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Thinking of burning my points on a cow moose hunt this fall have 16 points never will be able to draw a bull tag. Its either use them or quit anyone have any ideas on units or outfitters?
Thanks Brian
 
Not trying to be sarcastic or controversial, I’m just curious. If you were to get a cow moose tag with your 16 points, how much would be totally invested including cost of points, license, and tag??? Just wondering if it’s worth it. When they raised the point cost a couple of years ago I had about 5 points and after much study I ended up walking away. Just wondering if it was the right decision or not.
 
I just know you can still hunt moose in eastern Canada fully guided/outfitted for $6,000-$8,000 for bulls. Now they are not trophy Alaskan/Yukon moose. I think they are Newfoundland or something like that. But you don’t have to buy over $1000-$2000 in points and thousands in tags and license but the big kicker is you don’t have to wait 15-25 years to do it. Just options to think about when trying to decide what to do in the Wyoming conundrum when they jacked the point and tag price through the roof for NR hunters that already are sitting in that 15 point spot with lots invested but no tags insight.
 
Not trying to be sarcastic or controversial, I’m just curious. If you were to get a cow moose tag with your 16 points, how much would be totally invested including cost of points, license, and tag??? Just wondering if it’s worth it. When they raised the point cost a couple of years ago I had about 5 points and after much study I ended up walking away. Just wondering if it was the right decision or not.
It’s only money, you can’t take it with you and they keep making more of it. You asked if it’s worth it? Of course it is to many people. Maybe not you. That’s why there’s no leftover cow moose tags. A simple search of draw odds shows how many people are interested in using their points on cow moose.

Id rather shoot a cow than one of those dink antlered Canadian bulls. You’ll find real quick that 8k guided hunt plus flights etc is going to put you over 10k and your trophy will have less antler than a mule deer. 16 points in wyo, license, fuel etc isn’t going to put you anywhere near 10k. And the only tip you have to give is to your wife when you get home from being gone 10 days…
 
Thinking of burning my points on a cow moose hunt this fall have 16 points never will be able to draw a bull tag. Its either use them or quit anyone have any ideas on units or outfitters?
Thanks Brian
If the Wyo G&F decides to go to a weighted bonus point system in lieu of the current preference point system, would that enter into your thought process in deciding what to do? Just a thought. Most of the task force discussion has centered around changing the current system for residents. I'm not sure, but I'm guessing that they wouldn't have 2 different drawing systems for non-res & res for the same species, but who knows. Maybe some else could chime in on this.
 
If the Wyo G&F decides to go to a weighted bonus point system in lieu of the current preference point system, would that enter into your thought process in deciding what to do? Just a thought. Most of the task force discussion has centered around changing the current system for residents. I'm not sure, but I'm guessing that they wouldn't have 2 different drawing systems for non-res & res for the same species, but who knows. Maybe some else could chime in on this.
They already do for Deer, Elk, and Antelope.
 
Thinking of burning my points on a cow moose hunt this fall have 16 points never will be able to draw a bull tag. Its either use them or quit anyone have any ideas on units or outfitters?
Thanks Brian
It's definitely your call but there is areas with big moose you could draw with 16 points.
 
As of last year there was only one area he could draw with 16 points as a non resident. But I'd take any area with a bull tag over the best area with a cow tag but that's just me might not be what you want to do
 
As of last year there was only one area he could draw with 16 points as a non resident. But I'd take any area with a bull tag over the best area with a cow tag but that's just me might not be what you want to do
You meant one type 4 he couldn't draw, correct?
 
What’s crazy is there’s some nice bulls running around in the area that he could of received a bull tag in last fall. I would take that tag over some of the ones that take max/close to max points.
 
That tag had been taking 18 or 19 when he had 13-15. Zero reason he should have put in for that tag vs. trying random. He is in no man's land and either needs to wait it out for 5-10 years or draw a cow tag.
 
No I meant one bull tag he could draw
It was an anomaly. I know he would have drawn it last year, but odds were and are low he would draw it this year. Better odds in the few units with random odds I would think rather than guessing which unit might slip this year, if any do. I think with 16 points, a cow tag might not be that bad of a call to get out. Would be an easier call if the cow tag prices were lower than bull permits.
 
It was an anomaly. I know he would have drawn it last year, but odds were and are low he would draw it this year. Better odds in the few units with random odds I would think rather than guessing which unit might slip this year, if any do. I think with 16 points, a cow tag might not be that bad of a call to get out. Would be an easier call if the cow tag prices were lower than bull permits.
No reason to drop the price on cows, they sell out every year.

In fact, I wish doe pronghorn/deer tags would get bumped to $100 each for NR's...and cow elk need to go up to $400-$450 for NR's...we're selling those out too.

Supply and demand and all that.

If I were at 16 points and didn't want to see them turned into bonus points, I'd be thinking cow moose here as well.

Get one while the getting's good...going to be in it for less than half the price of moose hunt anywhere else, unless you live in a state with moose.
 
Listen to Buzz and apply for a antlerless tag before all the other NR point holders in the same boat as you figure out what is going on and start heading for the exits.

There were only 7 or so NR antlerless tags issued last year so it is only going to take a couple of the 2,000 or so NR with more points than you to apply in the units with antlerless tags available to cause the points required to significantly jump putting those hunts out of reach as well…

Horniac
 
They already do for Deer, Elk, and Antelope.
I'm fully aware that residents don't have a pref pt for E/D/A and the non-res do. The task force is seriously talking of changing the pref pt to bonus pt for moose & sheep. I heard no talk of differentiating res from non-res in those discussions. The focus was on the resident draw, but they may include non-res in the change. I guess if it were me, I'd wait out the task force and see what transpires. Or, he could calculate the odds with a weighted bonus point system and see where he lies in a new system and then make a decision to get out of the game. I just drew a moose tag last fall and with the current "once in a lifetime" legislation looking like it will pass, I'll be done with moose hunting, at least in Wyo.
 
I am in the same boat as the OP. I can not bring myself to spend the two grand on a cow tag. I am in my moose points about $1300 now. If the $150 a year gets to be too much to bare I will just quit. Until then I will keep buying points or applying and hope to get lucky
 
It was an anomaly. I know he would have drawn it last year, but odds were and are low he would draw it this year. Better odds in the few units with random odds I would think rather than guessing which unit might slip this year, if any do. I think with 16 points, a cow tag might not be that bad of a call to get out. Would be an easier call if the cow tag prices were lower than bull permits.
This "anomaly" I've seen happen in the past and that tag has been drawn with 18 points 4 out of the last 5 years I'd probably hang in there if I was him but it's his points not mine.
 
With 16 points I would stay the course. Bull tag in area 36 took 7 points last year. Not all units have a high demand.
 
With 16 points I would stay the course. Bull tag in area 36 took 7 points last year. Not all units have a high demand.
Area 36 was 50% draw with 19pts for NR. It took a minimum of 15pts for residents to draw a moose tag in area 36.
 
2021 NR area 36 moose had one nonres license. I just looked again at the Fish and Game website draw results. 7 points drew it. I know it won't happen again but it did last year. I don't know how to screen shoot it and post it here but it's on the draw results.
 
2021 NR area 36 moose had one nonres license. I just looked again at the Fish and Game website draw results. 7 points drew it. I know it won't happen again but it did last year. I don't know how to screen shoot it and post it here but it's on the draw results.
You are correct. Not sure what I was looking at....sorry about that. Somebody got a steal of a deal for their points!
 
This "anomaly" I've seen happen in the past and that tag has been drawn with 18 points 4 out of the last 5 years I'd probably hang in there if I was him but it's his points not mine.
True but once the 90/10 kicks in next year that tag as well as many others including the majority of the antlerless tags will most likely be gone for NR’s depending on the how those NR tags are actually allocated under the new 10% resulting in massive point creep.

Also 15 points (last year) is also a long way from the 18 to 19 required to draw that tag and the points required is still creeping up even at the current NR tag allocation. That 36 bull tag being drawn with 7 points last year was a fluke. It was confirmed that it was not an error on the draw report but I would bet you will never see that happen again.

The weighted bonus point “carrot“ being floated to keep NR‘s buying points at $150 a piece for M&S will give higher point holders slightly better odds at drawing a tag but there is no guarantee they will ever draw and and most never will...

Horniac
 
Well just had moose meatloaf tonight from my Iast bull I took in Alberta it's some of the best big game meat you can have. I'am getting to old to play this game anymore so I think it's freezer time for a cow can't eat the horns anyway I already have a set of Shiras horns in my pole barn. Don't think drawing a bull tag is possible time to forget horns a get a cooler full of meat.
 
Well just had moose meatloaf tonight from my Iast bull I took in Alberta it's some of the best big game meat you can have. I'am getting to old to play this game anymore so I think it's freezer time for a cow can't eat the horns anyway I already have a set of Shiras horns in my pole barn. Don't think drawing a bull tag is possible time to forget horns a get a cooler full of meat.
Good luck in the draws! Hope you get a tag!
 
Well draw results our out and I drew my cow moose tag not I just need to just get planning on my one and only moose hunt in Wyoming. Anyone theta can give me any suggestions on this hunt would be appreciated it's unit 38.'
Thanks Brian
Congrats, definitely a good choice with where odds went to! 38 will be fun, saw a number of moose up high a few Falls ago right off the road that goes over the top from Centennial to Saratoga through the Forest.
 
Well draw results our out and I drew my cow moose tag not I just need to just get planning on my one and only moose hunt in Wyoming. Anyone theta can give me any suggestions on this hunt would be appreciated it's unit 38.'
Thanks Brian
Congrats I had my ?crossed that you would draw your tag this year!

Taking a quick look at the draw report it looks like the lowest point total that was awarded an antlered preference point moose tag was 20.

Four antlerless moose tags preference point tags awarded in 38 with two going to applicants with 17 points and two with 16 (one being you). 25 applicants with 15 or less points below you didn‘t draw unfortunately. IMO you made a wise decision on the use of your points before the 90-10 kicks in next year.

I don’t know anything about unit 38 but I hope you have a great time on your hunt!

Horniac
 
…on another note that 1 bull tag in 36 that was drawn on a fluke last year with 7 points was 25% odds with 20 points this year…

Horniac
 
Congrats I had my ?crossed that you would draw your tag this year!

Taking a quick look at the draw report it looks like the lowest point total that was awarded an antlered preference point moose tag was 20.

Four antlerless moose tags preference point tags awarded in 38 with two going to applicants with 17 points and two with 16 (one being you). 25 applicants with 15 or less points below you didn‘t draw unfortunately. IMO you made a wise decision on the use of your points before the 90-10 kicks in next year.

I don’t know anything about unit 38 but I hope you have a great time on your hunt!

Horniac
Glad to be out of the point game looks like drawing a tag is going to get worse thanks for the info
 

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