Wyoming Introduces Bill to Ban EVs

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LOL. I have no idea of the chances this has, but it is dang funny. I will say this- EVs are simply unrealistic for hunters in so many situations.

 
So people are okay with big government overreach and the government banning certain industries in a free market system to try and prop up one industry over another?

If a Wyoming resident wants to buy an electric vehicle, that should be their choice. I do not support the government telling people how to live their own lives or what car they have to drive.

What faction of conservatism are the Wyoming legislators supposed to be representing when they can't say, "The government should stay out of families pocketbooks and lives," and instead are looking to pass such ridiculous new laws telling people what cars they can and can't drive.

It's not okay for California to do it one way, but it's not okay for Wyoming to do it another.

So much for freedom.
 
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So people are okay with big government overreach and the government banning certain industries in a free market system to try and prop up one industry over another? It's not okay for California to do it one way, but it's not okay for Wyoming to do it another.

If a Wyoming resident wants to buy an electric vehicle, that should be their choice. I do not support the government telling people how to live their own lives or what car they have to drive.

What faction of conservatism are the Wyoming legislators supposed to be representing when they can't say, "The government should stay out of families pocketbooks and lives," and instead are looking to pass such ridiculous new laws telling people what cars they can and can't drive. So much for freedom.
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So people are okay with big government overreach and the government banning certain industries in a free market system to try and prop up one industry over another?

If a Wyoming resident wants to buy an electric vehicle, that should be their choice. I do not support the government telling people how to live their own lives or what car they have to drive.

What faction of conservatism are the Wyoming legislators supposed to be representing when they can't say, "The government should stay out of families pocketbooks and lives," and instead are looking to pass such ridiculous new laws telling people what cars they can and can't drive.

It's not okay for California to do it one way, but it's not okay for Wyoming to do it another.

So much for freedom.
You're catching on fast!
 
i could see passing legislation or law or whatever you want to call it stating that owners of EV's are financially responsible for there disposal/recycling within a state. that's a legit thing since these things are ironically enough a environmental nightmare to throw away. i suppose that could get the discouragement they want in their state with out infringing on liberties.
 
Seems to me Wyoming is just trying to make a point----and a darn good one!! People are getting tired of being told what they can and can't do because of global warming, green energy, clean energy or whatever the topic of the day is to fit a certain agenda.
People in this country, for the most part, are very capable of making their own decisions based on their personnel opinions, beliefs and needs. If someone wants an electric car, electric stove, gas car, gas stove, covid shot, no covid shot etc., etc. they should have the right to do so without being scrutinized or penalized by someone or a group of "SOMEONES" who doesn't believe like they do.

At least us in the hunting community just argue about important stuff like what weapons we should or shouldn't be using, how far we should or shouldn't be shooting, sights or no sights, game cameras or no cameras etc. etc.!!! ?:)
 
Seems to me Wyoming is just trying to make a point----and a darn good one!! People are getting tired of being told what they can and can't do because of global warming, green energy, clean energy or whatever the topic of the day is to fit a certain agenda.
So the answer is for the government to tell people what to do to make a point against the government telling people what to do?

It's hard to get much dumber than that.

If some plumber or HVAC guy in Jackson wants to have a couple Ford E-Transit vans for service calls, that's his choice... not some guy 200 miles away on a power trip. (No pun intended)
 
You're catching on fast!
You're missing the big picture if you think my ethos has changed, and I'll prove it by showing that my standings are consistently pro-freedom, on both sides of the aisle... it's those that pick and choose which freedoms they think others should have that are inconsistent.

My overarching belief that, "The Government Should Stay Out Of People's Lives" applies equally to California banning internal combustion engines as it does to Wyoming banning EV cars and trucks. But it also applies to the government staying out of people's bedrooms, health care, marriages, and gun cabinets.

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It is a lesson that can be understood through a famous quote...

“I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it” - Evelyn Beatrice Hall, paraphrasing Voltaire

I don't believe it is ethically or morally defensible to say it's okay for Wyoming to ban certain vehicles and criticize California for it. One is either for small government or they are not. Part of being for small government is that you must be willing to defend the rights of those you disagree with because your overarching belief that just as they can't force their beliefs on you, you can't force your beliefs on them.

A prime example is the anti-gay marriage rally cry of, "God made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve."

Often those espousing that phrase will wave an American flag and scream "FREEDOM" without realizing that they are trying to tell two adults which freedoms some people can have and others cannot. And to top it off, they reference their church teachings, which is clearly antithetical to the First Amendment to the very Constitution that they claim to be supporting.

It may appear I'm off subject of the OP, but I'm not; this post is meant as an umbrella covering the concept of one not trying impose his will on another and then claiming he's for small government and freedom.

If you're for small government and freedom, you have to defend those you disagree with too. They have as much rights to their EV as you do to your diesel pickup.

One can't have it both ways.
 
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Hmmm......so in your free country, the free people can't have norms, standards and any laws???
Hmmm, I think you are smart enough to understand that laws and freedom are not mutually exclusive. That's to say that we can have laws and still have freedom - anarchy is not a prerequisite for freedom.

Let's jump to another famous exchange to explore your question; this from an 1880's discussion on the prohibition of alcohol...

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“Is not this a free country?”

“Yes, sir.”

“Have not I a right to swing my arm?”

“Yes, but your right to swing your arm leaves off where my right not to have my nose struck begins.”

Here civil government comes in to prevent bloodshed, adjust rights, and settle disputes.


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The point of that oration is the role of government is to protect the rights of others, not pass laws taking rights from some while granting those rights to a different class.

The role of government for those that believe in freedom is not to impose it's "norms [and] standards" on anybody, but to protect the right of each to have their own norms and standards.

One easy example is adult-oriented businesses. We, as a society, have decided that AOBs in certain neighborhoods would be counter to our societal desires, so they are prohibited in some areas. What we don't do is grant one person the right to open an AOB in a certain area while not granting another person that same right. The role of the government is not to pick winners and losers... that's why we shouldn't issue a government-sponsored marriage license to a man and woman but refuse it to a woman and woman.

Another example is private property rights. You can listen to music all you want on your property, but the second the sound travels across your fence and prevents your neighbor from the quiet enjoyment of his own property, you've violated his rights and it can be unlawful.

Let's use wildlife laws as a final example, the reason a free society can regulate hunting is because if one person was allowed to shoot too many animals, it would prevent everybody else from their equal opportunity to take animals as well. The rights of the poacher end where the rights of the legal hunter begin.

Back to the OP, the government shouldn't be picking which car designs win and lose. It's up to those individuals in a free society to buy whichever they choose and the other manufacturer can adjust or fail.

The 'freedom to fail' is part of the deal, but that needs to be a freedom... not a government mandate.

No freedom loving person should ever vote to take freedoms away from another just because they disagree. I promise you I'll never marry a man, but I'm certainly not going to tell another person whom they can or cannot marry.

The point of the Constitution is to limit government, not allow it to get bigger and bigger and take more and more rights by popular demand or public clamor. That wouldn't be freedom at all.
 
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The ability of people to see past the principles that they claim to stand for just to be counter culture is mind boggling. If you read this and think anything other then “government overreach” you need to really question what it is you are angry about with our government and why.
 
"Back to the OP, the government shouldn't be picking which car designs win and lose. It's up to those individuals in a free society to buy whichever they choose and the other manufacturer can adjust or fail."

The government is deciding which car wins with the Tax incentives.
 
So the answer is for the government to tell people what to do to make a point against the government telling people what to do?

It's hard to get much dumber than that.

If some plumber or HVAC guy in Jackson wants to have a couple Ford E-Transit vans for service calls, that's his choice... not some guy 200 miles away on a power trip. (No pun intended)
Bingo!!!!!
 
Wyoming is in The Process of Sending/Selling a Bunch of Power To KALI!


Maybe They Ain't Gonna Have Enough Power For Their Own EV's?
 
Wyoming is in The Process of Sending/Selling a Bunch of Power To KALI!


Maybe They Ain't Gonna Have Enough Power For Their Own EV's?
Idaho too.

‘It’s A Wealth Transfer’: Locals Blast Colossal Idaho Wind Project That Would Mostly Export Power To California​



You better move to California. California is the future.
 
How can we not all love more oil and gas wells all over the winter range up there? That’s what makes Wyoming so awesome! :rolleyes:
 
How can we not all love more oil and gas wells all over the winter range up there? That’s what makes Wyoming so awesome! :rolleyes:
Heres 1900 acres of what CPW considers critical winter range.


There’s also 1600 acres going in a few miles down the road from mi casa, exactly where that herd of elk I posted pictures of is. Obviously winter range, and prime ag land as well.


Im a way bigger fan of well locations than of reflective hellscape, and I’m not alone in pushing back on these industrial nightmares.

These tesla drivers won’t give two shits if the entire winter range is destroyed in the name of clean energy.
 
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How can we not all love more oil and gas wells all over the winter range up there? That’s what makes Wyoming so awesome! :rolleyes:
Ever hunt Sand creek area by Adobe in Antelope 57? That country is so awesome, so remote, until you hit that gas pad in the middle of nowhere. Ah well....
 
Grizz, your point is well understood. We’re trending toward the “freedom to think” only.

Just an honest question:

How does an ordinary guy like me fight against the 1% of this world with all the wealth and power to change what freedom truly is?

I walked away from a job over a year ago because of their destructive agenda hidden in plain sight by their “Go Green” stance. They make/manufacture a drink….a substance that takes two gallons of water to produce one gallon of their product. They brought this business to water-challenged Utah of all states to produce and distribute this product. “Go Green” huh?! Where is the green in swallowing up a resource that isn’t there to begin with?

I left when they said their water feed to the plant needed to be bigger because it was causing pump cavitation and slowing down their ability to produce to their calculated levels of profit.

I left when they said their 6” water main needed to be 12”. But the city feed for the whole industrial complex was an 8” water main.

I left when they made plans to pull a second 6” feed off the 8” main just down the street.

I left because they were idiots. They came to Utah because of big money. They came because distribution of product to the West was efficient through Utah. Ignoring the water challenges. The 1% let them into Utah because of….you guessed it…money….to add to the growing problem of an evaporating salt lake. But they’ll turn a blind eye to that and propose tree cutting in a predominantly desert area as a solution to “saving the lake” and restoring the ecosystem.

So how does an ordinary guy combat the 1% of wealthy decision makers?

My choices haven’t put that company out of business. They still reside in this state gobbling up a precious resource.

All it taught me was that I have the freedom to think…The freedom to sit on the sidelines and watch the world continue to spiral.

How do the ordinary change the way freedom is being manipulated and abused?
 
So people are okay with big government overreach and the government banning certain industries in a free market system to try and prop up one industry over another?

If a Wyoming resident wants to buy an electric vehicle, that should be their choice. I do not support the government telling people how to live their own lives or what car they have to drive.

What faction of conservatism are the Wyoming legislators supposed to be representing when they can't say, "The government should stay out of families pocketbooks and lives," and instead are looking to pass such ridiculous new laws telling people what cars they can and can't drive.

It's not okay for California to do it one way, but it's not okay for Wyoming to do it another.

So much for freedom.


Wyoming, and most states, have protected their industries for ever.

All states license, and in doing so protect or attempt to protect local jobs. Construction, medicine, etc, etc, etc.

Utah is the sole controller of liquor, and as such it can and does limit the market.

Utah has control(limiting freedom) of window tinting companies. Lift manufacturers, etc.

So I agree with you on freedom, but let's not pretend Wyoming banning EV is any different than Utah banning grocery stores from selling booze
 
They tried to pull similar with banning ports from accepting Utah coal.

If we had anyone with nuts in State gov, we would have shut off IPP for "maintenance" until that ban got lifted.

Be great if the rest of the West that supplies Kali with power and water, banned together to really flex. Props to Wyoming. Although I'm still waiting for nuisance Grizzlies to be sent to Kali like we were promised
 
Wyoming, and most states, have protected their industries for ever.

All states license, and in doing so protect or attempt to protect local jobs. Construction, medicine, etc, etc, etc.

Utah is the sole controller of liquor, and as such it can and does limit the market.

Utah has control(limiting freedom) of window tinting companies. Lift manufacturers, etc.

So I agree with you on freedom, but let's not pretend Wyoming banning EV is any different than Utah banning grocery stores from selling booze
Don't worry, I'm well aware that the Utah GOP socialized liquor in this state.

It goes to my larger point above; there is a group of people that screams about freedom until it comes to social issues and then wants to control people's lives and tell them how to live... too often under the banner of their specific religion.

As to your licensing example, this goes to my point above that we as a society have decided there are certain things we want to limit for safety or social order, such as the locations of Adult Oriented Businesses.

Using your example, we require electricians to be licensed; what we don't do is say that Acme Electrical is the only electrician and everybody has to use them. Or, conversely, that we're going to license all electricians except ZZZ Electrical.... thus forcing ZZZ Electrical out of business. That is what Wyoming was trying to do with their ill-conceived bill.

PS. The Wyoming bill died so any further discussion is purely philosophical.
 
"Back to the OP, the government shouldn't be picking which car designs win and lose. It's up to those individuals in a free society to buy whichever they choose and the other manufacturer can adjust or fail."

The government is deciding which car wins with the Tax incentives.
I agree with this to an extent.

Here's why.....here in Cali we are big on solar for homes. You can get the solar panel system and get the $12K tax break. The systems run anywhere from $20-30K. Do the math.....if the system works efficiently for more than 10 years, you've done well.

They look like **** on the house though....that is my opinion and that is why I will never buy in to solar panel for my home.

On the flip side, all new construction requires a minimum amount of panels so EVERY house of gonna look like ****.

Point is that just because there is a tax incentive, not every one will buy in to it.

Every EV should be sold with a built in "disposal" fee. Charge an extra fee of $3500 if thats what it cost to properly dispose of the lithium batteries they contain. That's what we did her in Cali with mattress's. You prepay the disposal fee for a matress so when you take it to the dump, it's free....already been paid for. You know why they did that? Guess how many mattress's were left on the side of the roads just out of town? An absolute sh!t ton.....
 
See there- common sense prevailed in Wyoming. Now let's work on California! :ROFLMAO:
They didn't even bother to vote on it so it was just to make a point or as nfh said " Don't ---- with Wyoming. They did get some mileage out of it though as I saw it talked about today on a major news network . Maybe it will get a few people on both sides of the aisle thinking about trying to cram things down other peoples throats and expecting them to just roll over and take it.

Good luck on changing California!! The way they're flocking in here in Montana to get away from the political craziness created,
there can't be many people left!!!
 
I agree with this to an extent.

Here's why.....here in Cali we are big on solar for homes. You can get the solar panel system and get the $12K tax break. The systems run anywhere from $20-30K. Do the math.....if the system works efficiently for more than 10 years, you've done well.

They look like **** on the house though....that is my opinion and that is why I will never buy in to solar panel for my home.

On the flip side, all new construction requires a minimum amount of panels so EVERY house of gonna look like ****.

Point is that just because there is a tax incentive, not every one will buy in to it.

Every EV should be sold with a built in "disposal" fee. Charge an extra fee of $3500 if thats what it cost to properly dispose of the lithium batteries they contain. That's what we did her in Cali with mattress's. You prepay the disposal fee for a matress so when you take it to the dump, it's free....already been paid for. You know why they did that? Guess how many mattress's were left on the side of the roads just out of town? An absolute sh!t ton.....
I just loaded 3 mattresses from the side of the road.....there are still a **** ton being dumped on the side of the road....it had no affect to those clowns that illegally dump
All of this in 2 piles…it is constant
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As I trudge thru knee high snow every day to plug my backhoe block heater into my RV plug, my mind wanders to the alternatives………
 
This was just on the local noon news out of Missoula Mt. a few minutes ago. They interviewed the Rep. from Wyoming who introduced the Bill. I only caught the tail end of the interview as
he was saying it was mostly symbolic like most of us thought.
The interesting part though was they also interviewed a business owner not far from the Wyoming state line in Red Lodge , Montana. He has already installed a few charging stations near his Motel. However , in order to use the charging station you have to stay overnight in his Motel. Sounds like a smart businessman.
I couldn't help but wonder when States figure out all the ways to tax these new EV's and more smart businessman figure out how to make you stay at there Motels, eat at their Restaurants, visit their Spas, etc. etc. in order to charge up your new environmentally friendly 50 to 70 thousand dollar car who's going to be able to afford them. Much less take a vacation in one.
It's going to be interesting to see what takes place.

I know I'm planning on hanging on to my good old faithful Toyota's as long as I can!!
 
I couldn't help but wonder when States figure out all the ways to tax these new EV's
So ironic- take California which has an egregious tax on gas/diesel and everything automotive- and they are "banning" them. Guaranteed, as soon as all the natives are running around driving those huge battery mobiles, they WILL find a way to tax the crap out of 'em...
 
So ironic- take California which has an egregious tax on gas/diesel and everything automotive- and they are "banning" them. Guaranteed, as soon as all the natives are running around driving those huge battery mobiles, they WILL find a way to tax the crap out of 'em...
I agree with you 100%. Once
 
So ironic- take California which has an egregious tax on gas/diesel and everything automotive- and they are "banning" them. Guaranteed, as soon as all the natives are running around driving those huge battery mobiles, they WILL find a way to tax the crap out of 'em...
My finger was a little to thick!! Sorry for the D.P.
Like you said once State officials in California get people mandatorily hooked on EV's they'll more than start making up for the millions they're losing on gas/diesel taxes and the revenue they're losing from all people who are leaving.
Sad for the good honest hard working people who still live their.
 
Fuel taxes pay for all road maintainance i Cali....bike riders and EV drivers are freeloaders.........
No more fuel to tax = no more road maintenance? I doubt it.
People are gonna get the crap taxed out of them somewhere I'll bet.
Kamala will probably get voted in as Pres. in a couple more years and I'm sure she'll have a plan. :rolleyes: :)
 
Fuel taxes pay for all road maintainance i Cali....bike riders and EV drivers are freeloaders.........
No more fuel to tax = no more road maintenance? I doubt it.
People are gonna get the crap taxed out of them somewhere I'll bet.
Kamala will probably get voted in as Pres. in a couple more years and I'm sure she'll have a plan. :rolleyes: :)
 
Brandon pushes EV cars with tax incentives and govt involvement, so that means the C2 67 Vette stingray his daddy gave him for his birthday will need to go.

They need to make sure there are no more classified documents in the car when they pick it up.
 
I could say I was just trying to get my point across by posting twice or it was a post so nice I thought I'd do it twice!!
But in reality two screw ups in one evening is enough for one day so I'm done posting tonight!!
I thought he was talking about a different type of DP.....had me worried for a minute.
 
I thought he was talking about a different type of DP.....had me worried for a minute.
Well I said I wasn't going to make another post today but after reading yours I have to make one last one!
Being somewhat of a Montana redneck I had no idea what DP could stand for other than an abbreviation for the double posts I made that you and Homer so astutely picked up on. Us Montana Rednecks are not very computer savvy but I have managed to figure out how to use google. So---- I googled " What does DP mean."
Actually it seems it means a variety of things some of which I can understand now why you said " had me worried for a minute !! "
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