,231 Wyo residents that applied for 129 tags in 2019. That's draw odds of 2.5%. If residents were increased to 155 tags with 90/10 draw odds would be 2.9%.


Is it really worth the loss of revenue and pretty much screwing nonres hunters that have been applying for 20+ years? Buzz, I’m all for on your own hunters….irregardless of whether they are residents or nonres aren’t you?
 
Buzz you don’t own anything and you can’t take it with you , what would make you happy 5 bull and buck tags a year ?
 
Let's look at the big “loose-loose” picture! With a 90/10 scenario Wyo resident sheep tags would only increase by 26 tags. With an increase of 26 tags is this going to significantly increase Wyo res draw odds...not really! There were 5,231 Wyo residents that applied for 129 tags in 2019. That's draw odds of 2.5%. If residents were increased to 155 tags with 90/10 draw odds would be 2.9%.


Is it really worth the loss of revenue and pretty much screwing nonres hunters that have been applying for 20+ years? Buzz, I’m all for on your own hunters….irregardless of whether they are residents or nonres aren’t you?
Really Jims? Again how many times have you shared your PP with another NR to help their draw odds ? Simple questions, you keep hammering at Buzz about OYO so I'll keep asking.
 
Once everyone realizes buzz only cares about stiring the pot(he gets off on it seems), and will do anything to draw another sheep tag. God forbid he doesn't get a few more in his lifetime. All he really cares about.

Well, now see that's where you're wrong. I would support a retroactive law to make sheep and moose tags once in a lifetime harvest, dating back to the introduction of the point system. That would leave me out of both moose and sheep...I'm good with that.
 
Once everyone realizes buzz only cares about stiring the pot(he gets off on it seems), and will do anything to draw another sheep tag. God forbid he doesn't get a few more in his lifetime. All he really cares about.
Really, how many meeting have you been at where Buzz was advocating for public access or against a state land transfer ?
Seems maybe you're the one wanting to just stir the pot.
Buzz may come off as abrasive to some of you but he does not lead a charge against NR hunters.
For sheep I would also advocate for once in a lifetime, moose not so much. I really enjoy hunting them.
Many of us seems to forget that hunting is a privilege, not a right for most NRs.

Maybe we all need to take a step back and deal with some stress.
Stay safe all.
 
States do not own wildlife they simply manage it. We the people own the wildlife.

Wrong...as a NR you don't have any right to another States wildlife unless the Residents afford you that right.

Try getting a NR moose tag in North Dakota if "we the people" own those moose.
 
The residents or the residents that sit in the board and make the rules? I never said I had any right to them being a NR I simply stated the state does not own the wildlife.
 
The residents or the residents that sit in the board and make the rules? I never said I had any right to them being a NR I simply stated the state does not own the wildlife.

The State holds wildlife within its borders in trust for the RESIDENTS of the state, not "we the people"...get your "facts" straight.
 
The State holds wildlife within its borders in trust for the RESIDENTS of the state, not "we the people"...get your "facts" straight.

Buzz you sure get touchy when somebody mentions a ruling board. Maybe you misunderstood my comments about we the people or maybe your reading comprehension is off. We the people being the people of the state own the wildlife not the government agency. Not once did I say I owned a deer in Wyoming or a moose in whatever Dakota you wanted to cite.
 
Buzz you sure get touchy when somebody mentions a ruling board. Maybe you misunderstood my comments about we the people or maybe your reading comprehension is off. We the people being the people of the state own the wildlife not the government agency. Not once did I say I owned a deer in Wyoming or a moose in whatever Dakota you wanted to cite.

Still not right...wildlife is held in trust for the citizens of the State it resides in.…"we the people" don't "own" anything until the wildlife is brought to bag, legally, by someone in possession of a state issued license. Then the person that bagged said wildlife, does, in fact, "own" it.
 
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Buzz and his minions post this stuff every year and amazingly, every year it is the same old thread. Wyoming is gracious in their non resident allotment of tags and I thank them for that. If Wyoming chooses to go 90/10, frankly there isn't much a NR can do. You will have to decide to play the game or not. Its that simple. If you don't think that Buzz doesn't get a rise out of pushing your buttons you are not paying attention to all of his posts. Its a yearly event for him, and it works every time.

Rich

I would agree. It makes him feel important.
 
Buzz and his minions post this stuff every year and amazingly, every year it is the same old thread. Wyoming is gracious in their non resident allotment of tags and I thank them for that. If Wyoming chooses to go 90/10, frankly there isn't much a NR can do. You will have to decide to play the game or not. Its that simple. If you don't think that Buzz doesn't get a rise out of pushing your buttons you are not paying attention to all of his posts. Its a yearly event for him, and it works every time.

Rich

Right on. I think there has even been a year or two where Buzz guarnteed us that it would go 90/10.
 
Why should there be a uniting of hunters? You’re not going to get me on the side of a utard or Texas’s that baits. why should the residents of Wyoming give two flying focks what non residents think what’s fair for tag allocation?

Wow
 
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When I think of the name Slightlysober??!

I'm pretty sure the guy is gonna tell you exactly what he's thinking non-filtered!
Lmao
I like that personally...no guessing or bs what's on his mind!
 
Right, and I accept what Residents of those states give me and thank them for anything they're willing to share.

What I don't do is *****, whine and complain what percentage they give me tag wise, or even if they give me anything at all. I accept that they should, rightfully do what's best for their Residents. If giving priority to their Residents means less for me as a NR, well, that's just the way it is.

I think the problem is that Wyoming has been wayyyy too generous for wayyyyy too long to NR's and graciousness is being confused with a NR entitlement.

NR's of Wyoming hunt here at the pleasure of Residents, and when we decide to cut NR allocations to 10%, that's the way it goes.

Be thankful we don't cut it to 5%.

YOU won't cut it to anything. You have no position within F&G, all you are is a loud mouth. Bang your drumb all you want about activism and connections blah blah blah. The people that make the decisions in Wyoming care more about outfitters than you or any group you are affiliated with and that is just the way it is. When the outfitters want it, it will happen. Otherwise it won't. Until then, no reason to worry.
 
You guys realize Buzz most likely forwards all of these posts to powers at be within Wyoming. He is an intelligent dude, who knows exactly what he’s doing. He purposefully makes posts like these in an attempt to rally resident support, while at the same time hoping non residents post vial responses.

He is trying to forward his personal agenda, while being a public figure representing a large diverse group of hunters, all of which are non residents in 49 other states. Really is a shame.
 
You guys realize Buzz most likely forwards all of these posts to powers at be within Wyoming.
He doesn't have to forward anything on here. How much critical thinking does it take to know this site and every other gets trolled by G&F and others? How do you think everything thing to do with "Founder's Law" came about? Yes, that's right you're on Candid Forum.
 
He doesn't have to forward anything on here. How much critical thinking does it take to know this site and every other gets trolled by G&F and others? How do you think everything thing to do with "Founder's Law" came about? Yes, that's right you're on Candid Forum.

Nothing new to me. Others don't know that though. Your fooling yourself if you don't think these responses don't get screen shot and forwarded. As far as Founders Law, if I recall correctly, people were openly saying they were forwarding online conversations to their politician and urging them to support change.

My point is, and its only my opinion, its dirty practice to purposefully stir the pot. He knows exactly what hes doing, Buzz is not dumb. Not sure what your connection to Buzz is, if any, but as i've said before, its a shame a board chair for Backcountry Hunters and Anglers is openly trying to limit non resident opportunity.

People should know that Buzz is activity trying to push his personal agenda while sitting on the board for Backcountry Hunters and Anglers, which the organization is made up of a large and diverse group of individuals. Not sure what membership numbers are, but a large percentage of members are non residents of Wyoming. Damn shame.
 
Nothing new to me. Others don't know that though. Your fooling yourself if you don't think these responses don't get screen shot and forwarded. As far as Founders Law, if I recall correctly, people were openly saying they were forwarding online conversations to their politician and urging them to support change.

My point is, and its only my opinion, its dirty practice to purposefully stir the pot. He knows exactly what hes doing, Buzz is not dumb. Not sure what your connection to Buzz is, if any, but as i've said before, its a shame a board chair for Backcountry Hunters and Anglers is openly trying to limit non resident opportunity.

People should know that Buzz is activity trying to push his personal agenda while sitting on the board for Backcountry Hunters and Anglers, which the organization is made up of a large and diverse group of individuals. Not sure what membership numbers are, but a large percentage of members are non residents of Wyoming. Damn shame.

As I've said before, if you want to try and put Buzz's life on here, let's see who you are and what you are affiliated with. You're just another keyboard warrior who thinks they know all but can't stand the heat.

As far as BHA is concerned, who cares? That group's not out there representing hunters. And if you think they are, I have a Wyoming bridge to sell you.

Your personal attacks are boring, but like Buzz's opinions, you have that right to, as long as Founder allows it.
 
As I've said before, if you want to try and put Buzz's life on here, let's see who you are and what you are affiliated with. You're just another keyboard warrior who thinks they know all but can't stand the heat.

As far as BHA is concerned, who cares? That group's not out there representing hunters. And if you think they are, I have a Wyoming bridge to sell you.

Your personal attacks are boring, but like Buzz's opinions, you have that right to, as long as Founder allows it.

Ha, clearly not boring if you continue to respond....

Anyone in a public position or a position where they are representing an organization, may have to answer for their posts if they choose to expose their identity for all to see. By Buzz tooting his own horn and placing his name out there, he does represent his organization with words he types. He is pushing a controversial topic and opinion on a public site, where he chooses to make his name and title known, all while still holding a chair with BHA. If Backcountry hunters and anglers doesn’t matter or represent hunters, then why is he wasting his time?

I don’t think I’ve called him an idiot or anything similar. I disagree with his views, I disagree with his aggressive posts and condescending replies to members, I disagree with him fighting for reduced opportunity for non residents. Those are opinions, not attacks. Buzz is an intelligent dude and he spends countless hours attempting to better habitat for wildlife in Wyoming. It’s the truth. But he is abrasive, argumentative and purposefully posts topics knowing full well they are going to fire people up.
 
People should know that Buzz is activity trying to push his personal agenda while sitting on the board for Backcountry Hunters and Anglers, which the organization is made up of a large and diverse group of individuals. Not sure what membership numbers are, but a large percentage of members are non residents of Wyoming. Damn shame.
Buzz can defend himself very easily so I wont try to do it for him but you really need to get your facts straight. Buzz is on the Board of Wyoming BHA. The Wyoming Chapter. The one that's filled with people from Wyoming. The same Wyoming people that will most likely get a higher percentage of hunting licenses in the not so distant future. Still not sure what this has to do with his personal views on tag allocations.
 
Ha, clearly not boring if you continue to respond....

Anyone in a public position or a position where they are representing an organization, may have to answer for their posts if they choose to expose their identity for all to see. By Buzz tooting his own horn and placing his name out there, he does represent his organization with words he types. He is pushing a controversial topic and opinion on a public site, where he chooses to make his name and title known, all while still holding a chair with BHA. If Backcountry hunters and anglers doesn’t matter or represent hunters, then why is he wasting his time?

I don’t think I’ve called him an idiot or anything similar. I disagree with his views, I disagree with his aggressive posts and condescending replies to members, I disagree with him fighting for reduced opportunity for non residents. Those are opinions, not attacks. Buzz is an intelligent dude and he spends countless hours attempting to better habitat for wildlife in Wyoming. It’s the truth. But he is abrasive, argumentative and purposefully posts topics knowing full well they are going to fire people up.

I guess since you seem to not want to let this go...I'll make another post.

As to representing a group and what's being said on this post is something you seem rather confused by, or very insecure with.

Its pretty typical when a board member of a group is representing that group, there is a need for that to be recognized. That usually means the member, board member, or other representative will always make such announcement if they are representing the group. If that isn't announced, then the fact is, that person is representing themselves and their personal views. It seems intuitive, yet you seem to be struggling with the concept, and I can only say that's your problem.

The way I personally prioritize my thoughts and advocacy for wildlife and wildlands is pretty straight forward:

My number one priority is the well being, health of, and proper management of wildlife and wildlands, hands down, no question.

After that, a distant second is the needs of the Residents of the State the wildlife resides in, both consumptive and non-consumptive users. That includes priority given to resident hunters first.

After that, I feel that cooperating private land owners, that work to enhance and tolerate wildlife should be the next priority.

Next is non-resident hunting opportunity and other users on down the line...so on and so forth.

As to the issue specific to increases in resident opportunity at tags, based on the above it should be pretty straight forward what my thoughts are on that. As to the group I am a board member on, we haven't taken a position on that particular issue.

Its also very common that since everyone on the board is a Wyoming Sportsman/Sportswoman first, we encourage all members to represent themselves on any issue they feel is important to them, even if the board chooses not to. We are not in the business of hamstringing our membership or board members in their engagement on issues. Its more important that people engage in the process and take the time to become involved than the position they may take.

Its also pretty obvious that you're trying to limit my voice on how I advocate for wildlife, resident hunters, etc. I can tell you that you're barking up the wrong tree...because that isn't going to happen.
 
We are not in the business of hamstringing our membership or board members in their engagement on issues. Its more important that people engage in the process and take the time to become involved than the position they may take.

You were doing rather good until you said this Buzz. You, I and others know it's not true and I'm surprised you wrote it.

When it comes to that aspect of BHA you won't get slack from me.
 
I've written, called, and have made comments on all kinds of issues as a Wyoming Sportsman that no other group has taken a position on...yes?
 
I've written, called, and have made comments on all kinds of issues as a Wyoming Sportsman that no other group has taken a position on...yes?
I'll say this and be done with it because apparently some want to make the issue of this thread about you Buzz, instead of the real possibility there is change in the future of Wyoming's license allocation. Any group should allow it's members to have their own personal beliefs beyond what the "group think" is. If "hamstringing" correlates to removal of one from participation on a state board due to their personal beliefs about hunting issues, then I would rethink claiming board members of WYO BHA are "encouraged to represent themselves in any issue".
 
Bill drafted by trw to make moose, goat, sheep, bison, grizzly bear 90/10. Full support of that bill from the task force, outfitters via woga, and trw.

Strong support from residents as well. High probability of passing and becoming law.
 
What is the soonest it will go into affect? I have 22 points and I am very very close to good sheep tags. I can draw the toughest hunts in the wilderness (I am a NR) this year. If things stay the same I will get a good tag in 4 years or less. If it changes I MIGHT get a tag in 10 years. If they also drastically change the NR draw for to mostly, or all, bonus points I will likely never draw.

In other words this is a big deal to me. I have been dreaming about this hunt for 22 years and spent a lot of time, money and reasearch on it. I am sad and angry I might never get to hunt sheep in WY.
 
What is the soonest it will go into affect? I have 22 points and I am very very close to good sheep tags. I can draw the toughest hunts in the wilderness (I am a NR) this year. If things stay the same I will get a good tag in 4 years or less. If it changes I MIGHT get a tag in 10 years. If they also drastically change the NR draw for to mostly, or all, bonus points I will likely never draw.

In other words this is a big deal to me. I have been dreaming about this hunt for 22 years and spent a lot of time, money and reasearch on it. I am sad and angry I might never get to hunt sheep in WY.
2023 for 90/10 big 5

The Task force has already had a preliminary vote to change to bonus points for moose and sheep, but that won't come into effect until 4 years after it gets legislative approval.
 
What is the soonest it will go into affect? I have 22 points and I am very very close to good sheep tags. I can draw the toughest hunts in the wilderness (I am a NR) this year. If things stay the same I will get a good tag in 4 years or less. If it changes I MIGHT get a tag in 10 years. If they also drastically change the NR draw for to mostly, or all, bonus points I will likely never draw.

In other words this is a big deal to me. I have been dreaming about this hunt for 22 years and spent a lot of time, money and reasearch on it. I am sad and angry I might never get to hunt sheep in WY.
I think you're hosed.

There's 282 people in your point pool alone.

Another 106 in front of you with points.

What's going to happen between now and then is massive point creep as those with 20+ are going to try to draw before 90/10 in any unit they feel they have enough points for. I bet this year, at least 1 full point of creep for every sheep tag, possibly more.

If the change to bonus points happen, you're back to essentially a random draw with your 26-27 (by then) bonus points...you'll really see the top guys drawing anywhere they can. Those that now have 24-27 will be drawing most all of the 10% NR quota.

If 90/10 passes there is going to be a lot of happy R moose, sheep, goat, and bison hunters.

I was talking to another hunter in AZ on my recent coues hunt, he's in the 23 point pool for sheep and moose (NR). He's going to apply for sheep for sure this year, may take a chance on moose as he's in a much better place.

One of my best friends (NR) has 25 for sheep and he's going to try draw before 90-10 and definitely before his preference points switch to bonus. He's in a much better place than you, he will get a preference tag no matter what happens.
 
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It will still need to go through the legislature process if it gets TF approval. I really feel for nonres like Don that have devoted heck of a lot of years and pref pt $ to Wyo. In reality there wont be that many additional res sheep tags available and it will greatly affect every nonres that has supported the wg&f for so many years.

We might as well create another up-roar like we’ve done ever year about now…right Buzz! Hopefully this will get a bunch of nonres wound up and start contacting legislators!

I invite every nonres that has been applying for big 5 tags tags and donating up to $150 each year for preference points to contact wyo legislators if this gets the TF ok!

Nonres should also be aware that if the big 5 passes you can be assured that deer, elk, and antelope will be next on the agenda!
 
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What is the soonest it will go into affect? I have 22 points and I am very very close to good sheep tags. I can draw the toughest hunts in the wilderness (I am a NR) this year. If things stay the same I will get a good tag in 4 years or less. If it changes I MIGHT get a tag in 10 years. If they also drastically change the NR draw for to mostly, or all, bonus points I will likely never draw.

In other words this is a big deal to me. I have been dreaming about this hunt for 22 years and spent a lot of time, money and reasearch on it. I am sad and angry I might never get to hunt sheep in WY.

Please cash in your points, or at least try to, if it goes 90/10 with a 50/50 preference/random split, you will probably not draw before it goes bonus. Sorry man.
 
I invite every nonres that has been applying for big 5 tags tags and donating up to $150 each year for preference points to contact wyo legislators if this gets the TF ok!
I invite every American to contact Premier Xi from China and ask him to please stop taking away our American jobs. While your at it ask every African Prime Minister to please end worldwide hunger. Since when do nonresidents who aren’t even registered voters get to sway elected officials in a separate state where they don’t live, don’t pay property taxes and have no legal authority.
 
I agree hunting is not going to live or die based on how many non residents get tags.
But I would also say down the road what ever tags you get to keep from cutting nonresidents you are going to LOSE much much more with all the people moving in!
Just like Idaho,Wyoming is on the edge of a huge change with population increases.
I don’t think anyone will be patting them selves on the back for very long.
 
I agree hunting is not going to live or die based on how many non residents get tags.
But I would also say down the road what ever tags you get to keep from cutting nonresidents you are going to LOSE much much more with all the people moving in!
Just like Idaho,Wyoming is on the edge of a huge change with population increases.
I don’t think anyone will be patting them selves on the back for very long.
Sadly, we realise that is certainly possible and it might not be nowhere near what we have enjoyed in the past. This makes it even more important to try and let those who do live and work here and pay property taxes and volunteer in the local community as residents to have what most surrounding states offer their own residents.
 
Count my word, 90/10 for the big 5 will create a domino affect in Wyo and across the Western US. I’m sure 90/10 will be pushed forward for deer, elk, snd antelope next. If 90/10 ever happens in Wyo it would take 2 x longer for all nonres to draw limited tags.

Nonres that don’t draw tags in Wyo will want to hunt somewhere? This would put additional pressure on states like Colo that currently offer OTC elk tags and lenient nonres limited tags. I can guarantee Colo will follow suit and push to convert from OTC elk for nonres and cut nonres limited tags towards 90/10 levels as well.

The number of nonres opportunities across the West is truly in jeopardy. Mark my word the big losers in this are the younger generation nonres across the entire US. If you think about it, the opportunities to hunt the same places older aged nonres have hunted all their lives are slowly but surely dyeing! If you seriously think about it, the hunting heritage across the US is slowly but surely dyeing.

In the case of Wyo it is really sad because converting to 90/10 doesnt actually offer that much more opportunity to Wyo res. Wyo res currently have the opportunity to hunt general deer and elk units every year and can harvest multiple big game animals to fill their freezers. Wyo res limited draw odds are actually excellent except for the highest demand tags in Wyo.

90/10 barely increases high demand draw odds for Wyo res but cuts all nonres opportunity in 1/2 and take twice as long to draw....you want to talk about pref pt leap! Take a look at draw stats and there are only a handful of high demand limited tags currently issued to nonres. Some limited units will be converted to 0 nonres tags…bummer..a total loss of opportunity for nonres!

I really feel for the younger generation of nonres across the US that are slowly but surely losing their interest in hunting! If young hunters don’t live in a decent big game states as residents they are screwed!

As I’ve been saying all along cutting nonres opportunity also cuts into the WG&F and small town community budgets. If nonres can't draw tags you might as well move to Wyo! Wyo can cut their own throats at the expense of nonres!

Get ready nonres! It’s getting close to time to start contacting Wyo legislators and others in Wyo that have strong political contacts and ties! Hopefully small town Wyo community business owners that will be seriously impacted by 90/10 will also voice their opinions!
 
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On a similar note to the trickle-down affect of 90/10 is it's impact in the years to come on organizations like FNAWS, RMEF and the Mule Deer Foundation. My guess is that many of it's nonres members not only support those organizations but also contribute fairly large sums of $ to habitat improvement projects, access to public land, etc that are conducted in Wyo?

Why should nonres from East and Midwest states support those organizations and habitat improvement projects in Wyoming if they have 0 to slim chance to draw these tags? This is especially true in the future as fewer and fewer nonres youth apply for big game tags in Wyo and throughout the West. Fewer young members mean less support. Our hunting heritage as we know it is slowly but surely slipping away!

These are just a few of many trickle-down impacts caused by 90/10. I'm sure there are many others. Obviously, many of these impacts aren't readily apparent and may not show themselves until several years after 90/10 would take place. I certainly hope Wyo wakes up to the long-term negative impacts 90-10 will cause.
 
As I’ve been saying all along cutting nonres opportunity also cuts into the WG&F and small town community budgets.

Get ready nonres! It’s getting close to time to start contacting Wyo legislators and others in Wyo that have strong political contacts and ties! Hopefully small town Wyo community business owners that will be seriously impacted by 90/10 will also voice their opinions!
You are 100% correct in the fact that small town businesses will be the biggest loser in this situation.
 
It's been really quiet on the task force front lately wonder whats going on? WYOGA gave up the big 5 way to easy and not much has been said about transferable landowner tags outfitter tags kind of makes a person wonder what might be going on... If I was a nonresident, I would be preparing to take it in the shorts. The old saying is lay with the devil Ull burn with him to.
 
I think you're hosed.

There's 282 people in your point pool alone.

Another 106 in front of you with points.

What's going to happen between now and then is massive point creep as those with 20+ are going to try to draw before 90/10 in any unit they feel they have enough points for. I bet this year, at least 1 full point of creep for every sheep tag, possibly more.

If the change to bonus points happen, you're back to essentially a random draw with your 26-27 (by then) bonus points...you'll really see the top guys drawing anywhere they can. Those that now have 24-27 will be drawing most all of the 10% NR quota.

If 90/10 passes there is going to be a lot of happy R moose, sheep, goat, and bison hunters.

I was talking to another hunter in AZ on my recent coues hunt, he's in the 23 point pool for sheep and moose (NR). He's going to apply for sheep for sure this year, may take a chance on moose as he's in a much better place.

One of my best friends (NR) has 25 for sheep and he's going to try draw before 90-10 and definitely before his preference points switch to bonus. He's in a much better place than you, he will get a preference tag no matter what happens.
Preference switch to bonus? When did that ridiculous idea get pitched? Would that be a NR only thing too?
 
I'm a non-resident that would like to express support and respect for the residents of Wyoming, and other states, who work together to put their own interest first regarding hunting and tag opportunities. I say this as a person who regularly hunts 3-4 states each year and will continue to attempt to do so. Like everyone else, I have been impacted by recent changes, specifically in Idaho where NR limits have greatly increased demand on a hunt that I have gotten over the counter for decades. Times change and I'll still enjoy that hunt when I can get it.

Here are some of my opinions on this matter:

1. In this day and age, no state is dependent on NR hunters. I guarantee the state agencies could adjust resident tag prices to cover the losses from non residents and the residents would gladly pay up and buy multiple tags if they were allowed to. The "you need our money" argument is more than outdated. NR hunting could be completely discontinued and residents of the state could, and would be willing to, support their agencies just fine.

2. The law clearly provides that game belongs to the state. Arguments about public lands, etc are irrelevant. If you don't like the way a state runs their hunter/game management, don't participate. If it matters that much to you, move there, pay taxes, and get involved as a resident.

3. Preference points and bonus points only entitle a person to the advantages specified by the individual program. They are not a guarantee and they don't provide any additional entitlement. These programs can be discontinued anytime in the same manner they were started.

4. The small-town business point is moot. Benefits from out-of-towners pale in comparison to the folks that live there year round and contribute to the community in many ways, all the time. Businesses rely on the residents of the area to support them, period. My relatives that run businesses in Wyoming would do just fine if they were never patronized by another NR hunter. The same is not true regarding local residents.

I consider it a privilege to be able to hunt as a guest in many states across the west and I try to act like a guest while I am there visiting. I will always push for resident-first opportunity in my own state of Nevada and I expect and support those in other states that do the same. -----SS
 
I wonder how many total NR sheep tags are issued in Utah, Idaho, Colorado, Nebraska, South Dakota and Montana? I would guess in 2022 Wyoming will issue more sheep tags than all our neighbors combined. That may also be the case with 90/10. Regardless, Wyoming at 90/10, would issue more nonresident sheep and moose tags than any state in the lower 48.

Prove me wrong.
 
I'm a non-resident that would like to express support and respect for the residents of Wyoming, and other states, who work together to put their own interest first regarding hunting and tag opportunities. I say this as a person who regularly hunts 3-4 states each year and will continue to attempt to do so. Like everyone else, I have been impacted by recent changes, specifically in Idaho where NR limits have greatly increased demand on a hunt that I have gotten over the counter for decades. Times change and I'll still enjoy that hunt when I can get it.

Here are some of my opinions on this matter:

1. In this day and age, no state is dependent on NR hunters. I guarantee the state agencies could adjust resident tag prices to cover the losses from non residents and the residents would gladly pay up and buy multiple tags if they were allowed to. The "you need our money" argument is more than outdated. NR hunting could be completely discontinued and residents of the state could, and would be willing to, support their agencies just fine.

2. The law clearly provides that game belongs to the state. Arguments about public lands, etc are irrelevant. If you don't like the way a state runs their hunter/game management, don't participate. If it matters that much to you, move there, pay taxes, and get involved as a resident.

3. Preference points and bonus points only entitle a person to the advantages specified by the individual program. They are not a guarantee and they don't provide any additional entitlement. These programs can be discontinued anytime in the same manner they were started.

4. The small-town business point is moot. Benefits from out-of-towners pale in comparison to the folks that live there year round and contribute to the community in many ways, all the time. Businesses rely on the residents of the area to support them, period. My relatives that run businesses in Wyoming would do just fine if they were never patronized by another NR hunter. The same is not true regarding local residents.

I consider it a privilege to be able to hunt as a guest in many states across the west and I try to act like a guest while I am there visiting. I will always push for resident-first opportunity in my own state of Nevada and I expect and support those in other states that do the same. -----SS
Sparks, you are welcome at my campfire anytime!
 
Buisness are not going to struggle with the big 5 at 90/10.

You know how much money i poured into the local economy while i hunted sheep last year? Where do i start. Fuel,food, horse shoes, horse tack, other gear, tires for truck and horse trailer, veterinarian, certfied hay isnt cheap, etc. Etc.

I poured a lot of money into the local economy as a resident.
 
I'm a non-resident that would like to express support and respect for the residents of Wyoming, and other states, who work together to put their own interest first regarding hunting and tag opportunities. I say this as a person who regularly hunts 3-4 states each year and will continue to attempt to do so. Like everyone else, I have been impacted by recent changes, specifically in Idaho where NR limits have greatly increased demand on a hunt that I have gotten over the counter for decades. Times change and I'll still enjoy that hunt when I can get it.

Here are some of my opinions on this matter:

1. In this day and age, no state is dependent on NR hunters. I guarantee the state agencies could adjust resident tag prices to cover the losses from non residents and the residents would gladly pay up and buy multiple tags if they were allowed to. The "you need our money" argument is more than outdated. NR hunting could be completely discontinued and residents of the state could, and would be willing to, support their agencies just fine.

2. The law clearly provides that game belongs to the state. Arguments about public lands, etc are irrelevant. If you don't like the way a state runs their hunter/game management, don't participate. If it matters that much to you, move there, pay taxes, and get involved as a resident.

3. Preference points and bonus points only entitle a person to the advantages specified by the individual program. They are not a guarantee and they don't provide any additional entitlement. These programs can be discontinued anytime in the same manner they were started.

4. The small-town business point is moot. Benefits from out-of-towners pale in comparison to the folks that live there year round and contribute to the community in many ways, all the time. Businesses rely on the residents of the area to support them, period. My relatives that run businesses in Wyoming would do just fine if they were never patronized by another NR hunter. The same is not true regarding local residents.

I consider it a privilege to be able to hunt as a guest in many states across the west and I try to act like a guest while I am there visiting. I will always push for resident-first opportunity in my own state of Nevada and I expect and support those in other states that do the same. -----SS
You are going to be offered up a lot of Resident teet to suckle on after this post! Enjoy!!!
 
I invite every American to contact Premier Xi from China and ask him to please stop taking away our American jobs. While your at it ask every African Prime Minister to please end worldwide hunger. Since when do nonresidents who aren’t even registered voters get to sway elected officials in a separate state where they don’t live, don’t pay property taxes and have no legal authority.
Pretty sure Biden came to California to raise $ to use in swing states. Its been going on for a while, HHF, this is still Merca for a little while longer at least.
 
Buisness are not going to struggle with the big 5 at 90/10.

You know how much money i poured into the local economy while i hunted sheep last year? Where do i start. Fuel,food, horse shoes, horse tack, other gear, tires for truck and horse trailer, veterinarian, certfied hay isnt cheap, etc. Etc.

I poured a lot of money into the local economy as a resident.
I completely agree that the tags are so limited on the Big 5 that the negative impact that the 90/10 change will have in Wyoming’s small rural economies will be slight.

In contrast, to think that going to 90/10 on deer/antelope/elk won’t have a significant economic impact on these same rural towns is to be ignorant of the economic impact of hunting tourism.
 
Buisness are not going to struggle with the big 5 at 90/10.

You know how much money i poured into the local economy while i hunted sheep last year? Where do i start. Fuel,food, horse shoes, horse tack, other gear, tires for truck and horse trailer, veterinarian, certfied hay isnt cheap, etc. Etc.

I poured a lot of money into the local economy as a resident.
Totally agree. My opinion is the effect of nonresident hunters on the local economy is no different than local hunters. Nobody I know hunts on the 15 acres behind their house. We all travel and make multiple day trips. In our own states. I'm a member of I Hunt Colorado Facebook page. A thread got started the other day about how small mountain towns would die if it weren't for nonresident hunters. Lots of ignorance on that page.
 
I'm sure all of you have seen who's flipp'n the bill for license sales in Wyo? Nonres contribute 77% of the total license revenue to the WG&F. I have my doubts that Wyo res are going to be willing to pick up the slack if 1/2 of nonres limited tags are suddenly gone? There is a lot of "guestimation" on where this will come from. As you can see nonres contribute a giant chunk of the WG&F revenue pie!

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Take a look at the bottom paragraph in this study: "The hunting expenditures portion of the economic model was based on the USFWS National Survey of Fishing, Hunting, and Wildlife-Associated Recreation (2011), and included two expenditure estimates that Taylor adjusted to 2015 dollars: $90.91 per day is spent by residents and $579.82 per day by nonresidents." Wyo nonres spent almost 6x more than Wyo res in Carbon County.

University of Wyoming Study Reveals Hunters and Anglers Spend Millions in Carbon County - Wyoming Wildlife Federation




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March 27, 2017

Wyoming Wildlife Federation
Contact: Chamois Andersen
(307) 438-1724 (cell)

UW Study Reveals Hunters and Anglers Spend Millions in Carbon County

A University of Wyoming (UW) study on the economic impacts of hunting and fishing in Carbon County shows sportsmen provide millions of dollars to the local economy each year. In 2015, hunters and anglers injected $26.7 million into the local economy, $19.9 million from hunters and $6.8 million by anglers.

Commissioned by the Wyoming Wildlife Federation (WWF), Tex Taylor and Tom Foulke, economists with UW’s Department of Agricultural and Applied Economics, conducted the study. “The popularity of hunting and fishing by residents and nonresidents indicates that these recreational activities are important both in terms their contributions to the local economy and for their contributions to the residents’ quality of life,” says Taylor, co-author of the report.

The Carbon County study is one in a series of economic reports produced by UW for the Wyoming Public Lands Initiative (WPLI). WWF Public Lands Coordinator Jessi Johnson introduced the study today at the WPLI Carbon Advisory Committee meeting. “With these studies we hope to inform the debate with good data on the importance of hunting and fishing in the county,” Johnson says.

This committee and other county processes have been assembled to craft recommendations for Wilderness Study Areas (WSA) that fall within each county participating in the WPLI. The initiative is anticipated to culminate in congressional legislation for WSAs in Wyoming. The Carbon County report and other UW studies are available via WWF’s website and clickable map.

The economic model Taylor and Foulke used for this study is based on data from the Wyoming Game and Fish Department and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS). The total $19.9 million in hunting expenditures in Carbon County was based on hunter day estimates from Game and Fish’s 2015 Annual Harvest Reports, compiled by hunt area.

The hunting expenditures portion of the economic model was based on the USFWS National Survey of Fishing, Hunting, and Wildlife-Associated Recreation (2011), and included two expenditure estimates that Taylor adjusted to 2015 dollars: $90.91 per day is spent by residents and $579.82 per day by nonresidents. This amounted to the $19.9 million in 2015 spent by both resident and nonresident hunters in Carbon County.
 
I invite every American to contact Premier Xi from China and ask him to please stop taking away our American jobs. While your at it ask every African Prime Minister to please end worldwide hunger. Since when do nonresidents who aren’t even registered voters get to sway elected officials in a separate state where they don’t live, don’t pay property taxes and have no legal authority.
What "Legal Authority". to do what? I have the ability and can write a letter to WY representatives to give my Non-Resident perspective. Whether it impacts they're decisions is there choice.
 
What "Legal Authority". to do what? I have the ability and can write a letter to WY representatives to give my Non-Resident perspective. Whether it impacts they're decisions is there choice.
You can write a letter or you can whistle Dixie but as a non-resident and non player in the voting process I can tell you where that letter or email is going……
 
I'm sure all of you have seen who's flipp'n the bill for license sales in Wyo? Nonres contribute 77% of the total license revenue to the WG&F. I have my doubts that Wyo res are going to be willing to pick up the slack if 1/2 of nonres limited tags are suddenly gone? There is a lot of "guestimation" on where this will come from. As you can see nonres contribute a giant chunk of the WG&F revenue pie!
That’s just the license revenue, not the whole picture. The task force got this briefing in the December meeting when the Outfitters tried to spin this same data you do but the Game and Fish displayed the overall big picture.


Sy Gilliland from the Outfitters Asoociation did his best to put lipstick on the pig of the economic study the Outfitters commissioned. But the study showed outfitting is a small part of Wyoming's economy ($52 million/year). As a comparison, the Jackson Hole ski area alone generates $145 million/year.

Also - the study found that Wyoming resident hunters purchase 60% of all hunting tags in Wyoming and generate 59% of all hunting-related dollars - and that's just during hunting season! - It doesn't count all the spending we do the rest of the year when the nonresident hunters are long gone.

The study also found that both guided nonresident hunters (6x as much) and Wyoming resident hunters (2x as much) contribute more hunting-related spending than DYI nonresident hunters.

If we want to truly maximize revenue, which we don’t, then going after a much enhanced fully guided group of NR hunters will give us Maximum revenue, no need for DIY NR hunters………
 
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I wouldn'go that far
 
You can write a letter or you can whistle Dixie but as a non-resident and non player in the voting process I can tell you where that letter or email is going……
Awww now take that same exact letter from tbe same non resident and attach
A $5-10k donation and ill bet it makes, its, way to the right person
you havn't got to actually vote to get thier attention you just
Have to have the right size bank account
Money talks no matter what state /, person it comes, from
 
The carbon county revenue survey said wyo res spend $90/day and nonres spend around $580/day. Which survey is correct?

Growing up in Wyo I never traveled to hunt growing up as a kid. I had school and pretty much only hunted with my dad in units close to home on weekends due to school.

My guess is that many Wyo res hunt close to home return each day after hunting to eat dinner and sleep in their own beds. Wyo res buy groceries at local stores irregardless of whether they hunt or not since they would buy the same groceries if they didn’t hunt.
 
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I know many Utah residents who fill up with gas in Utah, drive to Afton and deer hunt with all supplies bought at Sams Club in Utah then drive back to Utah after camping on NF for six days for free having never spent a dime in Wyoming. I annually drive to the Black Hills clear across the state. Stay in a motel in Wyoming, eat out at restaurants all throughout the week and buy all gas and supplies in Wyoming. Colorado residents do the same when they come to Wyoming as utahns do. The people who live and work here, support the businesses year round, volunteer in the community, pay property taxes and vote for the local officials know where the money comes from. Fully guided hunters are a benefit to Wyoming. DIY NR, not so much……
 
Wah wah woh wah wah.
The great thing about being a NR, is I know in advance resident hunters will despise me (see examples above). Heaven forbid I arrive in town with a Uhaul! ?.
 
The carbon county revenue survey said wyo res spend $90/day and nonres spend around $580/day. Which survey is correct?

Growing up in Wyo I never traveled to hunt growing up as a kid. I had school and pretty much only hunted with my dad in units close to home on weekends due to school.

My guess is that many Wyo res hunt close to home return each day after hunting to eat dinner and sleep in their own beds. Wyo res buy groceries at local stores irregardless of whether they hunt or not since they would buy the same groceries if they didn’t hunt.
Its not 1970 anymore...people spend obscene amounts of money on hunting.

I travel half way across the state to hunt a second buck tag, stay a few nights in a hotel and eat at the local greasy-spoon.
 
Sorry jims but we just spent 14 days hunting moose in western Wyo. Bought all our food, mostly in Big Piney, fuel many times in town, had lunch at the local Mexican place, great food too. We made 2 trips over and would have made a 3rd if needed. Stopped along the way for lunch and gas in other towns.
If residents get extra tags then we will spend money going on those hunts, not all will go to folks that live close by. We have travel costs as well as NR.
Saw maybe 7 NR hunters over there judging by plates, mostly residents spending money locally while hunting.
 
Anyone want to talk about the outfitters in the Cody and Northern WY area driving to Billings to buy all their food, etc. from Sam's Club, Costco, etc. for their clients/outfitted hunts?

You know, good old salt of the earth Wyoming outfitters saving a boat load of money by avoiding paying sales tax in Wyoming (no sales tax in MT either) and to save hundreds rather than "shopping local".
 
Anyone want to talk about the outfitters in the Cody and Northern WY area driving to Billings to buy all their food, etc. from Sam's Club, Costco, etc. for their clients/outfitted hunts?

You know, good old salt of the earth Wyoming outfitters saving a boat load of money by avoiding paying sales tax in Wyoming (no sales tax in MT either) and to save hundreds rather than "shopping local".
Yep drive an hour and 45min to save sales tax?
 
Yep drive an hour and 45min to save sales tax?
And a few hundred in cheap goods...in particular when you're already there picking up clients at the airport, and writing off the mileage?

Yeah, all.......day......long.

Same thing going on in Western Wyoming with the outfitters there as well...only its Idaho Falls, Pokey, etc.
 
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And a few hundred in cheap goods...in particular when you're already there picking up clients at the airport, and writing off the mileage?

Yeah, all.......day......long.

Same thing going on in Western Wyoming with the outfitters there as well...only its Idaho Falls, Pokey, etc.
Doeant cheyene have an airport it did last time i was, there 2 yrs ago
 
Take a look at the bottom paragraph in this study: "The hunting expenditures portion of the economic model was based on the USFWS National Survey of Fishing, Hunting, and Wildlife-Associated Recreation (2011), and included two expenditure estimates that Taylor adjusted to 2015 dollars: $90.91 per day is spent by residents and $579.82 per day by nonresidents." Wyo nonres spent almost 6x more than Wyo res in Carbon County.

University of Wyoming Study Reveals Hunters and Anglers Spend Millions in Carbon County - Wyoming Wildlife Federation




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March 27, 2017

Wyoming Wildlife Federation
Contact: Chamois Andersen
(307) 438-1724 (cell)

UW Study Reveals Hunters and Anglers Spend Millions in Carbon County

A University of Wyoming (UW) study on the economic impacts of hunting and fishing in Carbon County shows sportsmen provide millions of dollars to the local economy each year. In 2015, hunters and anglers injected $26.7 million into the local economy, $19.9 million from hunters and $6.8 million by anglers.

Commissioned by the Wyoming Wildlife Federation (WWF), Tex Taylor and Tom Foulke, economists with UW’s Department of Agricultural and Applied Economics, conducted the study. “The popularity of hunting and fishing by residents and nonresidents indicates that these recreational activities are important both in terms their contributions to the local economy and for their contributions to the residents’ quality of life,” says Taylor, co-author of the report.

The Carbon County study is one in a series of economic reports produced by UW for the Wyoming Public Lands Initiative (WPLI). WWF Public Lands Coordinator Jessi Johnson introduced the study today at the WPLI Carbon Advisory Committee meeting. “With these studies we hope to inform the debate with good data on the importance of hunting and fishing in the county,” Johnson says.

This committee and other county processes have been assembled to craft recommendations for Wilderness Study Areas (WSA) that fall within each county participating in the WPLI. The initiative is anticipated to culminate in congressional legislation for WSAs in Wyoming. The Carbon County report and other UW studies are available via WWF’s website and clickable map.

The economic model Taylor and Foulke used for this study is based on data from the Wyoming Game and Fish Department and the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service (USFWS). The total $19.9 million in hunting expenditures in Carbon County was based on hunter day estimates from Game and Fish’s 2015 Annual Harvest Reports, compiled by hunt area.

The hunting expenditures portion of the economic model was based on the USFWS National Survey of Fishing, Hunting, and Wildlife-Associated Recreation (2011), and included two expenditure estimates that Taylor adjusted to 2015 dollars: $90.91 per day is spent by residents and $579.82 per day by nonresidents. This amounted to the $19.9 million in 2015 spent by both resident and nonresident hunters in Carbon County.
What about the fact that NR hunts way fewer days than most residents. As aresident I start hunting August 15th and still have not stopped. I have over 40 days in the field right now. What does the Average NR have for days in WY? I bet it is like 4-6 days. So again the numbers are not really the same...
Yep drive an hour and 45min to save sales tax?
Hell. I make a list of items I need all year long then when I get to BIllings we buy it all in bulk. I live in Lander and make it to Billings like twice a year. But when I buy things like my ice hut, camp stoves, pretty much anything $100 over than can keep, our bulk feed for our animals, etc. When I am prepared and going to billings anyways I can usually find I save $100 or more on most items and since my local retail is so limited I can usually save a bit on the price as well. If I was an outfitter and feeding 10-20 people, plus buying supplies, etc. I can imagine a trip or 2 to Billings would save significant money and my mileage and cost would all be write offs as well. Makes Sense...
 
Anyone want to talk about the outfitters in the Cody and Northern WY area driving to Billings to buy all their food, etc. from Sam's Club, Costco, etc. for their clients/outfitted hunts?

You know, good old salt of the earth Wyoming outfitters saving a boat load of money by avoiding paying sales tax in Wyoming (no sales tax in MT either) and to save hundreds rather than "shopping local".
Groceries aren't taxed in Wyoming.
 
Why doesn't the outfitter use, cheyenne regional
Airport? Or is it just assumeing they drive to billings?
Cody to Cheyenne is a 400 mile trip that takes 5 or so hours. Cody to Billings is less than 2 hours. If you were flying hunters would you want to spend 10 hours going to get them or 4?

I know the same thing happens in The SW, everyone flies into Salt Lake City, outfitters pick up all supplies when getting the hunters etc.
 

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