90/10 not going away...

Maybe, but that will probably never happen because they're going to make sure points "still have value". Meaning they'll switch to a bonus point system. I wonder how many guys would give up their chances for a sheep license with 20 points (or 20x20=400) if offered a refund? Very few would, I'm guessing.
I for one will not purchase a Wyoming bonus point at $100. I will walk away at 18 preference points.
Doesn't have enough value. Other states offer better.
You are probably right most hunters will continue. They don't understand. Bonus points don't work well. That's the reason for the switch.
 
I for one will not purchase a Wyoming bonus point at $100. I will walk away at 18 preference points.
Doesn't have enough value. Other states offer better.
You are probably right most hunters will continue. They don't understand. Bonus points don't work well. That's the reason for the switch.
Would you mind saying which states offer better than Wyoming even at the new 90/10 allocation? Please be specific, just saying it doesn't make it so.
 
I for one will not purchase a Wyoming bonus point at $100. I will walk away at 18 preference points.
Doesn't have enough value. Other states offer better.
You are probably right most hunters will continue. They don't understand. Bonus points don't work well. That's the reason for the switch.
You for one should be hoping for bonus points. You're not drawing with true preference points and no random tags.
 
Do you guys stop drinking beer when the price goes up?

If a hooker charges 15 dollars more do you stop using her services?

Its only money, they make more of it. Just make more, stack up points and the system may change one day in your favor.

Or just get on here and cry like a little b----
 
Would you mind saying which states offer better than Wyoming even at the new 90/10 allocation? Please be specific, just saying it doesn't make it so.

I think it depends on what comes next. As it stands right now his 18 preference points are worthless.

Once/If it moves to bonus points it is a different story, but until that is in place it is kind of anyone's guess.
 
You for one should be hoping for bonus points. You're not drawing with true preference points and no random tags.

He got one thing right, he’s not paying $100 for a point. But yea, PP with no random licenses -vs- a random bonus system where your points still matter. The only real decision, is your advantage worth $150/year.
 
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I for one will not purchase a Wyoming bonus point at $100. I will walk away at 18 preference points.
Doesn't have enough value. Other states offer better.
You are probably right most hunters will continue. They don't understand. Bonus points don't work well. That's the reason for the switch.

No better system, in my opinion, than Nevada. I really like their bonus point system.
 
A simple answer for deer, elk, and antelope. Don’t change a thing and leave everything (including quotas) as they are! Wyo res are prone to get screwed over by set aside tags for outfitters/landowners by changes!

Obviously for the big 5 the real losers are the guys with close to max pts that have devoted years and big $ to the pref pt system. Wyo did a disservice to those long-term devoted nonres applicants!

Big question, how are nonres going to be assured that several years down the road that new changes aren’t going to screw them over for e/d/a? Wyo could even make more severe cuts that screw them over even more than with 90/10. How many nonres are going to call it quits in Wyo since 90/10 happened for the big 5. How many nonres are going to apply to other states?

Wyo res watch your back! You may get screwed out of more tags from outfitters than you ever gain from 90/10 for e/d/a. I say leave d/e/a as it is and Wyo won’t screw things up more than they already have!
 
A simple answer for deer, elk, and antelope. Don’t change a thing and leave everything (including quotas) as they are! Wyo res are prone to get screwed over by set aside tags for outfitters/landowners by changes!

Obviously for the big 5 the real losers are the guys with close to max pts that have devoted years and big $ to the pref pt system. Wyo did a disservice to those long-term devoted nonres applicants!

Big question, how are nonres going to be assured that several years down the road that new changes aren’t going to screw them over for e/d/a? Wyo could even make more severe cuts that screw them over even more than with 90/10. How many nonres are going to call it quits in Wyo since 90/10 happened for the big 5. How many nonres are going to apply to other states?

Wyo res watch your back! You may get screwed out of more tags from outfitters than you ever gain from 90/10 for e/d/a. I say leave d/e/a as it is and Wyo won’t screw things up more than they already have!
Noted.
 
A simple answer for deer, elk, and antelope. Don’t change a thing and leave everything (including quotas) as they are! Wyo res are prone to get screwed over by set aside tags for outfitters/landowners by changes!
I noticed you commented on the license distribution thread in the Colorado forum. Prior and after your comment on the thread were several residents wanting 90/10 for DEA in Colorado. I thought you would say they were wrong for wanting more for themselves. Or how it would hurt small towns in Colorado. Yet, nothing from you. You jump on here and say don't change percentages in WY. You're from Colorado, right?
 
I’m against 90/10 in both Colo and Wyo! I have a feeling the cpw will listen to small town communities in western Colo that were totally against limiting nonres. Sorry I didn’t take time to post.
 
I vote to alienate all of us NRs who like to spend money on wildlife in your home state of Wyoming. (Being sarcastic BTW).
Again you can be just like Washington, Oregon and California who don’t give a rats ? a$$ about the NR. In return, the NR doesn’t fight hard when the left sided voters move in and want to spend money on abortion clinics versus wildlife conservation. The amount of tags from people moving in and loss of habitat will cause another decrease in NR tag allocation and will further the loss of money and support for wildlife. This is truly not a good move for the future of hunting in your state and will start an even faster decline in tags and hunting. The worse slippery slope is to make wildlife decisions based on popularity and politics.
 
Anyone know the percentage of people moving into Wyoming and Colorado that hunt? Seems like a lot of tree huggers are moving in also.
 
Anyone know the percentage of people moving into Wyoming and Colorado that hunt? Seems like a lot of tree huggers are moving in also.

I know for where i live a lot of california people came. Mostly retired people. Seemed like a couple hundred came but according to the census we grew like 1.2% in the town i live in
 
I know a bunch of people left around where I live when the energy industry busted a couple years ago
Seems like the working person left for greener pastures. I was curious if the new people were hunters, outdoors people (hike, ski, ATV’ers, etc.) or tree huggers.
Thanks
 
We are inundated with illegal aliens working the local dairies. Mostly Guatemalans. I hope they don’t take up hunting….
How do you know they are illegal? It’s a rhetorical question btw. Couldn’t leave the racism with the badge when you turned it in? Another rhetorical question
 
How do you know they are illegal? It’s a rhetorical question btw. Couldn’t leave the racism with the badge when you turned it in? Another rhetorical question
Because Yo hablo espanol. I talk to them when I see them around town, at the dairies and shopping centers. Does everything have to be about race with you snowflakes? You whiny little millennials get triggered easily.

You see it’s not what you don’t know that gets you in trouble, it’s what you know for certain that’s just not true.
 
Because Yo hablo espanol. I talk to them when I see them around town, at the dairies and shopping centers. Does everything have to be about race with you snowflakes? You whiny little millennials get triggered easily.

You see it’s not what you don’t know that gets you in trouble, it’s what you know for certain that’s just not true.
You’re at the grocery store and strike up the convo by asking if they here legally? Riiiiiight.

What are you doing spending so much time at the dairies? Does milking cows get you all hot and bothered?

Story doesn’t add up..
 
You’ve never struck up a conversation with a stranger? I’m sure you’ve talked to other soy boys that you don’t know when you’re on your Atari or when you’re out and about doing whatever it is snowflakes do. Or does mommy still advise you of stranger danger everyday?

Since my dad died in 2017 I’m managing the little farm and ranch he left my mother. It entails trips to the dairy at times. Talking to people comes natural for me, I spent 30 years as a Border Patrol Agent and literally spoke to thousands of foreigners and citizens over that time span.

Again, it’s not what you don’t know that gets you in trouble, it’s what you know for certain that’s just not true…
 
You’ve never struck up a conversation with a stranger? I’m sure you’ve talked to other soy boys that you don’t know when you’re on your Atari or when you’re out and about doing whatever it is snowflakes do. Or does mommy still advise you of stranger danger everyday?

Since my dad died in 2017 I’m managing the little farm and ranch he left my mother. It entails trips to the dairy at times. Talking to people comes natural for me, I spent 30 years as a Border Patrol Agent and literally spoke to thousands of foreigners and citizens over that time span.

Again, it’s not what you don’t know that gets you in trouble, it’s what you know for certain that’s just not true…
Hey Grandpa, what is Atari???
 
You’ve never struck up a conversation with a stranger? I’m sure you’ve talked to other soy boys that you don’t know when you’re on your Atari or when you’re out and about doing whatever it is snowflakes do. Or does mommy still advise you of stranger danger everyday?

Since my dad died in 2017 I’m managing the little farm and ranch he left my mother. It entails trips to the dairy at times. Talking to people comes natural for me, I spent 30 years as a Border Patrol Agent and literally spoke to thousands of foreigners and citizens over that time span.

Again, it’s not what you don’t know that gets you in trouble, it’s what you know for certain that’s just not true…
Thanks for your service.
 
You’ve never struck up a conversation with a stranger? I’m sure you’ve talked to other soy boys that you don’t know when you’re on your Atari or when you’re out and about doing whatever it is snowflakes do. Or does mommy still advise you of stranger danger everyday?

Since my dad died in 2017 I’m managing the little farm and ranch he left my mother. It entails trips to the dairy at times. Talking to people comes natural for me, I spent 30 years as a Border Patrol Agent and literally spoke to thousands of foreigners and citizens over that time span.

Again, it’s not what you don’t know that gets you in trouble, it’s what you know for certain that’s just not true…
I thought you said you were a cop? A border patrol agent is one level above a mall cop.

Thanks for keeping all those illegals out of our country….oh wait.
 
I thought you said you were a cop? A border patrol agent is one level above a mall cop.

Thanks for keeping all those illegals out of our country….oh wait.
I never said I was a cop or any good at what I did. AGAIN you astound me as your reading comprehension is on a first grade level. Your stalking ability is that of a career criminal though, so at least you’ve got that going for you.
 
I never said I was a cop or any good at what I did. AGAIN you astound me as your reading comprehension is on a first grade level. Your stalking ability is that of a career criminal though, so at least you’ve got that going for you.
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Better watch out as the members of this site like to attack federal employees with pension plans. Get ‘em @hossburr
 
I just looked at Idaho Bighorn sheep a little closer. They have a total of 92 sheep tags with NR drawing "up to" 9.

In 2021 (if my math is right) WY had 44 NR tags, 6 being random. WY had 176 total sheep tags, so 18 would go to NR if they give 10% based upon total number of tags.

The only upside to Idaho is no preference points, but a $185.00 license just to apply. It should be noted NR are in the same draw as R. It is possible NR could actually not draw one license.

Fact Check: nripepi's statement that Idaho offers more than WY for bighorn sheep is false.
 
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Okay, let's start over. You are a non-resident starting out right now with 90/10 in place and your budget only allows for you to apply in one state...are you choosing Wyoming or Idaho?
This hypothetical isn’t realistic because if you can only afford to apply for one you can’t afford to hunt either one.

Make more money. Put in for all of them. Stop crying on the internet. Turn those tears into $$$
 
Okay, let's start over. You are a non-resident starting out right now with 90/10 in place and your budget only allows for you to apply in one state...are you choosing Wyoming or Idaho?
Depends. If this hypothetical NR goes by feelings or intuition, he can pick the one that makes him happy. If he bases the decision on math/logic, it will be Idaho. Until WY switches NR's to a BP system, or perhaps instead merely changes the proportion of random tags for NR's to a number greater than the current 25%, he couldn't draw there since there'll be zero random-draw bighorn sheep tags after 2022. If WY does indeed change to the rumored squared bonus point system for all NR ram licenses, the future random draw odds will be much worse in WY than ID....assuming that most of the current NR applicant pool forges ahead. The random draw odds already are significantly worse in WY, in the current system. And now the NR ram tag allocation is being reduced by approximately 60%.

The reality is that most guys applying seriously for sheep are setting aside funds and applying in 7 or 8 state draws, along with every raffle possible. That's the only real hope to draw a tag or two in your lifetime.
 
if I was young starting off I would likely not apply for sheep unless they are in my own state so it’s not ungodly expensive to apply with extremely low draw odds. I would much rather save up all the pt/application fees on a poor man’s sheep hunt (free ranging auodad or other species). Another option i wish I would have jumped on when younger was moving to Alaska or a canada province…at least a few years to take full advantage of sheep hunting options.

I’m also pretty sure anyone can still hunt sheep in Montana every year! May be tough but at least you can sheep hunt rather than toss $ to the wind!
 
A NR can apply for sheep in Idaho every year, and have the best odds in the country of drawing a tag as a non-resident. And for the very low cost of the application fee. I do this myself every year.

Yes, you need a base hunting license also. Since I hunt elk / deer every year in Idaho anyway, this is not an added cost to my sheep app. For those who only want to hunt sheep, it is a significant extra cost. And still, the odds of drawing a random tag in Idaho will be 10-20x better than a random tag in Wyoming.

Bill
 
if I was young starting off I would likely not apply for sheep unless they are in my own state so it’s not ungodly expensive to apply with extremely low draw odds. I would much rather save up all the pt/application fees on a poor man’s sheep hunt (free ranging auodad or other species). Another option i wish I would have jumped on when younger was moving to Alaska or a canada province…at least a few years to take full advantage of sheep hunting options.

I’m also pretty sure anyone can still hunt sheep in Montana every year! May be tough but at least you can sheep hunt rather than toss $ to the wind!
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SS, calm your panty-pants and quit humiliating every post with pointless condescending photos! Keep it up and I can guarantee you will get a nasty from founder! Take a look above…almost every one of your posts has a pointless photo with captions.

SS, I sad they are a poor man’s sheep hunt. I said nothing about it being like sheep hunting in Alaska or anywhere else did I! I’ve hunted auodad and they were actually tougher to stalk and get close to where I hunted them than just about any sheep hunt I’ve been on in Alaska or Colorado!

I’m not sure if you’ve chased hard hunted free ranging auodad in tx or nm but it is a pretty big accomplishment harvesting a nice ram. They also make pretty cool mounts!
 
if I was young sta7rting off I would likely not apply for sheep unless they are in my own state so it’s not ungodly expensive to apply with extremely low draw odds. I would much rather save up all the pt/application fees on a poor man’s sheep hunt (free ranging auodad or other species). Another option i wish I would have jumped on when younger was moving to Alaska or a canada province…at least a few years to take full advantage of sheep hunting options.

I’m also pretty sure anyone can still hunt sheep in Montana every year! May be tough but at least you can sheep hunt rather than toss $ to

SS, calm your panty-pants and quit humiliating every post with pointless condescending photos! Keep it up and I can guarantee you will get a nasty from founder! Take a look above…almost every one of your posts has a pointless photo with captions.

SS, I sad they are a poor man’s sheep hunt. I said nothing about it being like sheep hunting in Alaska or anywhere else did I! I’ve hunted auodad and they were actually tougher to stalk and get close to where I hunted them than just about any sheep hunt I’ve been on in Alaska or Colorado!

I’m not sure if you’ve chased hard hunted free ranging auodad in tx or nm but it is a pretty big accomplishment harvesting a nice ram. They also make pretty cool mounts!
Those auodad will dam sure challenge any guy with a bow !
 
A NR can apply for sheep in Idaho every year, and have the best odds in the country of drawing a tag as a non-resident. And for the very low cost of the application fee. I do this myself every year.

Yes, you need a base hunting license also. Since I hunt elk / deer every year in Idaho anyway, this is not an added cost to my sheep app. For those who only want to hunt sheep, it is a significant extra cost. And still, the odds of drawing a random tag in Idaho will be 10-20x better than a random tag in Wyoming.

Bill
I agree, but everyone here said Wyoming is best? Similar cost and 20X better odds.
 
I agree, but everyone here said Wyoming is best? Similar cost and 20X better odds.
First, let's look at price. It appears you can put in for WY and not buy a point for $70. You would only be in the random draw. I'm not a NR, so some of you can check me on this. Idaho is $185 for the license before you apply. So $115 cheaper to apply for WY.

In 2021, Idaho had 3,724 total applicants and "up to" 9 tags for NR. So, .241% draw odds overall for NR if they get the 9 tags. 0% if 92 R get drawn before a NR. Truly, Idaho is impossible to calculate draw odds.

In 2021, WY had four units with random tags. A total of 2793 NR applicants put in for those specific units and 6 total tags. That's .215% draw odds.

I'm not seeing 20x better draw odds. Draw odds suck for both. If you don't buy a point, WY is cheaper. Plus, you have guaranteed random tags. At least for 2022 you do.
 
First, let's look at price. It appears you can put in for WY and not buy a point for $70. You would only be in the random draw. I'm not a NR, so some of you can check me on this. Idaho is $185 for the license before you apply. So $115 cheaper to apply for WY.

In 2021, Idaho had 3,724 total applicants and "up to" 9 tags for NR. So, .241% draw odds overall for NR if they get the 9 tags. 0% if 92 R get drawn before a NR. Truly, Idaho is impossible to calculate draw odds.

In 2021, WY had four units with random tags. A total of 2793 NR applicants put in for those specific units and 6 total tags. That's .215% draw odds.

I'm not seeing 20x better draw odds. Draw odds suck for both. If you don't buy a point, WY is cheaper. Plus, you have guaranteed random tags. At least for 2022 you do.
He doesn’t want facts, he wants to cry on someone’s shoulder.

Let it out @nripepi . We are here for you. ?
 
The non-refundable cost to apply in ID for sheep for a NR was 330.78 last year. The NR draw odds for sheep run about 1:200. Or somewhat worse if you apply for the 2 highest demand hunts. And somewhat better if you apply for one of lesser-demand hunts. This has been consistent for a very long time. And Idaho has consistently issued NR's the maximum number of sheep tags allowed by the NR ceiling limit, year after year. Because, even though NR & RES applicants are both in the same drawing pool, the high number of NR applicants making up the pool has always insured that NR's reach their ceiling limit, early in the progress of the draw. Assuming no changes to the draw system, and no major changes to the applicant pool size and make-up, these type NR draw odds will continue there.

To compare with WY going forward, we'd need a bit more information. It's still unclear what they'll be changing and when. But.....there are currently just under 12000 NR applicants holding preference points for sheep. Under the new 10% NR ceiling, the maximum number of ram licenses will be about 18. So you can do that math any way you choose, but the odds won't be super. Yes you can apply without buying a 150.00 point, but that'd probably be unwise if the rumored squared BP system comes to pass. The convenience fee is roughly 60.00 and the app fee is 15.00, so the total will run you around 225.00 for a sheep app.

Again, if you can't move to say, AK or BC, yet you still badly desire to hunt sheep as a DIY hunter, you'll need to apply anywhere and everywhere such licenses are offered. Costly yes, but you only get one lifetime to go for it.
 
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He doesn’t want facts, he wants to cry on someone’s shoulder.

Let it out @nripepi . We are here for you. ?
Okay. Wyoming will have how many random non-resident tags in 2023? Let's start there and then maybe you all can do the math easier from that point forward.
 
Okay. Wyoming will have how many random non-resident tags in 2023? Let's start there and then maybe you all can do the math easier from that point forward.
If you think Idaho is a better deal then apply for Idaho. The original question was which states offer better than Wyoming even at 90/10. The question wasn't which state is better for you? Or, which state has more random tags? Or, which state has a better system? Wyoming should offer 18 NR tags @ 10%. Which state gives more NR bighorn tags? Idaho offers up to 9 total tags.
 
Don’t know until quotas are set and final! ??
You obviously don't want to answer the question... Based on current policy and historic quotas, the answer is zero random WY sheep tags for non-residents - perhaps 1 at most.

Of course any state can change the rules - hence this discussion.

But under the current rules, 9 NR random tags in Idaho with many fewer applicants, or perhaps 0-1 random tag in WY with 12,000 applicants.
There will be a few tags in WY going to the few NR with near max points, but for everyone else the odds will be 0, perhaps as "good" as 1:12,000.

Idaho will have a much more favorable system for NR than Wyoming given the currently approved regulations.

Which is the answer to the question posed a couple pages back...

Bill
 
You obviously don't want to answer the question... Based on current policy and historic quotas, the answer is zero random WY sheep tags for non-residents - perhaps 1 at most.

Of course any state can change the rules - hence this discussion.

But under the current rules, 9 NR random tags in Idaho with many fewer applicants, or perhaps 0-1 random tag in WY with 12,000 applicants.
There will be a few tags in WY going to the few NR with near max points, but for everyone else the odds will be 0, perhaps as "good" as 1:12,000.

Idaho will have a much more favorable system for NR than Wyoming given the currently approved regulations.

Which is the answer to the question posed a couple pages back...

Bill
It's up to 10% of the tags in Idaho. No assurance a nr will draw a tag.

Oh, and 90-10 doesn't go into effect this year...which sheep and moose areas did you apply for in Wyoming?
 
You obviously don't want to answer the question... Based on current policy and historic quotas, the answer is zero random WY sheep tags for non-residents - perhaps 1 at most.

Of course any state can change the rules - hence this discussion.

But under the current rules, 9 NR random tags in Idaho with many fewer applicants, or perhaps 0-1 random tag in WY with 12,000 applicants.
There will be a few tags in WY going to the few NR with near max points, but for everyone else the odds will be 0, perhaps as "good" as 1:12,000.

Idaho will have a much more favorable system for NR than Wyoming given the currently approved regulations.

Which is the answer to the question posed a couple pages back...

Bill
There is always a random sheep tag no matter what!!! In fact there are like 2. Called the super tag
 
If you think Idaho is a better deal then apply for Idaho. The original question was which states offer better than Wyoming even at 90/10. The question wasn't which state is better for you? Or, which state has more random tags? Or, which state has a better system? Wyoming should offer 18 NR tags @ 10%. Which state gives more NR bighorn tags? Idaho offers up to 9 total tags.
Washington offers 100 percent of all sheep tags to non residents, with a squared point system, for about $100. And they consider up to four choices. Still bad draw odds.
 
Sent $1000. to Western Watershed project today.
They assure me it will be used only in Wyoming.
I hope I get a better value than I did from WFGD.
Thanks Buzz.
 
When im president we will all pay the same tag fees. Residents already have the luxury of minimal commute and the ability to scout. We should all value the game the same. Should non residents pay more for gas, food and everything else. Here it comes “you could move here”. Imagine if we all moved to Wyoming , the resident draw odds would get crushed. But it is an option.
 
When im president we will all pay the same tag fees. Residents already have the luxury of minimal commute and the ability to scout. We should all value the game the same. Should non residents pay more for gas, food and everything else. Here it comes “you could move here”. Imagine if we all moved to Wyoming , the resident draw odds would get crushed. But it is an option.
No one wants to move to Wyoming. That's why we live here. Well, that and the great hunting and fishing.
 

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