CWD Slaughter begins, TOLD YOU SO.

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Makes PERFECT sense for the Idiots running F&G lets kill 1000 more deer just to see IF IF IF any of those killed have CWD.. Why not use the $100 s of thousands of $$ already set a side from lisc & tag sales & run some into nets check & release the ones that are Negative ?? Hell lets save that plan for when they cant figure out Why a herd in a certain unit has gone to Sheet !!
 
The CDC has a good write up on this on their website. Scary stuff for wildlife just a matter of time before we get a mutated version for humans.
 
Makes PERFECT sense for the Idiots running F&G lets kill 1000 more deer just to see IF IF IF any of those killed have CWD.. Why not use the $100 s of thousands of $$ already set a side from lisc & tag sales & run some into nets check & release the ones that are Negative ?? Hell lets save that plan for when they cant figure out Why a herd in a certain unit has gone to Sheet !!
There is no LIVE test for CWD. It can't be cured & is always fatal. The worst of it is the prions that cause it are very hardy, able to survive boiling & disinfectants. That's why feed sites are so bad for wildlife; the prions last seemingly forever in the soil at the site.
 
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I'm not sure I agree that CWD is always fatal. From what I've seen and heard there are a lot of deer that are carriers of CWD that don't show any sign of being sick and are very healthy and don't die from CWD?
 
CWD has been in Colorado since the 60’s
I’ve been eating deer since the 60’s
I’m still alive after literally eating meat from probably 100 different deer or more.
Nobody I’ve ever known has ever got sick
They say it’s 100% mortal to deer but how can they prove that if there is no way to test for it in live deer?
 
I'm not sure I agree that CWD is always fatal. From what I've seen and heard there are a lot of deer that are carriers of CWD that don't show any sign of being sick and are very healthy and don't die from CWD?
As yet, there is no reliable test for live deer ! So what you "seen & heard" makes no sense & is impossible to know. :rolleyes:
 
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I’d question how fatal it is for deer. Do they die within months of contracting it or years. Maybe that data is out there I just haven’t seen it. I’d think that would make a huge difference on how pro active you’d need to be about fighting it.
 
CWD has been in Colorado since the 60’s
I’ve been eating deer since the 60’s
I’m still alive after literally eating meat from probably 100 different deer or more.
Nobody I’ve ever known has ever got sick
They say it’s 100% mortal to deer but how can they prove that if there is no way to test for it in live deer?
I will answer my own question I guess
Because 100% of the deer that died from CWD tested positive DUH!
 
I’d question how fatal it is for deer. Do they die within months of contracting it or years. Maybe that data is out there I just haven’t seen it. I’d think that would make a huge difference on how pro active you’d need to be about fighting it.
I've been writing about CWD for 30+ yrs. Lots of research stuff out there.

The only thing they really know right now is that most die within 6 months to a year of first showing signs, i.e. usually losing weight to a point of looking emaciated. But the incubation time before that can be as much as 2 yrs.
 
Incubation period in infected cervids can run up to two years give or take. A deer may or may not look sick. You have no idea it has it but any infected deer can infect others without knowing it.

The prions in CWD can also last in the environment a long time. Plants and soil are affected. Most high fenced games farms are shut down and double fenced once CWD becomes an issue and they cannot be used for years.

CWD has not been known to cross over to humans to date but it has been proven to cross over to monkeys in a study, which is concerning.

I have eaten alot of venison over the last 45+ years but lately if where I hunt has been confirmed with CWD, I get it tested before I do.
 
There are a lot of healthy deer that hunters shoot each and every year that are diagnosed with cwd. It’s obvious all of these show no symptoms of being sick before being shot or you would hear otherwise. It’s impossible to say whether these deer would die of cwd or are merely carriers and live healthy lives if they weren’t shot. They show no sign of being sick before being shot. My guess is they are just carriers of cwd and won’t die from cwd. Your comment that all deer that have cwd is fatal is false because this is unknown.

Outdoor writer, how much time do you spend looking at deer each day in cwd hotspot areas and how many sick deer have you seen? I spend hours upon hours each day at work in one of the hottest cwd spots in the entire nation and have only seen 1 deer with cwd symptoms in over 15 years. I spend hours each week monitoring deer in these hotspot areas.

I’m sure with thousands of hunters and outdoorsman being in the field that there would be sightings of sick deer in cwd high concentration areas but you hardly ever hear about them! I have no concern what so ever that cwd is going to wipe out our deer herd. The coyotes and other predators kill the very few that are truly sick. Unless proven I believe the remaining carriers of cwd will live healthy lives.
 
That’s makes it seem like monitoring herd health would be much better than harvesting this many animals just to check and see.
 
Outdoor writer, sorry if I sounded heated in my last post. As you can tell this subject really hit home with me. Living in a CWD hot-bed in Colo since it's onset I've witnessed pretty much everything from the mass harvesting of mule deer when it was first discovered to years and years of low to almost non-existent deer after these mass shootings. CWD is in similar % of the deer today as it was when it first was discovered. Deer numbers have slowly recovered until the past couple years when the CPW increased tags.

The unfortunate thing is that CWD is spread to just about every corner of Colorado and there is the possibility that it will never disappear. Is it really worth slaughter thousands of deer or possibly let predators kill and eat the few sick deer that exist? I thought the CPW had dismissed CWD as a fatal disease that was going to wipe out our deer in Colo until recently when they used CWD as an excuse to increase tag numbers with later rifle season dates to harvest more deer...in particular mature bucks.

As mentioned in several posts, the CWD prions aren't going to disappear. Is it really worth slaughtering thousands of deer or let mother nature take it's course with the few CWD deer that exist? I would really be interested in knowing if CWD is truly fatal to every deer that has it or are they just carriers? From what I see it isn't fatal and CWD is not increasing at an alarming rate even in the hot spot areas.
 
Makes me wonder if prion transmission is a bunch of b.s. Alzheimers is a prion disease and last I checked is not contagious. Germ theory is still a highly debatable science...but I'm no scientist.

I do think 2 deer "testing positive" is highly suspect "scientific evidence" to implement a slaughter. F & G biologists are historically suspect themselves. *reintroduce wolves*, "oops, they multiplied, lets slaughter them from helicopters, *pour rotenone into a lake* (to kill brookies cuz we hate brookies...for some reason), "oops, we killed off 7 miles of the Salmon River and damn near a Chinook hatchery (early 90's...I was working on it).

I wonder how many poor suckers bought muley tags in those areas for next year. Glad the tag I bought isn't anywhere near it.

From all anecdotal evidence I've heard, eating deer with CWD has NEVER caused a problem. Stop all the bullshit that supposedly causes it (game farms, etc...) and leave the damn deer alone.
 
I would really be interested in knowing if CWD is truly fatal to every deer that has it or are they just carriers? From what I see it isn't fatal and CWD is not increasing at an alarming rate even in the hot spot areas.
It's probably like HIV or herpes in humans. Tons of people are HIV "positive" and will never get sick even without medicine and like 90+% have herpes living in them.
 
Makes me wonder if prion transmission is a bunch of b.s. Alzheimers is a prion disease and last I checked is not contagious. Germ theory is still a highly debatable science...but I'm no scientist.

I do think 2 deer "testing positive" is highly suspect "scientific evidence" to implement a slaughter. F & G biologists are historically suspect themselves. *reintroduce wolves*, "oops, they multiplied, lets slaughter them from helicopters, *pour rotenone into a lake* (to kill brookies cuz we hate brookies...for some reason), "oops, we killed off 7 miles of the Salmon River and damn near a Chinook hatchery (early 90's...I was working on it).

I wonder how many poor suckers bought muley tags in those areas for next year. Glad the tag I bought isn't anywhere near it.

From all anecdotal evidence I've heard, eating deer with CWD has NEVER caused a problem. Stop all the bullshit that supposedly causes it (game farms, etc...) and leave the damn deer alone.
Alzheimer's is NOT a prion disease! Seriously...
 
There are a lot of healthy deer that hunters shoot each and every year that are diagnosed with cwd. It’s obvious all of these show no symptoms of being sick before being shot or you would hear otherwise. It’s impossible to say whether these deer would die of cwd or are merely carriers and live healthy lives if they weren’t shot. They show no sign of being sick before being shot. My guess is they are just carriers of cwd and won’t die from cwd. Your comment that all deer that have cwd is fatal is false because this is unknown.

Outdoor writer, how much time do you spend looking at deer each day in cwd hotspot areas and how many sick deer have you seen? I spend hours upon hours each day at work in one of the hottest cwd spots in the entire nation and have only seen 1 deer with cwd symptoms in over 15 years. I spend hours each week monitoring deer in these hotspot areas.

I’m sure with thousands of hunters and outdoorsman being in the field that there would be sightings of sick deer in cwd high concentration areas but you hardly ever hear about them! I have no concern what so ever that cwd is going to wipe out our deer herd. The coyotes and other predators kill the very few that are truly sick. Unless proven I believe the remaining carriers of cwd will live healthy lives.
They have been studying CWD in captive wildlife at research facilities for decades. Every animal that has been infected with the disease dies. It is 100% fatal. Some animals can carry it for a while before they show clinical symptoms, but they eventually develop symptoms and die.
 

Regardless, dementia is and it's not contagious.
There are many 'prion' diseases, just as there are many unique virus & bacterium caused diseases. In humans, the closest prion disease to CWD is Creutzfeldt-Jakob, which is an off-shoot of mad cow disease. Some prion diseases such as CWD & scrappies are quite contagious, while CJ or mad cow aren't.
 
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I spent around 2 hours searching the web to find a CWD fatality field study and couldn't find any. Every report pretty much stated that CWD was fatal but I couldn't find anywhere that had any data to back this up.

One of the only articles that made a whole lot of sense on how to control CWD was this one with comments from Margaret Wild. She mentions what I've harped on all along that predators will kill the few CWD sick deer that exist.

There is no doubt in my mind that coyotes, bear, and mtn lions kill sick deer with CWD. They are extremely effective at killing the few sick animals that exist leaving the healthy to prosper. Wild actually mentions in her article that predators like wolves could possibly keep CWD levels down to almost undetectable levels.

Here's the article.


Here's some of the finer points in the article:

While working in Colorado, Wild and others used a computer model to simulate the effect of wolf predation on CWD.
“We showed hunting can help keep the prevalence of chronic wasting disease somewhat in check, but selective removal of deer by a coursing predator like a wolf actually really brought the prevalence of chronic wasting disease down in these populations and got it down to almost undetectable levels.”

Wild emphasized the work wasn’t a field study but rather computer modeling. Nonetheless, she believes healthy wolf numbers in areas with CWD can be a critical tool.
Wolves test their prey by chasing and, when available, show preference for deer and elk that are ill or injured.
Chronic wasting disease is caused by misfolded proteins known as prions. It can take a year or two for an animal to die from the disease, but all the while, the sick animals are shedding infectious prions that persist in the environment for years like disease booby traps.

“It’s not a bacteria, it’s not a virus, it’s not a parasite,” Wild said. “It’s a protein and it doesn’t degrade easily at all.”
But Wild said those that are infected are likely to have symptoms which, even in the early stages of illness, make them less wary, and less able to avoid predators, long before the disease progresses to the point of death. So wolves, by the way they hunt, are likely to single out these animals and remove them long before they would have succumbed to the illness.
“If they take them out six months or a year earlier than they would have died, it can reduce all those potential transmission events.”
Wolves and other canines are not susceptible to the illness and thus are unable to spread it.
“My suggestion would be to consider increasing tolerance for wolves in these areas, because we know they selectively remove animals that are easy targets,” she said.

I agree that wolves would be great but coyotes, bear, and mtn lion also do a great job!
 

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