Bull basin in NV Cleve and Monty dewier are the hound guys in the west #2 is the Whitaker Brothers Colorado . Both u will kill a Tom most guys don’t care is it trees it gets wacked u don’t won’t a 70 pound female on the wall. But others will call it an old 100 pound
I’ve had **** customer service from Zeiss as well on my 10x42 range find binoculars. Put them on the shelf and bought swaro’s will next recommend or buy Zeiss agin!