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Watching these shows isn’t fun anymore. These guys act like scientists sighting in a rifle. This long range shooting is a joke. My dad, uncles and grandpa taught us to sight in at 100 yds. We’ve never had an issue. We’ve all shot animals over 300 yards, but this new stuff is a joke. You really need an app on your phone to kill a deer?
 
Watching these shows isn’t fun anymore. These guys act like scientists sighting in a rifle. This long range shooting is a joke. My dad, uncles and grandpa taught us to sight in at 100 yds. We’ve never had an issue. We’ve all shot animals over 300 yards, but this new stuff is a joke. You really need an app on your phone to kill a deer?
And 300 yards was considered long range back then. No doubt someone then was complaining about needing scopes to kill a deer, when they did it with buckhorn sights. Hunting technology has been evolving since the first caveman sharpened a stick. No one is required to use the latest and greatest stuff, nor are they required to watch the TV shows with the latest and greatest stuff.
 
And 300 yards was considered long range back then. No doubt someone then was complaining about needing scopes to kill a deer, when they did it with buckhorn sights. Hunting technology has been evolving since the first caveman sharpened a stick. No one is required to use the latest and greatest stuff, nor are they required to watch the TV shows with the latest and greatest stuff.
Don't remember cave men using AI to shoot.
 
Just more gadgets for them to sell. I like Ryan Cleckners approach to shooting. Dont need a 10 grand gun to shoot good its 90 percent the shooter behind the gun. Also learn to read every variable around you such as put the wind meter down and read the wind at all distances.
 
Just more gadgets for them to sell. I like Ryan Cleckners approach to shooting. Dont need a 10 grand gun to shoot good its 90 percent the shooter behind the gun. Also learn to read every variable around you such as put the wind meter down and read the wind at all distances.
I’ve watched a few people go full Tard when a big bull walks into their scope. It’s awful, and I felt like a fool being apart of it ?‍♂️
 
Just more gadgets for them to sell. I like Ryan Cleckners approach to shooting. Dont need a 10 grand gun to shoot good its 90 percent the shooter behind the gun. Also learn to read every variable around you such as put the wind meter down and read the wind at all distances.
Reading wind out in the mountains can't be done on a consistent basis. I don't care who you are. mtmuley
 
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You telling me a caveman would pass up a more efficient option to harvest game? That's all this is. Throughout history, hunters have used the best tech available, that will never change.

No.

I'm saying that if you pick up a history book, you can read all about where the best tech available took us.

LR is a problem. It will only get worse as the tech gets better, and cheaper. And tech ALWAYS gets better and cheaper.


The electronics, are probably the only real way to address it. If you can shoot crap at 900yrds with a hold over, I'm not sure how we stop that. But very few can. So taking the brains, and leaving the skill is about all you can do.
 
Man, you guys throw your sharp sticks if you want, but this guy just invented the atlatl and I'm switching to longer and faster myself!!!
 
"And legally allowed"

Kind of the whole point
Okay, so let's hear some policy changes that will bring our herds back. If you think outlawing turret dialing scopes will make a real difference in game numbers, I would have to disagree with you.
 
Okay, so let's hear some policy changes that will bring our herds back. If you think outlawing turret dialing scopes will make a real difference in game numbers, I would have to disagree with you.


Not the argument you made.

But how is allowing LR helping ENHANCE our herd?
 
Dumb question!
I suppose you could quit hunting and that would help?


Support tag cuts?

Read a story on the military new scope that predicted s bullet path and impact. BEFORE TRIGGER PULL.

How long until it becomes hunter ready?

They are working on GPS controlled bullets.

How long?
 
I like the tech, but we all have complained at times about the quality of our hunting experiences. If the tech makes it that much easier for a less skilled person to kill quality game, then it will only hurt the end experience in the end. If bucks can't get old, then they can't get big.

I don't know where the line should be, but there should be a line . . . .
 
I like the tech, but we all have complained at times about the quality of our hunting experiences. If the tech makes it that much easier for a less skilled person to kill quality game, then it will only hurt the end experience in the end. If bucks can't get old, then they can't get big.

I don't know where the line should be, but there should be a line . . . .
A person still needs the skill to find the mature animals. I'd rather have a big buck or bull in someone's freezer after making a clean kill than in a coyotes or birds belly because we made it to difficult for many to make a clean kill, only to wound it and suffer a slow death.
 
A person still needs the skill to find the mature animals. I'd rather have a big buck or bull in someone's freezer after making a clean kill than in a coyotes or birds belly because we made it to difficult for many to make a clean kill, only to wound it and suffer a slow death.
Takes less skill as a hunter to pound one at longer range than not. mtmuley
 
Watching these shows isn’t fun anymore. These guys act like scientists sighting in a rifle. This long range shooting is a joke. My dad, uncles and grandpa taught us to sight in at 100 yds. We’ve never had an issue. We’ve all shot animals over 300 yards, but this new stuff is a joke. You really need an app on your phone to kill a deer?
I agree, a couple of the shows are okay, most suck. The whole LR thing is a whole other can of worms. As a guy who has only hunted out west, I find the whitetail shows most unbearable.

Recently I have stopped watching all the YouTube stuff I used to enjoy. Seems like more and more folks are chasing the almighty dollar via hunting with clicks and likes and how to draw this tag or the 7 elk hunts they are going on in 2022 and it worries me about the future of hunting out west.
 
The same guys that are jealous and b!@#$ about everything is the same guys that are jealous and b!@#$ about everything.

Totally agree.

Those dudes bitching about Punt guns to shoot waterfowl, JEALOUS.

Dudes who complained about drones, JEALOUS!!

Dudes who complained about thermal, JUST ENVIOUS OF EVERYONE.

Guys that complained about lack of bag limits, or seasons, just jealous!!
 
Totally agree.

Those dudes bitching about Punt guns to shoot waterfowl, JEALOUS.

Dudes who complained about drones, JEALOUS!!

Dudes who complained about thermal, JUST ENVIOUS OF EVERYONE.

Guys that complained about lack of bag limits, or seasons, just jealous!!
With the lack of ducks I saw this year I could have totally used a punt gun!
 
I don't watch the show... Having the word 'pursuit' in their show's name is laughable. I don't watch Best of the West stuff either. Its like live animal target practice. They all go to private ranches and shoot animals at like 1000 yds. I see no appeal in that...

If you have to gauge the wind so you don't miss an animal, you should use some hunting skill and get closer... just my opinion.
 
I dunno where the LR hunters are that greatly effect mature bucks/bulls- but could imagine certain areas where that is a real thing. Areas I hunt simply do not have enough LR alley opportunities to make it a game changer. Of course, I don’t hunt private, or game farms, or whatever that these shows are based on. Honestly, the folks I’ve met in the field that do claim LR capabilities were kids or blowhards. Don’t get me wrong- I know there are folks out there who can back it up- but I think they are few and far between.

Funny- I have a turret scope on my 280AI. I’ve used it once in the last decade, at 320 yards. I would have been fine without it, but it was kinda nice to have that little assurance. I tend to use my rangefinder to rule out shots, vs holdover. In that sense, I think tech is great.

As for folks getting into hunting with all the high tech, well, I’d rather there be new hunters, even if they approach it differently than I did. I worry that they get wearied pretty quickly though- because most real-world hunting doesn’t look a dang think like those hunting shows.
 
Long range stuff gets a bad name and in most cases rightfully so. But what are you going to do. Can’t put the tooth paste back in the tube now. And how do you judge who’s good or bad for shooting long range?

I like to use myself as an example for these questions, I shoot long range and when I hunt I have that ability, though it’s not the primary goal. For me it was a natural progression. I started reloading some time ago. When you reload ( for some anyway) you want to see how good you can get a cartridge to shoot. So I worked at it. Got loads developed then wanted to see what they could do.so I started shooting farther, tweaking loads, learning how to shoot long range, read/shoot in wind, understanding ballistics and atmospheric affects. It was fun. How good could I get my rifle shooting? How good of a shooter could I become? I’m talking years here.it really was a discipline for me and a huge investment in time and money. I started way before all the tech now. That being said I have some tech that blows me away on how accurate it can be with the right amount of confirmed data. I’ve taken game at all kinds of ranges and every one I considered an ethical shot because of my abilities.This last October I killed my buck at 964 yards and never once had a doubt I wouldn’t make that shot. I hit him exactly where I was aiming and he didn’t take a step. To answer the inevitable, where I shot from was the only place I could have killed him. With the terrain by the time I “got closer “ there was no where you’d even be able to see him.

So am I an ok long ranger since I didn’t just buy it last week and put in years of work or am I just as bad?
 
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P.S, I’m also a bow hunter and have killled bears, bulls and bucks as close as 15 feet. Does that buy me any good hunter credits?
 
You don’t gauge the wind for 300-400 yards?
Folly if you don’t.
Even a wild azz guess is better than nothing.

Zeke
A "wild azz guess" is pretty much what anyone without an actual wind gauge does. That's exactly what I do.! LOL.!

Like I said, that's just me. I don't use turrets so I don't "dial for wind"... I just get closer. In my experience, stalking animals in the wind is easier anyway. I believe I'm testing my skills as a hunter more than as a sniper.

Out of curiosity- do you have a ballistics chart with you in the field Zeke? Like, if you are shooting an animal at 525yds, had a 15mph wind at a 40 degree angle, and you were shooting downward at a 20 degree angle, I can't imagine you would know your gun's ballistics off the top of your head for that... But I know that if I can cut that distance to 300 yards, all of those factors' in my shot are reduced drastically... then I take a "wild azz guess" and take my shot. :):)
 
BRage,
Thanks for the reply.

To answer a question lingering in your mind:
I ALWAYS try to get closer than "long range" (which no one has ever defined) if possible. I don't think of myself as a long ranger. I've never backed up for a shot to brag about the range. I shoot 1-2x per week which is 100 times more than the "average guy" (also, no one has ever defined what an average hunter is). I take my sweet azz time if a long(er) shot is needed and I cannot get closer. If there's not enough time to set things up perfectly, there's NOT a shot opportunity, period. I'll shoot a gong or paper at any range, from any angle, with any wind condition BUT NOT an animal. If it's not perfect, it's not right.

Yes, it sounds like I'm willing, practiced and capable of making a perfect shot at longer ranges than you are. Does that make me better or worse than you? Neither, just different than you.

Yes, I have the ability to make all those calculation you mentioned and more! There are no short-cuts and EVERYONE should take to time to perfect their craft. Sadly most don't have enough drive to shoot more than a couple times a year but still expect stellar results. Sad.

Remember, not enough time, conditions not perfect, NO SHOT. That, my friend, is how to do 300 yard+ if one must.

Zeke
 
It amazes me how much hunters vs hunters are. I am not a fan of long range but recently took the sport up at the range. Understanding additive shift, coriolis effect, air density, angles,wind ,what barrel twist can do to a bullet at 1000 yards amazes me. Understanding these variables i have become a better shot and my long range skills are increasing. The hardcore long range hunters i know shoot much better than the average guy at 300 yards or less. Plus you got the crowd thinking buying a fancy scope you are offically a long range shooter. I am not a long range hunter on big game. Every year i spot deer at long range but i enjoy the task of getting close and making a good shot. To me thats my thrill in hunting.
I know my effective range when hunting. I know what i can do at the range. Applying my long range skills to hunting doesnt apply to me.

In the end you got crappy hunters at short range. You got crappy long range hunters. You got good at short and you got good at long.

In the end a hunter needs to know what they are capable of and what they are not. This is where the problem is. Everyone thinking they can do more when they cant
 
Out of curiosity- do you have a ballistics chart with you in the field Zeke? Like, if you are shooting an animal at 525yds, had a 15mph wind at a 40 degree angle, and you were shooting downward at a 20 degree angle,
personally i always had a chart taped to the side of my gun with back up charts in the butt stock pack for differing circumstances. that always worked. now i still have those charts on me but i have a pair of Lieca's that have the whole shooting match built in. ballistics, altitude, shot angle , barometric pressure. there only as good as what you input into them but if you put the work in for the data their amazingly accurate.
 
the sniper analogy is actually a pretty good one. guys scoff at long range shooting but the military has proven for years that an understanding of ballistics and putting that understanding into practice provided repeatable results. and frankly, we have nicer guns and ammo then they use...
 
the sniper analogy is actually a pretty good one. guys scoff at long range shooting but the military has proven for years that an understanding of ballistics and putting that understanding into practice provided repeatable results. and frankly, we have nicer guns and ammo then they use...
Send it. mtmuley
 
the sniper analogy is actually a pretty good one. guys scoff at long range shooting but the military has proven for years that an understanding of ballistics and putting that understanding into practice provided repeatable results. and frankly, we have nicer guns and ammo then they use...
Had a sniper section in my platoon back in the day and after running a range they invited me to shoot a few rounds. Amazing what good dope and solid spotter can do I’m a decent shot but hitting silhouettes at 800 yards seemed pretty easy with the equipment we had. I respect that you have to know your limits physically and ballistically. Recently bought a 308, but after agonizing all the pro’s and con’s and such I don’t shoot past 500 yards so felt like it was a solid choice.
 
Long range hunters are no different than degenerate gamblers. You hear about every win but never the losses. 10mph of wind at 1000 yards equals feet of drift for any cartridge. And if you can estimate wind consistently within 50% at that range you're probably the best in the world. A 6 inch error in wind drift plus half MOA shooting is a foot of miss. I know how hard it is to find an animal gut shot at 100 yards. How come these long ranges shooters never tell stories about tracking a gut shot deer for three days? Basic probabilities would suggest this happening 20-30% of the time if you're a good shot.
 
I don't watch the show... Having the word 'pursuit' in their show's name is laughable. I don't watch Best of the West stuff either. Its like live animal target practice. They all go to private ranches and shoot animals at like 1000 yds. I see no appeal in that...

If you have to gauge the wind so you don't miss an animal, you should use some hunting skill and get closer... just my opinion.
I watched a youtube video where a kid, maybe 13 - 15 or so in age) shot an elk at over 1000 yards. His dad adjusted the scope for him and even opened the bolt to put a round in the chamber for him. The kid was a trigger puller and nothing more and warrants no sort of pat on the back or kudos to the kid.

I can appreciate someone who takes the time to develop their own load, build their own rifle and puts in range time to make a solid shot at long range.
 
Long range hunters are no different than degenerate gamblers. You hear about every win but never the losses. 10mph of wind at 1000 yards equals feet of drift for any cartridge. And if you can estimate wind consistently within 50% at that range you're probably the best in the world. A 6 inch error in wind drift plus half MOA shooting is a foot of miss. I know how hard it is to find an animal gut shot at 100 yards. How come these long ranges shooters never tell stories about tracking a gut shot deer for three days? Basic probabilities would suggest this happening 20-30% of the time if you're a good shot.
Never happened to me. But I wouldn’t take a 1000 shot with 10mph wind in game either
 
I doubt many cross canyon shot locations get walked to to check....so clear consciousness exists.....
 
I doubt many cross canyon shot locations get walked to to check....so clear consciousness exists.....
Some, I’d assume you’re maybe right but you’re assuming a lot too.

Also Idahomuley is making some wild-ass assumptions about his made-up 20-30% gut-shot rate.

Lots of assumptions and lots of people who can’t shoot far (whatever that is) assume no one can and assume people don’t show restraint with what shots they take.

Like I say, those who assume people are not honest, are actually not trustworthy themselves.

Zeke
 
I still think it’s funny that long range shooting is so overwhelmingly dismissed as immoral. Again, our military has proven for decades longer then any of the last few years of tech has been available, that solid ballistic understanding and implementation can produce repeatable and dependable results.

Why is it so hard to accept that this is obtainable? They haven’t been using some secret extra terrestrial tech magic. It’s actually relatively simple math and just takes a dedication of time, money and mastery of a skill. Maybe if there’s something you can’t do it must be bad? I don’t know. Like I said, never gut shot an animal at “long” range. Passed up on a lot of shots that weren’t right, taken a lot that were
 
I still think it’s funny that long range shooting is so overwhelmingly dismissed as immoral. Again, our military has proven for decades longer then any of the last few years of tech has been available, that solid ballistic understanding and implementation can produce repeatable and dependable results.

Why is it so hard to accept that this is obtainable? They haven’t been using some secret extra terrestrial tech magic. It’s actually relatively simple math and just takes a dedication of time, money and mastery of a skill. Maybe if there’s something you can’t do it must be bad? I don’t know. Like I said, never gut shot an animal at “long” range. Passed up on a lot of shots that weren’t right, taken a lot that were
Fricken badass. mtmuley
 
Some, I’d assume you’re maybe right but you’re assuming a lot too.

Also Idahomuley is making some wild-ass assumptions about his made-up 20-30% gut-shot rate.

Lots of assumptions and lots of people who can’t shoot far (whatever that is) assume no one can and assume people don’t show restraint with what shots they take.

Like I say, those who assume people are not honest, are actually not trustworthy themselves.

Zeke
that's a little rough Zeke.......no doubt you walk to check but have you not witnessed the flinging going on???...get real....I have
 
Fricken badass. mtmuley
Not sure about that. But it’s pretty fun if you actually know how to do it. I understand that not everyone can and that makes them feel a need to degrade those who do. I also know there’s a lot, probably a majority who have no business even trying.
 
Some, I’d assume you’re maybe right but you’re assuming a lot too.

Also Idahomuley is making some wild-ass assumptions about his made-up 20-30% gut-shot rate.

Lots of assumptions and lots of people who can’t shoot far (whatever that is) assume no one can and assume people don’t show restraint with what shots they take.

Like I say, those who assume people are not honest, are actually not trustworthy themselves.

Zeke

I have seen more road hunters do damage at a crappy 150 yard shot. Most are to fat and lazy to go check their shot.

As i said before good and bads on both sides of the table.

I use to be against the long range shooters. Until you sit down and learn the methods and techniques their is some damn good shooters out there.
 
Not sure about that. But it’s pretty fun if you actually know how to do it. I understand that not everyone can and that makes them feel a need to degrade those who do. I also know there’s a lot, probably a majority who have no business even trying.
I know how to do it. Started in 1999. Steel can't hide from me. mtmuley
 
I will agree: Slobs will be slobs regardless of the price of their toys. They’re in all walks of life.

nfh summed up exactly what I’ve seen over the years. The guys blasting away are NOT the guys who deliberately set up perfectly for the shot. Are there slobs among those ranks? I’m sure there are but have not seen them and one might say I hunt a little bit.

Just please don’t lump everyone in the same Pooh heap.

Zeke
 
7 years ago I was taking my oldest son to a vantage point where he could maybe see some elk. We crested a ridge and saw a couple cows and three spikes break out of some trees. I was gonna drive to get him closer (handicapped by field of vision) with the hopes that one of the cows (he had a shoot from vehicle permit) would stay still long enough.

It wasn't to be. Three fellas piled out of a truck and started blasting away. 32 shots from 6-900 yards. Not one drop of blood, I checked. I went to see the spent brass and then lased the last time I saw the elk.

They didn't see an animal fall, so they went on down the road.
 
Some, I’d assume you’re maybe right but you’re assuming a lot too.

Also Idahomuley is making some wild-ass assumptions about his made-up 20-30% gut-shot rate.

Lots of assumptions and lots of people who can’t shoot far (whatever that is) assume no one can and assume people don’t show restraint with what shots they take.

Like I say, those who assume people are not honest, are actually not trustworthy themselves.

Zeke
I have a 1500 yard range at my house. And I shoot that far and everything in between. I'm not great and I'm not horrible, but I have some half MOA guns that I can shoot half MOA and I know how variable POI is at 1000 yards for a good shooter. If you're shooting regularly at these distances you will wound and lose animals, it's an inevitability.
 
I still think it’s funny that long range shooting is so overwhelmingly dismissed as immoral. Again, our military has proven for decades longer then any of the last few years of tech has been available, that solid ballistic understanding and implementation can produce repeatable and dependable results.

Why is it so hard to accept that this is obtainable? They haven’t been using some secret extra terrestrial tech magic. It’s actually relatively simple math and just takes a dedication of time, money and mastery of a skill. Maybe if there’s something you can’t do it must be bad? I don’t know. Like I said, never gut shot an animal at “long” range. Passed up on a lot of shots that weren’t right, taken a lot that were
What do I care if I take a 1700 yard shot at Afghani and he dies in a mud hut from sepsis 3 days later? As I said before, I've seen bad shots at close and deer and elk can go a long way. And a 12" miss at 1000 yards is not a bad shot, but it will miss the vitals of most game. So would you even know if you hit a deer in the guts at 1000 yards? Or would you just say "well I must have missed"?
 
I've never hunted anywhere I could shoot 1000 yards where the wind wasn't blowing at least 10mph. Thats a light thermal.
It’s rare for sure. This last year was the first time the situation presented itself for me. Dead calm mid/late morning with very light to no thermal draft. It really was a perfect scenario. I’m not trying to sound like a “bad ass” like mtmuley is trying to suggest but I’ve done a lot of this. That’s just why I’m continue to say it can be done. Not that everyone can do it
 
What do I care if I take a 1700 yard shot at Afghani and he dies in a mud hut from sepsis 3 days later? As I said before, I've seen bad shots at close and deer and elk can go a long way. And a 12" miss at 1000 yards is not a bad shot, but it will miss the vitals of most game. So would you even know if you hit a deer in the guts at 1000 yards? Or would you just say "well I must have missed"?
I’ve never not walked to a shot I’ve taken. Why wouldn’t I? But again, I’ve not taken a shot I thought I was going to miss so I haven’t. I’m sure you’ll call bs, that’s fine I’ve stated on here more then once I could care less what a stranger believes about me. But if there is a shot I think I’m going to miss it doesn’t get taken
 
that's a little rough Zeke.......no doubt you walk to check but have you not witnessed the flinging going on???...get real....I have
Took a buddy to the flat tops for 1st rifle a couple years ago. Sadly the flinging is real… and super common. Even found a dead cow that had been shot in the rear quarter. I know there are definitely some shooters on this forum, but all you have to do is go out during any OTC hunts and seeing guys shoot (fire volleys) into herds at 700 plus yards is all too common
 
I’ve never not walked to a shot I’ve taken. Why wouldn’t I? But again, I’ve not taken a shot I thought I was going to miss so I haven’t. I’m sure you’ll call bs, that’s fine I’ve stated on here more then once I could care less what a stranger believes about me. But if there is a shot I think I’m going to miss it doesn’t get taken
Not trying to beat you up personally. I'm sure you do think thru your shots. Just pointing out I've never seen anyone(not calling you out) post about the 900 yard gut shot they never found. Logic and experience would dictate that it is happening more than never.
 
This last October I killed my buck at 964 yards and never once had a doubt I wouldn’t make that shot. I hit him exactly where I was aiming and he didn’t take a step.

I’ve always thought of 400-500 as long range. 964 yards is the most amazing shot distance I've ever heard of. That got me to wondering what factors you had to consider to be confident in making the shot. Based on 160gr bullet at 3100 fps with a high BC, I calculated some of those factors:

At that range, the Coriolis/Eotvos effect is very real. The bullet will be over 3 inches off, either up or down, left or right in some combination (assuming the deer was in the western US somewhere).

Wind drift- the difference between drift at 5 mph wind vs 7 mph wind is 18 inches. That’s assuming the wind is consistent across the 964 yards.

A 10 degree incline or decline in shooting angle changes holdover by 4 inches.

The bullet's spin drift at 964 yards is about 8 inches.

A typical day’s temperature and humidity change of 20 degrees and 30% would produce an air density impact of 8” holdover.

Assuming 0.5 MOA, in perfect bench shooting conditions, that’s a 5 inch group.

At 964 yards, the bullet is dropping 0.8 inches per yard. The rangefinder accuracy and your hold were critical.

It took the bullet about 1.3 seconds to travel that distance. You were confident the deer wouldn't take a step or two forward.

I'm not a long-range shooter- I might have missed something you had to consider?

Congrats on an amazing shot...
 
hikehunt,

deer was standing still broad side with his rear foot in his ear scratching for like 10 minutes. im shooting a 210 gr Berger at 3000fps. drop was right around 17'. i think 16'9". angel was compensated for by a set of lieca 3200.coms that as ive stated i b\put a lot of work and practice into confirmation. wind for this spot was a true anomaly. ive hunted this exact drainage for years and i can honestly say that morning was the only day ive been in there with zero wind. i mean almost nothing.

i actually sat and watched the deer for about 20 minutes thinking if i even wanted to set up for the shot. as i watched the conditions began to be apparent that it was indeed a makabale shot. i read wind at my location and watched/read wind not only on the face he was on but the ridge between us. so i had a few points of reference, based on my experience and practice i decided to set up. but still hadn't made my mind up to shoot.

took my time getting a perfect prone rest. if the deer didn't stick around for that well then i guess i wasn't shooting any way. but he did. so once set up i re ranged, got back in the spotter, re read conditions and made my judgment that i could take the shot. once back prone i dry fired on him twice. confirmed i had a good rest and shooting position. checked my dope one last time. took my breathes waited until fully settled into the shot and gentle squeezed my hand closed. i know it sounds like bragging but i hit him right in the top quarter of the heart. i was aiming just above where his heart was for a high shoulder hold. it wasn't luck, it was a culmination of a lot of work. if anything in that scenario would have changed or not been 100% right as i saw it i would have clicked the safety back on. but that's me

shot did take over a second to get to him and he went straight down. not even a step. took me however a little over an hour to get to him. all in all it was pretty cool
 
This has been a great discussion and I love the passion and civility that we’ve enjoyed.

I cannot dispute the claims people have made on this thread so I’m sure they really happened.

I’ve found a discussion goes much better if I don’t call “BS” on anything. Maybe I’m too far from people to see this act happening at long range (the wild-azz volley) but I’ve seen it from the road a time or two at ranges akin to <300 yards.

Like I said, I’ve taken my sweet time and canyon/prairie jumped a few times but it’s not the norm but I do believe in perfecting my craft and I flat out enjoy shooting….so I do it all the time unless I’m hunting.

I do NOT think LR is for everyone since I hate the buy it, dial it and send it mentality.

I’ve had shots at under 300 that I wouldn’t take because of the conditions ( most recent was a damn good aoudad in NM and it’s still painful but not as painful as if I’d have wounded it) but I’ve also had a few+ well beyond that when I knew things were right and got the job done with zero issues.

It all come back to self-restraint, ethics and a solid foundation of shooting (of which, admittedly some don’t have)

Zeke
 
I miss the days when the high country had huge bucks everywhere because no-one could kill them. Back then, people were accurate to 300 yards max if they were good. Sure some were better than others. Saw my Dad struggle many times trying to close the distance as a kid in our blue jeans. Now the aspen country holds larger bucks because people can’t see them at distance.

I would support a ban on all battery powered gadgets. I also recognize that I am part of the LR problem. I would gladly revert to 80s style hunting over the current craze in hunting technology. This would make drawing tags easier because less people would be successful. A few warrior bucks would also die if old age.
 
Banning range finders is the best plan you could put together for record amounts of deer and elk to be wounded, die, and never be recovered. Yeah, that will bump those herd numbers up when guys are shooting 3-4 a year and recovering one..
 
Banning range finders is the best plan you could put together for record amounts of deer and elk to be wounded, die, and never be recovered. Yeah, that will bump those herd numbers up when guys are shooting 3-4 a year and recovering one..
Missing by a little is way worse than missing by a lot.
 
I still think it’s funny that long range shooting is so overwhelmingly dismissed as immoral. Again, our military has proven for decades longer then any of the last few years of tech has been available, that solid ballistic understanding and implementation can produce repeatable and dependable results.

Why is it so hard to accept that this is obtainable? They haven’t been using some secret extra terrestrial tech magic. It’s actually relatively simple math and just takes a dedication of time, money and mastery of a skill. Maybe if there’s something you can’t do it must be bad? I don’t know. Like I said, never gut shot an animal at “long” range. Passed up on a lot of shots that weren’t right, taken a lot that were
I think my comment about a sniper has misled a little... I am 100% grateful for the ability for a member of our military to reach out to a mile and kill a terrorist. I'm thankful for the technology without question. I don't want fair chase on the battle field. I want the repeatable results of snipers taking out bad guys that never had a chance.

I just don't have a great feeling about it with game animals. It doesn't always rub me the wrong way, but some vids are just too much about the shot, and very little about the hunt and harvest...
 
My favorite deer was taken at 625 with a rifle. My biggest deer was taken at 60 with a bow. Both were awesome hunts and the memories made will last forever. If you want to call one of them just “shooting” and not hunting, IDGAF
 
I grew up in the south doing deer drives and running deer with dogs. Lots of crazy unaimed lead flinging. I'm going to bet the west was wild in the 80s also. I remember a guy knocking a deer down wayyy out there with an open sight 30-30. On the last bullet in his gun. He was legendary for awhile.
 

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