If you're looking for me to get in some sort of moral equivalency argument over the point at which a life exists, you'll have to keep waiting. I've not been dragged into the abortion debate here and I'm not going to start now.
It appears you think you've got a trump card by saying that somebody who wants some level of gun control can't also be pro-choice because they're okay with killing unborn babies.
I hope you can see that there is an equally cogent argument made by the pro-choice folks when they say that pro-gun people only care about saving kids lives until they're born.
Both sides are oversimplifying the other's arguments.
Slam has made an argument on gun control where he basically says he'd consider supporting certain restrictions (age, NFA) as long as nobody takes his guns. That's not dissimilar to an argument made by a 22yo girl who says she just doesn't want some group of men in a courthouse or statehouse telling her that their religion controls what she does with her body.
You've been open about your personal experiences with fertility and I respect the perspective that's given you. Alternatively, I've spoken to a friend who had an abortion when she lived on the east coast and I'm certain that she's as convicted in her beliefs as you are in yours.
Lumpy made a wise post above where he talked about both sides feeling the other is limiting their freedoms. I think that's correct and the foundation of this discussion. One side says, "Life begins at a certain point and you're killing kids for convenience or poor birth control planning."
The other says, "You're killing kids because it's more important for you to have an AR-15, and it's not up to you as to when I think life begins."
There's no middle ground to be had there, they're equally defensible by the parties concerned. So let's stop trying to equate them. It's not helpful.
PS. hoss, I truly believe nobody is "pro-abortion." Even Planned Parenthood would rather prevent unwanted pregnancies than terminate them. Maybe I'm naive, but I think everybody would rather abortions didn't happen.
I'm for straight talk. Not bullshit.
This kids dad is 42. Meaning he was 24 when he made him. Not exactly some 15 yr old in a tight spot. The dad said, to the daily beast, he hadn't seen him in months.
The inability to talk straight leads to "well meaning" folks "doing something".
We all knew this kid. Parents flaked out on him. Socially awkward. Weird. But able to get by because God forbid, the schools, or others label him latch key, anti social, or some other non acceptable term in the society of today. He's one of 64 genders. Just living his truth.
Daddy left him. Mom struggled with him. Girls shunned him.
So he grabs a gun. But not just a fun. That "high caliber"( Joe Biden) scary black one the libs are yapping about.
Because tens of millions, have them, yet don't shoot anyone, but somehow, the mystic power of black plastic, is mind inducing.
So, we should ban it. Not address the abandonment. Not address the failure of society, safety nets, etc.
Ban that AR, and all violence ends.
Til next month, when a mentally ill, abandoned, weird, man, uses a different weapon.
Government didn't fix poverty. Didn't fix alcoholism. Didn't fix drug use. Didn't fix Islamist terror. Government can't fix the damn pothole in front of my house.
But, they can fix this?
Here's straight talk.
Guns kill. AR, doesn't mean "automatic rifle", or "assault rifle". The Great Society was a complete failure, as was mothballing mental institutions. Evil exists.
Those dancing grandmas in Wisconsin are just as dead as these kids. No one is banning SUVs because of it. More folks died of fentanyl overdose in the last 5 days, than anyone killed via AR. One is in the news and visited by the Pres, the other isn't, I wonder why.
I bought an AR because leftists hate them. I didn't have a good reason.
I'll add this, because this is a hunting forum.
EVERY ONE OF US has taken life. We have all ended a beating heart. Unlike the bullshit PR and double speak, EVERY one of us has witnessed the difference in a beating heart, vs a non beating heart. Be pro, whatever helps you sleep, but stoping a being, animal, entity heart from beating, is ending it.
That's straight talk. The why, is noise.