Too bad you didn’t see them, would have been one heck of a sight to see 4 elk shot in the dark. Night Vision Scopes should be taken off muzzleloaders for sure ?
sure we can kill as many deer, but how about Quality?
And these remarks keep getting old trying to tell all the opposed that we and I have stated multiple times that these changes aren't meant to fix the "herds", and the herds are being worked on from every angle possible from excessive predator control to collaring studies and habitat projects, highway fencing and crossings, etc, etc, problem areas for all big game, especially our Mule Deer.
I’m pretty sure Slam doesn’t shoot 2 points off the side of the road. So I would think the quality would be close to the same. Are you saying all the quality deer have been shot by scoped muzzies so there’s none left? Or it’s so easy to shoot deer at long ranges with them that everyone is shooting big bucks?
I’d be fine with those changes but I’m guessing the WB won’t go that far! You could definitely increase opportunity with those limitations!
Salesmanship.
I was suggesting a limit on the maximum amount of magnification for rifle scopes to be determined by the WB. I think 9x would be plenty and would really limit long range plinking.
Ridge-
Yeah that’s a typical answer for someone that does it?
Perfect you will need at least one. I still have mine on my TC. My 17 year old rather shoot with open sights. So where good
Never shot an elk in the dark, pretty classless accusation!!
Could of fooled me. Speaking of classy read your post.
Just curious was the picture of the elk in your avatar taken at night with a game cam?? Now I know why you want the scopes of muzzies ?
It sure was. You don’t know why I want scopes off muzzy’s
I wouldn’t bawl, I would celebrate these restrictions!
Huge difference!
Mr Slam,
You are correct, I should have been more clear and precise on my picture post.
I disagree. Didn’t say they were the same. But the difference for that first shot (which is all you may get) is smaller and smaller.
How about we just shorten seasons for DH hunters. They get half the bowhunt. 5 days on the muzzy, 3 on the rifle. Other than that, they still can hunt 2-3 years, only kill 2 deer. Hunt 3 seasons. If your unit has 2 rifle seasons, you must pick one and specify which rifle hunt you have and those dates are printed on your tag
Why not have a DH style GS deer hunt.
Hmmmmm, very interesting concept.
Do you know how many untagged deer would be put in freezers every year?
I thought one of the "goals" of the tech ban/challenge was to NOT TARGET some of the top-tier bucks.
Wait a minute untagged deer is that what is going on with our deer herds?
I knew this was coming when I typed it.
Kind of an interesting idea. If it came down to it, I'd rather hunt 5 years and kill one deer them hunt once in 5 years and still kill one deer.
Slammy-daddy is so focused on looking for fresh meat, he has a hard time staying focused on the topics and goals that he climbed under the desk for in the first place
Pick up a bow, muzzy or change units and you can hunt every or every other year and kill 2-5 deer in that same 5 year time frame.
I’m sure you do know people who have done that. You just don’t know about it. Which is the point
It'd probably be a tough sell, as the general population of deer hunters just want to harvest a deer as often as possible, regardless of size, and that population of hunters are the majority.
I don't know anyone that would do that in my group. but apparently it happens I could really see this happening with DH program.
I so would apply for it as well.
It's definitely something to ponder and take upstream.
DH is limited already to a quota per unit. some years a lot hit their 3 years and opens up a lot of DH openings. Other years very few reach the 3 year mark and very few are available for DH. This year there was 1 DH tag issue for a unit due to this and tag decreases and it went to a person with a few points. Keep it limited to a percent of the allotted tags in a unit, but the DH will be far more selective if they even kill a buck but be able to hunt for 3 years once drawn.
Now we're getting somewhere, I like it!
One thing about the DH program, just because they can doesn't mean they do.
And she's a Brune!?
Am I’m I missing something here? “Now if you harvest in that five years. Then a five year waiting period starts.” Hunt five years, take a buck on the 5th year then have a five year waiting period. So 1 deer in 10 years!! No Thanks, for me.
No waiting period
Still like the 3 years, but with a chosen weapon. Already a waiting period in several units that take several DH points to draw already.
Just a wild hair idea at this point, but it's quite possibly got what the WB is trying to accomplish along with all the other change proposals across the entire system.
It was just an idea I came up with there is always room for improvements.
When does the deer committee propose a new deer plan is it every 3 years or 5?
I believe it's always been a 5 year plan that they change every two years ?
I only harvested 1 deer in 3 years I harvested my buck on the last year the only reason I did was because it was a 160” 4 point I was totally fine going home empty handed.
So I really like the 3 year.
or keep the sept. season the same as it is now with scopes and have a muzzy no scope season in place of the current LE late season gen. unit hunts. Then have the LE have it's own no scope season the same time as the others and have the gen. muzzy elk hunt just a week later. Have about 5 percent of the tags set aside for these no scope seasons.
I disagree. Already takes points to draw as it is in most units and splitting it would double that. Figure out what the scope out come is and make a more even cut in tags between the rifle and the other two weapon seasons. If you want the high power scope wait just 5-days after the muzzy deer hunt ends and hunt the early rifle season with your long range rifles, tech and high power scopes.
I guess I dont see how it doubles the amount of applicants. Muzzy guys will still be Muzzy guys. Obviously we dont have data, but lets assume the applicants would be the same total #. Now you just decide between the Hawkin or the Rem Ultimate. Just spit balling for conversation and view points.
I really don't want to cut the muzzy hunt in half. I spend the full 9-days on the mountain plus one or two days prior to the hunt. Only fill a tag occasionally, but there for the memories and the time on the mountain with friends and family. Probably not double, but lets not keep adding hunts and diminishing a hunt and run the animals into the ground. (rifle hunt is 9-days, with an added early hunt of 5-days, archery is just short of a month. Maybe selfish, but I enjoy being on mountain for 9 plus days hunting. I just enjoy time on the mountain and it is nice to do it with a weapon in hand if something tickles the trigger finger.
I really like that idea. Turn the early rifle deer into a muzz with scopes hunt. Leave the September muzz deer as open sights only.I really don't want to cut the muzzy hunt in half. I spend the full 9-days on the mountain plus one or two days prior to the hunt. Only fill a tag occasionally, but there for the memories and the time on the mountain with friends and family. Probably not double, but lets not keep adding hunts and diminishing a hunt and run the animals into the ground. (rifle hunt is 9-days, with an added early hunt of 5-days, archery is just short of a month. Maybe selfish, but I enjoy being on mountain for 9 plus days hunting. I just enjoy time on the mountain and it is nice to do it with a weapon in hand if something tickles the trigger finger.
MIGHT BE WORTH LOOKING AT REPLACING THE EARLY RIFLE HUNT WITH THE HIGH TECH MUZZLELOADER HUNT WITH THE HIGH POWER SCOPES. KIND OF A COMPROMIZE WITHOUT ADDING ANOTHER HUNT AND MAY KEEP THE HIGH DOLLAR, TECH MUZZY GUYS HAPPY!!! I know the rifle guys would not like this, but they are the high success hunters
I’ve always wondered why guys are trying to manage general opportunity hunts for LE quality. We have LE hunts for a reason. If you want to hunt a big buck, draw a LE tag. Otherwise enjoy your general hunts and shoot that 18” 3x3 when you find one. Or don’t. It’s your choice! But general hunts are NOT designed for trophy animals.
I thought these were recommendations not rules (yet) ? I’m not sure the board will adopt, seems like a lot of us common folk disagree with it. Just like pols, they listen to the squeaky wheel. Of course there is always an axe to grind by a board member, or an organization.
I like the idea as well. However what the hell does it have to do with technology?
It doesn't, it goes along with "increased opportunity".
We looked at those along with every state around us but wanted to try not to be so complicated.
I’ll bet you do.
So I guess archery hasn’t changed any since my grandpa archery hunted? But let’s chase the muzz hunters…Interesting description and conversation in the classifieds on this muzzleloader for sale ?
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"Don't put restrictions on muzzleloaders" they say.....?
4" groups at 500 yards in a muzzleloader is quite a bit different than grandpa's long bow at 50 yards versus today's normal 70 yard groups.
Manage the wildlife not the social aspects! I highly doubt that there are enough of these super muzzy’s to worry about, much less the owners being skilled enough to use them to their potential. there’s always somebody in this state that’s complaining about what someone else has or does.Interesting description and conversation in the classifieds on this muzzleloader for sale ?
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"Don't put restrictions on muzzleloaders" they
Um....these types of rifles are emerging technology but are tamed without the Huskemaw scope.
Not apples and oranges, when my grandma hunted with a recurve 30 yards was a looooong shot… We’re talking about technology and killing mature bucks, archers are killing bucks at 120 yards plus…
Take the scopes off and the rifle still shoots the same distance. You know as well as anyone that sliding peeps will go on and guys will still be shooting 500 yards. Scopes will come off because of a few premium limited entry units. Why not just regulate those units with scope less muzzleloader hunts then?
So you want to punish thousands of hunters, so a handful can be tamed? That really makes sense.
Not disagreeing, but you forgot to include that todays rifles and turret scopes are extremely deadly compared to grandpa's old military 303 British, Russian 7.62 or even the old common 30-30 Winchester.
That’s funny nri……. and don’t be bringing up the one tool that would limit harvest…… and the really really really fun thing is it would apply equally across archery, muzzleloader and any weapon seasons……. but ……….. Nnnnnnnooooooope, not that technology. ???
Why would anyone want to promote wounding more animals? I can assure you more will be wounded if range finder were taken away.
That may well be the case ridge……… but there’s lots of rabbit holes we can go down when it come to mule deer these days.
That is exactly why I don't think you should llimt scope power. More power = less wounding I didn't mean take them away, but limit allowed shot distances by only allowing rangefinders to range a certain distance. Example: you can only use a 600-yard max rangefinding device...i was hoping to reduce wounding.
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