Race and Hunting. Colorado..

just_a_hunter

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What in the crap does this have to do with hunting, and why is it needed before I can purchase a tag off the leftover list?

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Todd
 
The male or female part has to line up with the identification used to track hunter CID numbers and such. Again, what does race have to do with hunting and why is CPW responsible for coming up race educational programs that resonates with all Coloradans?

Todd
 
The male or female part has to line up with the identification used to track hunter CID numbers and such. Again, what does race have to do with hunting and why is CPW responsible for coming up race educational programs that resonates with all Coloradans?

Todd
Probably so they can identify you in the field as the person you say you are on your licence so people aren't out there printing their own. But that's just a guess
 
One problem is they pose the question right before being able to add the tag to the cart while trying to purchase leftover tags that are sold on a first come first serve basis off the re-issue list. People who have already answered the question don’t have to, nor do people standing at the counter of a sales agent giving them the way better chance at purchasing the tag with one less step. But, the biggest problem is it shouldn’t have anything to do with Colorado Parks and Wildlife. I certainly seem like the odd man out here but I’m really bothered there is one more government agency wanting to know my race before they’ll allow me to purchase a freaking hunting license after I have been a resident here since 2006…

Todd
 
Probably so they can identify you in the field as the person you say you are on your licence so people aren't out there printing their own. But that's just a guess
That has nothing to do with it. Race doesn’t ID you. It’s because they are a blue state and they need to show equality and compassion to all races in every government activities. Colorado has “woke” up.
 
I don’t see what the big deal is. Your asked this question on 90% of the things you do these days. If you don’t what them to know check other and make something up.
 
One problem is they pose the question right before being able to add the tag to the cart while trying to purchase leftover tags that are sold on a first come first serve basis off the re-issue list. People who have already answered the question don’t have to, nor do people standing at the counter of a sales agent giving them the way better chance at purchasing the tag with one less step. But, the biggest problem is it shouldn’t have anything to do with Colorado Parks and Wildlife. I certainly seem like the odd man out here but I’m really bothered there is one more government agency wanting to know my race before they’ll allow me to purchase a freaking hunting license after I have been a resident here since 2006…

Todd
I bet your husband could tell us some stories!
 
To be clear how I feel. If a black/Latino/Asian Republican is running for President in 2024 against a white Biden, I will be voting for the nonwhite candidate.
But I also believe that making everything about race only divides us more.

I blocked SS a long time ago. Don’t know what he said, don’t care.
 
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I don’t see what the big deal is. Your asked this question on 90% of the things you do these days. If you don’t what them to know check other and make something up.
I also have no problem if this question is asked when you are creating a profile/ account. But to ask it when you are later racing against the clock to purchase a tag is a bit much
 
That’s odd because with you being a racist I wouldn’t think you would go for my mom.

Racist huh? A conversation or opinion doesn’t go exactly how you think it should so you start screaming “racist”…… I knew it.. you’re a typical democrat…

Todd
 
What you fellas gonna do when they start applying affirmative action to your hunting tags you already can't draw??
 
What you fellas gonna do when they start applying affirmative action to your hunting tags you already can't draw??
Colorado will no doubt the first to do that. Set-aside tags for constituent groups. Maybe that’s how they will ban scopes in Utah - the economically disadvantaged don’t have fair access.

I could get elected in this state if I wanted a chitty job :ROFLMAO:
 
Calm us down, post that book ram you shot from your truck while listening to shinia Twain’s that don’t impress me much

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Humm, never shot anything from a truck much less a ram I spotted and stalked.
I hate Shania so what ever dud(e).

Here's pack out pic for you drunkard.
I guess facts are not your strong point but if you want to keep saying I shot a ram from a truck you are delusional.

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Racist huh? A conversation or opinion doesn’t go exactly how you think it should so you start screaming “racist”…… I knew it.. you’re a typical democrat…

Todd
As opposed to the typical rant about race by a Republican saying some of the most racist shidt imaginable. And following it up with a “but I ain’t raysisss” ???
 
As opposed to the typical rant about race by a Republican saying some of the most racist shidt imaginable. And following it up with a “but I ain’t raysisss” ???

I'm guessing you were one of the few who voted for Liz Cheney the other day....

No part of anything I posted was racist...... and you freaking know it.

Todd
 
Good point. I don't judge but I would expect you to hunt in high hills if you get an equity tag because you changed your gender.
Didn't say which gender--could be non-binary, cisgender, left-eye dominant gender-queer, Spaghetti-O's eating tranny.

P.S. I hunt the high hills, mountains and the flats in my high heels and flats. :LOL:
 
Didn't say which gender--could be non-binary, cisgender, left-eye dominant gender-queer, Spaghetti-O's eating tranny.

P.S. I hunt the high hills, mountains and the flats in my high heels and flats. :LOL:
I doubt you are hunting deer in high hills. You are probably hunting for other trannies or duds that don't know they should check for an Adams apple before they let you buy them a drink. ?
 
Remind me again, which party is the tolerant one to others lifestyles and opinions? Which party likes to debate the issues and which one like to name call and label people?
 
Humm, never shot anything from a truck much less a ram I spotted and stalked.
I hate Shania so what ever dud(e).

Here's pack out pic for you drunkard.
I guess facts are not your strong point but if you want to keep saying I shot a ram from a truck you are delusional.

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It was a joke, maybe a bad one but hey that’s why I’m not a comedian.

Should of drove your 4 wheeler to it
 

Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

Call them trannies, fags, polesmokers, or whatever else you need to prove your manhood - I will do whatever I can to make sure tragedies like this one never happen again. You may not have been there when Mathew Sheppard was murdered but it probably does not bother you either. I would prefer you call me names opposed to others. I will start for you - shut up homo, you must be a democrat, you polesmoker, you tranny, etc. In fact from this point forward anyone that is homophobic, angry at life, lacks self-esteem, or for any reason needs to attack others to build themselves up please send it my way. I will PM thank you notes to anyone that attacks me rather than attacking populations at higher risk of suicide - unless that is your goal.
 
I remember the Shepard tragedy- and it was a terrible event in Laramie's history. Nobody deserves that.

That said- there is a HUGE difference between being xxx-phobic, and hating the woke craziness that has overtaken much of the country. When someone vents about 13 choices on a form, it's because it's gotten to the point that if you decide you are a turtle, you can get it on some government form. It's just nuts.
 
Yeah I remember this horrible tragedy that reminds me to call people names that call other people names but somehow they are murderers or support murder and I'm better than them because my names are politically correct.
 

Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

Call them trannies, fags, polesmokers, or whatever else you need to prove your manhood - I will do whatever I can to make sure tragedies like this one never happen again. You may not have been there when Mathew Sheppard was murdered but it probably does not bother you either. I would prefer you call me names opposed to others. I will start for you - shut up homo, you must be a democrat, you polesmoker, you tranny, etc. In fact from this point forward anyone that is homophobic, angry at life, lacks self-esteem, or for any reason needs to attack others to build themselves up please send it my way. I will PM thank you notes to anyone that attacks me rather than attacking populations at higher risk of suicide - unless that is your goal.
What a hero. I think more people should be worried about the real problem. A declining population of real men in this country. Grow some thicker skin if you wanna be "different". There's men in this country that commit suicide because of ptsd and other real problems that they didn't give themselves. Most guys at my job say some of the above or worse daily and it's always been that way because that's just the way it is when you work with a bunch of men we laugh and joke and carry on if it offends you go work at Walmart with the other "woke" people and dye your hair too. There's still a place for men in this country.
 
I remember the Matthew Shepard case too. I couldn't believe (i.e. outraged) that he was killed because he was gay. In the last several years a lot more has come to light and the story might be a little more complicated than was first thought. The Guardian is a lefty source.

 
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I remember the Matthew Shepard case too. I couldn't believe (i.e. outraged) that he was killed because he was gay. In the last several years a lot more has come to light and the story might be a little more complicated than was first thought. The Guardian is a lefty source.
Interesting article. Thanks for sharing...
 

Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

Call them trannies, fags, polesmokers, or whatever else you need to prove your manhood - I will do whatever I can to make sure tragedies like this one never happen again. You may not have been there when Mathew Sheppard was murdered but it probably does not bother you either. I would prefer you call me names opposed to others. I will start for you - shut up homo, you must be a democrat, you polesmoker, you tranny, etc. In fact from this point forward anyone that is homophobic, angry at life, lacks self-esteem, or for any reason needs to attack others to build themselves up please send it my way. I will PM thank you notes to anyone that attacks me rather than attacking populations at higher risk of suicide - unless that is your goal.
Iowan. Not all heterosexual men are like that. You will be welcome at my campfire any time. Who you are attracted to and who you choose as a partner is YOUR business. Doesn’t bother me a bit. Currently have a gay woman working for me. Have had gay men work for me. And just had lunch with a gay couple (women) that my wife and I are friends with. They both worked for me in the past as my office managers at different times. They are still my friends. Heck they are a big reason I will be having a financially comfortable retirement! Just offered them the use of my Colorado cabin.

I do not dislike the Colorado Governor and his partner because they are gay. I dislike their political ideals and policies. I am a veterinarian and the woman that he appointed to the veterinary board (an anti-hunter animal rights wacko) is a good example of that. But I would never call them names.

My Dad would have ripped me a new one if I ever said anything racist or anything bad about a gay person. In spite of what some people have said about my comments above, I stand by them. And IMO they are not racist. I see issues differently than some people, maybe different than you, but if you think my points are not valid, argue the issue, I will listen and have been know you change my mind. But when someone reads 1 post and call me ignorant and a racist, all intelligent discourse stops.
 
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And by the way, it wasn’t me who got a posters comment above removed. I would have been fine with letting people see his comments. Certainly didn’t bother me.
 
I dislike people thinking their sexuality is my business and I don't trust anyone who thinks their sexuality is their identity.

Quite honestly I don't know if I've hired gay people. I don't know if they are staying at my summer retreat. I don't know whether I am sharing a campfire with them.

Because when I work and camp and eat dinner no shallow attention whore brings up what they do sexualy. If you feel like you need to bring up your sexuality when you are a guest of someone or at a job get out of my house, or my office. You have a lot of growing up to do.
 

Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

Call them trannies, fags, polesmokers, or whatever else you need to prove your manhood - I will do whatever I can to make sure tragedies like this one never happen again. You may not have been there when Mathew Sheppard was murdered but it probably does not bother you either. I would prefer you call me names opposed to others. I will start for you - shut up homo, you must be a democrat, you polesmoker, you tranny, etc. In fact from this point forward anyone that is homophobic, angry at life, lacks self-esteem, or for any reason needs to attack others to build themselves up please send it my way. I will PM thank you notes to anyone that attacks me rather than attacking populations at higher risk of suicide - unless that is your goal.

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I remember the Matthew Shepard case too. I couldn't believe (i.e. outraged) that he was killed because he was gay. In the last several years a lot more has come to light and the story might be a little more complicated than was first thought. The Guardian is a lefty source.

That article makes way more sense then the case ever did to me. I remember it well, and I remember thinking, wow, that sounds real personal and extreme for just a random attack because someone’s gay.
 
Did you see where "White" is the last option on the check list. I would bet it will be another means to favor minorities over whites.
After all it is Colorado where alot of liberals moved to from West and East coast states.
RELH
 
I always mark native Alaskan on any of these stupid things . Where I was born, I’m certainly not native to anywhere else in this world
 
Did you see where "White" is the last option on the check list. I would bet it will be another means to favor minorities over whites.
After all it is Colorado where alot of liberals moved to from West and East coast states.
RELH
FFS...if you're white and can't find the right box to check, no matter where it is on the form, maybe try remedial 1st grade.

If you're opposed to participating in the survey, there's a box for that too, check that one if you can find it through the tears of faux "outrage".

Talk about a snowflake.
 
FFS...if you're white and can't find the right box to check, no matter where it is on the form, maybe try remedial 1st grade.

If you're opposed to participating in the survey, there's a box for that too, check that one if you can find it through the tears of faux "outrage".

Talk about a snowflake.

Spoken like a true public servant.
 
If they added one more choice, I would not have a problem at all:

American ✅

I dont really like being reminded that I am different than anyone else. Because I dont feel that way. Yes, I can just check “other” but I am not an other, I am an American.

For the people who actually feel “privileged” to be white, you are just reinforcing that attitude. I bet those people have no problem checking WHITE!
 
If they added one more choice, I would not have a problem at all:

American ✅

I dont really like being reminded that I am different than anyone else. Because I dont feel that way. Yes, I can just check “other” but I am not an other, I am an American.
Check "prefer not to identify" even easier.

Lots of people want to keep their heritage and traditions alive and are free to identify that through ethnicity on a form.
 
LOL. Ya, I learnt to read too- required skill to get that degree from U Wyo (even if it wasn't in the fields of education or forestry management).

I will give CPW credit (original post topic)- they ACTUALLY state why they are requiring the information. Now one might question if it's a good use of CPW funds, but I'll leave that to the fine people of Colorado.

Where I get concerned is when you are required to answer gender or race questions with no reason stated. In the old days, those kinds of questions had to do with identification. Clearly that is no longer the case. Those critical thinking skills I honed so sharply at UW make me wonder if they are used for reasons I might not be inclined to appreciate.
 
White, and I didn't have trouble finding the correct box, mainly because I can read.
I would put my IQ and reading comprehension up against you any time, so don’t keep implying I am stupid. I make the assumption you are an intelligent person, so you know reading comprehension is not what this is about.

As I have said before, when you call people stupid, all intelligent discourse stops. Or do you just feel better about yourself when you do that? Then it’s not about trying to persuade people, just labeling them and writing them off. How does that help the situation? If you have an intelligent argument about how this process is important and how it helps, make your argument

I don’t see myself as white, which is why I do my very best to treat everyone the same. From the white/ brown/black and even gay people that I work with every day, to the extremely polite and intelligent young black man who just sold me a pair of shoes.

I dislike having to check a box that says I am white for everything I do including buying a hunting license. It is my OPINION that this is unecessary and also that it serves to make some people feel good that somehow they are doing something good for minorities, but also IMO it just creates deeper distance between us.

That is all this is, my opinion. Obviously opinions vary. But it in no way makes me a racist.

Is a black man that dislikes doing this a racist too? Don’t tell me there aren’t those out there.
 
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Evil triumphs when good men do nothing.

Call them trannies, fags, polesmokers, or whatever else you need to prove your manhood - I will do whatever I can to make sure tragedies like this one never happen again. You may not have been there when Mathew Sheppard was murdered but it probably does not bother you either. I would prefer you call me names opposed to others. I will start for you - shut up homo, you must be a democrat, you polesmoker, you tranny, etc. In fact from this point forward anyone that is homophobic, angry at life, lacks self-esteem, or for any reason needs to attack others to build themselves up please send it my way. I will PM thank you notes to anyone that attacks me rather than attacking populations at higher risk of suicide - unless that is your goal.
I understand your point but my intent wasn't to bully anyone. I honestly wasn't aware it was an offensive term. If Founder wants to delete it because it is considered hateful speech, I don't care, this is his website.

Snoopdogg and I were just joking around and if that joking offends someone then they need to grow thicker skin. It is sad that many people in our country are concerned with political correctness more than other major issues going on in the world. I think it is pathetic there are many people in our country concerned about political correctness but say nothing about what is going on in China.

I really don't care what adults decide to do with their life as long as it doesn't infringe on someones else's rights. I've worked around men that have decide they wanted to be women. I have no problem calling them by their new feminine name. They also understand that sometimes I'll make honest mistakes and use their old male name and mix up pronouns.

The Matthew Sheppard story is sad but much more complicated than someone being murdered because they are gay. Suicide with LTGB community is much more complicated than straight white men making fun of them.
 
Why did I feel it necessary to bring up that the young man who sold me a pair of shoes was black? Only because of this discussion. I deal with “non-white” people every day without giving it a thought. It wasn’t until He was checking me out that it actually occurred to me. He is young and I have no doubt he will go far if people on both sides of the isle will just get out of his way. Checking a box on a form will certainly not do it.
 
Government folk are smarter than the people they work for. They are great at separating us into groups, and when you rebel a little they just call you stupid and tell you to behave and do as told....and check the appropriate box......
 
I remember the Matthew Shepard case too. I couldn't believe (i.e. outraged) that he was killed because he was gay. In the last several years a lot more has come to light and the story might be a little more complicated than was first thought. The Guardian is a lefty source.

Wait you mean like he was killed cause he was deep in the drug game… color me surprised ? guess some people never let a crisis go to waste
 
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If race really doesnt matter then why are there options for that on any form?
Because race has become more important than character and qualifications.
Ex: Kamala Harris.
Bullchit, you ever heard of demographics and the multitude of uses for it?

If you're worried about it, I would suggest you get off your cell phone, sell your smart TV, and definitely get off the internet. I also wouldn't purchase anything on the 'net.

Your data is being mined right now as you type away your conspiracy theory on MM.

It really must suck to live life paranoid.
 
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I would put my IQ and reading comprehension up against you any time, so don’t keep implying I am stupid. I make the assumption you are an intelligent person, so you know reading comprehension is not what this is about.

As I have said before, when you call people stupid, all intelligent discourse stops. Or do you just feel better about yourself when you do that? Then it’s not about trying to persuade people, just labeling them and writing them off. How does that help the situation? If you have an intelligent argument about how this process is important and how it helps, make your argument

I don’t see myself as white, which is why I do my very best to treat everyone the same. From the white/ brown/black and even gay people that I work with every day, to the extremely polite and intelligent young black man who just sold me a pair of shoes.

I dislike having to check a box that says I am white for everything I do including buying a hunting license. It is my OPINION that this is unecessary and also that it serves to make some people feel good that somehow they are doing something good for minorities, but also IMO it just creates deeper distance between us.

That is all this is, my opinion. Obviously opinions vary. But it in no way makes me a racist.

Is a black man that dislikes doing this a racist too? Don’t tell me there aren’t those out there.
Luckily for you, they give you the option of not participating, so enough. Don't participate, nobody cares.

There's a bunch of good things that come from understanding demographics, if you're as smart as you claim (which I don't doubt) you should readily recognize that.

It matters in how we function as a society to understand demographics, its not a conspiracy, its social science.

Lots of examples of how understanding demographics help society. Hospital density, access to food and drugs, how long people live, what those people will need long-term, infrastructure development, clean water, airport densities, public transportation, affordable housing, etc. etc. etc.. Where and how to invest money to meet the needs of ALL communities is important. We can't understand or solve those problems without data, demographics being one very important part of figuring it out.

They tell you right on the form for Colorado what they're using it for, and again, you don't have to participate.

Not seeing the conspiracy...but hey, people are free to be "outraged" as much as they choose to be or put an additional 2-3 layers of tinfoil on their hats.

I'm good with that.
 
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Wait you mean like he was killed cause he was deep in the drug game… color me surprised ? guess some people never let a crisis go to waste
So, pistol whipping someone, lighting them on fire, stringing them up on a fence is OK since it wasn't a gay hate crime?

Much better and easier to justify since it was about drugs.

Unbelievable.
 
Luckily for you, they give you the option of not participating, so enough. Don't participate, nobody cares.

There's a bunch of good things that come from understanding demographics, if you're as smart as you claim (which I don't doubt) you should readily recognize that.

It matters in how we function as a society to understand demographics, its not a conspiracy, its social science.

Lots of examples of how understanding demographics help society. Hospital density, access to food and drugs, how long people live, what those people will need long-term, infrastructure development, clean water, airport densities, public transportation, affordable housing, etc. etc. etc.. Where and how to invest money to meet the needs of ALL communities is important. We can't understand or solve those problems without data, demographics being one very important part of figuring it out.

They tell you right on the form for Colorado what they're using it for, and again, you don't have to participate.

Not seeing the conspiracy...but hey, people are free to be "outraged" as much as they choose to be or put an additional 2-3 layers of tinfoil on their hats.

I'm good with that.
Dang, that was a great post. I mean that. Very good ideas that actually Make me think, and possibly question my opinions

My whole point, and you can look back up to verify this, is why the redundancy? Check the box when you set up an account and be done with it. The computer knows what we entered, so why do we have to enter it again and again and again when we purchase a tag

IMO I think the reason is political. They don’t need it each time to get the demographics
 
Dang, that was a great post. I mean that. Very good ideas that actually Make me think, and possibly question my opinions

My whole point, and you can look back up to verify this, is why the redundancy? Check the box when you set up an account and be done with it. The computer knows what we entered, so why do we have to enter it again and again and again when we purchase a tag
Maybe they want to see what demographic is purchasing leftover tags? They could use that data to potentially figure out why certain demographics are purchasing (or not) leftover tags. They could then use that data to target license sales, improve access to those tags for everyone, or maybe provide better or more efficient ways for all demographics to obtain those tags. Lots of reasons are viable.

They may also just come to the conclusion that demographics just don't seem to matter and there's no need to change anything. Staying stuck in a rut and not having data BEFORE you change things rarely achieves desired results, ever.

You could always make a phone call to find out.
 
You could always make a phone call to find out.


That is the most stupid response to come out of your mouth. If the reason for the check boxes are for a reason that the public may not accept, do you really expect them to be truthful on that phone call.
You might as well call the White House and ask them why are they not supporting tighter border security. I no longer think you are a middle of the road guy. You do lean to far to the left.
RELH
 
So, pistol whipping someone, lighting them on fire, stringing them up on a fence is OK since it wasn't a gay hate crime?

Much better and easier to justify since it was about drugs.

Unbelievable.
Guess you didn’t read the gay journalist who investigated the crime for years, and found that Matt was killed by another gay man and drug dealing associates. I think it was a horrible awful thing to happen to anyone, yes even someone who was using and dealing poison to the community, trust me I deal with addicts all the time, there is a special place in hell for people who poison communities with meth and herion… maybe if you play stupid games you win stupid prizes
 
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I also agree we should get rid of our cell phones and just go hunting. There’s no way we have this discussion over a campfire with so much venom.

This is a picture of one of my best friends ever. I first took him hunting in 1978. He was my preacher at college. I was 20 and he was 40. For the next 40 years, until He died from cancer at age 80, I bet we didn’t miss 5 years of hunting together. In Texas, Colorado, Wyoming and even fishing in Alaska.

He was probably politically left of BuzzH. But we had so much in common that we never let our differences come between us. It made for some lively discussions, but never a hurtful word or label. This was the last buck he killed at my ranch at age 78
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You could always make a phone call to find out.


That is the most stupid response to come out of your mouth. If the reason for the check boxes are for a reason that the public may not accept, do you really expect them to be truthful on that phone call.
You might as well call the White House and ask them why are they not supporting tighter border security. I no longer think you are a middle of the road guy. You do lean to far to the left.
RELH
With your personality you probably wouldn't get any answers. I have always found out all kinds of answers for all kinds of things. Show genuine interest you get generally good answers.

I'm not surprised your mileage varies, hard to start a conversation with $&#k you.
 
I also agree we should get rid of our cell phones and just go hunting. There’s no way we have this discussion over a campfire with so much venom.

This is a picture of one of my best friends ever. I first took him hunting in 1978. He was my preacher at college. I was 20 and he was 40. For the next 40 years, until He died from cancer at age 80, I bet we didn’t miss 5 years of hunting together. In Texas, Colorado, Wyoming and even fishing in Alaska.

He was probably politically left of BuzzH. But we had so much in common that we never let our differences come between us. It made for some lively discussions, but never a hurtful word or label. This was the last buck he killed at my ranch at age 78View attachment 84506
Nice buck ?
 
Bullchit, you ever heard of demographics and the multitude of uses for it?

If you're worried about it, I would suggest you get off your cell phone, sell your smart TV, and definitely get off the internet. I also wouldn't purchase anything on the 'net.

Your data is being mined right now as you type away your conspiracy theory on MM.

It really must suck to live life paranoid.
Proverbs 23;9
 
There's a bunch of good things that come from understanding demographics, if you're as smart as you claim (which I don't doubt) you should readily recognize that.

There are also a bunch of bad things that come from the government "understanding" demographics. if you're as smart as you claim (which I don't doubt) you should readily recognize that.

Collecting demographic information on hunters in Colorado is at minimum a waste of time and money.
 

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