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P.T. Jeffers

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There are more cattle and sheep grazing then ever before, every riparian area has a squadron of bovine trampling down the banks and sheeting in the streams. Dispersed RV's that have been sitting in their sites for months are everywhere. Have a good time up there dodging the livestock and finding a place to set up camp
 
Grazing is good for wildlife, remember

PS. call and report the overstays, our NF will get them out of there within a day or two. They just ask you to send a picture of the license plate and the GPS coordinates
 
grizzly said:
Grazing is good for wildlife, remember

PS. call and report the overstays, our NF will get them out of there within a day or two. They just ask you to send a picture of the license plate and the GPS coordinates
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But, overgrazing isn't. Streambeds flattened down to nothing but mud and cow turds floating down the creek isn't good, either. Who's "your" NF cuz' obviously you don't know about the lackadaisical Bighorn NF and their non enforcement of the 14 camping restriction
 
Welcome aboard. You just come here to complain? Or you going to stick around and contribute to MM?
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P.T. Jeffers said:
But, overgrazing isn't. Streambeds flattened down to nothing but mud and cow turds floating down the creek isn't good, either. Who's "your" NF cuz' obviously you don't know about the lackadaisical Bighorn NF and their non enforcement of the 14 camping restriction
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I must've forgotten to use the sarcastic font.

PS. Wasatch/Cache NF. I even called their local office just a week or two ago simply to thank them for being so responsive on overstays. They're great about it.

I drove through Bighorn NF not long ago, but I've never stepped foot in it. Have you ever tried calling their local office to report overstays?
 
So?

Does The Over-Stay Rule only get Enforced At Certain Times Of Life?

1 Year ago & 2 Years Ago You Couldn't Find a NFS Officer if You Wanted To!

They're Always Welcome In My/Our Camp & I Even Put My Name on the Signs:

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grizzly said:
I must've forgotten to use the sarcastic font.

PS. Wasatch/Cache NF. I even called their local office just a week or two ago simply to thank them for being so responsive on overstays. They're great about it.

I drove through Bighorn NF not long ago, but I've never stepped foot in it. Have you ever tried calling their local office to report overstays?
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Ahhh the bighorn battle. The problem is several people run up on weeknights with others and they trade camper spots to make it look like they're moving around. Some have worthless barely usable campers that are decoys to move just to save that spot for rotation for their nice camper.

I stay away from the bighorns as much as possible. As far as grazing I haven't seen the damage. I have seen the damage on the pryors and leaves the mule deer with little feed especially when it snows.
 
P.T. Jeffers said:
But, overgrazing isn't. Streambeds flattened down to nothing but mud and cow turds floating down the creek isn't good, either. Who's "your" NF cuz' obviously you don't know about the lackadaisical Bighorn NF and their non enforcement of the 14 camping restriction
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PT. Your definition of overgrazing isn't over grazing. Ranchers don't over graze. If they did they would lose their grazing permit. They don't want that any more than the FS wants it. Over grazing is when it's grazed down to the point where foliage wont grow back. You think that cows being there, using the stream is over grazing? Thanks for the laugh!!
 
DBLung said:
PT. Your definition of overgrazing isn't over grazing. Ranchers don't over graze. If they did they would lose their grazing permit. They don't want that any more than the FS wants it. Over grazing is when it's grazed down to the point where foliage wont grow back. You think that cows being there, using the stream is over grazing? Thanks for the laugh!!
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Ranchers most certainly do over-graze in places. Just because something green will grow back or not doesn't define overgrazing.

Increaser/decreaser abundance, habitat type changes, utilization, pugging, hummocking, species diversity, channel bank erosion, and a whole laundry list of things determine over-grazing.
 
I don't know what THEIR definition of overgrazing is, but there most definitely is over grazing on BLM lands when it is grazed down to dirt and the once prevalent wildlife have moved on to "greener pastures". It is not unusual here... more or less the norm.
I have had great hunting areas raped and pillaged to where there was zero wildlfe left after being grazed down to dirt.
 
DBLung said:
PT. Your definition of overgrazing isn't over grazing. Ranchers don't over graze. If they did they would lose their grazing permit. They don't want that any more than the FS wants it. Over grazing is when it's grazed down to the point where foliage wont grow back. You think that cows being there, using the stream is over grazing? Thanks for the laugh!!
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Shirley you jest. If cattle and sheep eating every bit of vegetation, pounding the ground into nothing but bare dirt and cowpies, river banks flattened and pocked with pizz filled hoof prints and brown sludge floating downstream brings you joy and "laughs", I'd hate to see your definition of overgrazing. Would it look something like an H Bomb scorching the earth, Shirley? would that also amuse you? Take a cruise along hwy 14, 14a and 16 then get back to us
 
for all of the pro-excessive grazing fanatics, spent the last couple of days up in the Big Horns and saw something I've never seen before. A small stream that starts as 2-3 seeps off a hillside then runs fast and clear to the N. Tongue river, in a spot about 1/8 of mile downstream of it's source, cow hooves had pummeled the streambed so bad down to the substrate that all of the water just disappeared. This left the remaining 7/8 of a mile a dry stream bed. I'm telling you, cattle are everywhere on the Nat. Forest and I've never seen so many. One good chunk of news, a few of the long term dispersed RV's are gone. The N. Tongue itself because of the riparian and streambed grazing destruction is now about 2 times wider in many areas then before. Real stuff and if you doubt me, go up there and check out things for yourself
 
Well I'm heading to that area in the morning for my archery elk hunt. Was there 5 years ago and didn't see what you are describing. I'll take pics and report back. Hopefully one will have a bull in it.
 
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Well I'm heading to that area in the morning for my archery elk hunt. Was there 5 years ago and didn't see what you are describing. I'll take pics and report back. Hopefully one will have a bull in it.
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Gut shoot some moo moo cows. And pull up survey stakes!
 
P.T. Jeffers said:
for all of the pro-excessive grazing fanatics, spent the last couple of days up in the Big Horns and saw something I've never seen before. A small stream that starts as 2-3 seeps off a hillside then runs fast and clear to the N. Tongue river, in a spot about 1/8 of mile downstream of it's source, cow hooves had pummeled the streambed so bad down to the substrate that all of the water just disappeared. This left the remaining 7/8 of a mile a dry stream bed. I'm telling you, cattle are everywhere on the Nat. Forest and I've never seen so many. One good chunk of news, a few of the long term dispersed RV's are gone. The N. Tongue itself because of the riparian and streambed grazing destruction is now about 2 times wider in many areas then before. Real stuff and if you doubt me, go up there and check out things for yourself
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And that is one of the lesser damaged areas I frequent!
 

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