did the rage die down for the Wyoming ONE SHOT tag grab?

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P.T. Jeffers

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You know that hunt in Lander, where all the pretty people, the rich & privileged and of course the better then you n' me are guaranteed a goat tag? Loser gets to dress up like an indian squaw and dance around? I thought some of the groups were going to make a move to get this elite get together and it's guaranteed hand in the cookie jar tag grab abolished? Heck, in 2021 they even brought in a few token women, mostly low level elected officials to round out things. Wonder if the good ole' boys made the ladies dress up like virgin indian maidens?
 
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I don’t have an answers, but it Sounds like a helluva a time kind of. That ending question would be great if possibly answered with some potential pics so we can get a legitimate visual.
 
P.T. Jeffers said:
You know that hunt in Lander, where all the pretty people, the rich & privileged and of course the better then you n' me are guaranteed a goat tag? Loser gets to dress up like an indian squaw and dance around? I thought some of the groups were going to make a move to get this elite get together and it's guaranteed hand in the cookie jar tag grab abolished? Heck, in 2021 they even brought in a few token women, mostly low level elected officials to round out things. Wonder if the good ole' boys made the ladies dress up like virgin indian maidens?
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No, I actually feel that there is more support for ending the hunt this year. Not as vocal on-line, but the local articles on it were hammered pretty hard by locals... I have reached out to one shot 5 times now requesting the financial records etc. They have not responded to any of my attempts.

I feel there was more emphasis on the horrible Task Force Policies and that diverted energy away from the one shot...

The one shot was bragging that they voluntarily decreased tags in the same percent as the state cut tags locally. But all the comments on the local articles were people stating the hunt needed to end, that those tags should be going to residents and our families etc. I truly feel that with just a little more pressure we can end this hunt, or change it to where the public is eligible to receive the tags instead of wealthy people from out of state...
 
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What and where are the proceeds used? If used for conservation then why not?
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Smoking jackets, cognac, statues for Lander, scholarship I believe, one paid position, a museum.

You want to fund that stuff, hold a bake sale, I don't want my public wildlife resources to fund any of that crap.

They also fund water for wildlife, which sounds great. But, in the past more than 50% of the projects were outside of Wyoming, some even outside the United States (Africa).

I don't want my WYOMING wildlife assets to be used to fund water projects in UT, NM, AZ, TX, OR, etc.

If those states want to give up their wildlife assets to fund water projects in those states, knock yourself out. Not my pig, not my farm but don't expect me to not raise hell about using MY WYOMING wildlife to fund your water project in a state other than Wyoming.

I also have a fundamental dislike of license set asides. In particular when these pronghorn tags are handed to past shooters club members, year after year for some of the premier pronghorn units in the State.

Not much to like...
 
BuzzH said:
They didn't voluntarily decrease tags, its in statute that they have to.

That's a nice "spin" though...
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Well crap, that is nice to know as the local guy with fame and fish, you know the one that claims the licenses do not affect the public draw, said they voluntarily agreed to decrease tags this year… I hope I can find a video of that meeting, I shoved him on the spot and kind of pissed him off…

When he said it did not impact the public draw, I asked if he really thought we could go
Out today and kill 80 antelope bucks and not have an impact? He refused to answer. I said every animals taken off the range regardless of method is one less animals available for hunting. Does not matter if it is poaching, hit by a car, killed by rez dogs, or by a person with the one hunt.

He then tried some bs about the fact that he runs tag allocations in numbers of 5 and as such none of the 80 tags would increase the numbers up to the next level of 5
 
Perks suck………… for everybody but me.

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You want a laugh?

Let Buzz tell you all about how HE fights the one shot so valiently.

Then read the letter he wrote to Wy F&G.

He's a real warrior on this one ????
 
Tikka said:
Where can a guy find said letter to read?
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I found it on Newbergs site a few years ago.

Buzz testified that the public is ok with 24 tags.

He blocked me, seems he don't like getting called out, and as you know, I'm an ass?.

Ask him what he testified to. I'm hanging board today, or I'd spend see search time.(yup, greed on the lord's day)
 
hossblur said:
I found it on Newbergs site a few years ago.

Buzz testified that the public is ok with 24 tags.

He blocked me, seems he don't like getting called out, and as you know, I'm an ass?.

Ask him what he testified to. I'm hanging board today, or I'd spend see search time.(yup, greed on the lord's day)
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Haven't we been through this before? Not a Buzz backer, but his story was he was trying to reduce the number of tags to one shot significantly....a bit of give and take.
 
nripepi said:
Haven't we been through this before? Not a Buzz backer, but his story was he was trying to reduce the number of tags to one shot significantly....a bit of give and take.
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“You want to fund that stuff, hold a bake sale, I don't want my public wildlife resources to fund any of that crap.

I also have a fundamental dislike of license set asides. In particular when these pronghorn tags are handed to past shooters club members, year after year for some of the premier pronghorn units in the State.”

Your response and those quotes, kind of like talking out both sides.


You can’t be against something and testify ( as a self appointed, or actually appointed representative) as to what the “public” would accept. If you are not in favor of it, you should not be the appointed rep. I could not in good conscience, allow myself to be the representative of a barter that I did not agree with. My objections would be what I spoke at said testimony.
 
hossblur said:
I found it on Newbergs site a few years ago.

Buzz testified that the public is ok with 24 tags.

He blocked me, seems he don't like getting called out, and as you know, I'm an ass?.

Ask him what he testified to. I'm hanging board today, or I'd spend see search time.(yup, greed on the lord's day)
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I'll ask a simple question: what do you think would happen to the One Shot if the G&F Commission reduced their tags to the 24 needed for their teams? Hmmm...

Meanwhile, while I have witnessed Buzz's testimony and read his comments in relation to the One Shot, you are strangely absent. We agree on many things, but you have a strange way of showing solidarity on issues.
 
Just FYI, the One Shot was on FB bragging that they raised $110,000 for conservation. I have already emailed them asking about the cost and if that was profit and if all that $110,000 will be going to conservation and if all of that will be spent on projects in WY... I am Suspecting that my email will not be answered.

From my research the entire ordeal has not raised more than a $120,000 for conservation... That the hunt and the tags really do not raise the money that it is the auction that raises the money?

But lets just say the 80 tags raised the $110,000... That would mean that each tag was worth less than $1400....

AN organization gets 80 prime hunting tags and can not even raise $2,000 per tag?

Beyond taking away opportunity for all the one shot hunt is horrible at getting a return on investment...

We should eliminate the hunt all together, or allow the hunt to continue but all 80 tags should be a random draw for everyone... Then when you draw the tag you become part of the hunt.

OF course this would not allow for all the political back door deals and money etc. Which appears to be the real purpose behind the hunt...

FYI I was already informed that due to my stance on the hunt I should likely not have my daughter apply for the scholarship...
 
jm77 said:
I'll ask a simple question: what do you think would happen to the One Shot if the G&F Commission reduced their tags to the 24 needed for their teams? Hmmm...

Meanwhile, while I have witnessed Buzz's testimony and read his comments in relation to the One Shot, you are strangely absent. We agree on many things, but you have a strange way of showing solidarity on issues.
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I don't live in Wyoming. And I doubt I'd find your comments on a lot of Utah issues on the record. We have enough issues in my state.


My "solidarity" is with not pimping out wildlife to pay bills at GF.

You will not find anywhere, here, elsewhere, RAC minutes, etc, where I would be fine with 50 or so tags going to the expo. That's because I'm opposed to any tags going there, because as Buzz, and yourself point out with One Shot, it's BS.

What Buzz tries to portray is he's the ultimate warrior on this subject. Guys can search for themselves his comments about One Shot. Very few actually know what his testimony was, and I'm sure would be quite surprised at it.

If smoking jackets, dresses, indian feathers, etc are morally repugnant, they aren't less so with just a few less tags.

Buzz or you, should post his testimony. Let guys see what he said on record, vs what he says in forums.
 
elks96 said:
Just FYI, the One Shot was on FB bragging that they raised $110,000 for conservation. I have already emailed them asking about the cost and if that was profit and if all that $110,000 will be going to conservation and if all of that will be spent on projects in WY... I am Suspecting that my email will not be answered.

From my research the entire ordeal has not raised more than a $120,000 for conservation... That the hunt and the tags really do not raise the money that it is the auction that raises the money?

But lets just say the 80 tags raised the $110,000... That would mean that each tag was worth less than $1400....

AN organization gets 80 prime hunting tags and can not even raise $2,000 per tag?

Beyond taking away opportunity for all the one shot hunt is horrible at getting a return on investment...

We should eliminate the hunt all together, or allow the hunt to continue but all 80 tags should be a random draw for everyone... Then when you draw the tag you become part of the hunt.

OF course this would not allow for all the political back door deals and money etc. Which appears to be the real purpose behind the hunt...

FYI I was already informed that due to my stance on the hunt I should likely not have my daughter apply for the scholarship...
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Damn, LOOKs like they need to give these tags to SFW and make a banquet out of it and make those tags into 200 premium tags and make millions of dollars for wildlife! Then sit back and wonder why we have no deer.
 
hossblur said:
I don't live in Wyoming. And I doubt I'd find your comments on a lot of Utah issues on the record. We have enough issues in my state.


My "solidarity" is with not pimping out wildlife to pay bills at GF.

You will not find anywhere, here, elsewhere, RAC minutes, etc, where I would be fine with 50 or so tags going to the expo. That's because I'm opposed to any tags going there, because as Buzz, and yourself point out with One Shot, it's BS.
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You comment on Wyoming issues that you obviously don't have a clear or complete understanding. I don't have a clear or complete understanding on Utah issues, which is why I don't comment about Utah issues.
 
jm77 said:
You comment on Wyoming issues that you obviously don't have a clear or complete understanding. I don't have a clear or complete understanding on Utah issues, which is why I don't comment about Utah issues.
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Am I wrong here? Did Buzz not testify that 24 was acceptable?

Can you show us where in the numerous hits he's taken on One Shot, he let's it be known that he isn't an absolutist? That he wanted to compromise?

Because my understanding is that One Shot isn't just bad for Wyoming wildlife, exporting funds out of state, and country. But that it's misogyny and racism are morally disgraceful. That's what has been said for years by him. Right?

I know you talk to him. He blocked me, bullies don't like someone standing up to them. Tell him to post his actual words, and shut me up.
 
hossblur said:
Am I wrong here? Did Buzz not testify that 24 was acceptable?

Can you show us where in the numerous hits he's taken on One Shot, he let's it be known that he isn't an absolutist? That he wanted to compromise?

Because my understanding is that One Shot isn't just bad for Wyoming wildlife, exporting funds out of state, and country. But that it's misogyny and racism are morally disgraceful. That's what has been said for years by him. Right?

I know you talk to him. He blocked me, bullies don't like someone standing up to them. Tell him to post his actual words, and shut me up.
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The One Shot can't be sustained with 24 tags. Do you get it? It goes away.

Buzz fought to prevent outfitter sponsored NR tags and reduced allocations. He called the other day and asked me to help fight increases in special fees and 50/50 special regular fees for NR. And then there's you and your tunnel vision. You can't see past your own hate.

I hope that shuts you up.
 
jm77 said:
The One Shot can't be sustained with 24 tags. Do you get it? It goes away.

Buzz fought to prevent outfitter sponsored NR tags and reduced allocations. He called the other day and asked me to help fight increases in special fees and 50/50 special regular fees for NR. And then there's you and your tunnel vision. You can't see past your own hate.

I hope that shuts you up.
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It goes away with no tags too.

Good dodge. When in trouble, spin away. What that has to do with One Shot, I don't know. Nor do you. I'll notice you didn't post his testimony.

You are correct.

My tunnel vision is not pimping tags. Not interested in compromise on that.

I appreciate your loyalty to a friend, but we both know what is on the record. Which is why you haven't simply posted it to shut me up. Or does that record include some strategy no one was privy to?
 
hossblur said:
It goes away with no tags too.

Good dodge. When in trouble, spin away. What that has to do with One Shot, I don't know. Nor do you. I'll notice you didn't post his testimony.

You are correct.

My tunnel vision is not pimping tags. Not interested in compromise on that.

I appreciate your loyalty to a friend, but we both know what is on the record. Which is why you haven't simply posted it to shut me up. Or does that record include some strategy no one was privy to?
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He stated getting to 24 was possible while 0 was not. Is 24 better than 80?
 
nripepi said:
He stated getting to 24 was possible while 0 was not. Is 24 better than 80?
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Of course .

A little less pimping. A little less misogyny a little less racism.

That's exactly what he's said all these years. "One shot is ok if it's just a little less"?
 
hossblur said:
Of course .

A little less pimping. A little less misogyny a little less racism.

That's exactly what he's said all these years. "One shot is ok if it's just a little less"?
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Man. I get into it with Buzz on most things, but I think you are mistaken here. None on here like one-shot.
 

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