Fence ladders

I'm thinkin' there is going to be a run on these later this week so I wanted y'all to be ready. Just click below. several options to choose from...

I have been making a protocol new set of trekking poles. They are going to be game changers. They will stack and act like a pole vault pole. Then double as trekking poles...

 
Well done Elks. I'll need a set of those too. I'd say the fences are going to get a little higher.
 
don't know why but i have a gut feeling this is going to go in the ranches favor he has millions to spend on attorneys and keep it tied up in court forever (straight out of donald trumps playbook }until the 4 accused, bha and its donors run out of money
 
don't know why but i have a gut feeling this is going to go in the ranches favor he has millions to spend on attorneys and keep it tied up in court forever (straight out of donald trumps playbook }until the 4 accused, bha and its donors run out of money
Today's trial is Carbon County vs the hunters, nothing to do with landowner's money unless he paid off the six jurors they will pick this morning.

The County Attorney? She may be bought and paid for or maybe her and her hubby have a sweet place to hunt.
 
Shortly? ?
yes shortly it wont take the rancher long to bury the 4 stooges in financial debt, and i doubt bha and its supporters have millions to part with to keep it going long ...and it will take millions (like i said the rancher is going to use a page out of trumps play book)eventually the 4 stooges are gonna cave they dont have the money to keep it going and niethier does bha or their supporters.
anyone that thinks the defense attourneys are actually doing this for free as buzz has everyone thinking has seriously got their head stuck so far up their **** it is going to become painful,
attourneys dont work for free and they defineately don't work at a reduced rate on a case with this much media coverage
if you actually think the ranch is going to lose your dillusional or drunk
 
Ultimag, count me among the delusional (although at least I can spell the word). I think the ranch could lose. And, in this case I do agree with Buzz. The attorneys could be doing this pro - bono (that means free). Its a high profile case and if they win they could gain notoriety and public favor which would likely benefit their practice. If you have read any of the briefs, watched the video, or otherwise researched the case at all then you understand that its not a slam dunk for the ranch. There are a bunch of factors in play here - including a jury. It'll be very interesting to hear the decision and see what the next moves are.
 
I don’t think there is any reason to expect this to be resolved “shortly”. Whichever way the decision goes I would expect the other side to appeal.

The State has plenty of taxpayer money to spend on an appeal. The defendants have $70,000 of other peoples money to spend that they have raised on Go Fund Me. So I don’t see this being resolved “shortly”.
 
I don’t think there is any reason to expect this to be resolved “shortly”. Whichever way the decision goes I would expect the other side to appeal.

The State has plenty of taxpayer money to spend on an appeal. The defendants have $70,000 of other peoples money to spend that they have raised on Go Fund Me. So I don’t see this being resolved “shortly”.
I do not know what the defendants fees in Wyoming will be, but in many places $70,000 is not considered a large war chest. We tell out NOVA/DC area clients to expect somewhere around $40,000-$50,000 in fees if a nasty contested divorce goes to court, with absolutely no guarantees on the outcome. That is a shock to some of them and more than a few of them have decided to play nice with the ex-spouse rather than take their chances in court. We often see corporate issues where the price to play for each player is $300,000-$400,000.
 
Have you guys even been following this. There was about 60k raised in a matter of a week or two when hunters banned together to support them you don't think anymore money can be raised??
 
$70,000 is what Go Fund Me says they have raised so far. And, yes, I believe they can raise more so that’s why I think they will appeal if they lose.

I don’t know what legal expenses are in Wyoming but I would expect them to be less than NOAV/DC. Around here a DUI is a $1,000 and a murder trial is $150,000.
 
I don’t think there is any reason to expect this to be resolved “shortly”. Whichever way the decision goes I would expect the other side to appeal.

The State has plenty of taxpayer money to spend on an appeal. The defendants have $70,000 of other peoples money to spend that they have raised on Go Fund Me. So I don’t see this being resolved “shortly”.
Not according to Ashley...the court is about broke, has a whopping $800,000 a year budget. She was complaining that even a change in venue would be too expensive.
 
I don’t think there is any reason to expect this to be resolved “shortly”. Whichever way the decision goes I would expect the other side to appeal.

The State has plenty of taxpayer money to spend on an appeal. The defendants have $70,000 of other peoples money to spend that they have raised on Go Fund Me. So I don’t see this being resolved “shortly”.
The state or county can't appeal the decision of "not guilty". Get your facts straight.
 
I want to thank some on here... I have used this thread and the other thread with my students to point out how many adults have no clue at all how the legal system works. It has been a great discussion. If the men are found not guilty there is no appeal at all and the government has nothing else they can do. There is not appeal and the state or in this case the DA has already tried suppressing evidence claiming that they do not have the budget needed to even move the trial...

Secondly, once the men are found not guilty that could drastically change the pending civil suit? Either way, this is not going to be short. The criminal trial will take a week. The civil case could take years. As for fees, I imagine there are more than a couple lawyers ready to take the case on for really cheap knowing they could make bank off a settlement when the rich land owners fails in civil court. Kind of like the ecoterrorist lawyers tkaing on BS cases knowing no matter what they will get paid. A little risk on this case could result in a big payment from a big wealthy out of state land owner...
 
My mistake on the prosecutor being able to appeal. But like elks96 said, the civil case could last years.
 
What do you think the chances of a hung jury. And if there is a hung jury will the State retry them.

If there is a hung jury and the State doesn’t retry them then nothing is settled.
 
What do you think the chances of a hung jury. And if there is a hung jury will the State retry them.

If there is a hung jury and the State doesn’t retry them then nothing is settled.
I think there's little to no chance of this going in favor of the landowner but that's my opinion I've been watching this closely
 
Great news and the money we all donated goes to a good cause.

Gut feeling here, this isn't over. The rancher doesn't take loosing well
He's not going to have much luck getting anyone to write a citation after this is all said and done that's for sure
 
He's not going to have much luck getting anyone to write a citation after this is all said and done that's for sure
I think that many across the state will have a hard time getting the tickets written. Assuming that the basis of the case stays the same. Crossing at a marked corner...
 
The problem with this case from the start is that the landowner expects a major penalty for something that is arguably not even a crime. That is why the jury found them innocent. Someone using your driveway to turn around is arguably worse that what these hunters did.

I'm all for private property rights but locking hunters out of these corner sections isn't about private property rights. It is about property owners using public land as their own private playground without having to pay property taxes on it.
 
Elks96 comment just reminded me of him. Can't cross a corner without a marker lol. They better hope your boot print is still there by the time they get the surveyors out there
No not that at all. But I do contend. Without a section marker there is another level of risk and another burden to the case. I understand the argument, but I also think that argument is not as straight forward or stable as the argument in this case. This case was a perfect first risk as everyone involved aside they did not touch the private. There was no gray area for wiggle.
 
No not that at all. But I do contend. Without a section marker there is another level of risk and another burden to the case. I understand the argument, but I also think that argument is not as straight forward or stable as the argument in this case. This case was a perfect first risk as everyone involved aside they did not touch the private. There was no gray area for wiggle.
So a corner can't be crossed with a gps device. ?
 
No not that at all. But I do contend. Without a section marker there is another level of risk and another burden to the case. I understand the argument, but I also think that argument is not as straight forward or stable as the argument in this case. This case was a perfect first risk as everyone involved aside they did not touch the private. There was no gray area for wiggle.
I think not having a corner marker makes corner crossing easier. How does the state prove you didn't walk from public to public? It's not the hunter's responsibility to show it in court.
 
That would be kind of entertaining - show up out there with a school bus full of guys with ladders. I'm in.
 

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