Rob Shaul Summary of Task Force Happening... BUZZ??

jm77 said:
I hope you are telling the TF that.
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Right from the get go I have been leaving comments to the TF no transferable landowner tags and no sit aside outfitter tags. We all no the outfitters gave up the 90/10 way to easy and they where going to want sum thing in return it just took a little longer than I expected...And I have done the best that I can do to spread the word.. Do U really think leaving comments to this task force is going to do any good at this point? I imagine they have gotten quite a few comments about landowner tags and outfitter tags up to this point..
 
Conrad8899 said:
Right from the get go I have been leaving comments to the TF no transferable landowner tags and no sit aside outfitter tags. We all no the outfitters gave up the 90/10 way to easy and they where going to want sum thing in return it just took a little longer than I expected...And I have done the best that I can do to spread the word.. Do U really think leaving comments to this task force is going to do any good at this point? I imagine they have gotten quite a few comments about landowner tags and outfitter tags up to this point..
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I am skeptical, given what the TF has done so far, that they are swayed by public comment. I honestly believe they are now driven to get something done, no matter the consequences. This is really scary considering the ideas that have been brought forth. That said, keep commenting anyway. It shows involvement.

The draft legislation in TRW about splitting deer needs to be defeated. It's useless legislation and will cause more harm than good. After it survived the first joint committee meeting with all the opposition, it's clear the TF is getting special treatment. They are not experts and in many cases members don't understand the subjects. It's time they take a loss on a bad recommendation.
 
The TF was doomed from the start. Their vision all along was to put more money (tags) in their pockets and screw whoever needed screwing to reach that goal. Once Sly got involved I knew it would end poorly. SnS Outfitters= Sly n Shady.

If you NR really want to make a difference boycott anything to do with SnS Outfitters. Put up or shut up.....tell a friend.
 
DoubleDropMuley said:
I don’t know why the TF don’t just leave a comment page up all the time, I see it’s already shut down until after the next meeting !!
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Your legislator's email accounts are still open. They're way more likely to listen to their constituents. The TF really have no one to answer to besides themselves. TF can't do too much without legislation. Chad Banks will email you back within a day, usually. So will Kolb. I haven't gotten a response from Burt, but he's new, so I give him a pass. Once. They will all be hearing from me again.
 
Here's a couple more Ron Shaul updates:

www.307hunter.com

Current "Grand Compromise" would Give Resident Hunters just an additional 1,027 Buck Deer, Bull Elk and Buck Antelope Tags — 307Hunter.com

Current "Grand Compromise" would Give Resident Hunters just an additional 1,027 Buck Deer, Bull Elk and Buck Antelope Tags I spent the last couple of days crunching numbers in an attempt to assess what the current form of the "Grand Compromise" would do for resident hunters in
www.307hunter.com www.307hunter.com

www.307hunter.com

Proposed 40% "Outfitter Draw" would Guarantee Outfitters 10,500 + Nonresident Clients Annually — 307Hunter.com

Wyoming's outfitting industry would be guaranteed over 10,500 nonresident hunting clients, annually, under the 40% "Outfitter Draw" which is part of the Wyoming Wildlife Task Force's proposed "grand compromise" between outfitters and resident hunters. These guaranteed nonreside
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One of the titles is:

Proposed 40% "Outfitter Draw" would Guarantee Outfitters 10,500 + Nonresident Clients Annually​


The other title is:

Current "Grand Compromise" would Give Resident Hunters just an additional 1,027 Buck Deer, Bull Elk and Buck Antelope Tags​


The sad part about it is Wyo res hunters really wouldn't gain many tags and public nonres hunters loose an incredible chunk of tags. According to Bruce's title, outfitters will be guaranteed 10,500+ tags annually?
 
I support the 3 year wait period for residents. The remainder is a shortsighted knee-jerk approach drafted by people with a limited understanding of budgeting and economics.
 
I agree that waiting periods don't work when there are gobs of applicants for only a handful of tags. Nevada's population in 2022 is 3,238,601 vs Wyoming's 581,813 population. My guess is that Wyo issues a heck of a lot more deer, elk, and antelope tags to fewer residents than Nevada? It doesn't take a statistician to figure out draw odds will be a lot better with a waiting period for Wyo residents!

I also agree that the current TF waiting period option they are considering for only 30%+ draw odd units is not a smart option! I would rather not have a waiting period than using the scenario they suggest. I agree with others that this will likely make easier draw units tougher to draw. If the Task Force advised for all limited units instead of just tough draw units to go to a waiting period than that will spread out the draw pressure and make a lot more sense.

Wyo res don't have a pref pt system in place for d/e/a. Nonres have a pref pt system already in place for those species and there are a lot more nonres vying for only a handful of tags. Nonres waiting periods don't make a whole lot of sense for a for d/e/a when there is already a pref pt system in place.

Wyo res draw odds for high demand antelope units are already good to excellent in most units. I really don't think a waiting period is needed for Wyo res antelope.....deer and elk are different though because these are higher demand with fewer tags.

Waiting periods make sense for Wyo res that complain about their neighbor or others that draw 2 or more limited tags in a short amount of time. Those Wyo res that don't draw have a better chance to draw with waiting periods. Wyo doesn't have as many Wyo res vying for tags so waiting periods work pretty well. Someone mentioned that Wyo's population growth is super low so that will also help odds in future years.

It's really up to Wyo res to decide if they mind guys drawing multiple limited tags in a short about of time ? If this bugs you and you seem to never be able to draw limited tags a waiting period for all units may make sense? Your draw odds will likely improve.

If you are totally in favor of hunters drawing multiple tags in a short period of time and everyone having the same playing field in regard to drawing 1 or multiple tags than no waiting period is the way to go! Just don't be upset when your neighbor draws several tags in a row!
 
Those who drafted this bill FULLY understand the budgeting and economics of it and that’s why they want 40% of all those licenses going to the Outfitter Industry. A massive economic boon to them. Terrible for the NR DIY hunter. Trying to interject your opinion on what Residents have to do like waiting 3 years when you are a NR is nosy, pushy and interjecting your opinion where it has no business. As a NR I fully support whatever the Residents of Wyoming decide.
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I support the 3 year wait period for residents. The remainder is a shortsighted knee-jerk approach drafted by people with a limited understanding of budgeting and economics.
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IDbullz said:
Those who drafted this bill FULLY understand the budgeting and economics of it and that’s why they want 40% of all those licenses going to the Outfitter Industry. A massive economic boon to them. Terrible for the NR DIY hunter. Trying to interject your opinion on what Residents have to do like waiting 3 years when you are a NR is nosy, pushy and interjecting your opinion where it has no business. As a NR I fully support whatever the Residents of Wyoming decide.
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Nope and lol. And no matter how much you suckle on at the teet of the R you are and will be nothing but a $$$$ sign to them. Btw these TF guys are farmers and ranchers, not economists. I’m sure they can balance their own checkbooks but it is scary to let them run wild with the G&F finances.
 
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Savage110 said:
Nope and lol. And no matter how much you suckle on at the teet of the R you are and will be nothing but a $$$$ sign to them. Btw these TF guys are farmers and ranchers, not economists. I’m sure they can balance their own checkbooks but it is scary to let them run wild with the G&F finances.
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I totally agree, they are only enriching their own pockets but you trying to interject your pushy agenda into things which don’t concern you only display your arrogance and/or Ignorance of how Wyoming residents like or dislike waiting periods. Why would you even care, it affects you in zero aspects as they have their own draw pool, they don’t even compete with us NR? Sad when people try and be so nosy and pushy in things which don’t concern them.
 
IDbullz said:
I totally agree, they are only enriching their own pockets but you trying to interject your pushy agenda into things which don’t concern you only display your arrogance and/or Ignorance of how Wyoming residents like or dislike waiting periods. Why would you even care, it affects you in zero aspects as they have their own draw pool, they don’t even compete with us NR? Sad when people try and be so nosy and pushy in things which don’t concern them.
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If you hang around this forum for a while you will totally understand that the "nosy and pushy" part for him is just a warmup.
 
One thing I’ve heard over and over again from Wyo res buddies over the years is they are frustrated when their neighbors draw multiple tags in a short period of time while they sit on the couch wishing they could draw a tag. Waiting periods are a viable option to at least discuss and consider…that’s all I’ve tried to point out.

I’m not exactly sure what is wrong with providing solid advice? Some of the early tables and suggestions I provided were actually picked up and used by tf members. Believe it or not, sometimes others have meaningful advice that benefits everyone.

Its obvious that a few Wyo res on this website are totally close minded about outside advice even though it may make a lot of sense. They also do everything in their power to twist and turn things to make “outsider’s” advice sound intrusive and invalid.

Like I’ve been saying all along the tf has many of the detailed facts, tables, and charts in front of them. Like I’ve also been saying all along, Wyo res better watch their backs! Any change that takes place may be at the expense of both diy/oyo res and nonres hunters!

The tf sure spend a lot of time listening to outfitter/landowner interests and suggestions. From what I've seen from the outside looking in, the outfitters/landowners certainly have their act together at meetings. How much time is actually spent listening to Wyo res and nonres DIY/OYO public hunter opportunity and interests? Too bad diy/oyo hunters can’t work together rather than tearing each other apart!
 
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jims said:
One thing I’ve heard over and over again from Wyo res buddies over the years is they are frustrated when their neighbors draw multiple tags in a short period of time while they sit on the couch wishing they could draw a tag. Waiting periods are a viable option to at least discuss and consider…that’s all I’ve tried to point out.

I’m not exactly sure what is wrong with providing solid advice? Some of the early tables and suggestions I provided were actually picked up and used by tf members. Believe it or not, sometimes others have meaningful advice that benefits everyone.

Its obvious that a few Wyo res on this website are totally close minded about outside advice even though it may make a lot of sense. They also do everything in their power to twist and turn things to make “outsider’s” advice sound intrusive and invalid.

Like I’ve been saying all along the tf has many of the detailed facts, tables, and charts in front of them. Like I’ve also been saying all along, Wyo res better watch their backs! Any change that takes place may be at the expense of both diy/oyo res and nonres hunters!

The tf sure spend a lot of time listening to outfitter/landowner interests and suggestions. From what I've seen from the outside looking in, the outfitters/landowners certainly have their act together at meetings. How much time is actually spent listening to Wyo res and nonres DIY/OYO public hunter opportunity and interests? Too bad diy/oyo hunters can’t work together rather than tearing each other apart!
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Cliff notes version for everyone that doesn’t want to read the dribble:

My name is Jims and I constantly flip flop who I support on wildlife issues based on what I have to gain from it. Other hobbies besides hunting are arts and crafts where I make charts. My weakness is the data I put in these charts but for someone who rode a bus lacking length I’m making it work.
 
SS! said:
Cliff notes version for everyone that doesn’t want to read the dribble:

My name is Jims and I constantly flip flop who I support on wildlife issues based on what I have to gain from it. Other hobbies besides hunting are arts and crafts where I make charts. My weakness is the data I put in these charts but for someone who rode a bus lacking length I’m making it work.
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So, is the phrase “short bus” political incorrect these days???
 
jm77 said:
If you hang around this forum for a while you will totally understand that the "nosy and pushy" part for him is just a warmup.
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Amazing that someone would offer their opinion on a web forum when it is expected to simply be an echo chamber for a few individuals. I have withheld my opinions on cheatgrass up until now but I am reconsidering my decision.
 
Savage110 said:
Amazing that someone would offer their opinion on a web forum when it is expected to simply be an echo chamber for a few individuals. I have withheld my opinions on cheatgrass up until now but I am reconsidering my decision.
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Amazing that someone would expect their opinion on a web forum matters when they're unaffected by the outcome. I would be more curious of those opinions, either way, if you weren't hiding behind the keyboard.
 
jm77 said:
Amazing that someone would expect their opinion on a web forum matters when they're unaffected by the outcome. I would be more curious of those opinions, either way, if you weren't hiding behind the keyboard.
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He's upset residents want 90/10 and now he's throwing a temper tantrum, because he may lose out on tags. My 4 year olds act the same at times when they don't get their way.
 
You never know, I may be Buzz or JM’s neighbor soon. I’m getting close to retirement age. What better place to retire than a state like Wyo that offers its residents so many big game options and opportunity…even with current tag quotas and allocations.

Even better, I may need to save up and buy a 120 acre tract that qualifies for landowner tags so I can pick up licenses every year before the public draw!!!
 
jims said:
You never know, I may be Buzz or JM’s neighbor soon. I’m getting close to retirement age. What better place to retire than a state like Wyo that offers its residents so many big game options and opportunity…even with current tag quotas and allocations.

Even better, I may need to save up and buy a 120 acre tract that qualifies for landowner tags so I can pick up licenses every year before the public draw!!!
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That's really how bright you are Sebastian....good luck getting landowner tags on your 120 acres.

You really are 40 acres short of a quarter section, no doubt about it.

You really do need to stick to cheatgrass.

I'm not worried about you being my neighbor, houses are out of your price range.
 
IDbullz said:
I totally agree, they are only enriching their own pockets but you trying to interject your pushy agenda into things which don’t concern you only display your arrogance and/or Ignorance of how Wyoming residents like or dislike waiting periods. Why would you even care, it affects you in zero aspects as they have their own draw pool, they don’t even compete with us NR? Sad when people try and be so nosy and pushy in things which don’t concern them.
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I am a stakeholder. I can express my views.
 
jims said:
You never know, I may be Buzz or JM’s neighbor soon. I’m getting close to retirement age. What better place to retire than a state like Wyo that offers its residents so many big game options and opportunity…even with current tag quotas and allocations.

Even better, I may need to save up and buy a 120 acre tract that qualifies for landowner tags so I can pick up licenses every year before the public draw!!!
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Wow I thought you were retired already. It was all making sense with mixing numbers up, jibberish posts, easily angered. I thought you were in your 80s and had lost your mind.

It’s mind blowing. Even the one hunting pic of you on the internet from years ago makes you look 80. Stress has aged you, terribly.

I hope you get to enjoy retirement Jims. Try not to get too worked up about things, it’s bad on the heart.

Cheatgrass is here to stay.

That was a test, calm down. Count to 5 and go get a few punches in on your BuzzH punching bag you had made.
 
elkocd said:
Reading the WY forum is like reading social media posts of a bunch of teenage girls. Do you guys talk about hunting or just like to cat fight?
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We shoot cow elk in Wyoming, that's beneath your standards.

I suggest you look elsewhere for other ocd experts.
 
No shortage of non residents pleading their case on there in short novels under the "other public comment" link. If they read about 3 of those that would take up the whole meeting I'm sure they'll read every one of them carefully ?
 
Wiszard said:
I can tell you what....Pats Meats in Mills and High Country Meats will certainly have a big loss of revenue. Has Wy F and G thought about the little guys like that? They rely on hundreds of NR hunters to process their game from Sept to November....looks like they'll need to tighten that household budget a bit. It is sad what Wyoming is doing.
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Just raise their price like game and fish does to make up for the loss of money
 
Sounds like that the grand compromise has backfired on the outfitters side! All diy/oyo nonres hunters can thank pat crank for his support in the last tf meeting. My guess is the outfitters and landowners are formulating a new plan as we speak.

I think the tf members are getting pretty darn burned out. Status quo sure sounds good right now.
 
jims said:
Sounds like that the grand compromise has backfired on the outfitters side! All diy/oyo nonres hunters can thank pat crank for his support in the last tf meeting. My guess is the outfitters and landowners are formulating a new plan as we speak.

I think the tf members are getting pretty darn burned out. Status quo sure sounds good right now.
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Explain this?
 
treedagain said:
Explain this?
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Rob Shaul released a summary of the last TF meeting. His take was the Grand Compromise was all but dead. Especially anything to do with the outfitter set aside or draw. Pat Crank stood up and spoke out against the set side stating they had 7,000 plus NR comments against and the overwhelming majority of resident comments were against any set aside.

Seems to be grid lock on the TF and the wheels are just kind of spinning...
 
elks96 said:
…. Pat Crank stood up and spoke out against the set side stating they had 7,000 plus NR comments against and the overwhelming majority of resident comments were against any set aside…..
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I’d like to thank any residents who commented they oppose set asides and any NR who commented too. Though each block has their interests, which might not be fully the same, we do need to work together to oppose bad policies like this, and to promote issues like public access, habitat preservation and enhancement, migration corridors, public-private partnerships, HMA, walk-in, etc. Even quotas, allocations, and fees. This does not mean advocating for “me! me! me! me!” no matter who you are. That’s the hard part, and the rift that keeps getting exploited by interest groups seeking to divide hunters’ voices. R and NR can coexist fairly, if only we’d allow ourselves. Glad there are still some points of agreement, hoping it works out as this moves to folks making decisions.
 
elks96 said:
Rob Shaul released a summary of the last TF meeting. His take was the Grand Compromise was all but dead. Especially anything to do with the outfitter set aside or draw. Pat Crank stood up and spoke out against the set side stating they had 7,000 plus NR comments against and the overwhelming majority of resident comments were against any set aside.

Seems to be grid lock on the TF and the wheels are just kind of spinning...
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From Bookhead, post #133:

No shortage of non residents pleading their case on there in short novels under the "other public comment" link. If they read about 3 of those that would take up the whole meeting I'm sure they'll read every one of them carefully ?"

Hey Bookhead, looks like the TF can (and did) read!
 
Katoom hit the nail on the head! There certainly are a lot of important policies that both res and nonres can promote together that will ultimately benefit wildlife. Currently the RMEF and other organizations support a lot of game improvement projects throughout the West. These groups are made up of both res and nonres members. Hopefully nonres interest isn’t lost as members get shut out of hunt opportunity. More game means more tags available for all!

CWD policy in both Colo and Wyo is a prime example! Just think how many fewer tags will be available in both states with some of the cwd policy. Katoom listed several other great policy options where res and nonres can support together.
 
@elks96 I wouldn't be making any assumptions at this point no matter what Rob Shaul is writing. Shaul actually favors the outfitter draw as a trade-off for 90/10. He doesn't believe it will affect residents. He is wrong on that one.

Either way, the TF is against the wall on time and they will vote on this stupid "grand compromise" in August. Only Crank and Teten spoke against the outfitter drawing and that leaves 16 other members who can vote for it. The idea these issues aren't vetted individually is ludicrous.

The TF is going to ask again for public comments on these combined issues and there will be a huge push by the outfitters to get comments in their direction. The new outfitter/landowner draw will use 50% of NR licenses. Anything is still possible with the TF and I can only pray for the future to never include this kind of mechanism on wildlife and hunting related issues again.
 
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Savage110 said:
From Bookhead, post #133:

No shortage of non residents pleading their case on there in short novels under the "other public comment" link. If they read about 3 of those that would take up the whole meeting I'm sure they'll read every one of them carefully ?"

Hey Bookhead, looks like the TF can (and did) read!
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I doubt it. But I did comment against outfitter set asides. Your welcome
 
Bookhead said:
I doubt it. But I did comment against outfitter set asides. Your welcome
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I know for a fact Pat Crank read each and every comment. Reading is FUNdamental. I read all the posted comments, and if I recall even Shaul was against it in his comment. Seemed doomed from the start but I’m sure the outfitters (let’s be like NM!) aren’t done trying.
 
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Savage110 said:
I know for a fact Pat Crank read each and every comment. Reading is FUNdamental. I read all the pisted comments, and if I recall even Shaul was against it in his comment. Seemed doomed from the start blunt I’m sure the outfitters (let’s be like NM!) aren’t done trying.
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You might want to read Shaul's latest comments ;
"90/10 is and has always been an obvious, "Wyoming First" issue - and Wyoming's resident hunters only want parity with our neighboring states. What's so interesting is our fight isn't with nonresident hunters ... reading the nonresident hunter public comments, many don't have an issue with 90/10 allocation - they just don't want an Outfitter Draw.

While I certainly understand the nonresident DIY hunter's position, I'm willing to go with an Outfitter Draw if it means 90/10, across the board (all limited quota tags) for resident hunters. An "Outfitter Draw" for nonresident hunters doesn't hurt Wyoming's resident hunters, and 90/10 would mean 9,000+ extra tags/year for resident hunters. "
 
I can guarantee that outfitters won’t be in favor of 90/10 for all limited units. Outfitters will take a hit if they don’t have set asides and 90/10 would cut into potential nonres clients they would have with status quo (nonres tags at current levels).

Status quo sounds like a great compromise for everyone. 90/10 won’t improve res draw odds for limited tags since so few additional tags will be available. If res truly want higher draw odds for those that have a tough time drawing tags a waiting period would work pretty well.
 
if you know how to work draw odds and stats waiting periods in a state like Wyo with few resident applicants that already have good draw odds actually improves odds even more for those that haven’t drawn tags. If you don’t mind your neighbor and others drawing several tags while you sit at home than no need to have a waiting period.

Also, if you know how to work draw odds and stats you are also aware that 90/10 will not improve resident draw odds in high demand limited units. Yep a handful more res will draw these tags but your draw odds will remain virtually the same.

Unfortunately 90/10 draw odds for nonres are cut in 1/2 and will take twice as long for every nonres to draw tags.
 
it's no secret the WYOGA is nothing but a bunch of handout welfare bums... So, why do we need 'em? The game belongs to the people of Wyoming so why is it to be expected that we feed these leeches?
 
I will again comment to the task force that I'm in favor of 90/10 but completely against outfitter welfare (tag set asides). If an outfitter is providing a great service they will have a back log of clients waiting to come and hunt with them. If they are outfitting on public land for deer, elk or antelope I won't be sad if they don't book a single client but the best outfits will still do great even with a 90/10 split. No one is forcing anyone to be an outfitter.
 
JakeSwensen said:
I will again comment to the task force that I'm in favor of 90/10 but completely against outfitter welfare (tag set asides). If an outfitter is providing a great service they will have a back log of clients waiting to come and hunt with them. If they are outfitting on public land for deer, elk or antelope I won't be sad if they don't book a single client but the best outfits will still do great even with a 90/10 split. No one is forcing anyone to be an outfitter.
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Well said! I would rather it stay 80/20 then give anything to outfitters. I will again be commenting saying such.
 
jm77 said:
You might want to read Shaul's latest comments ;
"90/10 is and has always been an obvious, "Wyoming First" issue - and Wyoming's resident hunters only want parity with our neighboring states. What's so interesting is our fight isn't with nonresident hunters ... reading the nonresident hunter public comments, many don't have an issue with 90/10 allocation - they just don't want an Outfitter Draw.

While I certainly understand the nonresident DIY hunter's position, I'm willing to go with an Outfitter Draw if it means 90/10, across the board (all limited quota tags) for resident hunters. An "Outfitter Draw" for nonresident hunters doesn't hurt Wyoming's resident hunters, and 90/10 would mean 9,000+ extra tags/year for resident hunters. "
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Seriously? SMH
 
I’m not sure why any nonres or the outfitters would be in favor of cutting current nonres limited tag quotas in 1/2. If you think point leap is bad now, wait until nonres tags are cut in 1/2 and it takes 2X longer to draw a tag. Converting to 90/10 will also cut potential outfitter clients in 1/2. Status quo is ultimately the overall compromise for everyone!

Also, keep in mind that landowners are issued tags that are taken off the top prior to the draw and are currently unlimited. With 90/10 plus nonres landowner tags their will be 0 tags issued to nonres in high demand units that currently only issue 0 to 2 tags. If you are a nonres that has paid high pref pt fees for years and years your hope of ever drawing will be cut in 1/2.

Will it really be worth it for Wyo nonres to keep buying expensive pref pts in Wyo if tag quotas are suddenly cut in 1/2? Currently selling pref pts to nonres is a big chunk of revenue for the WG&F. What happens as nonres drop out and new nonres decide to apply for tags elsewhere?
 
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Definitely should not be anymore kind of set aside licenses , already to many hand me outs from landowners, commissioners, governors and special interest tags such as one shot ect.. something needs to be done with that process but not to sure it will ever change, and another thing I noticed is none of task force members direct emails are listed on there sight just that Todd Larson or am I missing them ? They should be on there for easier access.
 
jims said:
I’m not sure why any nonres or the outfitters would be in favor of cutting current nonres limited tag quotas in 1/2. If you think point leap is bad now, wait until nonres tags are cut in 1/2 and it takes 2X longer to draw a tag. Converting to 90/10 will also cut potential outfitter clients in 1/2. Status quo is ultimately the overall compromise for everyone!

Also, keep in mind that landowners are issued tags that are taken off the top prior to the draw and are currently unlimited. With 90/10 plus nonres landowner tags their will be 0 tags issued to nonres in high demand units that currently only issue 0 to 2 tags. If you are a nonres that has paid high pref pt fees for years and years your hope of ever drawing will be cut in 1/2.

Will it really be worth it for Wyo nonres to keep buying expensive pref pts in Wyo if tag quotas are suddenly cut in 1/2? Currently selling pref pts to nonres is a big chunk of revenue for the WG&F. What happens as nonres drop out and new nonres decide to apply for tags elsewhere?
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DoubleDropMuley said:
Definitely should not be anymore kind of set aside licenses , already to many hand me outs from landowners, commissioners, governors and special interest tags such as one shot ect.. something needs to be done with that process but not to sure it will ever change, and another thing I noticed is none of task force members direct emails are listed on there sight just that Todd Larson or am I missing them ? They should be on there for easier access.
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Rusty Bell: [email protected];
Brian Nesvik [email protected]
Duaine Hagen [email protected]
Elissa Ruckle [email protected]
Joshua W.D. Coursey [email protected]
Lee Livingston [email protected]
Liisa Anselmi Dalton [email protected]
Pat Crank [email protected]
Peter Dube [email protected]
Representative - Sommers, Albert [email protected]
Representative - Flitner, Jamie [email protected]
Joe Schaffer [email protected]
Senator - Driskill, Ogden [email protected]
Senator - Hicks, Larry [email protected]
Sy Gilliland [email protected]
Tony Lehner [email protected]
Adam Teten [email protected]
 
jm77 said:
@elks96 I wouldn't be making any assumptions at this point no matter what Rob Shaul is writing. Shaul actually favors the outfitter draw as a trade-off for 90/10. He doesn't believe it will affect residents. He is wrong on that one.

Either way, the TF is against the wall on time and they will vote on this stupid "grand compromise" in August. Only Crank and Teten spoke against the outfitter drawing and that leaves 16 other members who can vote for it. The idea these issues aren't vetted individually is ludicrous.

The TF is going to ask again for public comments on these combined issues and there will be a huge push by the outfitters to get comments in their direction. The new outfitter/landowner draw will use 50% of NR licenses. Anything is still possible with the TF and I can only pray for the future to never include this kind of mechanism on wildlife and hunting related issues again.
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You are correct Shaul does not see any problem
With the set aside. His entire focus is on resident percent. I will admit that he stays focused on the task he is after, but is short sided and does not realize the damage that outfitter tags will create for residents…

You are also correct that there are a lot more on the board. I really do not know where it will land but I will fire off another set of emails again shortly.

This was a failed task force from the start. It has only gotten worse.
 

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