OIL Refunds!

No but it’s ridiculous that they hold on to it like they do! They are about as bad as Wyoming! Wyoming actually gets your return back quicker but takes all to long between closing the application process and actually drawing.
 
Not yet. I checked back and mine arrived on June 3rd last year, on June 9th in 2020, on June 13th in 2019, and on June 29th in 2018. They're still kinda' pokey, but have slowly been improving.
 
Sounds like making it more of a rich man’s sport.
I don’t know. In state applications would be what 2-300 bucks you don’t get back. Then if your serious about out of state save up a couple grand and just put in for one. Think if 90% of the guys putting in for multiple states on a CC had to try and explain to there dives that 10-12 grand a year for a chance is money we’ll spent. Draw odds would skyrocket for those willing to commit.

Of course this is all nonsense but it’s fun to think about
 
I would gladly pay the resident price and have it be non-refundable. I agree it would cause odds to improve, by how much who knows.

I don't want hunting to become any more of a rich man's sport than it already is, but no one is hunting sheep or goats for food (even though sheep are delicious).
 
I don’t know. In state applications would be what 2-300 bucks you don’t get back. Then if your serious about out of state save up a couple grand and just put in for one. Think if 90% of the guys putting in for multiple states on a CC had to try and explain to there dives that 10-12 grand a year for a chance is money we’ll spent. Draw odds would skyrocket for those willing to commit.

Of course this is all nonsense but it’s fun to think about
None refundable would make it more of a rich mans sport. Just being able to apply for hunts in multiple western states is already too expensive for many hunters now. I would estimate that over the last 5 years I've averaged $2000 per year in application fees and probably over $4000 per year when you add in tag fees and other "taxes" such as $81.75 for an archery permit in Idaho.

I would personally rather have lower odds of drawing and keep hunting as a resident and nonresident more of a middle class US citizen opportunity than increase my odds by pricing out those with lower incomes.

If you want hunting to only be for those with money like the "kings model" in Europe you are welcome to have that opinion. I would rather see the North American model of hunter management where opportunity to hunt isn't just a rich mans privilege.
 
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I would gladly pay the resident price and have it be non-refundable. I agree it would cause odds to improve, by how much who knows.

I don't want hunting to become any more of a rich man's sport than it already is, but no one is hunting sheep or goats for food (even though sheep are delicious).
As nonresidents we are already spending about $250 in nonrefundable license and application fee for moose, sheep and mountain goat. Nonrefundable resident fees are only about 10% of what nonresidents pay.
 
FWIW, total non-refundable fees for an OIL species app as a NR is 330.78.
I forgot to add all the fees. I applied for moose last year and the license plus other nonrefundable fees was over $300. I applied for deer, elk and antelope this year.
The extra processing fees as a percentage of the total transaction online is wrong. It is a great way for the vendors to make extra $$
 
Some pretty good examples here of how fast guys would drop out of the draws were there no refunds to apply. Makes ya think, could be good..,
 
I’d be all for it if it was a set price for all. Would you be willing to put your money were your mouth is ??? Let’s say $500-750 non refundable app. Fee
 
Some pretty good examples here of how fast guys would drop out of the draws were there no refunds to apply. Makes ya think, could be good..,
Says the Idaho resident who pays less than $200 if applying for OIL tags. You willing to fork over 3K for you’re OIL tag with no refund? I don’t think so!!!
 
no price changes, just no refunds. think about it. for residents the odds wouldn't really change that much, 2-300 bucks, guys will eat that. but your out of state stuff would get interesting. great example right here, you guys can barely stomach having the funds out there for 2 months and this is just one state. think of all the guys that put 5-6 states on the CC. that would end. some would drop out all together, others would just pick the one state they really want to draw. odds go up and id think point creep would go down eventually.

every one bitches about the system but no ones really willing to change right?
 
Says the Idaho resident who pays less than $200 if applying for OIL tags. You willing to fork over 3K for you’re OIL tag with no refund? I don’t think so!!!
for another state with better draw odds if i do? yup. see above
 
It’s not an “if” option. Fork over the dough with piss poor odds, no guarantees in life. How many states do you apply in? I’m betting none!!
none of this makes any sense except the last assumption there. little early to be drinking isn't it?
 
I do put in for multiple states!! New Mexico alone is a pushing close to 8 grande. It’s not about application fees and costs it’s about running a efficient system and returning peoples money in a timely fashion. It would be one thing if they were gaining interest in on it.
 
I do put in for multiple states!! New Mexico alone is a pushing close to 8 grande. It’s not about application fees and costs it’s about running a efficient system and returning peoples money in a timely fashion. It would be one thing if they were gaining interest in on it.
how many would you put in for if you didn't get your money back either way?
 
Would you put in if it cost you ?? $500 $750 $1000 where do you draw a line on cost. Hunting is getting to be a rich man’s sport so why encourage it.
 
if no price change happened, lets say 2500 fee, i probably wouldn't the first year. id wait and see what odds were per state and apply the second year. like i said further up this thread, all of this is nonsense im talking about but its interesting to contemplate. it would increase draw odds
 

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