Elisjsha Dicken, 22, of Seymour, Ind

I’m sure the CIA is already planning this guys car “accident “ they put a lot of time and money into these shooters. I’m sure 3 victims was well under the return rate they were looking for. He’s gunna have to pay
 
JPickett said:
I’m sure the CIA is already planning this guys car “accident “ they put a lot of time and money into these shooters. I’m sure 3 victims was well under the return rate they were looking for. He’s gunna have to pay
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If only you were kidding...
 
I'd like to think I would respond the same. I served in the military, qualified with various weapons, and like guns. While I do carry more and more frequently, I try to avoid places like this. There is no reason to put up with the BS involved with public exposure. I simply have no reason to frequent malls or other public venues, whether armed or not. As Robert Heinlein wrote in a book, "An armed society is a polite society!"
 
It's great he killed the rambo puke it's hard to say what the body count would have been otherwise. but it's pathetic that this is being played as great propaganda by the gun lobby.

So the moral of the story is, " a good guy with a gun killed a rambo before he could kill more than 3 people. WINNING ! "

I guess if you're not one of the 3 dead people or their family nobody gives a FF about this is a real gas.

And for the next rambo the lesson of the day is don't forget your body armor.
 
Dude or Tog said: but it's pathetic that this is being played as great propaganda by the gun lobby.

What is wrong with that being done. You anti gun liberals pull the propaganda card every time one of these incidents happen. OH! i forgot, you are allowed to use the "double standard" and we are not. How forgetful of me.
RELH
 
The irony of the situation is that the shooter was another young male in his early 20's, but so was the good guy that killed him. Regardless of what both sides say, it's just so hard to draw absolutes on any of this.

I still haven't seen the demonization of the good guy by the media, sure there's some on Twitter, but even CNN had their 2nd story of the day about the "good guy with the gun" stopping the bad guy.

The bad thing is that scenario is exceedingly rare, with only 22 cases of "good guys" in the last 400 active shooter scenarios... and 12 of those were security guards or off-duty cops. There's also the example in Colorado where the police killed the "good guy" by mistake after he'd already taken out the bad guy.

I still feel that banning guns is a horrible solution, but don't think the answer is as simple as relying on armed Samaritans either. I don't know how to fix this.
 
Have any of yall ever seen an active shooter PSA? Hell, New York is running a nuclear war PSA. There are PSAs for how to have safer gay sex, what to do around power lines, how to go to your kid's events, and a thousand other things nobody should have to be told to do or not do.

But no state sponsored PSA on how to survive, or even better, stop an active shooter.
 
Tikka said:
Here’s one with Togs point of view…
www.foxnews.com

Gun control advocates stunned man who allegedly shot Indiana mall shooter labeled 'Good Samaritan'

Critics took to Twitter to express frustration that a man with a concealed pistol permit who put a stop to a mass shooting in an Indiana mall was being hailed a hero.
www.foxnews.com www.foxnews.com
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This is one example of why we have a problem. I carry a lot more today because of what we have become. The Mayor, The Mall, The Chief of Police and many others are happy that this young man stopped this POS. Why in gods earth would someone not want this mass murderer stopped? He was carrying under the new Indiana Constitutional Carry law that went into effect July 1 and saved many lives. If he wasn't carrying, then how many others would have died?


Then you have the media throwing him under the bus for saving who knows how many others and stopping the carnage. Their thought process is, let's twist this around so we can get more clicks on our site and more advertising dollars.

This is why America is not America anymore-SMH....Pretty sad!!!
 
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The press has already started to try and vilify him.
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DH56 said:
Then you have the media throwing him under the bus for saving who knows how many others and stopping the carnage.
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Can somebody posts links to the media attacking the good guy?

All I've seen is an FNC article referencing a few Twitter comments. That's hardly "the media throwing him under the bus" or "vilifying him." If it weren't for Fox giving them news time, I wouldn't know about them either.

I'm truly interested in examples of real live mainstream news sources attacking the good guy. I haven't been able to find any.

CNN has run two articles on their front page, neither of which would be construed as attacking the good guy.

Here's the one right now, it's the second story down on their main page so it's not like it's buried or anything...

www.cnn.com

What we know about the armed bystander who killed the shooter at an Indiana mall | CNN

Dressed in shorts and a T-shirt, Elisjsha Dicken was shopping with his girlfriend when a gunman opened fire on a food court at a Greenwood, Indiana, mall Sunday evening, killing three people and wounding two others.
www.cnn.com www.cnn.com
 
Grizzy the reason you have not seen more "good guy" vs. "bad guy shooter" is the fact a good portion of the shooting happen in a "gun free zone' or in a state where it is very hard to get a concealed license to carry in public. In fact this mall shooting had a "gun free zone" sign posted at the entrance. Here is some stats that convinced me a long time ago to support law abiding citizens being allowed to carry concealed.
RELH

  • Every year, 400,000 life-threatening violent crimes are prevented using firearms.
  • 60 percent of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they knew the victim was armed. Forty percent of convicted felons admitted that they avoided committing crimes when they thought the victim might be armed.
  • Felons report that they avoid entering houses where people are at home because they fear being shot.
  • Fewer than 1 percent of firearms are used in the commission of a crime.
If you doubt the objectivity of the site above, it’s worth pointing out that the Center for Disease Control, in a report ordered by President Obama in 2012 following the Sandy Hook Massacre, estimated that the number of crimes prevented by guns could be even higher—as many as 3 million annually, or some 8,200 every day.

Another excellent source of information on this topic (and many more current issues) is the Gun Control page at JustFacts.org. (Full disclosure: I serve on the board of directors of JustFacts because I believe in the organization’s objectiveness, accuracy, and integrity.)
 
grizzly said:
The irony of the situation is that the shooter was another young male in his early 20's, but so was the good guy that killed him. Regardless of what both sides say, it's just so hard to draw absolutes on any of this.

I still haven't seen the demonization of the good guy by the media, sure there's some on Twitter, but even CNN had their 2nd story of the day about the "good guy with the gun" stopping the bad guy.

The bad thing is that scenario is exceedingly rare, with only 22 cases of "good guys" in the last 400 active shooter scenarios... and 12 of those were security guards or off-duty cops. There's also the example in Colorado where the police killed the "good guy" by mistake after he'd already taken out the bad guy.

I still feel that banning guns is a horrible solution, but don't think the answer is as simple as relying on armed Samaritans either. I don't know how to fix this.
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www.breitbart.com

Study Lists 60+ Times Concealed Permit Holders Stopped Mass Shooters

An expanded study lists over 60 instances in which a concealed carry permit holder stopped a mass shooter.
www.breitbart.com www.breitbart.com
 
Grizzly I referenced the article included in my post that was posted earlier in this thread. This morning I had to be flipping thru the channels while drinking my coffee and happened upon NBC( I would never listen to this channel but I just happened to flipping past it when I heard the part about them trying to tap dance their way into the story) Questioning if the "22 year old" was legal in carrying that firearm and if the Mall and the Mayor should be looking further into "the matter". So, now we are questioning the person that saved many lives........Matt Dillon in Gunsmoke would throw the dead shooter over the horse and ride him into town showing everyone he's dead and the good guy took care of business. People would be happy another bad guy is dead.

I'm not going to dig for other examples since I have had my fill of BS over the past few years.

Enough- this young man put his life on the line by engaging with a murderer to "save lives". The games some news stations and media play will only stop good people like this 22 year old to even get engaged in the future. I have had police officer friends, ranking officers and trainers with many years of putting their life on the line for people like you and me quitting or retiring early because we have crossed the line on always questioning why the "good guy" had to shoot and causing them to question when they should to protect citizens.

There are several police officers in a nearby city under investigation because someone didn't pull over for a routine traffic stop around 1 in the morning, the person took off in his car, shot at police, then bailed with a mask on when several police cruisers were able to corner him, ran after he was tazed several times and it didn't slow him down, went for his waistband in which caused the officers to realize he may be going for his gun and several of them opened fire and eventually hitting him many times and killing him. There is bodycam footage of a good portion of it. Now you hear is why did they have to shoot him so many times???

And Did anyone hear about his one saving people? I bet not many but if the shooter had the opportunity to kill several people we would hear about it in several media outlets.

www.thetruthaboutguns.com

West Virginia Police Say Woman With CCW Stopped a Mass Shooting, Saved Lives - The Truth About Guns

&#9664Previous Post Next Post▶ Charleston Police Department’s Chief of Detectives Tony Hazelett credited an unnamed Charleston concealed carry license holder with stopping the threat following a shooting Wednesday evening. Police say Dennis Butler returned after being lectured about speeding...
www.thetruthaboutguns.com www.thetruthaboutguns.com

I'm done.
 
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Just Hand Your Guns In!

Every F'N One Of Them!

Togwotee said:
It's great he killed the rambo puke it's hard to say what the body count would have been otherwise. but it's pathetic that this is being played as great propaganda by the gun lobby.

So the moral of the story is, " a good guy with a gun killed a rambo before he could kill more than 3 people. WINNING ! "

I guess if you're not one of the 3 dead people or their family nobody gives a FF about this is a real gas.

And for the next rambo the lesson of the day is don't forget your body armor.
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Tristate said:
Have any of yall ever seen an active shooter PSA? Hell, New York is running a nuclear war PSA. There are PSAs for how to have safer gay sex, what to do around power lines, how to go to your kid's events, and a thousand other things nobody should have to be told to do or not do.

But no state sponsored PSA on how to survive, or even better, stop an active shooter.
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Interesting point....almost like they don't want them stopped....
 
Most of the bad stuff was pulled shortly after public opinion turned in favor of the young man.

I think his actions were admiral. But now he gets to walk down the street wondering who is going to try and take him down because they don't agree. I don't think he went to the mall that day wanting to be famous or a hero. Too bad society can't leave it as an un-named citizen.
 
Tristate said:
Have any of yall ever seen an active shooter PSA? Hell, New York is running a nuclear war PSA. There are PSAs for how to have safer gay sex, what to do around power lines, how to go to your kid's events, and a thousand other things nobody should have to be told to do or not do.

But no state sponsored PSA on how to survive, or even better, stop an active shooter.
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All I've ever heard was hide in a closet and dial 911.
 
hossblur said:
Black folks in South Central in the 80's are pretty sure he's not
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Don’t waste the energy on grizz. Our government is wholesome and good in his eyes because it’s leader has a D next to his name. Wait till it’s an R and then he’ll agree to what evil this government is capable of. Couple more years and he’ll be crying foul
 
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Black folks in South Central in the 80's are pretty sure he's not
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First your "global elites" line and now you're sympathetic to conspiracies of false flag shootings of innocent mall shoppers. You really need to find a new podcast!

We used to drop mosquitoes infected with a harmless virus into the USA so we could test the penetration into the public for future biological warfare. That doesn't mean the CIA puts poison into cigarettes to increase cancer rates to expand profits of pharmaceutical companies or any other nefarious act.

Sometimes bad things just happen and the fact that something else happened 40 years ago is in no way proof of future unrelated outcomes.
 
grizzly said:
First your "global elites" line and now you're sympathetic to conspiracies of false flag shootings of innocent mall shoppers. You really need to find a new podcast!

We used to drop mosquitoes infected with a harmless virus into the USA so we could test the penetration into the public for future biological warfare. That doesn't mean the CIA puts poison into cigarettes to increase cancer rates to expand profits of pharmaceutical companies or any other nefarious act.

Sometimes bad things just happen and the fact that something else happened 40 years ago is in no way proof of future unrelated outcomes.
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So are we pretending that Davos doesn't happen? You know, the whole meeting of global elites?

I never said anything about cigarette profits.

I did say the CIA ran drugs into black neighborhoods. I am saying Iran Contra happened. I'm saying MK-Ultra happened. I'm saying they spy on American citizens. I'm saying they've killed foreign leaders. I'm saying they organize coups. I'm saying they tried to overthrow Trump.

Drop the "podcast" line all day.

www.nytimes.com

Declassified C.I.A. Archives Detail Illegal Activities (Published 2007)

The released papers provide evidence of paranoia and occasional incompetence as the agency began a string of illegal spying operations during the 1960s and 1970s.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com

www.bbc.com

Lawmakers allege 'secret' CIA spying on unwitting Americans

Spy agencies are conducting "warrantless backdoor searches" of Americans, two Democrat senators say.
www.bbc.com

www.history.com

The CIA's Appalling Human Experiments With Mind Control

The CIA tried to fight communism by dosing unwitting soldiers and prisoners with acid.
www.history.com www.history.com

www.pbs.org

The Iran-Contra Affair | American Experience | PBS

Ronald Reagan's efforts to eradicate Communism spanned the globe, but the insurgent Contras' cause in Nicaragua was particularly dear to him.
www.pbs.org

Mapped: The 7 Governments the U.S. Has Overthrown

Yes, we now have confirmation that the CIA was behind Iran's 1953 coup. But the agency hardly stopped there.
foreignpolicy.com foreignpolicy.com

The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade

Alfred W. McCoy. The Politics of Heroin: CIA Complicity in the Global Drug Trade. New York: Lawrence Hill Books, 2003. The first book to prove CIA and U.S. government complicity in global drug trafficking, The …
history.wisc.edu history.wisc.edu

www.theguardian.com

The CIA has a long history of helping to kill leaders around the world

US intelligence agency has since 1945 succeeded in deposing or killing a string of leaders, but was forced to cut back after a Senate investigation in the 1970s
www.theguardian.com www.theguardian.com


theintercept.com

The CIA’s Murderous Practices, Disinformation Campaigns, and Interference in Other Countries Still Shape the World Order and U.S. Politics

No understanding of international or domestic politics is possible without a factual grasp of the CIA’s purpose.
theintercept.com theintercept.com



Yup, not a single Infowars reference among them.

Now, since you asked.

Is it not just a little suspicious that in these mass shooting cases, the shooter "was known to authorities".?

So are they plants? U doubt it. Are they useful actors? I know useful actors have never been used ever before?
 
Blank said:
I'd like to think I would respond the same. I served in the military, qualified with various weapons, and like guns. While I do carry more and more frequently, I try to avoid places like this. There is no reason to put up with the BS involved with public exposure. I simply have no reason to frequent malls or other public venues, whether armed or not. As Robert Heinlein wrote in a book, "An armed society is a polite society!"
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Thats interesting. My wife says I am much nicer armed.
 
The See Eye Aye did run experiments for 2 decades in mind control. A significant portion of the experiments were centered around the development of assasins from seemingly normal civilians. Much of the experiments were on US military personnel but we do know that some experiments were done on civilians with at least one known fatality.

In the 70s their feet were held to the fire by a congressional committee. At that point they claimed that all experiments had failed in making assasins and therefore they had closed the program. Critics of the project say that the See Eye Aye would have had no choice but to give that same answer even if the program had been a complete success.

Here is the success in failure. The goal of the project was the ability to assassinate a specific target. For instance a government official in a banana republic somewhere. Now they may have never succeeded in their goal but they very well may have learned how to make an ordinary person want to kill indiscriminately.
 
So after rambo kills 3 innocent people he's then killed by a bystander with a gun . 3-1 is something to brag about ? if rambo kills 25 people before the bystander killed him, 25-1 does that make it a bigger win or a smaller win ?

So more rambos with AR's x more good guys with guns + body count - cops that hide outside = more reason to have more guns .

Now it makes sense.
 
Togwotee said:
So after rambo kills 3 innocent people he's then killed by a bystander with a gun . 3-1 is something to brag about ? if rambo kills 25 people before the bystander killed him, 25-1 does that make it a bigger win or a smaller win ?

So more rambos with AR's x more good guys with guns + body count - cops that hide outside = more reason to have more guns .

Now it makes sense.
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Congrats on another incoherent post. You have quite a streak going.
 
I am beginning to believe that Dude, AKA-Tog, is hitting the bottle at the break of dawn now. His incoherent posts that make no sense indicates he has a problem. Dude seek help at your local AA if this is your problem.:ROFLMAO:
 

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