Yet another school shooting

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I git one derios question please answer if you can.
Shootings of this nature this often did not happen before Colombian, yes I have heard the reports of mass shootings back to the 1950, but not as frequent as they happen now.
My question is why is it happening now as often as it is happening, what has changed since the 1980's?
The proliferation of semi-automatic weapons has to be a contributing factor.

There just weren’t very many of them when I was a kid.
 
Immediately People want Certain Guns Banned/More Gun Laws!

There Ain't a BAN or LAW that Would Stop This BS!

Hope Your Wife Is Armed blue!

Is She Ain't!

It's Time!
 
Hey SLIGHTY SOBER!

I Never Said I Have Guns!

And I Quote:

I’m for more gun control

You'll Lose Your Favorite Moose Gun When That Happens!

Do Us All a Favor & Wake TFU!



I’m for more gun control. A perfect example is a guy like elkassassin. Owns hunting rifles but doesn’t even hunt ?
 
Because some clueless person just lets everyone in that buzzes the door..... this is true.
So the people that run the schools are so stupid they are gonna let in some angry little tranny armed in full body armor. Yet they should be armed, trained and ready to stop teaching the alphabet to six year olds for surprise combat situations at the drop of a hat?
 
Immediately People want Certain Guns Banned/More Gun Laws!

There Ain't a BAN or LAW that Would Stop This BS!

Hope Your Wife Is Armed blue!

Is She Ain't!

It's Time!
Actually there are bans and laws that would “fix” this. We don’t like them.

My wife (CO state women’s trapshooting team, etc) is not a big fan of teachers being armed without them being properly trained. We need to at least consider the FACT that not everyone should be armed.

I would definitely support my wife’s ability to carry into her classroom.
 
Actually there are bans and laws that would “fix” this. We don’t like them.

My wife (CO state women’s trapshooting team, etc) is not a big fan of teachers being armed without them being properly trained. We need to at least consider the FACT that not everyone should be armed.

I would definitely support my wife’s ability to carry into her classroom.
? Who is a fan of arming untrained people? If your wife can learn to shoot so can most teachers if they are willing. Women who have no firearms experience whatsoever are the easiest to teach how to shoot properly. I know this first hand.

What would you ban to fix this?
 
Thanks for asking, I would ban crazy people and kids from owning firearms.

Lets face it, the only reason 18yo’s are allowed to own guns is so we don’t have to wrestle with the morality of sending them off to war.
 
Just sad. Gets more disgusting when dems are tweeting f*** and your prayers. Wow that's the message they have at a time like this.

And this is the problem we face. The moral decay of society and the intolerance some (many actually) have relative to someone's core beliefs.

This very forum has demonstrated that without a doubt.

The politicians "in charge" today are not qualified to address this problem as they are the ones who created it. They are certainly not qualified to take action.
 
Thanks for asking, I would ban crazy people and kids from owning firearms.

Lets face it, the only reason 18yo’s are allowed to own guns is so we don’t have to wrestle with the morality of sending them off to war.
Interesting. How old were you when you owned a gun? I wasn’t even a teen yet and had several, my family had guns, my friends and their friends had guns all before teen years. Use to drive to school with a gun or two in the truck. You probably did the same. You never read about a one of us unless it was in the Sunday Sports page. Nobody I know ever used a gun massacre to anybody.

What age do you deem appropriate for firearm ownership?
 
Well, there seems to be a consesnus that the killer was crazy.

Firearms enthusiasts better start helping to figure out pretty quick how to keep crazies from getting their hands on guns, or someone will do it for us as has also been pointed out.

I predict someone will be along in short order to throw the constitution in my face, and skip right over the crazy thing.

I agree we ALSO have a criminal justice problem.

I feel so bad for all those victims. I worry about my wife who spends all day in a high school.
Agreed.
 
I pay enough in taxes to expect armed guards at our schools. Unfortunately many of our schools have multiple access points, so nut job has ample opportunities to access the schools.
Either way, firearms on campus will do more to protect our kids, then more guy laws. IMO
 
What a horrible act of violence. I feel so bad for everyone involved. How can we be surprised these things continue to happen when the focus is not where it needs to be. The mental health issues of this country need to be confronted. Reality is not reality anymore. There is no accountability for many of the crimes today. Instead of allowing someone to take the blame for their actions, society is looking for someone else to blame, usually someone that does not believe the same way or has a different political outlook. Let's stop pointing fingers and work together! The fact that I could be "cancelled" for saying a dog is a dog, a woman is a woman, a man is a man, a cat is a cat is just wrong. If we continue to say that fantasy land is a real place, and you can do bad things to others but not have to take the blame, these things will keep happening.
 
Interesting. How old were you when you owned a gun? I wasn’t even a teen yet and had several, my family had guns, my friends and their friends had guns all before teen years. Use to drive to school with a gun or two in the truck. You probably did the same. You never read about a one of us unless it was in the Sunday Sports page. Nobody I know ever used a gun massacre to anybody.

What age do you deem appropriate for firearm ownership?
Fair question. I don’t remember NOT owning a gun. They were kinda like hammers in my family.

Yup, also had a gunrack in the back winder of my ‘72 gmc. Still has the gunrack and probably a gun in it but I haven’t driven it in years. I should go start it.

As for age, I’m not sure. I’ve raised two men past that age, and I have real world experience with 18 yo’s and can say that their emotional brain ain’t quite done growing yet.

I’m pretty sure there’s a segment of every age demographic that shouldn’t own a gun. Take Alec Baldwin for example. So the question becomes WHO shouldn’t and WHY NOT, questions “the right” is a little scared to ponder.
 
Maybe somebody already said this: I wonder how far $40,000,000,000 would go towards security at our public k-12 schools? Or maybe part of the 5.7 TRILLION we wasted trying to get people to stay home from work so they wouldn't catch the Rona, which they caught anyways.
 
Fair question. I don’t remember NOT owning a gun. They were kinda like hammers in my family.

Yup, also had a gunrack in the back winder of my ‘72 gmc. Still has the gunrack and probably a gun in it but I haven’t driven it in years. I should go start it.

As for age, I’m not sure. I’ve raised two men past that age, and I have real world experience with 18 yo’s and can say that their emotional brain ain’t quite done growing yet.

I’m pretty sure there’s a segment of every age demographic that shouldn’t own a gun. Take Alec Baldwin for example. So the question becomes WHO shouldn’t and WHY NOT, questions “the right” is a little scared to ponder.
I adamantly disagree, conservatives and the right want those who are not capable of properly owning firearms not to own them. Every illegal shooting bolsters the radicals and brings on the gun and accessories ban. To think only the left, those like Alec Baldwin care more for innocent life than the right is just shallow thinking.

Are you willing to take all your firearms down today and turn them in to the Police Station? How about take a mental evaluation and if somebody shows you failed the gun owning section would you be willing to turn them in today?
 
I'm numb to these shootings.

The only solution is to keep building caskets and bury the dead before they stink up the place.

Americans need to just accept these shootings as the price of doing business when we place high value on owning firearms and the mighty second.

The best we can all hope for is that the next mass murder doesn't happen to one of us or someone we care about.

Just another day in paradise.
 
Just make school military bases.
Won't happen...
Evil walks among us. Just add 2 cents to your local taxes. That would generate a great deal of state revenue...
Tax the Rich..that could pay for it!!
It most certainly could happen. Cops already frequent schools more than they used to because of this sort of thing. Sounds like we need to increase the time at our schools even more.
 
I'm numb to these shootings.

The only solution is to keep building caskets and bury the dead before they stink up the place.

Americans need to just accept these shootings as the price of doing business when we place high value on owning firearms and the mighty second.

The best we can all hope for is that the next mass murder doesn't happen to one of us or someone we care about.

Just another day in paradise.
Yep you're numb.......an absolutely desensitized statement and completely disrespectful to the losses of lives and their loved ones.
Your comment is disgusting ?
 
Yep you're numb.......an absolutely desensitized statement and completely disrespectful to the losses of lives and their loved ones.
Your comment is disgusting ?
Yep, he goes from one extreme to another, posting all of his trophy kills on here for all to see and then spouting the nonsense above.

Don’t have to like it but I defend his right to do it.
 
I adamantly disagree, conservatives and the right want those who are not capable of properly owning firearms not to own them. Every illegal shooting bolsters the radicals and brings on the gun and accessories ban. To think only the left, those like Alec Baldwin care more for innocent life than the right is just shallow thinking.

Are you willing to take all your firearms down today and turn them in to the Police Station? How about take a mental evaluation and if somebody shows you failed the gun owning section would you be willing to turn them in today?
I MEGA disagree right back. And fyi, it was a lunatic who evaluated my mental fitness when I got my cwp, not that insane people being part of the process is an issue.

Some of you guys need to get your sarcasm meters tuned up.
 
Yep you're numb.......an absolutely desensitized statement and completely disrespectful to the losses of lives and their loved ones.
Your comment is disgusting ?
Bullchit, just a fact and your faux caring isn't fooling anyone.

My comment is reality...try living in it for a while. Columbine, Sandy Hook...tell me what your thoughts, prayers, and faux caring did to change anything? What actions did you take then to prevent the next one? Nothing. The same inaction that you will take with this one...and the next, and the one after.


In a week or so you'll move right on to the next thing you find more important to faux care about right along with the rest of America. Stock market, fuel prices, inflation, crime rate in Chicago, yada yada.

I'm not sorry the facts offend you.
 
This is now the fourth mass shooting in Texas that resulted in over 10 deaths since 2018. Two of them resulted in more than 20 deaths. It's ridiculous that this is happening and can't simply be solved with additional guns and more relaxed gun control laws. If that were the case then Texas would have less mass shootings, not more. There's something else going on here.

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Would it help to require a NFA Tax Stamp to possess AR-15s?

It's ridiculous that silencers are regulated there and they should be purchased OTC, in my opinion, but if it would help to keep AR15s out of the hands of crazy people by having to jump through a few more hoops, I'd be okay with it. I did it for a silencer and it was inconvenient, but really no big deal.

There's no question that the AR platform is the weapon of choice in these mass casualty shootings... and I can totally see why. I'm constantly impressed with mine and the potential lethality when in the right hands.

I'm not saying it's a step that should be taken, but if a longer wait time and filling out additional paperwork would really save these kids lives then I'd be okay with it.

Would (Could?) these loner shooters, usually males under 25yo, get an NFA stamp to buy an AR-15? I don't know.
 
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Bullchit, just a fact and your faux caring isn't fooling anyone.

My comment is reality...try living in it for a while. Columbine, Sandy Hook...tell me what your thoughts, prayers, and faux caring did to change anything? What actions did you take then to prevent the next one? Nothing. The same inaction that you will take with this one...and the next, and the one after.


In a week or so you'll move right on to the next thing you find more important to faux care about right along with the rest of America. Stock market, fuel prices, inflation, crime rate in Chicago, yada yada.

I'm not sorry the facts offend you.

Thanks for your thoughtful response. We are truly enriched by it... :rolleyes:
 
The question was asked why more shootings now than in the 80's? several reasons in my opinion. more people means more problems, simply a matter of chances per million.

We're not the same country we were either, look at the hate right here we can't even have a rational debate about an obvious problem . 40 years ago it would have been much different.

More guns = more shooting. when I was a kid here in rural eastern OR we had an open campus. I always had a rifle & shotgun in the rack in my pickup and a 41 mag under the seat. as did most kids and they were on school property. none of us had a rambo gun and we never really thought about them. we never thought about shooting the school up either nor did we want body armor. now you need all that to be cool so who can be surprised it gets used. and most of all I blame social media, back then if you had a problem you delt with it face but now they trash each other to the breaking point on their phones.

As far as armed teachers get real. the good guy with the gun in Buffalo shot the killer who had rifle plates and for his effort he got his head blown off. the shooter proceeded to kill. yesterday the killer also had body armor and have the agent who killed him not had a rifle how many more kids would have died ? so you really think some 25 year old gall with a 380 is going to take out a killer with full body armor and an AR ? get real.

If more guns was the answer our problem would be getting better or worse. simple as that.

No takers on my poll bet huh ? figured as much.
 
This is now the fourth mass shooting in Texas that resulted in over 10 deaths since 2018. Two of them resulted in more than 20 deaths. It's ridiculous that this is happening and can't simply be solved with additional guns and more relaxed gun control laws. If that were the case then Texas would have less mass shootings, not more. There's something else going on here.

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Would it help to require a NFA Tax Stamp to possess AR-15s?

It's ridiculous that silencers are regulated there and they should be purchased OTC, in my opinion, but if it would help to keep AR15s out of the hands of crazy people by having to jump through a few more hoops, I'd be okay with it. I did it for a silencer and it was inconvenient, but really no big deal.

There's no question that the AR platform is the weapon of choice in these mass casualty shootings... and I can totally see why. I'm constantly impressed with mine and the potential lethality when in the right hands.

I'm not saying it's a step that should be taken, but if a longer wait time and filling out additional paperwork would really save these kids lives then I'd be okay with it.

Would (Could?) these loner shooters, usually males under 25yo, get an NFA stamp to buy an AR-15? I don't know.
What we need is background checks, psych checks and a minimum age of 21 in order to get a social media account. Bet this will put a big dent in mass shootings.
 
This is now the fourth mass shooting in Texas that resulted in over 10 deaths since 2018. Two of them resulted in more than 20 deaths. It's ridiculous that this is happening and can't simply be solved with additional guns and more relaxed gun control laws. If that were the case then Texas would have less mass shootings, not more. There's something else going on here.

____________

Would it help to require a NFA Tax Stamp to possess AR-15s?

It's ridiculous that silencers are regulated there and they should be purchased OTC, in my opinion, but if it would help to keep AR15s out of the hands of crazy people by having to jump through a few more hoops, I'd be okay with it. I did it for a silencer and it was inconvenient, but really no big deal.

There's no question that the AR platform is the weapon of choice in these mass casualty shootings... and I can totally see why. I'm constantly impressed with mine and the potential lethality when in the right hands.

I'm not saying it's a step that should be taken, but if a longer wait time and filling out additional paperwork would really save these kids lives then I'd be okay with it.

Would (Could?) these loner shooters, usually males under 25yo, get an NFA stamp to buy an AR-15? I don't know.
Mass shootings have been going on in this country since the 1700’s.

The weapon of choice for a mass shooter is the HANDGUN.
Handguns
are involved in about 77 percent of mass shootings.
 
If every teacher in the school was trained, armed and proficient, the shooter would just wait until school was out and kids were getting on the bus to go home. I guess armed guards on every bus too? Do we want our kids growing up in that prison type environment? Society is broken and it's heartbreaking.
 
Mass shootings have been going on in this country since the 1700’s.

The weapon of choice for a mass shooter is the HANDGUN.
Handguns
are involved in about 77 percent of mass shootings.
Yet those shootings that involved an AR-15 resulted in 6x the deaths per incident than those not involving an AR-15.

The deadliest shootings overwhelmingly involve AR-15s.
 
The question was asked why more shootings now than in the 80's? several reasons in my opinion. more people means more problems, simply a matter of chances per million.

We're not the same country we were either, look at the hate right here we can't even have a rational debate about an obvious problem . 40 years ago it would have been much different.

More guns = more shooting. when I was a kid here in rural eastern OR we had an open campus. I always had a rifle & shotgun in the rack in my pickup and a 41 mag under the seat. as did most kids and they were on school property. none of us had a rambo gun and we never really thought about them. we never thought about shooting the school up either nor did we want body armor. now you need all that to be cool so who can be surprised it gets used. and most of all I blame social media, back then if you had a problem you delt with it face but now they trash each other to the breaking point on their phones.

As far as armed teachers get real. the good guy with the gun in Buffalo shot the killer who had rifle plates and for his effort he got his head blown off. the shooter proceeded to kill. yesterday the killer also had body armor and have the agent who killed him not had a rifle how many more kids would have died ? so you really think some 25 year old gall with a 380 is going to take out a killer with full body armor and an AR ? get real.

If more guns was the answer our problem would be getting better or worse. simple as that.

No takers on my poll bet huh ? figured as much.

In the 80's, we weren't confused on which bathroom to use or what it meant to have certain reproductive parts. In the 80's, you learned to deal with defeat and disappointment and tried harder next time. In the 80's, you misbehaved and you likely got to see the working end of a paddle on your backside.

Legal gun owners possess approximately 300 million guns and billions of rounds of ammunition. If legal gun owners were the problem, society would know it.

As long as society (us) pretends that pregnancy is a nuisance to be rid of on a whim, this problem will persist. As long as society remains intolerant of others for any view point they may have, this problem will persist. As long as some in society believe it is their duty to brainwash a 7 year old into thinking they are anything other than what gender they are, this problem will persist.

The answer is simple. Any politician today using this event to further an agenda of any kind should be driven out of office by however means necessary.

Edit: Leave it to BuzzH to make a complete ASS of himself as usual...
 
Actually there are bans and laws that would “fix” this. We don’t like them.
no there isn't. the tooth paste is out of the tube. the guns are in the country, this belief that another law would do a thing is by folks who refuse to accept that reality or simply want to leave it out of the equation for political purposes. factors have to be acknowledged to have the full equation. and when you do, bans and laws do nothing to answer it. and that's very inconvenient to anti gun radicals

bans and laws to "fix" this are only practical if all the guns are out of the country. what do you think the body count would be to get there?
 
In the 80's, we weren't confused on which bathroom to use or what it meant to have certain reproductive parts. In the 80's, you learned to deal with defeat and disappointment and tried harder next time. In the 80's, you misbehaved and you likely got to see the working end of a paddle on your backside.

Legal gun owners possess approximately 300 million guns and billions of rounds of ammunition. If legal gun owners were the problem, society would know it.

As long as society (us) pretends that pregnancy is a nuisance to be rid of on a whim, this problem will persist. As long as society remains intolerant of others for any view point they may have, this problem will persist. As long as some in society believe it is their duty to brainwash a 7 year old into thinking they are anything other than what gender they are, this problem will persist.

The answer is simple. Any politician today using this event to further an agenda of any kind should be driven out of office by however means necessary.

Edit: Leave it to BuzzH to make a complete ASS of himself as usual...
BuzzH would be a typical person to fail a psych test.
 
In the 80's, we weren't confused on which bathroom to use or what it meant to have certain reproductive parts. In the 80's, you learned to deal with defeat and disappointment and tried harder next time. In the 80's, you misbehaved and you likely got to see the working end of a paddle on your backside.

Legal gun owners possess approximately 300 million guns and billions of rounds of ammunition. If legal gun owners were the problem, society would know it.

As long as society (us) pretends that pregnancy is a nuisance to be rid of on a whim, this problem will persist. As long as society remains intolerant of others for any view point they may have, this problem will persist. As long as some in society believe it is their duty to brainwash a 7 year old into thinking they are anything other than what gender they are, this problem will persist.

The answer is simple. Any politician today using this event to further an agenda of any kind should be driven out of office by however means necessary.

Edit: Leave it to BuzzH to make a complete ASS of himself as usual...
What a joke...

Keep sending your thoughts and prayers...and red herrings. Keep on pushing your agenda, at the expense of dead school kids. The very thing you're condemning politicians for. Your hypocrisy is duly noted.

I realize its doing your "best".
 
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I'm sure something will change...I mean so much has changed already this year. Oh, wait, what?

 
If every teacher in the school was trained, armed and proficient, the shooter would just wait until school was out and kids were getting on the bus to go home. I guess armed guards on every bus too? Do we want our kids growing up in that prison type environment? Society is broken and it's heartbreaking.
Better to catch them on a field trip, maybe the Zoo or at a Saturday soccer game, Disneyland would be awesome wouldn’t it. I see what you’re saying, that’s why there are many good people out there carrying concealed, to prevent or minimize this type of evil. If Somebody wants to kill they will find a way, knife, vehicle, rock whatever. It doesn’t mean we give up trying to prevent it.

Not too many places you can mention that allow guns on their premises have had a mass shooting right. I remember when the Luby’s shooting really brought the spotlight to the evil that truly exists.
 
Thoughts and prayers don't seem to bring the dead back to life or stop the bullets in the next shooting so I think we can agree they're worthless.

My DT10 was made for sporting clays. my McMillan Dynasty was made for big game hunting. my McWorter was made for long range big game. an AR-15 was made to kill a lot of people fast. that's why they're the mass murderer's weapon of choice. can we at least agree on that ?

Once again armed teachers keeps getting tossed around like dead rat. again, an ex cop security guard in Buffalo engaged the shooter and hit him with his pistol, the shooter had full armor and was unharmed and killed the guard. are we going to have the teachers carry AR's and wear full armor or not ? or do you just want then to get shot first to eliminate the nuisance ? it's a dumb idea and not a solution just accept it. the shooter yesterday also had armor these killers are really getting into it now days. moral of the story is a good guy with a gun is the first to die if he's outgunned.

Everyone says after an event like this the politicians scream for more gun restrictions, exactly and they get to scream a lot. it's been almost 10 years since Sandy hook and NOTHING has been done at all. that's the point we've tried nothing and it hasn't worked. so they scream a lot and justifiably so.

How about passing the background check law 90 % of Americans support ? wouldn't that at least give the illusion of caring ? I'm not sure if this cull would have passed or not but all he needed was a pulse and cash to get the guns he used yesterday. it's inexcusable.
 
I'm sure something will change...I mean so much has changed already this year. Oh, wait, what?

? you sound just like one of those sick depressed psycho mass murderers, oh no, nothing will ever change, life is bad, we can’t do anything about anything, everybody is against me, life’s not fair, nothing will ever change, why even try, it’s so hopeless, boo hoo hoo. Get a grip man.
 
That’s not what you stated.
I don’t think dead cares how he killed you.
Fair enough. I'll restate... The deadliest shootings all involve an AR-15.

Your second sentence is exactly my point. The facts show that ARs are much deadlier per incident. All else being equal, only 1/6 the people would be dead if mass shootings involving ARs were limited to handguns as those that involved an AR were 6x deadlier.

PS. Your statistic of 77% includes those that involved an AR-15 & a handgun. An example of that would be Aurora, Colorado as the shooter used both a handgun and AR-style rifle.
 
? you sound just like one of those sick depressed psycho mass murderers, oh no, nothing will ever change, life is bad, we can’t do anything about anything, everybody is against me, life’s not fair, nothing will ever change, why even try, it’s so hopeless, boo hoo hoo. Get a grip man.
I accept the reality that school shooting have happened, will continue to happen, and Americans don't want to address it.

No reason for you to get all upset about the reality we've created, just live with it and quit whining.

I'll provide the list of what's been done since Columbine and Sandy Hook:

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5. See items 1-4.
 
all this guy needed was a car.... and i guess a pulse and cash to get one

Yeah, and I hope the libs don’t start pointing out it’s even harder to get a license for a car than a gun in most places.
 
all this guy needed was a car.... and i guess a pulse and cash to get one

Was thinking of this incident today.
Gun control is on par with banning cars after that guy killed those people in the parade.

Also, keep in mind that the gun control crowd are the same people that cant define what a woman is -
These are not the planets most intelligent segment of the population.
 
I accept the reality that school shooting have happened, will continue to happen, and Americans don't want to address it.

No reason for you to get all upset about the reality we've created, just live with it and quit whining.

I'll provide the list of what's been done since Columbine and Sandy Hook:

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2.
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5. See items 1-4.
What do you propose? That's not a rhetorical question, I really am wondering what we could actually do to limit mass shootings.

I offered a potential idea above, but, frankly, am at a loss of things we could do to stop this from happening so often.
 
What do you propose? That's not a rhetorical question, I really am wondering what we could actually do to limit mass shootings.

I offered a potential idea above, but, frankly, am at a loss of things we could do to stop this from happening so often.
I've already stated my proposal.

Americans like guns, they don't want limits put on sales, magazine capacity, etc. and they elect people that make sure those desires are not infringed upon.

So, with that fact firmly in place, my proposal is to just keep building caskets, offer thoughts and prayers, and bury the dead.

That's all we've ever done and all the American public has the stomach to continue doing.

Read this thread...it speaks for itself.
 
Thoughts and prayers don't seem to bring the dead back to life or stop the bullets in the next shooting so I think we can agree they're worthless.

My DT10 was made for sporting clays. my McMillan Dynasty was made for big game hunting. my McWorter was made for long range big game. an AR-15 was made to kill a lot of people fast. that's why they're the mass murderer's weapon of choice. can we at least agree on that ?

Once again armed teachers keeps getting tossed around like dead rat. again, an ex cop security guard in Buffalo engaged the shooter and hit him with his pistol, the shooter had full armor and was unharmed and killed the guard. are we going to have the teachers carry AR's and wear full armor or not ? or do you just want then to get shot first to eliminate the nuisance ? it's a dumb idea and not a solution just accept it. the shooter yesterday also had armor these killers are really getting into it now days. moral of the story is a good guy with a gun is the first to die if he's outgunned.

Everyone says after an event like this the politicians scream for more gun restrictions, exactly and they get to scream a lot. it's been almost 10 years since Sandy hook and NOTHING has been done at all. that's the point we've tried nothing and it hasn't worked. so they scream a lot and justifiably so.

How about passing the background check law 90 % of Americans support ? wouldn't that at least give the illusion of caring ? I'm not sure if this cull would have passed or not but all he needed was a pulse and cash to get the guns he used yesterday. it's inexcusable.
Sorry, I have to disagree with you on many points. Prayers do and have helped and will continue to help. The only thing that can bring hope and peace in a time like this is God. The families can look forward to a bright future for many reasons, thanks to Jesus. I see your point in that maybe AR-15s should not be sold so freely. However, I don't think that is the answer at all, and you are smart enough to know it won't solve the problem either. I think the answer is having police at our schools. The left will say we don't want the militarization of our schools. They know that that is the answer but that ruins their agenda for gun control. Let's don't push agendas let's do what's best for kids, put a cop in every school no matter the cost. It can be done and it would not be that hard.
 
Sorry, I have to disagree with you on many points. Prayers do and have helped and will continue to help. The only thing that can bring hope and peace in a time like this is God. The families can look forward to a bright future for many reasons, thanks to Jesus. I see your point in that maybe AR-15s should not be sold so freely. However, I don't think that is the answer at all, and you are smart enough to know it won't solve the problem either. I think the answer is having police at our schools. The left will say we don't want the militarization of our schools. They know that that is the answer but that ruins their agenda for gun control. Let's don't push agendas let's do what's best for kids, put a cop in every school no matter the cost. It can be done and it would not be that hard.
Do we also put police at supermarkets, churches, movie theaters, malls, clubs, etc...?

Really quickly we'd be living in a police state. I don't think we want that either.

I really don't know what the answer is.
 
Sorry, I have to disagree with you on many points. Prayers do and have helped and will continue to help. The only thing that can bring hope and peace in a time like this is God. The families can look forward to a bright future for many reasons, thanks to Jesus. I see your point in that maybe AR-15s should not be sold so freely. However, I don't think that is the answer at all, and you are smart enough to know it won't solve the problem either. I think the answer is having police at our schools. The left will say we don't want the militarization of our schools. They know that that is the answer but that ruins their agenda for gun control. Let's don't push agendas let's do what's best for kids, put a cop in every school no matter the cost. It can be done and it would not be that hard.
Righhhht.

Who funds a cop in a every school?
 
Sorry, I have to disagree with you on many points. Prayers do and have helped and will continue to help. The only thing that can bring hope and peace in a time like this is God. The families can look forward to a bright future for many reasons, thanks to Jesus. I see your point in that maybe AR-15s should not be sold so freely. However, I don't think that is the answer at all, and you are smart enough to know it won't solve the problem either. I think the answer is having police at our schools. The left will say we don't want the militarization of our schools. They know that that is the answer but that ruins their agenda for gun control. Let's don't push agendas let's do what's best for kids, put a cop in every school no matter the cost. It can be done and it would not be that hard.
No, we should make the teachers be cops, because that’s what they signed up for.:rolleyes:

That was sarcasm.
 
I've already stated my proposal.

Americans like guns, they don't want limits put on sales, magazine capacity, etc. and they elect people that make sure those desires are not infringed upon.

So, with that fact firmly in place, my proposal is to just keep building caskets, offer thoughts and prayers, and bury the dead.

That's all we've ever done and all the American public has the stomach to continue doing.

Read this thread...it speaks for itself.
What ego boost did you receive from stating "bury the dead before they stink up the place"?

God forbid you think that about one of your own if it happens to you.....
 
Being from California I don't know any place that doesn't require a background check to buy a gun. I'm willing to implement that if there is a gap someplace. It won't do any good, but let's do it. I don't know how often you read your local newspaper, but here, several people a month are arrested and charged with being a felon in possession of a gun. One guy was charged twice in two months. Released the first time, and probably the second.

And when background checks don't work, what's the plan? Tell me, I can take it.

It seems to me if the state mandates school, the state would be responsible for their security while at the school.
 
i think ive figured out the gun control answer logic. tell me if i got it.

i'm a homicidal maniac that has decided i want to murder 20 kids

i go to walmart to buy my super evil AR -15

oh no! Joe Biden has made them illegal!!!

i grab a fishing pole instead, forget my murderous rage and go see if the trout are biting

that about it? sounds plausible. living in fairy tail land must be comforting
 
Sorry, I have to disagree with you on many points. Prayers do and have helped and will continue to help. The only thing that can bring hope and peace in a time like this is God. The families can look forward to a bright future for many reasons, thanks to Jesus. I see your point in that maybe AR-15s should not be sold so freely. However, I don't think that is the answer at all, and you are smart enough to know it won't solve the problem either. I think the answer is having police at our schools. The left will say we don't want the militarization of our schools. They know that that is the answer but that ruins their agenda for gun control. Let's don't push agendas let's do what's best for kids, put a cop in every school no matter the cost. It can be done and it would not be that hard.
You forget, the left wants to defund the police. This solution goes the opposite way. They also feel its okay to kill kids, just so long as they haven't left the delivery room yet.
 
i think ive figured out the gun control answer logic. tell me if i got it.

i'm a homicidal maniac that has decided i want to murder 20 kids

i go to walmart to buy my super evil AR -15

oh no! Joe Biden has made them illegal!!!

i grab a fishing pole instead, forget my murderous rage and go see if the trout are biting

that about it? sounds plausible. living in fairy tail land must be comforting
Hey now, sleepy Joe doesn't want to make the illegal for everyone, just us. He left 400k M16's for the Taliban and also just sent 40 Billion to Ukraine so they can arm themselves.
 
What ego boost did you receive from stating "bury the dead before they stink up the place"?

God forbid you think that about one of your own if it happens to you.....
What else is ever done?

It may very well be one of my own, or your own...I hope not, but we just have to assume the risk along with everyone else.

Nothing changes. Not accepting reality is a you problem.
 
What else is ever done?

It may very well be one of my own, or your own...I hope not, but we just have to assume the risk along with everyone else.

Nothing changes. Not accepting reality is a you problem.
You're completely missing my point.....never mind.
 
Prayers do not help that's a fact the shooter proved yesterday. because we have lots of prayers every time this happens and it keeps happening. so get over that it's nonsense.

Buzz you're on the right track but you're wrong about one major point and it's important. you say Americans are not willing to address the problem but that's not correct, the majority are but they're being held hostage by the minority.

Since it's obvious nobody is going to take my wager I'll post the polling averages. 89% of americans support the background check bill. but the NRA and senate republicans have blocked every attempt to pass anything. so the fact is 11% of Americans oppose this move. other laws have majority support as well but not as overwhelming.

If all this was on the ballot rather than in the hands of clowns working for the gun lobby it would all pass this November. so at some point majority will rule but a lot more kids are going to get buried before we get there.

I can't agree with all of them until I see the language in the bill. but I agree with trying to reach an agreement and for now the minority has taken that off the table.

 
Tog is right. A teacher would need some heavy weaponry to go up against someone wearing armor. That’s where it could get difficult. We all know if they had a minimum of a 308 AR 10, it could be a real help. 150 grain is better than 55 grain. But you shouldn’t want them to have the minimum. That’s one reason I like AR rifles. If I have one in my house, I know I will do well because chances are I out gun most threats and I like that roll of the dice. So with teachers, supply them with 30-06 AR rifles. I think they make them now. Forget handguns. If handguns were so good in combat, we would give our troops handguns instead or rifles.
 
Prayers do not help that's a fact the shooter proved yesterday. because we have lots of prayers every time this happens and it keeps happening. so get over that it's nonsense.

Buzz you're on the right track but you're wrong about one major point and it's important. you say Americans are not willing to address the problem but that's not correct, the majority are but they're being held hostage by the minority.

Since it's obvious nobody is going to take my wager I'll post the polling averages. 89% of americans support the background check bill. but the NRA and senate republicans have blocked every attempt to pass anything. so the fact is 11% of Americans oppose this move. other laws have majority support as well but not as overwhelming.

If all this was on the ballot rather than in the hands of clowns working for the gun lobby it would all pass this November. so at some point majority will rule but a lot more kids are going to get buried before we get there.

I can't agree with all of them until I see the language in the bill. but I agree with trying to reach an agreement and for now the minority has taken that off the table.

Sorry Tog. We will never agree.
 
Do we also put police at supermarkets, churches, movie theaters, malls, clubs, etc...?

Really quickly we'd be living in a police state. I don't think we want that either.

I really don't know what the answer is.
No but I think a school full of innocent little kids is the most precious thing in this world, and takes precedence over anything else. We can put cops in there and stop this nonsense and you know it and I know it.
 
How about America? You act like it's impossible. Not impossible at all in fact it could easily be done if we wanted to.
Your elected officials don't want to...game, set, match and you'll vote for the same ones again come November.

Good luck with that.
 
Your elected officials don't want to...game, set, match and you'll vote for the same ones again come November.

Good luck with that.
There are some elected officials that want just that. It has been discussed in school board meetings. Should we elect the officials that want to defund the police and kill the children before they're even born?
 
No but I think a school full of innocent little kids is the most precious thing in this world, and takes precedence over anything else. We can put cops in there and stop this nonsense and you know it and I know it.
Must not be that precious or those things would already have been in place after Columbine and Sandy Hook...but they aren't.
 
There are some elected officials that want just that. It has been discussed in school board meetings. Should we elect the officials that wanted to defund wi the police and kill the children before they're even born?
Demand more from your own party...if they don't comply throw them out
 
I don't suppose we will. but something to think about, Putin is a Christian and I'm sure he's praying for victory in the Ukraine. neither of you seem to be having much success with that so I can only conclude god is too busy not existing to help either of you. in any event we should be able to agree it's not working at least.

So as a defense of the man card guns we're going to use pictures of the shooter in a tutu and talk about how crazy he has to have been. I'm not a lawyer but that doesn't seem like the best slant since you fully support selling him two of them on his 18th birthday with all the hi cap mags and ammo he could afford.

Please define your strategy of selling a bitchit kid these weapons legally as proof we don't have any control over where these guns go and who gets them. cause I ain't buying it and I don't think anyone is.
 
Must not be that precious or those things would already have been in place after Columbine and Sandy Hook...but they aren't.
Both Sandy Hook and Columbine happened with the left in control, who are the same ones crying to take away the guns. It makes you wonder if they really care about fixing the problem, or just using it for their own political advantages. You know, "never let a good crisis go to waste" and all.
 
Buzz my party has always been and currently is Republican , though Reagan republicans seems to have fully been purged from the new skinhead party that replaced it so I'll become an independent this fall.

The democrats are too weak and dumb to accomplish this alone. plus the fact they cannot they don't have the votes. if they changed the filibuster or did a mass of executive orders most it would only hold until January and then we'd swing back the other way so far grade school kids would be able to buy grenades at Walmart. no this must be bipartisan there is no other way constitutionally .

So the plan is to turn all schools into Alcatraz to protect kids from batchits with legally bought rambo guns then griz ? then all I can say is well done you sure made America great again for sure.
 
I don't suppose we will. but something to think about, Putin is a Christian and I'm sure he's praying for victory in the Ukraine. neither of you seem to be having much success with that so I can only conclude god is too busy not existing to help either of you. in any event we should be able to agree it's not working at least.

So as a defense of the man card guns we're going to use pictures of the shooter in a tutu and talk about how crazy he has to have been. I'm not a lawyer but that doesn't seem like the best slant since you fully support selling him two of them on his 18th birthday with all the hi cap mags and ammo he could afford.

Please define your strategy of selling a bitchit kid these weapons legally as proof we don't have any control over where these guns go and who gets them. cause I ain't buying it and I don't think anyone is.
I believe you don't see God in the proper light. You think because you pray nothing bad should happen and he will save you from everything you would ever have to go through this life. That's not the point of it all. How do we grow without trials. He will help you see them for what they are and have a understanding that you could not have otherwise. He will bring things to your mind and you will be able to see things more clearly. You will be led to Information and Solutions you could not find otherwise. One I hope you will see this for yourself.
 
Yep because the left doesn't want to militarize schools. They want to push their anti-gun agenda.
Bullchit...republicans have held a majority in that time frame. They didn't do anything either.

That's why things don't change...party over policy at all costs, including dead children at school.
 
Buzz my party has always been and currently is Republican , though Reagan republicans seems to have fully been purged from the new skinhead party that replaced it so I'll become an independent this fall.

The democrats are too weak and dumb to accomplish this alone. plus the fact they cannot they don't have the votes. if they changed the filibuster or did a mass of executive orders most it would only hold until January and then we'd swing back the other way so far grade school kids would be able to buy grenades at Walmart. no this must be bipartisan there is no other way constitutionally .

So the plan is to turn all schools into Alcatraz to protect kids from batchits with legally bought rambo guns then griz ? then all I can say is well done you sure made America great again for sure.
Lets take a vote of all the parents on this site. I guarantee that most of them vote for having a cop in their schools to protect their kids. I'm also willing to bet they wouldn't mind putting up some money for it either. Do you want to bet on this? I don't think having one cop at the school or even a few cops for that matter is going to turn it into Alcatraz. What do you say do you want to bet on it?
 
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Bullchit...republicans have held a majority in that time frame. They didn't do anything either.

That's why things don't change...party over policy at all costs, including dead children at school.
Buzz that's true I'm calling BS on both parties. That's why I like Trump he was loyal to no one but the American people. Maybe it's the Left maybe it's the right I'll give you that. However, either way we could get it done, we need to get it done. No excuses from either party let's just get it done. But don't act like it's impossible
 
Be realistic. let's get really redundant maybe it'll sink in this time.

In Buffalo there was a retired cop who engaged the shooter as he entered the store. the shooter was hit but his body armour protected him and he killed the retired cop/security guard.

We're not talking about kids with BB guns in T shirts we're talking about people with military equipment. so unless you have about 2 million robo cops we really have a problem .

The guard will be the first to die. if he survives there is a chance he could make a difference if everything goes great. so, do you feel lucky today kids ? let's roll the dice it's Wednesday in America.
 
Tog is right. A teacher would need some heavy weaponry to go up against someone wearing armor. That’s where it could get difficult. We all know if they had a minimum of a 308 AR 10, it could be a real help. 150 grain is better than 55 grain. But you shouldn’t want them to have the minimum. That’s one reason I like AR rifles. If I have one in my house, I know I will do well because chances are I out gun most threats and I like that roll of the dice. So with teachers, supply them with 30-06 AR rifles. I think they make them now. Forget handguns. If handguns were so good in combat, we would give our troops handguns instead or rifles.
I agree partially, but.....any shooter regardless of what they are packing are going to think really hard about entering a school where multiple staff are armed.
Why do you think they shoot them up in the first place?
The cowards know they can....
 
Lets take a vote of all the parents on this site. I guarantee that most of them vote for having a cop in their schools to protect their kids. I'm also willing to bet they wouldn't mind putting up some money for it either. Do you want to bet on this? I don't think having one top at the school or even a few cops for that matter is going to turn it into Alcatraz. What do you say do you want to bet on it?
ive said this before. was told its impossible. maybe it is. heres my personal experience

earlier this year at my daughters high school these was a boy infatuated with her. she did not feel the same. after letting him know this he started to act erratically at the site and violently towards my daughters friends. my daughter told me this and her friend who is very close to the family told me he said something about shooting himself over it. this school has an assigned resource officer (cop) i immediately contacted him and the local police department. the student was pulled form school, the police did a welfare check on the house, let the parents know and we persisted with the police department and school administration until the student was expelled and restraining orders were in place. police presence remand at the school as well as access control.

been most of the school year now. no incident, and the local police know who the kid is still. i really hope the kid got help, but what i care about is my daughter and the kids at school stayed safe.

perfect solution? nope, that kid could go full nanners and start shooting up any time any place. better then nothing and giving the kids a chance to be safe? yup.

i dont care what it costs. there should be a full time officer, armed and trained at every school in this country. that would prevent far more even attempts at this then calling a gun thats already out there illegal and patting our selves on the back
 
Be realistic. let's get really redundant maybe it'll sink in this time.

In Buffalo there was a retired cop who engaged the shooter as he entered the store. the shooter was hit but his body armour protected him and he killed the retired cop/security guard.

We're not talking about kids with BB guns in T shirts we're talking about people with military equipment. so unless you have about 2 million robo cops we really have a problem .

The guard will be the first to die. if he survives there is a chance he could make a difference if everything goes great. so, do you feel lucky today kids ? let's roll the dice it's Wednesday in America.
You think this coward would have came into the school with a heavily armed cop there to fight back? Let's not act like these cowards are Jason Bourne type fellas. Come on now be realistic.
 
ive said this before. was told its impossible. maybe it is. heres my personal experience

earlier this year at my daughters high school these was a boy infatuated with her. she did not feel the same. after letting him know this he started to act erratically at the site and violently towards my daughters friends. my daughter told me this and her friend who is very close to the family told me he said something about shooting himself over it. this school has an assigned resource officer (cop) i immediately contacted him and the local police department. the student was pulled form school, the police did a welfare check on the house, let the parents know and we persisted with the police department and school administration until the student was expelled and restraining orders were in place. police presence remand at the school as well as access control.

been most of the school year now. no incident, and the local police know who the kid is still. i really hope the kid got help, but what i care about is my daughter and the kids at school stayed safe.

perfect solution? nope, that kid could go full nanners and start shooting up any time any place. better then nothing and giving the kids a chance to be safe? yup.

i dont care what it costs. there should be a full time officer, armed and trained at every school in this country. that would prevent far more even attempts at this then calling a gun thats already out there illegal and patting our selves on the back
Quit making so much sense. Some people on this thread will not stand for it! ?
 
Everybody who bought into the FAKE NEWS that the shooter was the transgender person whose pics were posted above should be ashamed of themselves.

You all get on your high horse about the dangers of social media yet you believe the lies you see there every day... even when your feeds are repeatedly proved to be lies.

I'd be embarrassed if I were to get sucked into believing and spreading a lie because I was so badly wanting to demonize a group of people.

Look how many of the far right spread that very lie. Everybody from conservative commentators to sitting members of Congress fell for FAKE NEWS.

That transgender person is named Sam and lives in Georgia. The pictures were copied from an old reddit thread.

I hope that some of you will learn a lesson about not believing the lies you get told on your social media feeds. But you won't.




 
Everybody who bought into the FAKE NEWS that the shooter was the transgender person whose pics were posted above should be ashamed of themselves.

You all get on your high horse about the dangers of social media yet you believe the lies you see there every day... even when your feeds are repeatedly proved to be lies.

I'd be embarrassed if I were to get sucked into believing and spreading a lie because I was so badly wanting to demonize a group of people.

Look how many of the far right spread that very lie. Everybody from conservative commentators to sitting members of Congress fell for FAKE NEWS.

That transgender person is named Sam and lives in Georgia. The pictures were copied from an old reddit thread.

I hope that some of you will learn a lesson about not believing the lies you get told on your social media feeds. But you won't.





I’m glad I didn’t believe it. It seemed too convenient, too fast. Plus, I would have never pegged the person in the picture as a killer. Not in that outfit.
 
What do you do when a meteor falls from the sky on the school ? Geez don’t be so frigging stupid

No. You need to get your head out of your rear and think.

Armed teachers. Take away guns. More campus police. Everyone has ideas on how to combat this issue but no one is dealing directly with the issue.

Do you know who the worst mass murderers usually are??? Believe it or not they are usually airline pilots. That's right. They kill hundreds at a time. One just a month ago.

These are people that we put our lives and safety completely within their hands.

So if you don't think a school officer isn't going to slip through the cracks, MORE THAN ONCE, and go on a shooting spree you are a fool.

You better be ready to solve the problems your solutions make.
 
No. You need to get your head out of your rear and think.

Armed teachers. Take away guns. More campus police. Everyone has ideas on how to combat this issue but no one is dealing directly with the issue.

Do you know who the worst mass murderers usually are??? Believe it or not they are usually airline pilots. That's right. They kill hundreds at a time. One just a month ago.

These are people that we put our lives and safety completely within their hands.

So if you don't think a school officer isn't going to slip through the cracks, MORE THAN ONCE, and go on a shooting spree you are a fool.

You better be ready to solve the problems your solutions make.
What in the heck are you talking about? I guess it isn't to early to drink in Texas
 
I accept the reality that school shooting have happened, will continue to happen, and Americans don't want to address it.

No reason for you to get all upset about the reality we've created, just live with it and quit whining.

I'll provide the list of what's been done since Columbine and Sandy Hook:

1.
2.
3.
4.
5. See items 1-4.
If children being murdered by the dozens doesn’t upset you than my previous post about you was right on the money. You have no idea what’s been done, if people are like you where you live I’m sure nothing is ever done about anything.
 

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