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I guess he can just do anything short of hiding a dead body and you will be ok.
If they don't find anything you can say see he was RIGHT, But if they find he had stuff he shouldn't have then they was right in going and getting it BACK.
Yep, they have never tried to make up a story (Russian Collusion) to get him away from the white house. I'm sure they are completely honest.

You guys have got to be kidding me. You honestly think the media and the left are not against Trump. This is nothing but another witch hunt!!

Honest question do you think Trump and the true republicans are treated anywhere near the same as the left? Please answer that.
 
I guess he can just do anything short of hiding a dead body and you will be ok.
If they don't find anything you can say see he was RIGHT, But if they find he had stuff he shouldn't have then they was right in going and getting it BACK.
And you’re going to believe anything they say they found….wow, a new one is born every minute. It’s not like we don’t have any examples of this administration lying to get their way! Ygtbfkm
 
Yep, they have never tried to make up a story (Russian Collusion) to get him away from the white house. I'm sure they are completely honest.

You guys have got to be kidding me. You honestly think the media and the left are not against Trump. This is nothing but another witch hunt!!

Honest question do you think Trump and the true republicans are treated anywhere near the same as the left? Please answer that.
They won’t answer that, typical democrats thinking anything is ok as long as it’s not going against them. The examples of just the past two years could fill a lengthy book.
 
This raid had zero to do with obtaining official records from Trump's home. It's all about finding or planting something that they can use to prevent him from running again. They have never cared much about records before. O'bama still has 30 million pages of records he hasn't let anyone see.
 
I guess he can just do anything short of hiding a dead body and you will be ok.
If they don't find anything you can say see he was RIGHT, But if they find he had stuff he shouldn't have then they was right in going and getting it BACK.
Obama took roughly 30 million pages of documents and artifacts when he left the white house, to this day not one of them has been produced or digitized for the archive.
 
This raid had zero to do with obtaining official records from Trump's home. It's all about finding or planting something that they can use to prevent him from running again. They have never cared much about records before. O'bama still has 30 million pages of records he hasn't let anyone see.
It's a fishing trip. A simple subpoena would of gotten these documents. Also didn't the fbi go through these documents months ago at his house? Yep fishing trip
 
i wonder if we'll even know when this country is actually over? i'm pretty sure it already is but these things are insidious. a slow death that you cant really wrap your mind around because it just couldn't happen.

dishonest media, deep fakes, un ending propaganda, financial controls and suppression, deep state actors, literally changing history, not only denouncing science and biology but weaponizing it . all being injected slowly enough to not realize your terminal until its already to late.

i know were in an Orwellian reality, im pretty sure this stage is animal farm. every day i feel more and more like the old donkey knowing the writing on the barn wall as been changed but watching the rest of the animals accept it as if its always been the way things were, even though you can still see the old writing just crossed out. wonder how long t will be before i know its changed but its so bad i cant remember what it used to say.

i assume the plan is wait out the generation that remembers what it used to be, what its supposed to be, and eventually end up in the end goal of living 1984. hell were already getting the ministry of truth, wont be too much longer
 
Yep, they have never tried to make up a story (Russian Collusion) to get him away from the white house. I'm sure they are completely honest.

You guys have got to be kidding me. You honestly think the media and the left are not against Trump. This is nothing but another witch hunt!!

Honest question do you think Trump and the true republicans are treated anywhere near the same as the left? Please answer that.
No, they aren’t treated the same. And everyone has known it for 30 years.

You do know trump hails from the media industry? It is his essence.
 
Don't flatter yourself, while your at it light a candle for your pet elk.
With you stalking me, I don’t need to flatter myself. But again, the thread isn’t about me so try to keep up.

Better limber up on some crosswords or something…..don’t want to pull a muscle in that melon of yours.
 
Hey Blue, stalking? You need to lighten up on the ensure and check those depends for your daily "accident" your just the normal internet know it all, hiding behind your keyboard, safe and sound.
 
That article that stated the FBI received information from a "confidential informant" that Trump had illegally removed classified papers.

We and Trump will never know who that so called informant is. The feds will refuse to reveal him/her on the basis it would endanger the informant's life. This law was enacted to protect federal informants from being killed by organized crime families such as the Mafia. Feds have abused it in the past to cover up faulty search warrants.
RELH
 
And you’re going to believe anything they say they found….wow, a new one is born every minute. It’s not like we don’t have any examples of this administration lying to get their way! Ygtbfkm
yes I remember 2020 when one guy was in charge and he got alot of people believing the world was against him and he lost the election because Biden and his people was smarter then He was and stole it.
 
Yea Fishing trip that is where you catch the big fish. So just Maybe they catch a really big one.
Still wonder why he tells everyone if THEY plea the 5th they are Guilty.
Guess he didn't mean that meant him.
 
If they find anything at all what went wrong. "You need a hiding place"
plea the 5th is sure kicking a hole in the truth will set ya free.
 
...another original line....

This article claims that "Garland had no prior knowledge of the date and time of the specific raid, nor was he asked to approve it"

Anyone really believe this garbage? And if it's true that he had no knowledge it's a complete chit show
 
Lee wrote that if the search is really about presidential records, why would Trump — who was himself in charge of declassifying documents at the time he obtained and had unfettered access to them — be subject to prosecution for hanging onto classified documents?
Maybe because he don't own them.
Mike lee is great guy KSL must love him he has such good idea's.
 
yes I remember 2020 when one guy was in charge and he got alot of people believing the world was against him and he lost the election because Biden and his people was smarter then He was and stole it.
Yep they were above reproach during the election. They won totally fair.??
 
Eric Trump invoked the Fifth Amendment more than 500 times while testifying in 2020.
Isn't he a big part of his daddy run for the Whine House,
Obama took roughly 30 million pages of documents and artifacts when he left the white house, to this day not one of them has been produced or digitized for the archive.
Please post where the proof that is true. WAS any of them govt paperwork or just run of the mill paperwork that DIDN'T have a top secret seal.

As I understand it they was looking for paperwork that had a Top Secert seals.
 
Homer
Was Trump in office 2020, WHY didn't he ask for those paperwork 30 million top secret hot as Hell paperwork. He had the power to do so, he did have control of the Govt. Was he just lazy or didn't care if Hot as Hell paperwork was in Obama hot hands, Because I know he had zero love for Obama. Sometimes it is easy to figure.
Easy please
 
Homer
Was Trump in office 2020, WHY didn't he ask for those paperwork 30 million top secret hot as Hell paperwork. He had the power to do so, he did have control of the Govt. Was he just lazy or didn't care if Hot as Hell paperwork was in Obama hot hands, Because I know he had zero love for Obama. Sometimes it is easy to figure.
Easy please
Trump didn't care....why would he?....wtf is your point?...I'm not sure you even comprehend what is going on...
 
LOL yes it does matter ask Trump if he cares now if they find a mouse turd with a top Secret stamp in his house plea the 5th might not help him.
If Tristate agree with you I know Something bad is going on in the world.
 
LOL yes it does matter ask Trump if he cares now if they find a mouse turd with a top Secret stamp in his house plea the 5th might not help him.
If Tristate agree with you I know Something bad is going on in the world.
Be careful with those cash job trailer hitches from now on Gator......
 
If I was being interviewed by a agency that hated my guts, I would also plead the 5th. on any questions. I am sure that Trump was advised by his legal staff to not answer any questions as they might try to twist any thing he said looking for that needle in the haystack. This is nothing but a witch hunt to make sure Trump does not run in 2024. If I was a Democrat, I would hang my head in shame.
RELH
 
On Saturday, as my family and I were walking into the grocery store, an old brown mid-60's truck with a "Let's Go Brandon" sticker on the rear window was driving super dangerously through the parking lot, squealing his tires through the aisles and then he slammed on his brakes across four stalls. The driver jumped out screaming obscenities at some older guy in a silver Chevy. The older guy got in his Chevy and left and the guy in the old brown truck went over and started slamming his truck door, revved his engine for a few minutes and then turned it back off and stormed inside.

It seemed like an isolated incident until just now. I took my daughter to Sam's for a few things this evening and we saw a veritable repeat, but this time with a lady in an old red Crown Victoria (picture a retired government car) screaming at a lady in a newer red crossover. The lady in the SUV literally had a shirt on about how she loved being a grandma. The lady in the Crown Vic eventually peeled off like the cops were after her, but not before I saw her advertisement for the purveyor of Made In China clothes, Lions Not Sheep, proudly plastered on her window.

Maybe it's a coincidence... or maybe there's a subset of the population that is feeling horribly disenfranchised right now and that frustration is bleeding over into their daily lives.
 
On Saturday, as my family and I were walking into the grocery store, an old brown mid-60's truck with a "Let's Go Brandon" sticker on the rear window was driving super dangerously through the parking lot, squealing his tires through the aisles and then he slammed on his brakes across four stalls. The driver jumped out screaming obscenities at some older guy in a silver Chevy. The older guy got in his Chevy and left and the guy in the old brown truck went over and started slamming his truck door, revved his engine for a few minutes and then turned it back off and stormed inside.

It seemed like an isolated incident until just now. I took my daughter to Sam's for a few things this evening and we saw a veritable repeat, but this time with a lady in an old red Crown Victoria (picture a retired government car) screaming at a lady in a newer red crossover. The lady in the SUV literally had a shirt on about how she loved being a grandma. The lady in the Crown Vic eventually peeled off like the cops were after her, but not before I saw her advertisement for the purveyor of Made In China clothes, Lions Not Sheep, proudly plastered on her window.

Maybe it's a coincidence; or maybe there's a subset of the population that is feeling horribly disenfranchised right now and that frustration is bleeding over into their daily lives.
That surprises you?....just think if there were hundreds of them burning businesses and cities to the ground....imagine how awful that would be?

I hope we never see something like that....you might get upset
 
No, they aren’t treated the same. And everyone has known it for 30 years.

You do know trump hails from the media industry? It is his essence.


That was before he overnight became a racist xenophobe.

The ONLY developer in America, who is anti foreigner(cheap labor).

Or was it after he pointed out women who wanted to be stats would give anything for it. Proven by Stormy Daniels admitting she banged him for a TV role.

Or was it how he paid hookers to wizz on his bed

Or that he eats ketchup on steak.

Or drinks diet coke.

Or thinks Rosie O'Donnell is a fat pig

Or that he's part of the patriarchy as his daughter runs his buisness.

Or that he would start Ww3. Or .........

Ya. I seem to remember he was in media, and loved, until he dared challenge the anointed one
 
On Saturday, as my family and I were walking into the grocery store, an old brown mid-60's truck with a "Let's Go Brandon" sticker on the rear window was driving super dangerously through the parking lot, squealing his tires through the aisles and then he slammed on his brakes across four stalls. The driver jumped out screaming obscenities at some older guy in a silver Chevy. The older guy got in his Chevy and left and the guy in the old brown truck went over and started slamming his truck door, revved his engine for a few minutes and then turned it back off and stormed inside.

It seemed like an isolated incident until just now. I took my daughter to Sam's for a few things this evening and we saw a veritable repeat, but this time with a lady in an old red Crown Victoria (picture a retired government car) screaming at a lady in a newer red crossover. The lady in the SUV literally had a shirt on about how she loved being a grandma. The lady in the Crown Vic eventually peeled off like the cops were after her, but not before I saw her advertisement for the purveyor of Made In China clothes, Lions Not Sheep, proudly plastered on her window.

Maybe it's a coincidence... or maybe there's a subset of the population that is feeling horribly disenfranchised right now and that frustration is bleeding over into their daily lives.


Want to bet on who the vast majority of murderers, rapists, gang bangers, catalytic converter thieves, bank robbers, shop lifters, etc vote for?


Take your daughter to Rose Park, drop her off with all the Democrat voters one night.

I dare you
 
That surprises you?....just think if there were hundreds of them burning businesses and cities to the ground....imagine how awful that would be?

I hope we never see something like that....you might get upset
If there's a correlation between a specific political persuasion and emotional dysregulation, then yes, that would surprise me.

It's one thing to be concerned about politics, it's quite another to get violent in a parking lot over some perceived slight because you've lost control of your emotions.
 
That surprises you?....just think if there were hundreds of them burning businesses and cities to the ground....imagine how awful that would be?

I hope we never see something like that....you might get upset
Oh yeah, don't forget this gem from last weekend.


These three incidents all took place within six blocks of each other in the last four days and all from people with similar political leanings.

People need to calm the freak down.
 
Oh yeah, don't forget this gem from last weekend.


These three incidents all took place within six blocks of each other in the last four days and all from people with similar political leanings.

They need to calm the freak down.


So, single dudes walking around filming kids, and a lady objecting, proves, what exactly?

I'm sure you'd be perfectly fine if they were filming your daughter?


Rose Park. You pick the night.

I dare you
 
In other words, "We may be immature children who lose our tempers and try and pick fights with the elderly in parking lots, but antifa rioted in June 2021.“
and you thought that was ok....because it furthered your cause
 
and you thought that was ok....because it furthered your cause
More dishonesty from @Homer.

I never said I thought the riots were okay, that's absurd.

Just like I said I had no idea whether the FBI raid was justified, yet you quoted me saying that very thing and still wrote below that I thought it was justified. That's dishonest.

You're clearly not capable of having an honest conversation. It's time to stop responding to you like I quit responding to other people that pull stuff out of their @ss when they're losing a debate on the merits.

I can respect a real discussion or difference of opinion, but when somebody can't even be honest or stay on point, they're going to have to debate it with somebody else because I lose interest.

Have a good night.
 
Grizz come on, are you serious.
Because someone has a sticker in there window "lions not sheep" makes them a right winger and a women concerned about men videoing young girls makes her a right winger.
It kind of sounds like you need to calm the freak down.
 
Grizz come on, are you serious.
Because someone has a sticker in there window "lions not sheep" makes them a right winger and a women concerned about men videoing young girls makes her a right winger.
It kind of sounds like you need to calm the freak down.
Um, yeah, if you're rocking Lions Not Sheep, then you're a "right winger." Just like if somebody has a Bernie sticker on their car they're a liberal.

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"Give violence a chance"

Really?

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You really belive Republicans is the cause of all the hate and discontent in America.
Have you seen the protests about abortion and what the left wing are saying about Republicans.
Have you seen what the left wings are saying about you and I and everyone else that owns fire arms.
Look at what pepole on this very sight say about guys that support Trump.
Earlier in this thread you had a post that talked negatively about Trump and Trump supporters and then at the end you stated "most people are good pepole" grizz we all know what you insinuated with that comment.
You have been talking down and insinuating about most of us on this site for years now. We all get it you are the honest one, you are the only one that sees the true light.
Please give us a break.
If you have not heard that song by Mac Davis " It is hard to be humble " then you might want to listen to it.
 
Grizz I like you. However, it doesn't mean you are more intelligent than others just because always take the middle road. Sometimes just taking the middle road on everything and thinking you're so sophisticated and open-minded is really dumb. Congrats you are open minded and can see both sides. So can we. The problem is too many people are taking this middle road, it's time to stand up for what's right. The left is taking this country down the drain, yes the right has corruption too, but the left with very few exceptions does not have our best interest at heart. You must see this?
 
You really belive Republicans is the cause of all the hate and discontent in America.
Have you seen the protests about abortion and what the left wing are saying about Republicans.
Have you seen what the left wings are saying about you and I and everyone else that owns fire arms.
Look at what pepole on this very sight say about guys that support Trump.
Earlier in this thread you had a post that talked negatively about Trump and Trump supporters and then at the end you stated "most people are good pepole" grizz we all know what you insinuated with that comment.
You have been talking down and insinuating about most of us on this site for years now. We all get it you are the honest one, you are the only one that sees the true light.
Please give us a break.
If you have not heard that song by Mac Davis " It is hard to be humble " then you might want to listen to it.
Good heavens, notdon, this isn't about abortion or 2021 riots or Hunter or Hillary or Epstein. None of that has anything to do with the FBI raid. It's not implicative or exculpatory.

My comment about the people threatening the elderly was asking if there was a proclivity towards lack of control of one's emotions from a certain group of the population. The original post was based on the sense of disenchantment felt by a group of people and displayed as anger and resentment, it even shows up on MM in the form of detestment towards those that don't preach the pro-Trump mantra. PS. The "Give Violence A Chance" shirt didn't help their case.

Also, I insinuated nothing in my previous post. I was simply saying that the majority of Americans don't buy into the conspiracy crap and most are good people that just want to live their lives. The problem with social media is it's put certain people in an echo chamber where they proudly only talk to people that parrot back to them what they want to hear. They begin to think what they read there is pervasive throughout society. It's not.
 
Grizz I like you. However, it doesn't mean you are more intelligent than others just because always take the middle road. Sometimes just taking the middle road on everything and thinking you're so sophisticated and open-minded is really dumb. Congrats you are open minded and can see both sides. So can we. The problem is too many people are taking this middle road, it's time to stand up for what's right. The left is taking this country down the drain, yes the right has corruption too, but the left with very few exceptions does not have our best interest at heart. You must see this?
lol....he doesn't take the middle road...he's just like Tog...smartest in the room and is not responsible for either side...but only bad mouths the right
 
Um, yeah, if you're rocking Lions Not Sheep, then you're a "right winger." Just like if somebody has a Bernie sticker on their car they're a liberal.

___________

"Give violence a chance"

Really?

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Okay, I'll give it to ya. They were most likely right wingers. But so what. Yes there may be a few right wingers that have snapped or lack the best judgement. This has nothing to do with the widespread corruption of the left. What are you saying? Because there are a few idiot right wingers the left is off the hook? They hate the America we love. They will stop at nothing to change it!
 
Grizz I like you. However, it doesn't mean you are more intelligent than others just because always take the middle road. Sometimes just taking the middle road on everything and thinking you're so sophisticated and open-minded is really dumb. Congrats you are open minded and can see both sides. So can we. The problem is too many people are taking this middle road, it's time to stand up for what's right. The left is taking this country down the drain, yes the right has corruption too, but the left with very few exceptions does not have our best interest at heart. You must see this?
I appreciate your perspective and discussion. I'm not a liberal person, don't support liberal policies, don't vote for liberal people. I don't espouse liberal viewpoints here or anywhere else. I've never said I was pro-Biden or Hillary in any way, for example. But how often have I been accused of being a Biden supporter? Dozens? Hundreds?

There are a lot of people that can't wrap their heads around nuance. They think the world is black and white, right is right and left is evil. They truly believe if you see Trump as a con man wannabe-despot who attempted a "coup in search of a legal theory," as one federal judge put it, that you must therefore be a socialist trying to overthrow the government to instill Antifa beliefs and burn our Constitution.

That's ridiculous, but there are those that are brainwashed to believe it be hearing it over and over again from their far right media. Not everybody that dislikes Trump is a communist.

I'm simply offering a different perspective than the majority because people need to have their views challenged. There are plenty of people challenging mine. A healthy debate is a good thing.
 
On Saturday, as my family and I were walking into the grocery store, an old brown mid-60's truck with a "Let's Go Brandon" sticker on the rear window was driving super dangerously through the parking lot, squealing his tires through the aisles and then he slammed on his brakes across four stalls. The driver jumped out screaming obscenities at some older guy in a silver Chevy. The older guy got in his Chevy and left and the guy in the old brown truck went over and started slamming his truck door, revved his engine for a few minutes and then turned it back off and stormed inside.

It seemed like an isolated incident until just now. I took my daughter to Sam's for a few things this evening and we saw a veritable repeat, but this time with a lady in an old red Crown Victoria (picture a retired government car) screaming at a lady in a newer red crossover. The lady in the SUV literally had a shirt on about how she loved being a grandma. The lady in the Crown Vic eventually peeled off like the cops were after her, but not before I saw her advertisement for the purveyor of Made In China clothes, Lions Not Sheep, proudly plastered on her window.

Maybe it's a coincidence... or maybe there's a subset of the population that is feeling horribly disenfranchised right now and that frustration is bleeding over into their daily lives.
Cool story
 
I appreciate your perspective and discussion. I'm not a liberal person, don't support liberal policies, don't vote for liberal people. I don't espouse liberal viewpoints here or anywhere else. I've never said I was pro-Biden or Hillary in any way, for example. But how often have I been accused of being a Biden supporter? Dozens? Hundreds?

There are a lot of people that can't wrap their heads around nuance. They think the world is black and white, right is right and left is evil. They truly believe if you see Trump as a con man wannabe-despot who attempted a "coup in search of a legal theory," as one federal judge put it, that you must therefore be a socialist trying to overthrow the government to instill Antifa beliefs and burn our Constitution.

That's ridiculous, but there are those that are brainwashed to believe it be hearing it over and over again from their far right media. Not everybody that dislikes Trump is a communist.

I'm simply offering a different perspective than the majority because people need to have their views challenged. There are plenty of people challenging mine. A healthy debate is a good thing.
Well here's the problem. Trump stands for nearly anything and everything the Constitution stands for. He proved it he put America first. Can you admit he put America first? These other politicians never put us first and seem to not really love America. So when people come after Trump it seems like they don't like America. Yes he can be an arrogant jerk. Yes he can be blunt and rude. Yes he doesn't know when to drop something sometimes. However, he loves America and would do anything for the betterment of the country, he doesn't care what anyone thinks. So would you rather have someone in office that lies to your face, doesn't keep promises, has no respect from other countries, passes outrageous climate bills and puts America last and other countries first, or an arrogant jerk that improves our country, follows the Constitution, has the fear and respect of other world leaders and has a spine of steel?

Everyone gets so caught up on character. It makes me laugh when they vote for Joe Biden because they're caught up on the character of Trump. To me character doesn't matter, the stance on issues and follow through is what matters.
 
Never said it was about abortion,Hilary, Hunter.
You told stores about three individuals attacking other individuals. I gave you examples of groups attacking a political party.
What does the comment your words not mine "about the people threatening the elderly was asking if there was a proclivity towards lack of control of one's emotions from a certain group of the population" have to do with Trump's home being raided.
That certain group you will not name is the Republicans.
You are lecturing others about being honest.
 
Okay, I'll give it to ya. They were most likely right wingers. But so what. Yes there may be a few right wingers that have snapped or lack the best judgement. This has nothing to do with the widespread corruption of the left.

Agreed. They're unrelated and I never said they're related. I'm not the one that immediately tried to tie it to rioting from a year ago or Hunter or anybody else.

What are you saying? Because there are a few idiot right wingers the left is off the hook?

Nope, I just said they have nothing to do with each other. But I've seen three right-wingers over the last five days within six blocks of each other acting like assholes. Why is that? What's their problem?

I'm not seeing it from the left in my town, only the far right. And not from the run-of-the-mill conservatives (this is Utah, remember) but those that are ideologues enough to put stickers on their car and post fake news videos online while calling the cops on innocent people at the carnival are causing problems.

They hate the America we love. They will stop at nothing to change it!

I'm pretty sure I just covered that in the last post. I disagree with the premise that the run-of-the-mill liberal "hates America." They may want changes and use the ballot and court system to change it, but so does the right. That's how our country is set up, it's literally the most Constitutional thing ever.

My belief (and this goes to what I said many posts ago) is that if you throw the furthest left 5% of people and the furthest right 5% of the people out of the mix and just focus on the middle 90% of people, that we actually want the same thing.

Somebody, maybe @2lumpy?, said something similar above, but it's what I've long believed... Americans all want the same things: to raise our families the way we want them raised, to have our little piece of heaven and goals that we can aspire towards, and to be left alone. We just have different ways we think we're going to get there. But we have very similar goals.

For example, your goal may be to have 40 acres and a few animals and a new pickup truck in the garage. Another person wants to live in a city, ride public transit, and go to musicals and fancy restaurants. They're very different, but ultimately they're very similar. You each just want to live your life and be left alone.

THAT'S AMERICA!

Hating those that vote differently isn't what the Founding Fathers had in mind, they welcomed the difference of opinion and saw our country as a melting pot where the sum was greater than the parts. That's my opinion anyway.
 
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Well here's the problem. Trump stands for nearly anything and everything the Constitution stands for. He proved it he put America first. Can you admit he put America first? These other politicians never put us first and seem to not really love America. So when people come after Trump it seems like they don't like America. Yes he can be an arrogant jerk. Yes he can be blunt and rude. Yes he doesn't know when to drop something sometimes. However, he loves America and would do anything for the betterment of the country, he doesn't care what anyone thinks. So would you rather have someone in office that lies to your face, doesn't keep promises, has no respect from other countries, passes outrageous climate bills and puts America last and other countries first, or an arrogant jerk that improves our country, follows the Constitution, has the fear and respect of other world leaders and has a spine of steel?

Everyone gets so caught up on character. It makes me laugh when they vote for Joe Biden because they're caught up on the character of Trump. To me character doesn't matter, the stance on issues and follow through is what matters.
To answer your question (bolded by me for clarity)... No, I do not believe Trump put America first.

I also don't think it will be fruitful for us to get in a conversation on why we disagree as I know enough about Trump to have formed my opinion and suspect you feel the same and I respect your opinion enough to just shake your hand and say we see things differently on this one. Hopefully you feel the same.
 
To answer your question (bolded by me for clarity)... No, I do not believe Trump put America first.

I also don't think it will be fruitful for us to get in a conversation on why we disagree as I know enough about Trump to have formed my opinion and suspect you feel the same and I respect your opinion enough to just shake your hand and say we see things differently on this one. Hopefully you feel the same.
?, Good luck to you this season. We will see you around!
 
Nope, I just said they have nothing to do with each other. But I've seen three right-wingers over the last five days within six blocks of each other acting like assholes. Why is that? What's their problem?

I'm not seeing it from the left in my town, only the far right. And not from the run-of-the-mill conservatives (this is Utah, remember) but those that are ideologues enough to put stickers on their car and post fake news videos online while calling the cops on innocent people at the carnival are causing problems.
You must not pay much attention to news in Utah, oh I am sorry you read SLTRIB.
Did you not see the several incidents with leftest teachers in the Alpine district this past year.
Somebody, maybe @2lumpy?, said something similar above, but it's what I've long believed... Americans all want the same things: to raise our families the way we want them raised, to have our little piece of heaven and goals that we can aspire towards, and to be left alone. We just have different ways we think we're going to get there. But we have very similar goals.

For example, your goal may be to have 40 acres and a few animals and a new pickup truck in the garage. Another person wants to live in a city, ride public transit, and go to musicals and fancy restaurants. They're very different, but ultimately they're very similar. You each just want to live your life and be left alone.

THAT'S AMERICA!

Hating those that vote differently isn't what the Founding Fathers had in mind, they welcomed the difference of opinion and saw our country as a melting pot where the sum was greater than the parts. That's my opinion anyway.
Great theory.
One problem since the Democratic Party has taking the Green New Deal as their part platform it would not be possible to live are own personal dreams. It clearly states in the Green New Deal that we all must locate to city centers and live in city controlled housing. The farmers will travel out and tend their crops on a daily bases. Of course the farmes that the Green New Deal talks about do not resemble the farms we know of today.
Sorry grizzly what I see we are fighting for two totally different America's. I mean the Dems and the Repubs.
 
277 post. F yah!!! Trump is being Shanghaid. WTF. A deaf, blind, mutt could comprehend WTF is is going on. Anything else IS deepstateism. In my state if you supported this chit we will not support you. BENNET AND HICKENLOOPER need to go too!!! Those 2 = swamp.
 
This whole Trump raid is really getting to the point of having a rotten smell of dead fish and dog poop combined. First they base the search warrant on the so called confidential informant that we will probably never know who he/she was,

Then they go judge shopping to guarantee getting a judge that appears to be bias against Trump. Trump's lawyers are going to have a field day if this ever goes to court.

If I had pulled half the crap the feds are known to have done with search warrants, I would have been fired and possibly tried in court for violating a person's rights under the color of law.

RELH
 
That was before he overnight became a racist xenophobe.

The ONLY developer in America, who is anti foreigner(cheap labor).

Or was it after he pointed out women who wanted to be stats would give anything for it. Proven by Stormy Daniels admitting she banged him for a TV role.

Or was it how he paid hookers to wizz on his bed

Or that he eats ketchup on steak.

Or drinks diet coke.

Or thinks Rosie O'Donnell is a fat pig

Or that he's part of the patriarchy as his daughter runs his buisness.

Or that he would start Ww3. Or .........

Ya. I seem to remember he was in media, and loved, until he dared challenge the anointed one
Or maybe he’s just an azz and people had enough.

Its time for him to put up or shut up.
 
I appreciate your perspective and discussion. I'm not a liberal person, don't support liberal policies, don't vote for liberal people. I don't espouse liberal viewpoints here or anywhere else. I've never said I was pro-Biden or Hillary in any way, for example. But how often have I been accused of being a Biden supporter? Dozens? Hundreds?

There are a lot of people that can't wrap their heads around nuance. They think the world is black and white, right is right and left is evil. They truly believe if you see Trump as a con man wannabe-despot who attempted a "coup in search of a legal theory," as one federal judge put it, that you must therefore be a socialist trying to overthrow the government to instill Antifa beliefs and burn our Constitution.

That's ridiculous, but there are those that are brainwashed to believe it be hearing it over and over again from their far right media. Not everybody that dislikes Trump is a communist.

I'm simply offering a different perspective than the majority because people need to have their views challenged. There are plenty of people challenging mine. A healthy debate is a good thing.

Nuance?

You saw 2 incidents involving "Trumpsters", in Cache Valley(for those that don't know a very conservative area) and you nuanced how that meant what? 80 million people were violent?

You do have a blind spot. Perhaps willfully, but all the disagreement we've had have started because I, and dozens of others catch it. You will say it nuance, but we all read the thread where you dropped the article about lions not lambs that somehow attached to Trump. I, and others pointed out the bias part including Trump, and now here you are again, with lions not lambs. We caught the "nuance" before, the second time it was easy to see.

We caught the xenophobe, non military supporter nuance in the post of dudes filming kids.

Now of course I can post dudes in Black Bloc, burning, destroying, killing, and you'll call it what aboutism. I could post folks in black T shirts with BLACK LIVES MATTER burning and looting and you'd call it strawman.Meaning , I guess, that only right wing fashion can be tied to ideology?
 
Be careful with those cash job trailer hitches from now on Gator......
LOL I will keep a eye on those jobs.
Make sure none of it will be sent to Trump.
For a guy that is a "billionaire" he sure ask for alot of money from his sheep.
 
Or maybe he’s just an azz and people had enough.

Its time for him to put up or shut up.

That's exclusive to one dude? Really?

I'm actually more shocked, after 6 years of everyone from the CIA down trying to bury him, that he's as clean as he is.

Problem people have with him is he doesn't have a filter.

He'll talk about "grabbing them by the ?", which makes a ton of women and men have real difficult conversations.

He'll talk about America First, knowing full well China owns our government

He'll crack the CIA, which at one time was fashionable among the left.

He hits the global elites, which them turns into an asshat competition.

He pointed out what we all knew, the media aren't journalists.

What he did do, was make the fake, double faced, posers, expose themselves for what they are. They hated him so much, they forgot to hide their true selves and motivations. We all saw it.


Unlike most, I don't think he's an evil genius.

He just has zero filter. After decades or political speak, pronouns, PR spin, fakeness, he shocked the American system.

I'd still prefer Desantis 100x
 
You must not pay much attention to news in Utah, oh I am sorry you read SLTRIB.
Did you not see the several incidents with leftest teachers in the Alpine district this past year.

Great theory.
One problem since the Democratic Party has taking the Green New Deal as their part platform it would not be possible to live are own personal dreams. It clearly states in the Green New Deal that we all must locate to city centers and live in city controlled housing. The farmers will travel out and tend their crops on a daily bases. Of course the farmes that the Green New Deal talks about do not resemble the farms we know of today.
Sorry grizzly what I see we are fighting for two totally different America's. I mean the Dems and the Repubs.


That's a conspiracy. There's no group of elitists trying to Reset America. Pay no attention to what they write, what they talk about, what meetings they attend. You are obviously Alex Jones?.

You reading what they write, listening to what they talk about, and seeing what they push for is just you being some right wing, Proud Boy member, wearing Lions not lambs. ??
 
Or maybe he’s just an azz and people had enough.

Its time for him to put up or shut up.
Sheeh blue if being an a$$ is justification me an you should both be sent to the dark side of the Moon. Just sayin!
 
Here you go griz
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I must admit, I have to place some of the blame for the sorry state this country is in on hard working conservative people like myself. For years we tolerate all the crap going on trying to be peaceful as we raised our families and worked. Now I don’t care. I will wear anti Biden, anti liberal, and anti media T-shirts along with display bumper stickers. Even in California you would be amazed at the amount of quiet conservative people.
Another part of the blame goes to the Republican Party. They should of been grooming future presidents instead of full filling their own greed.
And by the way, you don’t know the story behind the guy in the PU. The car could of cut him off and he honked at the car. And then the driver flipped him off. You never know.
 
Here you go griz
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I must admit, I have to place some of the blame for the sorry state this country is in on hard working conservative people like myself. For years we tolerate all the crap going on trying to be peaceful as we raised our families and worked. Now I don’t care. I will wear anti Biden, anti liberal, and anti media T-shirts along with display bumper stickers. Even in California you would be amazed at the amount of quiet conservative people.
Another part of the blame goes to the Republican Party. They should of been grooming future presidents instead of full filling their own greed.
And by the way, you don’t know the story behind the guy in the PU. The car could of cut him off and he honked at the car. And then the driver flipped him off. You never know.
Damn it LIK2…….. stop it…… you’re making sense and it’s too early to start that!
 
Well here's the problem. Trump stands for nearly anything and everything the Constitution stands for. He proved it he put America first. Can you admit he put America first? These other politicians never put us first and seem to not really love America. So when people come after Trump it seems like they don't like America. Yes he can be an arrogant jerk. Yes he can be blunt and rude. Yes he doesn't know when to drop something sometimes. However, he loves America and would do anything for the betterment of the country, he doesn't care what anyone thinks. So would you rather have someone in office that lies to your face, doesn't keep promises, has no respect from other countries, passes outrageous climate bills and puts America last and other countries first, or an arrogant jerk that improves our country, follows the Constitution, has the fear and respect of other world leaders and has a spine of steel?

Everyone gets so caught up on character. It makes me laugh when they vote for Joe Biden because they're caught up on the character of Trump. To me character doesn't matter, the stance on issues and follow through is what matters.
My feelings exactly!
Couldn’t of said it better myself Great post!
 
Here you go griz
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I must admit, I have to place some of the blame for the sorry state this country is in on hard working conservative people like myself. For years we tolerate all the crap going on trying to be peaceful as we raised our families and worked. Now I don’t care. I will wear anti Biden, anti liberal, and anti media T-shirts along with display bumper stickers. Even in California you would be amazed at the amount of quiet conservative people.
Another part of the blame goes to the Republican Party. They should of been grooming future presidents instead of full filling their own greed.
And by the way, you don’t know the story behind the guy in the PU. The car could of cut him off and he honked at the car. And then the driver flipped him off. You never know.
I don't know the situation, but let's say your scenario is exactly right and the guy cut him off and then flipped him off, it still doesn't justify the response. A near-violent encounter in a parking lot with an old guy where you charge over to him and tell him you're going to f'ing beat his @ss and that he won't make it because he's so old... all because of a middle finger? Grow up!

But, of course, I'm not the type that buys right-wing t-shirts saying, "Give violence a chance," so maybe I'm wrong.
 
Here you go griz
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I must admit, I have to place some of the blame for the sorry state this country is in on hard working conservative people like myself. For years we tolerate all the crap going on trying to be peaceful as we raised our families and worked. Now I don’t care. I will wear anti Biden, anti liberal, and anti media T-shirts along with display bumper stickers. Even in California you would be amazed at the amount of quiet conservative people.
Another part of the blame goes to the Republican Party. They should of been grooming future presidents instead of full filling their own greed.
And by the way, you don’t know the story behind the guy in the PU. The car could of cut him off and he honked at the car. And then the driver flipped him off. You never know.
Oh, the bumper sticker game.

I saw a couple I agreed with 100% the other day:

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Sheeh blue if being an a$$ is justification me an you should both be sent to the dark side of the Moon. Just sayin!
We aren’t the prez, and we aren’t feeling sorry for ourselves. It’s another beautiful day. :)
 
We aren’t the prez, and we aren’t feeling sorry for ourselves. It’s another beautiful day. :)
Yup…… we’re just like the rest of them, as long as it’s someone else getting gutted, particularly if it’s someone what we don’t like…….it’s another beautiful day. I get it.

I wonder which beautiful day they’ll come for us…….. You ever wonder bout that blue?
 
i like the give violence a chance shirt. there was a time in this country when that would have been viewed as the satire it is. now, you get guys like Grizzly pointing to what an existential threat to democracy that T shirt is and im sure if he ever saw one being worn in the mean streets of Cache Valley would warrant an immediate call to the secret police for internment of the traitor for the good of the people

where did that elkass post about pussifying america go?....
 
Support the blue, whether they work for the county, the state, or the feds; whether they bring charges against the president or the gang-banger on the street. If there is a case to be had, then I am content to know that a jury will study the evidence in its entirety in due time and reach the best conclusion possible under the laws of the land. That is the basic principle of justice in the U.S.

If the FBI suspects that any citizen illegally possesses top secret information, then I would certainly hope that they would act to retrieve it, no matter what position of power that citizen once held. In fact, the greater the power of the position, the greater the need for strict adherence to law.

Trump understands his obligation to America. If the accusation is true, then the documents taken must be recovered. If not, then Trump will bask a little longer in the limelight. But there is no need to rush to judgement. Let law enforcement do its job.
 
You forget your most important one Bullskin..

“Support the blue, whether they work for the county, the state, or the feds, or the LEFT”
 
Yup…… we’re just like the rest of them, as long as it’s someone else getting gutted, particularly if it’s someone what we don’t like…….it’s another beautiful day. I get it.

I wonder which beautiful day they’ll come for us…….. You ever wonder bout that blue?
I would wager that I could withstand the scrutiny that the former prez now suffers under. And he is entitled to due process just like I am.

Thats some dark thinking. If I were a liberal I would say you should take stock of what you’re doing, and maybe consider some changes. But I’m a librarian so will mind my own business. :)
 
anything above a local police department at this point has lost all credibility. i have no support, trust or admiration for any of the alphabet agencies or any of the people that work for them.

they did that. not me
 
anything above a local police department at this point has lost all credibility. i have no support, trust or admiration for any of the alphabet agencies or any of the people that work for them.

they did that. not me

The drug dealer on the corner says exactly the same thing about your city cops. Ultimately, a jury gets to decide who to trust. I would rather leave it to that jury, selected from the most moderate members of society, than to left or right-wingers advocating for their cause on social media.
 
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