The junk show of H and G.

Dirtydoechaser69

Dirtydoechaser69

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As I write this thread from 8 miles deep into the Wyoming "wilderness" I can hear horses all around. I have never ever seen so many ppl on a hunt and to be frank, I feel bad for the poor animals. It is time for Wyoming to make some changes to the hunting seasons here in Western Wy. What a joke. I will be spending future deer hunts in other states and gladly pay non resident prices. I have spent my whole life hunting in H and G. Hell I live in the heart of it. I won't be hunting here again until something changes. Something extreme.
 
I would love to know where in other states you’ll be hunting that has equal quality, fewer people and tags are plentiful. ???

You definitely need to experience some of the very rare areas in other states where you can just buy a tag and go hunt. I think once you do, you’ll appreciate how much better you’ve got it now.

Give up Wyoming, hunt those other places in other states, then get back with us in 5 years on how great those places were and how few people you had to deal with and how many big bucks you’ve taken.

I’ll agree there are more people hunting that backcountry than ever before, but you’re crazy to think it’s not the case everywhere.

In my opinion, you have the best general season mule deer hunting there is. I wouldn’t be in no rush either to reduce tags in those areas so you see a few less people. Outfitters would love to get the DIY guys on board with tag cuts so that their paying clients have to see less people and kill bigger bucks. But while they’re doing that, you’ll be sitting at home buying points so you can hunt it once every 3 years.

That’s all my opinion. Feel free to complain, as we all do, but I believe once you’ve experienced other areas where tags are plentiful you’ll realize Wyoming is not so bad at all.
 
Think G took 9 in regular and 8 in special got NR. No longer an easy to draw hunt by splitting points. Can still be done, but getting harder and harder.
 
For those of you hunting G, how many tags total (R & NR) do you think the unit can handle? Think around 260 NR tags now. Could it handle 1300 to 1500 tags total? Any guess on how many residents hunt it now?
 
I live in a state where residents can just walk in and buy a general season deer tag to hunt large swaths of the state. Those swaths are hot garbage, unless you have private access. It started going downhill about 20 years ago but you could still pack in a few miles and find good hunting, now those deer too are mostly gone. The same will happen in Wyoming, just a matter of time. The resource in G and H is so much better than my state was even when it was good, so it will take awhile, but with the influx of people into Wyoming it will happen.

You just can't have unlimited hunting anywhere anymore, it just doesn't work. Too many people, too few animals.

The whole hunter recruitment, hunter retention thing that has been pushed the last 10 years is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on sportsman. We need fewer not more.
 
LIK2HNT said:
Think G took 9 in regular and 8 in special got NR. No longer an easy to draw hunt by splitting points. Can still be done, but getting harder and harder.
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I had 8 and was one of just a few that drew with 8 in the special draw. Now time to move to Wyoming. Residents are spoiled, good for you all. With that said I understand the frustration of increased hunting pressure and as a resident I would probably want changes, but as an outsider looking in you've all got it good! Careful what you wish for.
 
I've been in G an H elk hunting for the last couple weeks. Yes, there are trailheads full of trailers and people, but man... compared to the hunting in other states WY is still ther mecca for resident hunters. As someone who has and does hunt every western state, you are not going to find anything even close to what you have, even if it is not what it once was. The sad truth is every W state is not what it once was. The interweb has ruined western hunting,
 
elkocd said:
I've been in G an H elk hunting for the last couple weeks. Yes, there are trailheads full of trailers and people, but man... compared to the hunting in other states WY is still ther mecca for resident hunters. As someone who has and does hunt every western state, you are not going to find anything even close to what you have, even if it is not what it once was. The sad truth is every W state is not what it once was. The interweb has ruined western hunting,
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Your last sentence says it all!!!!
 
it’s makes sense. it’s popular so they can update their youtube and instagrams pages on their backcountry diy public land otc long range big bull elk hunt.
 
marburg said:
I live in a state where residents can just walk in and buy a general season deer tag to hunt large swaths of the state. Those swaths are hot garbage, unless you have private access. It started going downhill about 20 years ago but you could still pack in a few miles and find good hunting, now those deer too are mostly gone. The same will happen in Wyoming, just a matter of time. The resource in G and H is so much better than my state was even when it was good, so it will take awhile, but with the influx of people into Wyoming it will happen.

You just can't have unlimited hunting anywhere anymore, it just doesn't work. Too many people, too few animals.

The whole hunter recruitment, hunter retention thing that has been pushed the last 10 years is the biggest fraud ever perpetrated on sportsman. We need fewer not more.
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sounds like california for the last 2 decades
 
Well Dirtydoechaser69 !

You Coulda Been Hunting Where I Was Opening Morning!

Usually 15-25 Rigs/ATV/UTV Trailers Parked In The Bottom!

I Was The Only Rig Parked In The Bottom Opening Morning!

Gonna Be Good, Right?

WRONG!

The Very Worst I've Ever Seen It!

UN-F'N-BELIEVABLE!

I'll Just Call Myself a DUMB-ASS But Me & My Son Were the Only Two On A Good Sized Chunk Of High Country Alpine Where We Used To Pull a Decent Buck Out Once In a While!

There was One Advantage I Had Over You I Guess!

Not Another Sole Around!

But!

There Wasn't A Shot Fired Within Hearing Range Neither!

And Not SQUAT For Deer Nor Tracks!

Pick your Poison I Guess!
 
Wyoming has been the place to be for the last 20+ years, anyone in the mule deer game knows this. You and I, coupled with the inter webs and the advancements in technology havnt done any western state a solid. I don’t see how you can stop the wave. Relish in these times for this is the hay days of our generation. Our kids will reflect on the days their dads killed “giants” on general tags. Like all things it will come to an end as we know it and the next generation of buck hunters will settle in to killing “giants” of their generation. Change is hard to watch happen right before your eyes but if anything in this life is constant……it’s change.
 
I spoke to a Game Warden Oct 1st as I was coming out of unit 135. I told him what I saw and what I didn't see. We briefly discussed the Greys unit and he said it was one of the best years in a long time. He said that they checked in 100 bucks at the check station so far. I asked how many hunters and he said they think about 2000 hunters. So far that is about 5% sucsess. It's definitely a very hard hunt in some very steep country. More power for those that can hunt it.
 
Dirtydoechaser69 said:
As I write this thread from 8 miles deep into the Wyoming "wilderness" I can hear horses all around. I have never ever seen so many ppl on a hunt and to be frank, I feel bad for the poor animals. It is time for Wyoming to make some changes to the hunting seasons here in Western Wy. What a joke. I will be spending future deer hunts in other states and gladly pay non resident prices. I have spent my whole life hunting in H and G. Hell I live in the heart of it. I won't be hunting here again until something changes. Something extreme.
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Awesome. You leave it will get better take a few friends…
 
liecabucks said:
Wyoming has been the place to be for the last 20+ years, anyone in the mule deer game knows this. You and I, coupled with the inter webs and the advancements in technology havnt done any western state a solid. I don’t see how you can stop the wave. Relish in these times for this is the hay days of our generation. Our kids will reflect on the days their dads killed “giants” on general tags. Like all things it will come to an end as we know it and the next generation of buck hunters will settle in to killing “giants” of their generation. Change is hard to watch happen right before your eyes but if anything in this life is constant……it’s change.
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You nailed it lieca!
When I was young Utah (of all places) was incredible big buck hunting, but it changed dramatically. That was as hard for me to watch as it is for you in Wyoming Dirtydoe! We all have to adapt the best we can.
That's a Killer Bighorn on your Avatar Dirtydoe!
You can certainly smile at that prize.
 
Hunted it 2004 and 2007 as a NR and thought it had some decent pressure then can only imagine it now. Eastmans sure as hell didn’t do that unit/ Western Wyoming any favors even back when Gordo was hauling the 8MM camera and little Mikey was playing Bill Shakespeare with pen to paper in the Quaker’s. They’ve pimped it hard since the mid 1980’s. Also with so many Utah based Outfiiters buying out the older Wyoming outfitter companies and getting there foot in the door with WyGao look for the the local residents to get bent over.
 
elks96 said:
I can tell you where to stick your quota and waiting periods… You will not like it…
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lol. I can imagine.
Residents have had it really good for a long time. I believe those days are numbered. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. Enjoy it while it lasts.
 
elkantlers said:
lol. I can imagine.
Residents have had it really good for a long time. I believe those days are numbered. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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Why must they be numbered? We are still killing awesome bucks every year and with other management strategies we can account for many of the issues… one thing is for certain, the more you limit hunting the more pressure you create and the more limits you will need…
 
elkantlers said:
lol. I can imagine.
Residents have had it really good for a long time. I believe those days are numbered. Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am. Enjoy it while it lasts.
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Residents of Wyoming have a good here as far as area G & H are concerned sounds like we need to cut NR tags again that mite help over crowding sum. Before G & H ever go to LQ for residents I would hope not one NR tag would be issued jmo
 
Conrad8899 said:
Residents of Wyoming have a good here as far as area G & H are concerned sounds like we need to cut NR tags again that mite help over crowding sum. Before G & H ever go to LQ for residents I would hope not one NR tag would be issued jmo
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Or open up the wilderness and quit catering to the outfitters. That's the one negative I can find in WY.
 
Why is it non residents like to b**** about residents and what we get and they don't. Look at the other forums for other states and you don't see us wyoming residents throwing a fit. As a resident I need to look into this region G. Ohh wait there is other areas with simliar caliber of bucks.

I didnt draw a deer tag in another state. I accept the fact I didn't draw and I move on and look forward to trying again next year but those damn residents get to hunt it. So not fair. Right?
 
smokepolejohnson said:
Hunted it 2004 and 2007 as a NR and thought it had some decent pressure then can only imagine it now. Eastmans sure as hell didn’t do that unit/ Western Wyoming any favors even back when Gordo was hauling the 8MM camera and little Mikey was playing Bill Shakespeare with pen to paper in the Quaker’s. They’ve pimped it hard since the mid 1980’s. Also with so many Utah based Outfiiters buying out the older Wyoming outfitter companies and getting there foot in the door with WyGao look for the the local residents to get bent over.
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Yes eastmans pimps out the public stuff then get access every year to hunt big bucks, real classy and I quit supporting them couple years ago and sucks cause I like magazines not just eastmans but not sure a person can support any of them!!
 
nfh said:
Why is it non residents like to b**** about residents and what we get and they don't. Look at the other forums for other states and you don't see us wyoming residents throwing a fit.
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The only reason I can think of is because there home states are putting the shaft to them and are jealous because of how good we have it here... Cut NR tags to 200 next year 200 less NR should help quite a bit... Then of coarse it wont help the squalling any
 
mntnguide said:
Remind us how much wilderness is in G & H? ...ZERO in G, and basically none in comparison to where the majority of deer hunters want to be in H so please explain how this will help the deer hunting? Or are you just whining to whine?
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A RESIDENT whining started this thread. I'm envious of you WY residents I had a great hunt, the way WY caters to the welfare of guides.....not so much.
 
Bigwiffy said:
A RESIDENT whining started this thread. I'm envious of you WY residents I had a great hunt, the way WY caters to the welfare of guides.....not so much.
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Most Wyoming residents dont agree with the wilderness rule U can thank the outfitters for that shafting... In fact the outfitters wanted a big chunk of NR tags this time around for there welfare outfitter draw and it was Wyoming residents who helped stop that tag grab by Sy and the gang.... Ur right it was a resident who started this s%^& show and my suggestion is try another state to hunt next year and see how that works out for the resident of Wyoming.....
 
Bigwiffy said:
A RESIDENT whining started this thread. I'm envious of you WY residents I had a great hunt, the way WY caters to the welfare of guides.....not so much.
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yea..a resident who claims to be 8 miles into a wilderness area yet on the internet bitching...every wilderness I go into, my cell service disappears much quicker than 8 miles. We must have different ideas of wilderness, and maybe thats why I rarely see other people, and have zero reasons to ***** about how appreciative I am of my resident opportunities
 
Savage110 said:
Can you please tell me where this other area is with similar caliber of Bucks to Region G

Sincerely,

Mike Eastman
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Well it's in wyoming. One of the bucks that went over 210 or 220 if I remember the score was front cover of eastmans years ago. The next year another giant was harvested. I will not mention the area to keep the area at low pressure. But the amount of tags they give its hard to draw. Even us residents like me have never drawn. Besides I would rather hunt a whitetail.
 
I even took the time to find the second buck I am talking about

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nfh said:
Well it's in wyoming. One of the bucks that went over 210 or 220 if I remember the score was front cover of eastmans years ago. The next year another giant was harvested. I will not mention the area to keep the area at low pressure. But the amount of tags they give its hard to draw. Even us residents like me have never drawn. Besides I would rather hunt a whitetail.
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I thought you were talking about a general unit? If it is draw, that supports the OP's argument.
 
The best thing is we all know G and H are the only places that produce big bucks!! There is not any other place to hunt big bucks. So g and h it is…
 
My girlfriend and I were in the high country of G this season for a short period. Had to leave way ahead of our schedule do to someone else who tagged along forgetting the schedule we would be on the mountain after discussing it at least 10 times. We backpacked in about 3 miles and were over 9000'. I know based on reading a lot of posts on this site that the "wife and kids" are supposed to hunt in 135 but she was in front all the way up the mountain. Weather sucked first two days but was as expected. Saw a few people, mostly residents, in the area but nothing close to overwhelming. In fact, they were all very helpful with sharing their knowledge of the area. They almost all had horses and were surprised we had frame packs for the deer if we were successful. Opening day we only saw 3 other people and one we talked to counted 38 bucks in one basin opening morning. It was the basin we hoped to be at but issues with our tag along prevented that from happening. All in all we made the best of our brief time on the mountain and enjoyed the beautiful country since our plans for an enjoyable hunt were destroyed. Lesson learned.
 
HuntinEngineer530 said:
My girlfriend and I were in the high country of G this season for a short period. Had to leave way ahead of our schedule do to someone else who tagged along forgetting the schedule we would be on the mountain after discussing it at least 10 times. We backpacked in about 3 miles and were over 9000'. I know based on reading a lot of posts on this site that the "wife and kids" are supposed to hunt in 135 but she was in front all the way up the mountain. Weather sucked first two days but was as expected. Saw a few people, mostly residents, in the area but nothing close to overwhelming. In fact, they were all very helpful with sharing their knowledge of the area. They almost all had horses and were surprised we had frame packs for the deer if we were successful. Opening day we only saw 3 other people and one we talked to counted 38 bucks in one basin opening morning. It was the basin we hoped to be at but issues with our tag along prevented that from happening. All in all we made the best of our brief time on the mountain and enjoyed the beautiful country since our plans for an enjoyable hunt were destroyed. Lesson learned.
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On the bright side, with point creep you’ll likely make a trip back before you die ?
 
liecabucks said:
On the bright side, with point creep you’ll likely make a trip back before you die ?
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I hunted region G in 2006 and our group of 4 were successful. Drew it with 0 points then. This year gf and I each had 9 points and drew in regular draw. The jury is still out if we work on building points to return to G, a different zone in WY, or maybe a different state. That's one tiny plus still living in California. EVERY other state looks incredible to hunt in.
 
mntnguide said:
yea..a resident who claims to be 8 miles into a wilderness area yet on the internet bitching...every wilderness I go into, my cell service disappears much quicker than 8 miles. We must have different ideas of wilderness, and maybe thats why I rarely see other people, and have zero reasons to ***** about how appreciative I am of my resident opportunities
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Haha I was shocked to have service as well. It was quite nice to check football games and such. I hunt all over the West and NW WY is pretty near the bottom of my list. I hunt it hard because I can, but I sure get excited when I can hunt elsewhere... spoiled, yes. I will never understand the hype. The hype is what has sent it on a downward trajectory over the last decade. You have a much better chance at a banger buck in CO or Nebraska. Also with less pressure and fewer pony patrols on every ridge. It is great hunting, but I wouldn't consider it as high quality as other hunts. But we all judge quality differently. It has potential for monsters, there are fantastic deer densities, but it leaves much to be desired and could be so so so so much better if managed differently.
 
I was told I could draw region G with 6 points , guaranteed a few years back, I think I have 9 points now. I'd rather hunt another unit and shoot a meat buck.
 
I drew one of those until as a second choice and got a point about 15 years ago. Man times have changed. WY is, by far, the best state to hunt as a NR. They make you pay for it, over $850 a year nonrefundable, and that is if I draw nothing. The web and magazines hurt draw odds. For the most past they cannot influence hunting pressure in G & H. At least not from NR, only tag numbers affect that. They might encourage hiking in further but given the small # of NR tags, vast amounts of national forest and overall lazy hunters I doubt they affect it much. I really wish I got to experience G & H in its prime more.
 
DonVathome said:
I drew one of those until as a second choice and got a point about 15 years ago. Man times have changed. WY is, by far, the best state to hunt as a NR. They make you pay for it, over $850 a year nonrefundable, and that is if I draw nothing. The web and magazines hurt draw odds. For the most past they cannot influence hunting pressure in G & H. At least not from NR, only tag numbers affect that. They might encourage hiking in further but given the small # of NR tags, vast amounts of national forest and overall lazy hunters I doubt they affect it much. I really wish I got to experience G & H in its prime more.
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Now WY is”non refundable” if you don’t draw? Hmmm
 
SS! said:
Yes. He’s saying between preference point fees and application fees there’s 850.00 you do not get back after applying. I can’t confirm the 850 as the correct amount but it’s a decent chunk of coin..
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negative, it’s half of that. And all non-successful applications refundable, you pay for the points.
 
AZGuy said:
negative, it’s half of that. And all non-successful applications refundable, you pay for the points.
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No you are wrong. If you apply for all species they charge 15.00 per species, a 2.5% Cc fee based off tag cost AND if you don’t draw you have to buy the points. That equals more that half of 850.00.. Hell just purchasing points will put you over 400.

If you want me to spoon feed it to you please ask and I’ll run the exact numbers and include the definition of non refundable also. ?
 
SS! said:
No you are wrong. If you apply for all species they charge 15.00 per species, a 2.5% Cc fee based off tag cost AND if you don’t draw you have to buy the points. That equals more that half of 850.00.. Hell just purchasing points will put you over 400.

If you want me to spoon feed it to you please ask and I’ll run the exact numbers and include the definition of non refundable also. ?
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You guys are right, I forgot about the CC fee. Glad I asked:)
 
AZGuy said:
You guys are right, I forgot about the CC fee. Glad I asked:)
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I don't understand how they cannot give another option than paying the 2.5%. I ask G&F every year and will ask again this year. I guess I will request a FOIA of the credit card contract they have to see if they are truly being charged 2.5% on debit cards or not. I sure hope they are not and if so that is a crazy contract.

It is over $900 non-refundable if you apply for everything, close to 50% points and fees. $779 + $150 in application fees = $929

Tag FeePointsCC FeesNo Tag Total
Antelope Special$ 614$ 31$ 16$ 47
Antelope Doe$ 34$ 1$ 1
Bighorn$ 2,320$ 150$ 62$ 212
Bison$ 4,402$ 110$ 110
Deer Special$ 662$ 41$ 18$ 59
Deer Doe$ 34$ 1$ 1
Elk Special$ 1,268$ 52$ 33$ 85
Elk Cow$ 288$ 7$ 7
Moose$ 1,982$ 150$ 53$ 203
Mountain Goat$ 2,162$ 54$ 54
Total$ 13,766$ 424$ 355$ 779
 
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Before I get drilled, yes, I know they could add a license fee instead of the 2.5%. Seems like gouging those who have a lot of moose and sheep points that are too far invested. Maybe if you have over 20 points your cost should go down or your CC fee waived or some sort of thank you?
 
nripepi said:
Before I get drilled, yes, I know they could add a license fee instead of the 2.5%. Seems like gouging those who have a lot of moose and sheep points that are too far invested. Maybe if you have over 20 points your cost should go down or your CC fee waived or some sort of thank you?
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I recall reading Idaho had better draw odds and more sheep tags for NR than WY. You should try there.
 
nripepi said:
I don't understand how they cannot give another option than paying the 2.5%. I ask G&F every year and will ask again this year. I guess I will request a FOIA of the credit card contract they have to see if they are truly being charged 2.5% on debit cards or not. I sure hope they are not and if so that is a crazy contract.

It is over $900 non-refundable if you apply for everything, close to 50% points and fees. $779 + $150 in application fees = $929

Tag FeePointsCC FeesNo Tag Total
Antelope Special$ 614$ 31$ 16$ 47
Antelope Doe$ 34$ 1$ 1
Bighorn$ 2,320$ 150$ 62$ 212
Bison$ 4,402$ 110$ 110
Deer Special$ 662$ 41$ 18$ 59
Deer Doe$ 34$ 1$ 1
Elk Special$ 1,268$ 52$ 33$ 85
Elk Cow$ 288$ 7$ 7
Moose$ 1,982$ 150$ 53$ 203
Mountain Goat$ 2,162$ 54$ 54
Total$ 13,766$ 424$ 355$ 779
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The stupid credit card fees is one thing the task force could have looked at but never did it affects all hunters and does nothing financially for the game and fish other than make it easy for everyone in the world to apply.
 
nripepi said:
Before I get drilled, yes, I know they could add a license fee instead of the 2.5%. Seems like gouging those who have a lot of moose and sheep points that are too far invested. Maybe if you have over 20 points your cost should go down or your CC fee waived or some sort of thank you?
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Don't worry about the grilling, there's a couple guys here that have your back!
 
nripepi said:
Before I get drilled, yes, I know they could add a license fee instead of the 2.5%. Seems like gouging those who have a lot of moose and sheep points that are too far invested. Maybe if you have over 20 points your cost should go down or your CC fee waived or some sort of thank you?
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Actual cc fee when implemented was 2.2% on the purchase side and $0.10 on the refund side if I remember correctly.
 
sounds like a perfect unit to film and live stream my Monster mule hunt!dirt nap! you won’t believe this! 2023 youtube vid.
 
West River said:
The stupid credit card fees is one thing the task force could have looked at but never did it affects all hunters and does nothing financially for the game and fish other than make it easy for everyone in the world to apply.
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If I remember correctly, the credit card fee is worth between 2-3 million per year to G&F, not chump change.

When all this went down a few years ago, the general consensus was applications would increase even more if the applicant wasn't required to submit total license fee with application. I guess you don't agree with that.
 
jm77 said:
If I remember correctly, the credit card fee is worth between 2-3 million per year to G&F, not chump change.

When all this went down a few years ago, the general consensus was applications would increase even more if the applicant wasn't required to submit total license fee with application. I guess you don't agree with that.
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Couldn't you give a brother or sister an option to submit the full fee via debit card and opt out of the fee? The fee is real if you use a credit card, so the millions is not profit.
 
nripepi said:
Couldn't you give a brother or sister an option to submit the full fee via debit card and opt out of the fee?
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Seems fair to me. I guess you should have been involved when they made the change. The process took the better part of a year.
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The fee is real if you use a credit card, so the millions is not profit.
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It is if it was paid by G&F for the many years prior.
 
jm77 said:
Seems fair to me. I guess you should have been involved when they made the change. The process took the better part of a year.

It is if it was paid by G&F for the many years prior.
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I assume they included that in their budgeting and tag prices, right?
 
The change to an unavoidable 2.5% CC fee was just another dishonest money grab by WYGFD.

New Mexico doesn't keep a 2.5% CC fee when they do my $8000+ refund every year because they know the banks also refund the ~2.2% when the refund happens. True cost to vendor is only pennies when the transaction is reversed.

WYGFD just dishonestly labels it a CC fee so that an unwitting consumer will just blame the CC company and not understand that the vendor is pulling a fast one.
 
Crampy said:
The change to an unavoidable 2.5% CC fee was just another dishonest money grab by WYGFD.

New Mexico doesn't keep a 2.5% CC fee when they do my $8000+ refund every year because they know the banks also refund the ~2.2% when the refund happens. True cost to vendor is only pennies when the transaction is reversed.

WYGFD just dishonestly labels it a CC fee so that an unwitting consumer will just blame the CC company and not understand that the vendor is pulling a fast one.
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Whenever I feel a "vendor" is pulling a fast one, guess what I do?
 
nripepi said:
I assume they included that in their budgeting and tag prices, right?
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Without a doubt, those fees are included in the budget. Tag prices however, are set by the Wyoming Legislature and not on a yearly basis.
 
Crampy said:
The change to an unavoidable 2.5% CC fee was just another dishonest money grab by WYGFD.

New Mexico doesn't keep a 2.5% CC fee when they do my $8000+ refund every year because they know the banks also refund the ~2.2% when the refund happens. True cost to vendor is only pennies when the transaction is reversed.

WYGFD just dishonestly labels it a CC fee so that an unwitting consumer will just blame the CC company and not understand that the vendor is pulling a fast one.
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Are you sure? The announcement said that Wyoming will not profit on the 2.5% fee charged.

“The new 2.5% processing fee will offset the costs charged to Game and Fish for accepting credit cards. Game and Fish will not profit from this fee,” said Greg Phipps, Game and Fish chief of the fiscal division.

I think the merchant still has to pay their fees on most returns, but I could be wrong.

https://wgfd.wyo.gov/News/Game-and-Fish-credit-card-processing-fee-begins-fo
 
Crampy said:
The change to an unavoidable 2.5% CC fee was just another dishonest money grab by WYGFD.

New Mexico doesn't keep a 2.5% CC fee when they do my $8000+ refund every year because they know the banks also refund the ~2.2% when the refund happens. True cost to vendor is only pennies when the transaction is reversed.

WYGFD just dishonestly labels it a CC fee so that an unwitting consumer will just blame the CC company and not understand that the vendor is pulling a fast one.
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Wyomings processor doesn’t refund the cc fee and never has.
 
WapitiBob said:
Wyomings processor doesn’t refund the cc fee and never has.
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I think that is normal from what I have read, but why can't they allow an e-check or debit card option with a reduced fee? Many government agencies in multiple states do this.
 
nripepi said:
Are you sure? The announcement said that Wyoming will not profit on the 2.5% fee charged.

https://wgfd.wyo.gov/News/Game-and-Fish-credit-card-processing-fee-begins-fo
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WYGFD is lying. That 2.5% CC fee goes directly to their operating account, less a few pennies that the CC/bank/processor truly charges for net zero transactions.

Look at New Mexico to be sure.

My family CC bill for New Mexico Apps is over $25K. New Mexico only keeps the $65 base hunting license and $13 per species. I just checked statements - Oryx/Ibex were $1623 charges and then $1610 went back to me the next month. Each species refunds independently with only the $13 missing from the refund.

Do you think New Mexico would engage in this $25K charge/refund game with me annually if they didn't get the 2.5% back each year? That 2.5% would cost them $625 (2.5%) for my family and far exceeds the $65 base license and $13/species. NMDGF would be losing hundreds of dollars on every NR applicant every year. Would NMDGF engage in that transaction at such a loss?
Not possible.

Shame on WYGFD.
 
Instead of writing about something your guessing about, make a 60 second call to Jennifer and she can explain it to you.
 
Crampy said:
WYGFD is lying. That 2.5% CC fee goes directly to their operating account, less a few pennies that the CC/bank/processor truly charges for net zero transactions.

Look at New Mexico to be sure.

My family CC bill for New Mexico Apps is over $25K. New Mexico only keeps the $65 base hunting license and $13 per species. I just checked statements - Oryx/Ibex were $1623 charges and then $1610 went back to me the next month. Each species refunds independently with only the $13 missing from the refund.

Do you think New Mexico would engage in this $25K charge/refund game with me annually if they didn't get the 2.5% back each year? That 2.5% would cost them $625 (2.5%) for my family and far exceeds the $65 base license and $13/species. NMDGF would be losing hundreds of dollars on every NR applicant every year. Would NMDGF engage in that transaction at such a loss?
Not possible.

Shame on WYGFD.
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It’s obvious you know nothing about credit card fees. And it isn’t worth the time to even educate you because you are so closed minded. Since you feel like WY is screwing you it must be disappointing you don’t apply for WY? Or are you spineless and still apply? Stand up to them! Or do you sit in the corner and take it? Take it hard!

Which would you rather have? One state charges 2.5% Cc fee and gives out a healthy amount of non resident tags or do you want a state that just factors in the 2.5% Cc fee as part of the cost but gives you barely any tags to apply for? Because if you think they are not factoring it in you’re wrong….again.

For your thick skull the first one is WY, the second is NM. It shouldn’t of had to be said but it had to be said…
 
Spent almost 25 days in G this year. Found my buck scouting but not hunting. I would sell my kids to go again! Thank you WY.

Also enjoyed some nice time with my boys in W Wy chasing lopes and killed a nice 75” goat to go with my sons 78”er. Great time. Judging lopes in the mirage ain’t easy.

Now I need to figure out where to spend my elk points in ‘23.
 
Bigwiffy said:
Or open up the wilderness and quit catering to the outfitters. That's the one negative I can find in WY.
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No Big game hunting in the wilderness still kills me… I can fish, hike, small game hunt, backpack, ride horses, and hunt wolves, but when it comes to Elk and Deer… no sir! GTFOH with that nonsense!
 
SS! said:
It’s obvious you know nothing about credit card fees. And it isn’t worth the time to even educate you because you are so closed minded. Since you feel like WY is screwing you it must be disappointing you don’t apply for WY? Or are you spineless and still apply? Stand up to them! Or do you sit in the corner and take it? Take it hard!

Which would you rather have? One state charges 2.5% Cc fee and gives out a healthy amount of non resident tags or do you want a state that just factors in the 2.5% Cc fee as part of the cost but gives you barely any tags to apply for? Because if you think they are not factoring it in you’re wrong….again.

For your thick skull the first one is WY, the second is NM. It shouldn’t of had to be said but it had to be said…
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I don't understand. Can you explain again?
 

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