Mule Deer Herd Numbers Challenges

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So with the discussion about the Pine Valley Unit, the Beaver Unit, the accuracy of the actual Deer count numbers, and discussion about the general decline in the West. It got me thinking and I thought I would list the challenges that I see and have heard about that may or may not affect the Deer numbers.
Some of them may have a large effect and some may be a small effect.

Just to clarify I live in and Hunt in Nevada, I try to archery hunt in Utah when drawn. And Hunt [mainly Elk] in Colorado. I have kids so now they are more of a priority for Hunting than myself.
I am mainly talking about Mule Deer but they may bleed into other game and Hunting in general.
I am not trying to argue with anyone and this is not a rant and are just my observations/thoughts as I utilize some of these things myself. [Not judging].
I don't have a degree in anything except for hard knocks and Im sure most of you are smart folks. Just throwing this out there.

1. Better scopes, optics, range finders and thermal optics.
2. Better and more accurate calibers and rifle.
3. Scopes on Muzzleloaders in some States. [Not Nevada]
4. Better archery equipment. Bows, sights, arrows and such.
5. More athletic guys and gals getting into the field. [maybe]
6. Shows and videos popularizing/commercializing the "sport" if you will. Also FB, Instagram and such.
7. Guides and Outfitters with good marketing. [Good reputations as well]
8. People with a lot of money that will pay big money for a tag.
9. Trail Cams use on public land and desert states.
10. Google, ONX and e scouting
11. Predators.
12. CWD and EHD.
13. Habitat loss and things like cheatgrass.
14. Drought.
15. More and more SXS use off road and new trails.
16. Extended and shoulder seasons. [Hunting from August to December with all forms of take, Archery , ML and Rifle]
17. More Elk pushing Deer out. [Maybe]
18. More people Applying for tags.
19. Winter Kill on bad years.
20. Points being passed on to others. [Not sure on this one].
21. Maybe people selling locations of game they have located.
22. Shed Hunting becoming more popular.
23. Having family and friends along [posse] along for that special tag.
24. Better overall equipment that keep folks in the field longer.
25. Auction Tags. I suppose that would fall under #8.
26. Poaching
27. Use of communication devices while in pursuit of Deer/game
28. Roadkill
29. Loss of Migration. That may go with #13
30. Fences
31. Improper range management.
32. Wild horse population
33. Drone use
34. Spotlighting during Hunting season
35. Baiting


Feel free to add anything you may think of.
 
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The Changes are Many & Some of you will Think they are HARSH!

You're Right!

The Extended Archery Hunt will Come To an End & Now!

The Late Muzz Tags are Gone as Well!

For CFS We Don't have the Deer Numbers for these kinda BS Hunts for GAWDS Sakes!

Hunting Big Game Continuously & Overlapped From Mid-August through January/February with No Relaxation Time for the Deer Herd No Longer Happens!

Not Every TARD in this State Gets a Tag Every Year!

I Hate it as much as anybody,but the Inflation of Hunters outnumber the number of Harvest-able Deer we can Harvest each year!

It is Now a 50,000.00 Fine on the very first offense when you're caught Off-Roading Your F'N Wheelers & Side X Sides in Closed Areas/Primitive/Private Property without Permission!

On Your 2nd Offense 150,000.00 Fine,Confiscation of your Wheeler/Side X Side,Your Rig/Truck You Pulled it to the Mountain With & 1 Year in Jail and Your Hunting Rights are Revoked 50 States wide for Life!

Trespassers get the same Treatment as Listed above!

Poachers on the very first offense will be Fined 150,00.00,pay full replacement price of the Animal they Illegally took,All Hunting Gear/Vehicles Confiscated & Auctioned off with that Money going back to the DWR to Help Prosecute more Poachers & Fencing,Hunting Privileges Revoked forever in all 50 States with 2 Years of Free Meals down at the Local Jail Cell!

I'm Helping PUNK on this one:Baiting Deer/Big Game of any Kind Lands you a Free Stay with Bubba for 6 Months,You'll be Banned from all Hunting in all 50 States for Life along with a 25,000.00 Fine!

Wasting Deer/ Wildlife of any Kind will get You the Same Treatment as Listed above!

Deer Management Will be Based on Total Number of Deer & Not Buck to Doe Ratio's alone,Deer Counts will be Proven to the Best We can Count them,Not Guesstimated,Not Exaggerated And NOT Lied about Fake,Phony,F'N Elevated Numbers of Deer that Don't Exist!

When We Notice Deer Declining in Units below satisfactory numbers,there will be Tags/Permits Cut Immediately,not years down the road when it's too late!

There Are No More Antler-less/Doe Tags anywhere in the State,When Problems arise,The Does/Deer Will Be Captured & Moved!

Legal Archery Equipment will be Limited to Recurves Only!

Legal Muzzle-loaders will be Hawkins & Flintlocks only!

Legal Rifles will only Have Scopes with a Maximum Magnification of 4 Power!

Rangefinders are Not Legal & You Won't need them with the Down Grading of all Weaponry!

Trail Cams are Strictly Prohibited on all Public Ground & it is Legal for any Person to Tear them Down & Destroy them at any time!

Drones are legal for Target Practice year around!

Outfitters & Guides Can Not Surround/Herd or Camp on any Big Game Animals!

Camo Clothing of all Types is Prohibited so Dig Your Red F'N Shirts out!

Spotting Scopes of any kind/Size are prohibited from using during any Hunt,with the shorter Range Weaponry you won't need them!

No Units will be Mismanaged so Poorly that they have to be Closed!

There Will Be 5 Units around the State in a few places known as
Opportunist Units/Hunts,When They've Pounded These Out they can NOT start BAWLING wanting to Pound the other Units out!

All Units excluding the 5 Opportunist Units will have Antler Restrictions of 4 Point or better to be a legal Buck!

Anybody Shooting Sub 4 Point Bucks in a 4 Point or Better Unit will pay a 35,000.00 Fine on the 1st Offense,Lose their Hunting Rights for Life in all 50 States!

Any Hunter Entering Great Grandpa or Great Grandma/Etc in to the Draws just to Hunt on their Permits will be Fined 40,000.00 & Banned for Life of Hunting Privileges in all 50 States!

Paraplanes/Shoot-Planes are Outlawed during any Hunting Seasons and if Caught you'll Pay 25,000.00 & Confiscation of your Shoot-Plane!

Several Roads & Trails will Be Flat Ass Closed,You Get Caught You'll Pay Dearly,Get Your Boots Oiled up!

SpotLighting will Be Outlawed 1 Month Before Bow Season through January 31st in all Big Game Units/Areas,Break this Law & it'll Cost You 30,000.00 & Loss of Hunting Rights in all 50 States for Life!

Each Year We will do More Deer Fencing along Highways,It'll take several years,We should have been doing this 50 years ago!

No More Cow Killer Hunts Running From August Through Jan-Feb,Yes People this Adds Pressure on the Deer Herd They do not Need!

Managing for Strictly Money is Over with!

Nobody can Outguess Weather/Drought & Management will be Tweaked accordingly by the Year!(NOT By saying:Oh We've got a 5 Year Plan Locked in & We can't do anything!)

Forest Service/BLM/DWR will Start Enforcing Existing Rules & Laws before Making More which have only Hurt the Honest Sportsmen & they Do NOT Enforce them!

Radio's Used to Help Kill Deer will Land You a 30,000.00 Fine & Confiscation of all other Hunting Equipment on you at time of the Arrest!

The Dedicated Hunter Program will Continue,It Will Be Mandatory all Projects will be 'MULE DEER' Related & You have to put in your Hours,No More PAY for your Hours Type of BS unless an Emergency comes up!

All LE Buck & Bull Tags will Be Once in a F'N Lifetime!

I Could go on & on But I Won't!

Niller wanted 1 or maybe 3 Things I'd Do If I Could Change the Management for the Better!

Listed above is a Few!

There are Many,Many More that could be added to Help a Suffering Deer Herd!

This Ought to be enough though To PISS The Pope Off & Most other TARDS of this State!

If You Think the Past Deer Management Plans have Helped anything you are WRONG!

If You Think this Last WB Meeting & Changes will Save the Deer Herd You are WRONG!

HELL-RIGHT,HELL-F'N-RIGHT!

 
I think all are great points and need to be addressed. My personal input is we have to stop deer from getting hit by vehicles on there winter/migratory ranges. Drive down any highway through these areas Dec. through March and you will see plenty of does and fawns dead. You can't expect herds to be replenished when a pregnant doe and her fawn are slaughtered across the roads.
 
Been a while since I looked at harvest numbers in Idaho but I seem to remember them being pretty consistent with them actually being higher a decade or so ago. I really don’t think it’s hunters depleting the heard. I’d look at habitat loss. Granted hunting should be adjusted so the harvest goes down with the numbers but I don’t think hunting what’s caused it. Could be wrong
 
Back in the 1990s, I researched & wrote an article titled, Water, Water Everywhere. It's on my computer that is kaput right now.

It basically addressed the declining mule deer population, mostly in AZ but elsehwere as well. I interviewed several biologists.

In the article, I cited the early 1980s as a time where we couldn't kill enough deer in AZ. We gave out more than 100K permits & had some left over. If I recall, you could even kill a 2nd deer.

The defining difference between those banner years and the latter ones including now was RAIN -- lots of it. They called a couple "100-year flood years."

I'll paraphrase something Ray Lee, the head of the AGFD big-game section at the time, said during our interview: "All the does were dropping twins, and their twins were having twins. With so much browse, they never lacked enough food to survive."
 
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The List Is Getting Bigger Quickly!

I Suspect if anything is Done at all?

They'll Try Just One GAWD-DAMMED Item off of the Big List To See If The Herd Will Fix Itself!

It's Over Boys!

Hunting Quality Mule Deer As We Once Knew It Is Over With & It Ain't Coming Back!
 
Here's a few.
Get rid of later season dates (like this year and the next few in CO) unless is premium $ with very limited tags
No A AND B tags for deer. (CO)
 
13,14 I’m pretty confident are the #1 causes for low herd numbers, I feel Hunters only effect age class of bucks. I’ve got a little bit of education on how a species population goes up and down and it’s like a frequently line, what goes up has got to go down and sometimes the down is a little more extreme than the last time the pop numbers went down.
 
The Utah dwr just barley posted a YouTube video on this exact topic, it pretty well explains our current situation with mule deer numbers in Utah but also apply’s rough to other states.
 
Lot's of great comments and opinions here, but one I see that I don't think will ever go away because of the Urban Sprawl.....the extended archery hunts.
These hunts are im implemented to help reduce deer numbers in the urban areas for residential reasons.
I hate it, but it's not going anywhere, in fact I wouldn't be surprised to see shotgun slugs added in the near future.

And the baiting subject IS being enforced.
My taxidermist friend got a visit from the DNR in Northern Utah and they confiscated a moose a customer brought in because it was proven to be baited by a salt block.
So much for that OIL tag!
 
slamdunk said:
Lot's of great comments and opinions here, but one I see that I don't think will ever go away because of the Urban Sprawl.....the extended archery hunts.
These hunts are im implemented to help reduce deer numbers in the urban areas for residential reasons.
I hate it, but it's not going anywhere, in fact I wouldn't be surprised to see shotgun slugs added in the near future.

And the baiting subject IS being enforced.
My taxidermist friend got a visit from the DNR in Northern Utah and they confiscated a moose a customer brought in because it was proven to be baited by a salt block.
So much for that OIL tag!
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Hahaha Utah DWR in a nutshell. Sit around watch Netflix, wait for a jealous buddy to roll on their comrade for "baiting" a moose. How was it "Proven" to be baited by a salt block? That's comical.
 
Bigwiffy said:
Hahaha Utah DWR in a nutshell. Sit around watch Netflix, wait for a jealous buddy to roll on their comrade for "baiting" a moose. How was it "Proven" to be baited by a salt block? That's comical.
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Well I hope a COUPLE different officers where on the case…
 
Bigwiffy said:
Hahaha Utah DWR in a nutshell. Sit around watch Netflix, wait for a jealous buddy to roll on their comrade for "baiting" a moose. How was it "Proven" to be baited by a salt block? That's comical.
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Why don't you call the DNR wiffy and find out for yourself if you need to be entertained by facts.
Myself, I don't care, I just simply relayed a fact from the taxidermist.
I don't need to prove anything to you.
 
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You want to fix mule deer and hunting as a whole? It’s time to start requiring vasectomies of all Utah men once they hit hunting age. But no one wants to have those “hard” talks. Stop beating around the bush. The less utards the better the hunting etc will be. No more flat brim hats. No more people calling animals “studs”. No more posse pics. No more selling bucks to the highest bidder. All the states could get get rid of their shed seasons.

It’s no coincidence that as the utard population has went up the mule deer population has went down. And not only in Utah but every state that touches it.

But no one wants to talk about the flat brimmed sxs driving elephant in the room….
 
NO time MONEY Nor Effort will ever save Utah’s natural resources.
When I was a young lad school was let out for opening weekend of the deer hunt. It was recognized as a holiday..
Wow, times have changed.

There is no hope with the cognitive ability of DNR.
 
SS! said:
You want to fix mule deer and hunting as a whole? It’s time to start requiring vasectomies of all Utah men once they hit hunting age. But no one wants to have those “hard” talks. Stop beating around the bush. The less utards the better the hunting etc will be. No more flat brim hats. No more people calling animals “studs”. No more posse pics. No more selling bucks to the highest bidder. All the states could get get rid of their shed seasons.

It’s no coincidence that as the utard population has went up the mule deer population has went down. And not only in Utah but every state that touches it.

But no one wants to talk about the flat brimmed sxs driving elephant in the room….
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Perty true statement there SS!
 
Shoot slam, I’m not discrediting what you have said at all…, but get ahold of this westernmuleys guy? See if there is consistency about investigations?
A fellow reports a deadhead? Year later . Not a peep.. why is that really? I GUARANTEE you if it was a 230 buck or 400 bull it would be front and center, and someone would be paying just like a high profile murder..

We only hear what they want us to hear… unless you look for it.
 
eyeman said:
So with the discussion about the Pine Valley Unit, the Beaver Unit, the accuracy of the actual Deer count numbers, and discussion about the general decline in the West. It got me thinking and I thought I would list the challenges that I see and have heard about that may or may not affect the Deer numbers.
Some of them may have a large effect and some may be a small effect.

Just to clarify I live in and Hunt in Nevada, I try to archery hunt in Utah when drawn. And Hunt [mainly Elk] in Colorado. I have kids so now they are more of a priority for Hunting than myself.
I am mainly talking about Mule Deer but they may bleed into other game and Hunting in general.
I am not trying to argue with anyone and this is not a rant and are just my observations/thoughts as I utilize some of these things myself. [Not judging].
I don't have a degree in anything except for hard knocks and Im sure most of you are smart folks. Just throwing this out there.

1. Better scopes, optics, range finders and thermal optics.
2. Better and more accurate calibers and rifle.
3. Scopes on Muzzleloaders in some States. [Not Nevada]
4. Better archery equipment. Bows, sights, arrows and such.
5. More athletic guys and gals getting into the field. [maybe]
6. Shows and videos popularizing/commercializing the "sport" if you will. Also FB, Instagram and such.
7. Guides and Outfitters with good marketing. [Good reputations as well]
8. People with a lot of money that will pay big money for a tag.
9. Trail Cams use on public land and desert states.
10. Google, ONX and e scouting
11. Predators.
12. CWD and EHD.
13. Habitat loss and things like cheatgrass.
14. Drought.
15. More and more SXS use off road and new trails.
16. Extended and shoulder seasons. [Hunting from August to December with all forms of take, Archery , ML and Rifle]
17. More Elk pushing Deer out. [Maybe]
18. More people Applying for tags.
19. Winter Kill on bad years.
20. Points being passed on to others. [Not sure on this one].
21. Maybe people selling locations of game they have located.
22. Shed Hunting becoming more popular.
23. Having family and friends along [posse] along for that special tag.
24. Better overall equipment that keep folks in the field longer.
25. Auction Tags. I suppose that would fall under #8.
26. Poaching
27. Use of communication devices while in pursuit of Deer/game
28. Roadkill
29. Loss of Migration. That may go with #13
30. Fences
31. Improper range management.
32. Wild horse population
33. Drone use
34. Spotlighting during Hunting season
35. Baiting


Feel free to add anything you may think of.
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20 and 21 might get you banned here...
 
SS! said:
You want to fix mule deer and hunting as a whole? It’s time to start requiring vasectomies of all Utah men once they hit hunting age. But no one wants to have those “hard” talks. Stop beating around the bush. The less utards the better the hunting etc will be. No more flat brim hats. No more people calling animals “studs”. No more posse pics. No more selling bucks to the highest bidder. All the states could get get rid of their shed seasons.

It’s no coincidence that as the utard population has went up the mule deer population has went down. And not only in Utah but every state that touches it.

But no one wants to talk about the flat brimmed sxs driving elephant in the room….
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I've studied this problem for several years and have come up with 2 solutions that have been completely missed by everyone, but since I'm from Utah I'll keep my mouth shut.
 
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hornsrus said:
I've studied this problem for several years and have come up with 2 solutions that have been completely missed by everyone, but since I'm from Utah I'll keep my mouth shut.
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Enlighten us.
PM me if you would rather avoid critism, I'd like to hear your points.
 
It’s obvious @hornsrus has seen gay bucks and does. Times are changing. Not all the does are getting bred. The times of what’s best for the herd are gone. It’s all about the individual. Gay deer. That’s our problem. ? ?
 
Nevada Division of Wildlife is talking about a coyote bounty to help our deer herds. Utah already has it in place. What do you guys think, does it help?

Elkassasincat, im still voting for you for President. Fatrooster
 
fatrooster said:
Nevada Division of Wildlife is talking about a coyote bounty to help our deer herds. Utah already has it in place. What do you guys think, does it help?

Elkassasincat, im still voting for you for President. Fatrooster
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I honestly feel it has helped. The deer herd did seem to be rebounding until the drought hit hard 3 years ago. Personal observation only.

But.... I will tell you it has 100% done wonders for our pronghorn population at least up here in the northeast part of the state. Seeing more goats now then I have seen since I was a kid. I feel the bounty and the extra pressure it's put on the coyote's has been a big part of the goat rebound.

Coyote hunting is tough. But they are still around. I'm still trying to do my part, got this ol'gal this week, my first of the season.
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Hey Banty!

Thinning Coyotes always Helps!

But Since The Bounty Started They are 10 Times Smarter Now!

Poison is the Only Real Fix but We Might Kill Some F'N Magpies doing that!







fatrooster said:
Nevada Division of Wildlife is talking about a coyote bounty to help our deer herds. Utah already has it in place. What do you guys think, does it help?

Elkassasincat, im still voting for you for President. Fatrooster
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utards could kill off every predator in the state and they would still blame predators.

There’s no bigger d bag move out there than to kill something and not utilize it. I guess that’s why guys think they are saving fawns etc to justify it. We’ve all been guilty of it.
 
SS! said:
utards could kill off every predator in the state and they would still blame predators.

There’s no bigger d bag move out there than to kill something and not utilize it. I guess that’s why guys think they are saving fawns etc to justify it. We’ve all been guilty of it.
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garbage like this always cracks me up "ooh your wasting the poor wittle coyote for nothing :cry: "

you utilize very part of the rat you catch in a trap? interesting how the value of an animals life seems to increase with its size. theirs lots a rats and lots a yotes. ive been out two mornings calling and got 6 on the ground so far. just getting started
 
Can we add banning thermal imaging equipment for both day and night time use? I watched an outfitter on the pahvant during the general deer hunt scanning the canyon during daylight hours. Why is nobody talking about this type of activity taking place? Such a shame that this is where we as hunters have started heading. I guess when an animal brings in a big enough check, “sportsman” will do whatever it takes to find and harvest the animal.
 
Hunter81 said:
Can we add banning thermal imaging equipment for both day and night time use? I watched an outfitter on the pahvant during the general deer hunt scanning the canyon during daylight hours. Why is nobody talking about this type of activity taking place? Such a shame that this is where we as hunters have started heading. I guess when an animal brings in a big enough check, “sportsman” will do whatever it takes to find and harvest the animal.
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FYI that is on the #1 line
 
fatrooster said:
Nevada Division of Wildlife is talking about a coyote bounty to help our deer herds. Utah already has it in place. What do you guys think, does it help?

Elkassasincat, im still voting for you for President. Fatrooster
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The way they are killing them on the Henry's, yes it helps, but needs to happen everywhere.
Recreational killers aren't even touching them.
 
Tikka said:
My adds...
HUSH
Randy Newberg "that will touch a nerve"
Born and Raised
Tines Up
FINDERS FEES ON ANIMALS!!!!
Meat Eater
BHA
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How exactly BHA?

They get blamed for a lot of stupid chit, but this one I'm scratching my head over
 
slamdunk said:
The way they are killing them on the Henry's, yes it helps, but needs to happen everywhere.
Recreational killers aren't even touching them.
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They killing them from planes? I do agree that recreational hunting doesn’t likely do much. I may kill 30-50 a winter. Some guys kill more then that but not a big percentage of coyote hunters do. Most are pretty novice , get a call for Christmas and if they get 5-10 it’s a good winter. And that’s cool but isn’t really population control.

For the record, I don’t coyote hunt to control the population or help the deer. I just love hunting them. Any good side affects from it are just gravy
 
JPickett said:
They killing them from planes? I do agree that recreational hunting doesn’t likely do much. I may kill 30-50 a winter. Some guys kill more then that but not a big percentage of coyote hunters do. Most are pretty novice , get a call for Christmas and if they get 5-10 it’s a good winter. And that’s cool but isn’t really population control.

For the record, I don’t coyote hunt to control the population or help the deer. I just love hunting them. Any good side affects from it are just gravy
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Yes, they kill them from choppers.
 
I might as well add this to all the mule deer decline posts. Here is the first part of the article:

www.partnersinthesage.com

Cheating the Sage — Partners in the Sage

Cheatgrass and other invasive grasses loom as a major threat to mule deer sagebrush habitat. Now is the time for hunters and land managers to act!
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Cheating the Sage​

Cheatgrass and other invasive grasses loom as a major threat to mule deer sagebrush habitat. Now is the time for hunters and land managers to act!​

The following article is written by Hannah Nikonow and was originally published in the September/October issue of the Mule Deer Foundation Journal. It is republished here with permission.
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Click here to read this full article from the Mule Deer Foundation Journal’s 2019 September/October issue.
Many experts are now citing the number one threat to mule deer in many parts of the West isn’t carnivores, development, or disease. Rather, it’s a tiny little plant, thinner than a toothpick and much more delicate, but very tenacious. You probably have heard of cheatgrass by now, maybe even felt its seeds dig into your ankles while hunting in sagebrush country. This wimpy-looking exotic grass from Eurasia doesn’t look like much of a threat, at least at first glance, to the mule deer we pursue each autumn. But make no mistake, this invasive grass packs a nasty punch to sagebrush habitat.

The Fire & Invasives Cycle: It’s Vicious​

Mule deer rely on sagebrush landscapes for much of their lives, and especially in the winter. The problem is that vast swaths of this habitat are going up in smoke every year with wildfires that are increasingly devastating in their size, frequency, and intensity. This is due in large part to a vicious cycle of fires burning slow-growing sagebrush, followed by quick-growing invasive grasses filling in the void. This can then result in the landscape reburning on those tinder-dry fine fuels, making an area much more susceptible to more fire and facilitating the spread of more cheatgrass and, over time, the elimination of the sagebrush.
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“All of our mule deer herds have been impacted by fire and invasives,” said Cody Schroeder, Mule Deer Staff Biologist for the Nevada Department of Wildlife. “Cheatgrass literally cheats native plants out of water and space to grow. It is an invasive grass that is so well-adapted to fill in post-fire and has very little nutritional value.”
Often after a fire in their winter range, mule deer show up in that fire scar and stay there until they starve, competing with each other for the small islands of remaining unburned vegetation, said Schroeder
 
Thankyou Jims, very informative. Im all for scratching other projects and start planting plants that deer can eat on the winter range. For example, we could scratch the highly expensive netting of deer from helicopter the put gps neck bans on deer. Great information about migration from neck bans but deer food I feel is more important. The deer will still migrat like they have for centuries. Thats just one idea and example of how money can be better spent. Fatrooster
 
JPickett said:
garbage like this always cracks me up "ooh your wasting the poor wittle coyote for nothing :cry: "

you utilize very part of the rat you catch in a trap? interesting how the value of an animals life seems to increase with its size. theirs lots a rats and lots a yotes. ive been out two mornings calling and got 6 on the ground so far. just getting started
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I get where you’re coming from but your analogy isn’t comparable and is weak at best. Is that the best comparison you can do? A rat that is doing damage to your home vs you going out and shooting a coyote? Come up with a better one than that.

Would you shoot a deer and not take the meat if it was legal? What’s your thoughts on that?

Show respect for all animals (except utards). Hopefully one day soon as a society we can get laws in place to limit the harvest of coyotes to when their fur is prime. Some places it’s already happened. Get rid of the shameful coyote contests too. Those are no benefit to anyone besides the d bags who participate.

Shooting a coyote thinking you’re actually helping a deer is the biggest joke out there. You can do more for wildlife by keeping your thermostat at 62 and wearing a sweater in your home in December.
 
SS! said:
I get where you’re coming from but your analogy isn’t comparable and is weak at best. Is that the best comparison you can do? A rat that is doing damage to your home vs you going out and shooting a coyote? Come up with a better one than that.

Would you shoot a deer and not take the meat if it was legal? What’s your thoughts on that?

Show respect for all animals (except utards). Hopefully one day soon as a society we can get laws in place to limit the harvest of coyotes to when their fur is prime. Some places it’s already happened. Get rid of the shameful coyote contests too. Those are no benefit to anyone besides the d bags who participate.

Shooting a coyote thinking you’re actually helping a deer is the biggest joke out there. You can do more for wildlife by keeping your thermostat at 62 and wearing a sweater in your home in December.
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An animals life loses value if it damages your home. Got it.but wait, weren’t they there first?! You monster, burn your house down now in the name of environmentalists!!!

I do abide by regulations for coyotes. Example, Idaho you need a hunting license so I buy one. Nevada you don’t so I don’t buy one. Also abide by deer regulations. All on the up and up. Ask fish and game and they’ll tell you there very content with people shooting coyotes
 
JPickett said:
An animals life loses value if it damages your home. Got it.but wait, weren’t they there first?! You monster, burn your house down now in the name of environmentalists!!!

I do abide by regulations for coyotes. Example, Idaho you need a hunting license so I buy one. Nevada you don’t so I don’t buy one. Also abide by deer regulations. All on the up and up. Ask fish and game and they’ll tell you there very content with people shooting coyotes
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I have no doubt you abide by the regulations. It’s not about that. Would you shoot coyotes in July if it was required to skin them out? I know these simple questions are easy for you to dodge.

If someone went around killing deer and elk and leaving them to rot to protect native plants wouldn’t you get upset? It’s the same reasoning coyote shooters use to justify being a d bag.

We all do stupid **** in our youth, most grow out of it. Killing coyotes, prairie dogs, jackrabbits etc is something most grow out of.

Don’t drink the kool aid. Coyotes are fascinating animals. Let them live. If you’re going to shoot them take the pelt at the very least. Don’t be a POS that shoots an animal just to shoot it and let it rot…
 
What is the Alaska regulations on brown bear meat? You working to change that? Seems wasteful. No real man would shoot a brown bear
 
JPickett said:
What is the Alaska regulations on brown bear meat? You working to change that? Seems wasteful. No real man would shoot a brown bear
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Alaska you have to take the hide skull and claws. What do you legally have to take off a coyote? Again you’re comparing apples to oranges.

I’ve ate grizzly. It’s not bad. Eating grizzlies is becoming more and more popular. The tide is changing. It’s exciting. But I do agree with you a man doesn’t shoot a bear and leave it to waste.

Have a great evening,
 
JPickett said:
And I’m sure lotsa guys are eating grizzly and brown bear :rolleyes:
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Never said a lot. You’re reading comprehension is on par for most the guys on the site.

Go back to shooting 7 month old coyote pups d bag.
 
Your the Alaska super hunter right? You pack out all that bear meat of the brown bear picture you posted on here?
 
JPickett said:
Your the Alaska super hunter right? You pack out all that bear meat of the brown bear picture you posted on here?
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You ask questions but you don’t answer them. Don’t be jealous of the adventures.

But for the record the packs were heavy going back to camp.
 
Yeah I’m sure, bet all your super hunter buddies pack out all that bear meat too.

Forget I grew up in Alaska ( your an immigrant there right) that meat stays on the hill. Just seeing how big of a hypocrite you actually are.

Come on man! End the waste! End bear hunting waste #bearlivesmatter!!

You’re a joke
 
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Sublette County, Wyoming has started a progressive and proactive cheatgrass control program. The above map shows an example of what can be done to improve critical mule deer and sage grouse habitat.
 
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SS, you know shooting coyotes often does a favor for all the other animals in the area, including other coyotes. Sometimes it even does a favor for the coyote you shoot. The above image is a coyote I shot about a week ago. I didn’t skin it. I feel better that it had a quick humane death instead of freezing to death this winter. Nature is brutal. Dispatching coyotes is much less brutal than the way natural death comes to animals in the wild or the way many people die in a hospital.
 
A bunch of ridiculous fighting and name calling. It’ll get you all gone, so please end it.
 
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