Task Force comment period for next meeting is open .

I was surprised how the majority of comments aligned regardless of residency. Glad I did not say anything too stupid since they included names with comments :). It was a little unclear where the majority stood on the outfitter tag issue jeez - that should never come up again in my lifetime anyway. I was also impressed with the number of female respondents.

A serious thank you to those that work behind the scenes on these issues.

There were also significant comments calling out the BS wilderness law. I doubt anything will change but it appears few people support this either.

I doubt my or other non-resident comments mattered too much but I appreciate the opportunity to voice my opinion.
Every comment mattered. They know where the money is coming from.
But to the residents that supported was a welcome change from the normal hate NR comments
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Every comment mattered. They know where the money is coming from.
But to the residents that supported was a welcome change from the normal hate NR commentsView attachment 83927
You just can't leave well enough alone. "Normal hate NR comments"? Truth is, guys like you put the "I don't give a whip about NRs" into any resident.

I'll tell you how much NR comments on those issues mattered. Next month, a filter will separate NR comments so they don't even need to be considered. There was mention at this last meeting that TF members felt it was too difficult to separate resident from NR comments.

And as far as revenue is concerned, all NR are about to give the G&F a big pay raise for keeping DEA allocations where they are at. Do you think your comments will prevent that?
 
So from outfitter welfare to resident? ? Most NR will pay the increase, just like we have in the past, Wyoming is a great place to hunt. I have no issue with a price increase at all. I just want to hunt.

Look back at my posts on this. I was one of the very few that supported the 90/10 and residents having 1st crack at leftovers.
 
I don't remember very many if any hate comments on here. Just a bunch of bickering about who should get what
 
So from outfitter welfare to resident? ? Most NR will pay the increase, just like we have in the past, Wyoming is a great place to hunt. I have no issue with a price increase at all. I just want to hunt.

Look back at my posts on this. I was one of the very few that supported the 90/10 and residents having 1st crack at leftovers.
I agree- like it or not, although some NRs might drop out with higher fees, a 50% increase will still sell every available tag.
 
Every comment mattered. They know where the money is coming from.
But to the residents that supported was a welcome change from the normal hate NR commentsView attachment 83927
You are correct, every comment did matter. Task Force member Pat Crank said as much.

"Crank said he was influenced by the 2,500+ nonresident DIY hunter comments opposed to any outfitter draw the WWTF received on the Grand Compromise proposals since its July meeting. He said he was concerned that this would hurt the regular, nonresident DIY (Do It Yourself) hunter and this "makes it a rich man's game."
 
You are correct, every comment did matter. Task Force member Pat Crank said as much.

"Crank said he was influenced by the 2,500+ nonresident DIY hunter comments opposed to any outfitter draw the WWTF received on the Grand Compromise proposals since its July meeting. He said he was concerned that this would hurt the regular, nonresident DIY (Do It Yourself) hunter and this "makes it a rich man's game."
Wow! I didn't think my non-resident comment would make any difference. Thanks to Buzz and other residents who supported the Non-Resident DIY's out there versus the outfitters set-aside, really really appreciate it. We had very similar comments on equity and the north american wildlife model.
 
You are correct, every comment did matter. Task Force member Pat Crank said as much.

"Crank said he was influenced by the 2,500+ nonresident DIY hunter comments opposed to any outfitter draw the WWTF received on the Grand Compromise proposals since its July meeting. He said he was concerned that this would hurt the regular, nonresident DIY (Do It Yourself) hunter and this "makes it a rich man's game."

And yet he suggested raising the special license costs by 50% to create a pseudo outfitter draw by pricing out the diy guys.
 
And yet he suggested raising the special license costs by 50% to create a pseudo outfitter draw by pricing out the diy guys.
I don't agree with he stated logic on the price increase causing more outfitted hunters. I would argue that most NR DIY hunters have a max budget in mind, and increasing the special draw tag price would cause less NR's to go outfitted. Many DIY hunters prefer the non-outfitted experience, it is not a cost vs results based decision.

A 50% cost increase does not turn it into a rich man's sport, a 500% does. But yes, it may have an impact on some NR DIYers, most likely they will apply in the regular draw.

Just one man's opinion...
 
I don't agree with he stated logic on the price increase causing more outfitted hunters. I would argue that most NR DIY hunters have a max budget in mind, and increasing the special draw tag price would cause less NR's to go outfitted. Many DIY hunters prefer the non-outfitted experience, it is not a cost vs results based decision.

A 50% cost increase does not turn it into a rich man's sport, a 500% does. But yes, it may have an impact on some NR DIYers, most likely they will apply in the regular draw.

Just one man's opinion...
I agree with most of that. But I do believe if you are willing to shell out $5-10K for an outfitter (I have no idea what they cost), an extra 500 or 1000 for the tag is not gonna price you out.

Just another man's opinion- I am fine if they increase the special prices. I've always viewed the special allocations as "hey, I really, really wanna hunt" tags. But keep them to less than 50% of the available tags so those on stricter budgets get the majority of tags.
 
I agree with most of that. But I do believe if you are willing to shell out $5-10K for an outfitter (I have no idea what they cost), an extra 500 or 1000 for the tag is not gonna price you out.

Just another man's opinion- I am fine if they increase the special prices. I've always viewed the special allocations as "hey, I really, really wanna hunt" tags. But keep them to less than 50% of the available tags so those on stricter budgets get the majority of tags.
I would be ok with them doubling it. Just give me a tag.
 
The WG&F budget gets overlooked by many.

According to Treedagain's chart above nonres support the following % of the WG&F revenue budget: antelope 88%, deer 81%, elk 75%. This doesn't include all the other nonres tags and license fees on the list.

What % of the total WG&F budget will nonres support if nonres license fees double? Obviously nonres will support an even higher % of the total budget if these fees increase. My guess is that nonres will support roughly 90+% of the total revenue? Wyo res will likely be supporting less than 10% of the WG&F budget.....seems a little odd to me? I don't think any state in the Western US collects 90% of their total budget from nonres?

The biggest $ maker on the entire list is pref pt fees where nonres support 99% of these fees. Nonres pref pt revenue is $12,091,618 vs only $101,983 from Wyo res. Every nonres that continues to apply each year for pref pts is an easy $ maker for the WG&F. With status quo tag allotments, nonres applicants continue to increase each year and purchase more pref pts each year. You can pretty much guarantee this won't be the case if nonres limited tags are cut in 1/2 and it takes twice as long to draw the same tags. If nonres DIY hunters start dropping out of the draws (and paying for pref pts) the easy $ WG&F receives each and every year from nonres would significantly drop from both the decrease in license and pref pt revenue. Your guess is as good as mine how this will impact long-term WG&F revenue.

If nonres support 90+% of the WG&F budget you would think that any cut in nonres tags will significantly decrease the total budget? If nonres tag cuts are made you can bet your bottom $ that Wyo res will need to step up to the plate and pay a lot higher prices for tags to make up for the deficits? From what I've seen and heard, most Wyo res have been totally against even slight tag increases.

Yep, as I've been saying all along.....go ahead and charge nonres higher license and pref pt fees! Please double them...you are doing every nonres another favor. Nonres will likely have to save up to afford hunting Wyo but at least tag quotas will likely remain the same. It will become even tougher for 90/10 to ever happen! Status quo tag allotments sound great to me!
 
wapitibob, I’m pretty sure some of the remaining revenue is from grants and other sources that nonres contribute to? As an example, RMEF and muley foundation grants?
 
Thanks HikeHunt61!

Well Buzz, conservation group grants are listed in the above post so I think you are absolutely wrong!

Nonres and Wyo res contribute Federal Aid $ in the form of fed tax on sporting arms, ammunition, etc so you are absolutely wrong about that funding as well!

Well Buzz, do you think nonres contribute anything in the "other" category? I don't believe only Wyo res purchase the Wyo Wildlife Magazine and other publications. Do you seriously believe Wyo res are the only ones that donate to access yes?

If you total all of those it's a major chunk of the WG&F budget!

It was a tough week battling cheatgrass in the hot sun so I'm glad I have Buzz to vent on!
 
No problem!

I would say this- the federal aid is likely apportioned by sales within states- so the majority of that will be resident based.

Grants, I suppose, could be more heavily apportioned to states like Wyoming, but that would be pure speculation.

Other is pretty small, not a big mover.

So one might claim another $3-4M that Wyoming enjoys due to NRs.

That said- I guess my thinking is this: I'm just damn happy I get to hunt every few years in Wyoming. I appreciate that Wyoming is pretty darn friendly to NRs. I don't want them to go 90-10 either, but even if they did, Wyoming would figure out how to fund the mix change. Considering the great demand for NR permits, they could double prices and sell every single license. They've shown great restraint over the years to balance opportunity and cost though.
 
Very well put HH61. I believe every nonres is thankful for the opportunity to hunt Wyo. Also thankful having the choice after drawing a tag to either hunt DIY/OYO or hire an outfitter!
 
Thanks HikeHunt61!

Well Buzz, conservation group grants are listed in the above post so I think you are absolutely wrong!

Nonres and Wyo res contribute Federal Aid $ in the form of fed tax on sporting arms, ammunition, etc so you are absolutely wrong about that funding as well!

Well Buzz, do you think nonres contribute anything in the "other" category? I don't believe only Wyo res purchase the Wyo Wildlife Magazine and other publications. Do you seriously believe Wyo res are the only ones that donate to access yes?

If you total all of those it's a major chunk of the WG&F budget!

It was a tough week battling cheatgrass in the hot sun so I'm glad I have Buzz to vent on!
Yes, I do believe that Residents donate a lot to accessyes.

Sebastian, post up the letters you've received from the Department.

Got this one a few years back for being in the top ten individual donors to accessyes:

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Here's another I received:

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I bet you donate nothing to accessyes, but probably take advantage of the program.

Oh, and while you were out "battling cheatgrass", I was out doing battle with Alaska fish...and I won.

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Buzz, you deserve another pat on the back and handshake! You are everyone's idol and hero! Be sure to post another dozen or so pictures from your trip! We never get enough of them!
 

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