Student loan forgiveness

No worries RELH it will only cost every taxpayer an extra $2000+
They don't value their education enough to pay for it, yet we're supposed to value their education more than they do and pick up the tab for it. A brain dead grifter in PA who sponged off his parents & played video games in his parents basement till he was 50+ yrs. old has a good chance of winning a U.S. senate seat.... that's the Dem party of today

 
Just a typical Democrat buying votes with tax payers money. They have been doing it for years.
BuzzH will be for it since he is a socialist. In the 50's-60's they called socialists by their right name-commie.
RELH
It appears that in 60-70 years people are still too ignorant to know the difference between communism and socialism.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised when 54% of Americans read at a 6th grade level. Seems logical they wouldn't understand the difference.
 
Who's to blame for that decline in America's education system....any clear thinking individual will recognize its the Teachers Union's who are in lock step with the Democratic party. Republicans are fools in not embracing several state controlled by Republicans (Az/Fl) who are tying the government money to parents and their decision as to where/how they want their kiddos to be educated. Teachers Union's are a pox on our nation.
 
$10k a vote.

That's all that is.

Notice the kid who became a mechanic didn't get $10k to buy tools.

The kid that became an excavator didn't get $10k to buy equipment.

Etc, etc.

I paid in cash, and sweat for my degree and my wife's. Now I get to pay for everyone else's? Bullshit
 
Total bullchit, especially when 50% of student loan debt is for advanced degree programs.

If you owe $300k on some bullchit degree about film studies, you deserve to be broke. And you damn sure don’t deserve my help.

Not only an undeserved (generally) reward for stupidity, its a payoff to these elitist diploma mills. Trump U wasn’t as bad as Columbia. :mad:

 
If you owe $300k on some bullchit degree about film studies, you deserve to be broke. And you damn sure don’t deserve my help.
If you have debt for anything in life, you deserve to be responsible for that debt.

I would like for someone in this administration to explain to the American public why student loan debt is more deserving of forgiveness than any other debt Americans hold?
 
If you have debt for anything in life, you deserve to be responsible for that debt.

I would like for someone in this administration to explain to the American public why student loan debt is more deserving of forgiveness than any other debt Americans hold?
While they explain that I'd also like an explanation on why they feel it's ok for a person to lose their life's assets when they get sick from, oh say cancer.

Everyone ok with 60% of personal bankruptcies being due to medical expenses?

I guess medical issues like cancer are a choice we make, very similar to choosing to go to college.

I'm inclined to tell people that chose college loans to pay them back, and spend that money helping people that didn't choose cancer, parkinson's, etc.

I have a hard time telling someone they deserve to pay back a debt they incurred treating cancer they had no control over, just to stay above ground/ room temperature.

But I'm a commie socialist so, there is that.
 
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Free, free, free, free free, equals votes, votes, votes, votes, votes, for Democrats!!! And how fitting 2 months before November...............

Brandon has a 24% approval rating with younger college kids, I guess bc of the cost of living skyrocketing. The student loan thing will get his approval back to 100%.
 
While they explain that I'd also like an explanation on why they feel it's ok for a person to lose their life's assets when they get sick from, oh say cancer.

Everyone ok with 60% of personal bankruptcies being due to medical expenses?

I guess medical issues like cancer are a choice we make.

I'm inclined to tell people that chose college loans to pay them back, and spend that money helping people that didn't choose cancer, parkinson's, etc.

I have a hard time telling someone they deserve to pay back a debt they incurred treating cancer they had no control over, just to stay above ground/ room temperature.

But I'm a commie socialist so, there is that.
I thought you guys changed it to socialist commie. ;)

Forgiving medical debt would be a 1,000x more palatable to me than student loan debt. Given the havoc that the American Medical establishment has brought to the US, I would be great if they forgave the debt and made hospitals and Dr's just eat it.

Some medical debt is about the only debt I could stomach government intervention into. Some. However, taxpayers already foot some of the bill for medical costs for others. It's not fair to say all of that incurred debt falls on the shoulders of the patient. Should it be more? I'm open to listening to that argument. But I'm hard pressed to feel that way about any other debt.
 
While they explain that I'd also like an explanation on why they feel it's ok for a person to lose their life's assets when they get sick from, oh say cancer.

Everyone ok with 60% of personal bankruptcies being due to medical expenses?

I guess medical issues like cancer are a choice we make, very similar to choosing to go to college.

I'm inclined to tell people that chose college loans to pay them back, and spend that money helping people that didn't choose cancer, parkinson's, etc.

I have a hard time telling someone they deserve to pay back a debt they incurred treating cancer they had no control over, just to stay above ground/ room temperature.

But I'm a commie socialist so, there is that.
At least you acknowledge that the two types of debt aren’t the same. You’re still dangerously close to getting called out for whataboutism.

I would also be open to participating in a taxpayer funded “stop loss” medical insurance program. A rare exception to my no taxes rule.
 
While they explain that I'd also like an explanation on why they feel it's ok for a person to lose their life's assets when they get sick from, oh say cancer.

Everyone ok with 60% of personal bankruptcies being due to medical expenses?

I guess medical issues like cancer are a choice we make, very similar to choosing to go to college.

I'm inclined to tell people that chose college loans to pay them back, and spend that money helping people that didn't choose cancer, parkinson's, etc.

I have a hard time telling someone they deserve to pay back a debt they incurred treating cancer they had no control over, just to stay above ground/ room temperature.

But I'm a commie socialist so, there is that.
I know. I was one of those really, really lucky ones who hustled and found a job that included major health insurance. It was a priority for me. I know it's not for everybody though. A lot of people like to party late and sleep in. Or they need a big screen TV more than insurance. I was pretty special and lucky.

I never needed the health insurance, so looking back, I was the fool. I could have spent my life making and selling friendship bracelets out of hemp.
 
I know. I was one of those really, really lucky ones who hustled and found a job that included major health insurance. It was a priority for me. I know it's not for everybody though. A lot of people like to party late and sleep in. Or they need a big screen TV more than insurance. I was pretty special and lucky.

I never needed the health insurance, so looking back, I was the fool. I could have spent my life making and selling friendship bracelets out of hemp.
Too bad others, that work full time, don't have employer sponsored insurance. Who ever thought employer sponsored insurance was a good idea to start with?

Or better yet have chit insurance plans, that don't cover life saving expenses, experimental medical treatments, etc.

Those folks just deserve to die...I mean they chose unforeseen illness.
 
I’m curious to see if this latest Democrat charade buys more votes from the entitled demographic than they lose from the working class…
Very legitimate question.

But you won't get many answers from the mm brain trust that claim demographics don't matter...
 
This is not debt forgiveness, it's transferring your money to their preferred donors to buy votes cause the polls suk for their party.
Dumb thing is, it will do nothing to treat the underlying problem that college is way overpriced & vastly over valued. College costs have risen at somewhere in the neighborhood of 20x above the cost of living increases. Sad thing is, in just a few short years the debt climbs right back up and above current levels. End govt. backed Univ. loans, Require universities to co-sign loans & tax university endowments.
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Those loans will be paid for.
Just not by the ones who borrowed the money.
Just another chunk of **** in the Democratic Crock we're all
swimming in right now.
Hopefully to end soon.
 
I've been retired for about 9 years now. I remember the working class was able to deduct the cost of work gloves and other safety equipment. Who says the government wasn't looking out for us?
 
Or better yet have chit insurance plans, that don't cover life saving expenses, experimental medical treatments, etc.

Those folks just deserve to die...I mean they chose unforeseen illness.

Fact of life bubba. Some things you just don't have control over no matter how much you try.

Ain't that right Bluehair - since you once told me it was absurd to think you just don't have control over things and the results are what they are...
 
Sounds great.

Unless your the Dr who spent 10 years in school and moved all over the country to become one.

The hospital company that invests hundreds of millions in a single facility.

A nurse who wipes asses

Or a researcher who spent their entire career coming up with tools to fix people.


Working g for what the government decides is fair, suddenly doesn't seem so appealing
 
I've been retired for about 9 years now. I remember the working class was able to deduct the cost of work gloves and other safety equipment. Who says the government wasn't looking out for us?
I believe the employer is obligated to provide mandated safety equipment. Even steel toes.
 
Fact of life bubba. Some things you just don't have control over no matter how much you try.

Ain't that right Bluehair - since you once told me it was absurd to think you just don't have control over things and the results are what they are...
I was talking about your inability to achieve success in your life. Without knowing you personally, I suppose it could be genetic in your case. But surely you’re used to walking around with a poopy diaper by now.

Back on topic, not all illnesses are because you got delt a tough hand in life. The concept of people paying for the consequences of their own decisions is a distant memory.
 
I believe the employer is obligated to provide mandated safety equipment. Even steel toes.
Define mandated. We were required to wear leather work boots and gloves, but we had to buy our own. They sold gloves in the office at their cost.
 
Define mandated. We were required to wear leather work boots and gloves, but we had to buy our own. They sold gloves in the office at their cost.
In the construction biz, you had to supply the safety equipment we mandated by policy (usually mirroring OSHA or MSHA regs). I don’t remember when that became the law of the land, but it wasn’t always the case.

For example we had a mandatory glove policy so we had to provide them. Steel toes (and prescription safety glasses) were always a fight (shoes are personal), so they were usually clarified in union agreements.

Keep in mind this was for a large employer who saw OSHA and MSHA on a regular basis. I suspect it would be a harder sell to an employer who never saw OSHA.
 
I had ONE Pell Grant for one semester.
Saw right away that was not going to happen again.
From then on I worked my A$$ off, saved my money
and paid cash as I went. Took me 5 years and 1 semester to
graduate but I came out with no debt.
Now I get to pay off everybody else's college?
Lets go Brandon.
 
Thankfully Harvard Law professor Lawrence Tribe's thousands of Harvard law students will get relief. The highest paid, most credentialed and privileged people on the planet get plumbers, welders, construction workers, teachers, nurses, cashiers etc. to pay their bills. Unfriken real... great to have friends in high places.

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Thankfully Harvard Law professor Lawrence Tribe's thousands of Harvard law students will get relief. The highest paid, most credentialed and privileged people on the planet get plumbers, welders, construction workers, teachers, nurses, cashiers etc. to pay their bills. Unfriken real... great to have friends in high places.

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Follow the money works every time.
Yep. Problem is they just incentivized not paying your bills and now others will expect it in the future. If those in power need some votes bada bing problem solved. Personal responsibility is a fading virtue. I was not a fan of the big bank bailouts either, now anything is up for grabs as too big to fail
 
Thankfully Harvard Law professor Lawrence Tribe's thousands of Harvard law students will get relief. The highest paid, most credentialed and privileged people on the planet get plumbers, welders, construction workers, teachers, nurses, cashiers etc. to pay their bills. Unfriken real... great to have friends in high places.

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Laurence Tribe is another one those who can't do...
 
It appears that in 60-70 years people are still too ignorant to know the difference between communism and socialism.

I guess I shouldn't be surprised when 54% of Americans read at a 6th grade level. Seems logical they wouldn't understand the difference.
Where did you get those numbers? Hell I had the Complete Works of William Shakespeare when I was 8.5 years old. I know I was that age because I wrote it in the front when my dad bought it for me.;)
 
For once Pelosi speaks the truth.
Biden knows loan forgiveness done by executive order is against the constitution. It will be taken to the Supreme Court and will be overturned but waiting until now to do an executive order will mean the Supreme Court will not rule on this before the mid terms.
The dems campaigning on loan forgiveness is the same as gun control, abortion, medical insurance these topics are no different than the repubs campaigning on abortion, gun control and private vs public land ownership, they do not really want these issues corrected they want these issues to live on so they can whip up their base constituents and get more campaign funds.
You did not see too many republican politicians celebrating the Supreme Court ruling on Roe vs Wade that is because they lost a top campaign topic, they lost dollars from campaign funds.
 
99% of policy from either party is another new way to break it off in the ass of the middle class.

Been going on for decades.
Please elaborate where the Republicans are breaking it off for middle class taxpayers? Spout a lie, repeat it time and time again and the mind numbed lemmings will believe it ....carry on Buzzard
 
For once Pelosi speaks the truth.
Biden knows loan forgiveness done by executive order is against the constitution. It will be taken to the Supreme Court and will be overturned but waiting until now to do an executive order will mean the Supreme Court will not rule on this before the mid terms.
The dems campaigning on loan forgiveness is the same as gun control, abortion, medical insurance these topics are no different than the repubs campaigning on abortion, gun control and private vs public land ownership, they do not really want these issues corrected they want these issues to live on so they can whip up their base constituents and get more campaign funds.
You did not see too many republican politicians celebrating the Supreme Court ruling on Roe vs Wade that is because they lost a top campaign topic, they lost dollars from campaign funds.
Humm... appears to me Republicans have acted. Trump appointed SCOTUS folks who recognized Roe was flawed law. Fixed it! Republicans are fighting and winning in the Democrats efforts to ban semi - autos that don't look right ! Though some Republicans are flawed and are just Rhinos ..the vast majority of R's are doing the right things .Bugs me when some Claiming to be smarter , above the fray of partisanship, equate the 2 parties are basically equal..that's a bunch of Barbara Streisand.
 
The real question.

2024 is coming up.

I have a Jr in high school. So he will be looking at college just in time for elections.

I'm wanting a duck boat.

Should my son take out $20k or $30k in student loans for it? I'm leaning at $30k, buying enough votes to reelect a corpse seems about right.

What do you all think?
 
The real question.

2024 is coming up.

I have a Jr in high school. So he will be looking at college just in time for elections.

I'm wanting a duck boat.

Should my son take out $20k or $30k in student loans for it? I'm leaning at $30k, buying enough votes to reelect a corpse seems about right.

What do you all think?
Hossblur you're son is a white none Democrat from Utah if the democrats can find a way to not forgive his loans they will.
 
Yep. Problem is they just incentivized not paying your bills and now others will expect it in the future. If those in power need some votes bada bing problem solved. Personal responsibility is a fading virtue. I was not a fan of the big bank bailouts either, now anything is up for grabs as too big to fail
Let’s play follow the money some more.

”At least 30 senior White House staffers have student-loan balances, according to the report. However, the staffers mentioned by name in the report — press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre and deputy director of the National Economic Council Bharat Ramamurti — make a yearly salary that exceeds the $125,000 cut off.

The 30 senior staffers collectively owe as much as $4.7 million, according to the report.”

 
Humm... appears to me Republicans have acted. Trump appointed SCOTUS folks who recognized Roe was flawed law. Fixed it! Republicans are fighting and winning in the Democrats efforts to ban semi - autos that don't look right ! Though some Republicans are flawed and are just Rhinos ..the vast majority of R's are doing the right things .Bugs me when some Claiming to be smarter , above the fray of partisanship, equate the 2 parties are basically equal..that's a bunch of Barbara Streisand.
I was not a Trump fan from the beginning but I will always be appreciative and thankful to President Trump for one thing he put the right pepole in the Supreme Court.
That act alone is probably the greatest accomplishment for the saving of the Constitution of the United States of America in over 100 years.
Republicans and Democrats are not the same but they bolth love campaign funds. The Republicans diffintly have some good guys fighting the good fight, I am a huge Sanator Rubio supporter and have came to appreciate Senator Rand Paul just to name two and on the state levals I do believe we have many good Republicans fighting for States rights.
Just my 2 cents
 
Another fun one. A fairly targeted gift.

Forty-five percent of bachelor’s-degree recipients graduate with no debt at all. Only 7 percent of those who do borrow have an outstanding balance over $100,000, and 54 percent owe less than $20,000. The horror stories that get such outsize attention often represent people who made poor financial decisions. Harsh, perhaps, but there are any number of ordinary Americans who make different poor financial decisions all the time, and they aren’t going to have their debts forgiven by the government. What makes people who went to college more deserving?”


 
Not just scholarships but there are a multitude of ways to get a degree of you choosing for free with no debt in the end. The "College experience" has turned into a big social norm extending the ability for young people to be irresponsible.
 
Is there a Harris tower or Harris golf club I don't know about?

Trump's salary was $0 for 4 years if I remember.
Net worth is the “joke”, not net income. I would love to know what trumps is. And I’ll bet you a 12 pack his net income isn’t zero either.

Perhaps you can tell us what it really is. And no fair asking the accountant who just plead guilty to a dozen counts of fraud. ;)

Bob told me the Harris tower is a giant brass pole.
 
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Net worth is the “joke”, not net income. I would love to know what trumps is. And I’ll bet you a 12 pack his net income isn’t zero either.

Perhaps you can tell us what it really is. And no fair asking the accountant who just plead guilty to a dozen counts of fraud. ;)

Bob told me the Harris tower is a giant brass pole.


Boy they really got the goods on Trump. His accountant had a company car, and apartment.

Better get those shackles ready?


I'll play. And I won't even chant "whataboutism" like some love to in here. Trump's is higher than Joe Biden.

How did Joe get worth $44 million having never had anything but a gov salary?
 
Let’s play follow the money some more.

”At least 30 senior White House staffers have student-loan balances, according to the report. However, the staffers mentioned by name in the report — press secretary Karine Jean-Pierre and deputy director of the National Economic Council Bharat Ramamurti — make a yearly salary that exceeds the $125,000 cut off.

The 30 senior staffers collectively owe as much as $4.7 million, according to the report.”

Make white house staffers great again. KJP makes way too much money... she's really bad at her job. Didn't care for Psaki at all but she was pretty good at spewing the BS
 
The real question.

2024 is coming up.

I have a Jr in high school. So he will be looking at college just in time for elections.

I'm wanting a duck boat.

Should my son take out $20k or $30k in student loans for it? I'm leaning at $30k, buying enough votes to reelect a corpse seems about right.

What do you all think?

$30k seems like a sure thing
 
Boy they really got the goods on Trump. His accountant had a company car, and apartment.

Better get those shackles ready?


I'll play. And I won't even chant "whataboutism" like some love to in here. Trump's is higher than Joe Biden.

How did Joe get worth $44 million having never had anything but a gov salary?
Off the books and by definition dishonest. Not a good characteristic for the guy - any guy - in the oval orifice.
 
Off the books and by definition dishonest. Not a good characteristic for the guy - any guy - in the oval orifice.


Well, I guess they should have just suicided him?‍♀️

I kinda thought the same thing for a presidential realtor too. But, I always forget these rules started Jan 6
 
Well, I guess they should have just suicided him?‍♀️

I kinda thought the same thing for a presidential realtor too. But, I always forget these rules started Jan 6
Income tax regulations existed way before Jan 6. That’s actually the date that will be celebrated for election law reform.

Sorry, but I don’t know which Prez was a realtor. My favorite was an actor.
 
I was not a Trump fan from the beginning but I will always be appreciative and thankful to President Trump for one thing he put the right pepole in the Supreme Court.
That act alone is probably the greatest accomplishment for the saving of the Constitution of the United States of America in over 100 years.
Republicans and Democrats are not the same but they bolth love campaign funds. The Republicans diffintly have some good guys fighting the good fight, I am a huge Sanator Rubio supporter and have came to appreciate Senator Rand Paul just to name two and on the state levals I do believe we have many good Republicans fighting for States rights.
Just my 2 cents
Trumps greatest accomplishment was putting those judges on the court. Before now when have people ever been able to get away with threatening life of a Supreme court justice? Hell even Senator Chuck Schumer made threats. Liberal politicians will let their constituents get away with any and everything. It is beyond disgusting. Weaponizing the FBI. There has always been corruptness but never like this, they don't even try to hide it anymore.
 
Ya think?

So you really believe in 2 years he won't be buying more votes? Really?
I don't believe that at all. Those scumbags will buy any vote they can in any way they can. The only votes they don't buy are the ones in the ballot box and the dead voters.
 
I'll have to check with my mom's side of the family, but, i don't think brandon is correct.

Biden Says ‘Blacks and Hispanics Don’t Own Homes’ in Student Loan Forgiveness Speech (VIDEO)

Joe Biden unilaterally announced a massive forgiveness of student loans Wednesday afternoon.

Biden canceled up to $10,000 in student debt for borrowers who earn $125,000 a year or less and up to $20,000 for recipients of Pell Grants, according to multiple sources familiar with the matter.” NBC News reported

Biden claimed ‘canceling’ student loan debt (AKA transferring the debt to the middle class) won’t have any “meaningful effect on inflation.”

Then he dropped this gem…

Biden said blacks and Hispanics don’t own homes.

“The burden is especially heavy on black and Hispanic borrowers who on average have less family wealth to pay for it,” said Biden. “They don’t own their homes to borrow against it to be able to pay for college.”
 
It's simple. Don't borrow money unless you can handle responsibility. It does not matter if you are a poor student (who "cannot" find work, even as as employers across the country scream for help), or a wealthy businessmen who makes a bad investment, it is your debt, and no decent person would place that burden upon others.

Yet, here we have Joe Biden encouraging those best prepared for the job market to neglect their debt to the very society which invested in them. On the other hand, we elected a President who avoided formal bankruptcy only by stiffing his investors while simultaneously convincing voters that he was a genius at business. What kind of business genius avoids paying taxes for years because his losses exceed his gains?

This is the swamp, and it extends in both directions. Both parties buy votes, and their bases use the fact that the "other" end of the swamp smells like methane to excuse their own stench.
 
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Carpenters, Plumbers, Electricians paying for the education of
Dr.'s, Attorneys, Accountants and Art's / Poli Sci majors.

Downright Criminal IMO.
How about the millions of illegals in construction keeping low wages and claiming 9 dependents?
 
I just returned from the Dominican Republic.
I've never had so much trouble coming back through Customs in all my life.
Told my wife we should have come back illegally, would have been
much easier.
 
I just returned from the Dominican Republic.
I've never had so much trouble coming back through Customs in all my life.
Told my wife we should have come back illegally, would have been
much easier.
Haha that's a good one. My wife jokes around to saying "we should leave the country and come back in as illegal immigrants" whats ironic is we are full 100 percent Native American Hopi tribal members. Illegals are way better treated than we are.
 

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