Jicarilla Deer Tag!

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Dreamin_of_elk

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I got lucky and drew the Jicarilla trophy buck tag for December 1-10th. Anyone have pics of bucks you’ve taken off of the reservation in years passed? I’d love to see them! Sounds like it’s a good horn growth year with all the moisture. Hopefully we can turn up something special. I’ve never killed a buck over 200”. That’s my goal for this tag, is that too lofty of a goal?
 
Dreamin_of_elk said:
I got lucky and drew the Jicarilla trophy buck tag for December 1-10th. Anyone have pics of bucks you’ve taken off of the reservation in years passed? I’d love to see them! Sounds like it’s a good horn growth year with all the moisture. Hopefully we can turn up something special. I’ve never killed a buck over 200”. That’s my goal for this tag, is that too lofty of a goal?
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Best of Luck ! Go for the Gold 200 “ Buck - the tag of a Lifetime!!
Jerry Gold- Windsor, Colorado
 
Gonna be a banner year. Hopefully your lined up with some good help on the tribes side. Special place that’s produces some special deer. Keep us posted how it goes. I’d stay to the 200 golden rule unless a no question buck steps out and there’s a lot of no question bucks that don’t go 200” but are even more worthy of the tag, or a book typical that’s hurting for a dirt nap. Not my bucks but a few Sista’s of the tribe stackin em up.

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It will be a banner year, a 200" buck is always had to find. I echo the comment on i hope you are set up with a good guide, hunt of a lifetime....make memories.
 
I have had the privilege to mount a few off of there. They all have had giant be bodies. I believe this one nets around 200. It's the biggest typical I have mounted. Definitely one of the biggest capes, 28" behind the ears 30" on the swell. Good luck. Can't wait to see the pics.

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Definitely following this one. I hunt land we own in 5A that we've had since 2013. I'm still waiting on something to trickle over the line from the Jic. We are only about a mile away.

Rumor is they bring in some large bulls and release them to increase the genetics in their elk herd. I don't mind this one bit. I'd love to have some 350" bulls versus the meat bulls that are the common trophy in Rio Arriba County.
 
I hunted elk on the Jicarilla several years and they had a high fence area but most of the hunting was free chase. I would think the big bull they are bringing in would go to the high fence area but who knows.
 
Uttaxi1 that’s a slammer buck and a beautiful mount! My guide asked what my dream buck for the hunt is. I told him a 200”+ typical. The buck you posted would be almost impossible to pass even on the first morning.

Correction…that buck would be impossible to pass period. I hope he has a twin running around this year! Hunt is only about 5 weeks out!
 
Dreamin_of_elk said:
I got lucky and drew the Jicarilla trophy buck tag for December 1-10th. Anyone have pics of bucks you’ve taken off of the reservation in years passed? I’d love to see them! Sounds like it’s a good horn growth year with all the moisture. Hopefully we can turn up something special. I’ve never killed a buck over 200”. That’s my goal for this tag, is that too lofty of a goal?
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Congrats, I tried for that tag 50 years ago was $10,000 BACK THEN WHAT’S THE FEE THESE DAYS?
 
The average on that tag is 205, so that’s what I would be holding out for. It’s also, far and away, the number 1 producer of BC typicals. That country produces a lot of really big, clean 4 points.

I have applied but never drawn. Congratulations, you’re in for the hunt of your life.
 
kscowboy01 said:
Definitely following this one. I hunt land we own in 5A that we've had since 2013. I'm still waiting on something to trickle over the line from the Jic. We are only about a mile away.

Rumor is they bring in some large bulls and release them to increase the genetics in their elk herd. I don't mind this one bit. I'd love to have some 350" bulls versus the meat bulls that are the common trophy in Rio Arriba County.
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Need a new friend!?
 
I think it was 2006 when I elk hunted on the reservation. I think the tag was $5,000 then, $1,500 for the guide and paid for your own motel and food. I think that tag is $10,000 now.
 
So let me guess this straight. if one would plan on hunting the Jicarilla Reservation for mule deer in New Mexico, they would have to get lucky in the draw? or do you have to wait 4 years just to get on the waiting list to hunt with a guide from the Indian Reservation. I was told by a guide in New Mexico that it takes 4 years to get on a waiting list just to apply to hunt the Jicarilla. He said the total cost of the hunt is around $50,000, $25,000 to use an Indian Reservation hunting guide, then another $25,000 to bid or buy the tag. Someone please let me know, I feel like there is more to this story…
 
There used to be the draw which it sounds like the author did and then auction tags. I think the elk are different than the deer. That is the deer with draw and auction.
 
I had an unbelievable time on the reservation. We didn’t meet one single person who wasn’t over the top kind and genuine to us.

We arrived a day early to scout. We found several bucks bigger than anything I’ve ever seen anywhere else with a tag in my pocket but none of them seemed to get my guide, Bryan Panzy, excited. With two hours of light left I glassed up a bedded buck about 800 yards out. A few minutes later he stood up and Bryan proceeded to lose his mind. He recognized the buck immediately. Last year they had nicknamed him “Ice Pick” do to a 7” drop tine of his right main beam just above this eye. Several hunters passed him last year even though they estimated him to be in the high 190’s. This year he came back bigger than ever. His bases exploded with mass and points going everywhere. He also added several inches in width. After watching him until dark we decided he was a no-brainer even on the first day. The next morning we were right back where we put him to bed, he was no where to be found! We looked everywhere but could not turn him up. We ended up finding a giant 3x4 that he has been with the night before, a little over a mile away from where we left him.

At 1:30Pm we went back to our starting point and started glassing again. Within about 5 minutes we found him in the thick trees above where he had bedded the night before. He was hot on a doe and oblivious to our presence. We took our time and got set up. One 350 yard shot and he was down.

When we got to him, he grew on us. 7” bases, 43” of total mass, 27” inside spread. GIANT. Unfortunately he broke off about 4-5” of his drop tine. As is, he grossed 207.5”. He’s a buck of a lifetime for me.

To make it better, my 83 year old grandpa was there with me and was able to experience the entire hunt. It’s a trip I will never forget and an old troll buck I’ll likely never top!

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Whoa! Gorgeous buck! If it were me I'd do the same thing and have a good taxidermist bring back to life the dropper. It's not that tough to do but a little tough to do right.
 
nripepi said:
I would do it to, but if you are putting him in the typical book those 4 inches lost are going to help him out quite a bit on net scores. Congrats on a beauty!
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A 4 inch extra point doesn’t have any negative effect on the net typical score of a buck. (ie: non typical points help a non typical score but don’t hinder a typical score).
 
Beautiful buck. I think if I had one mule deer hunt left in my life the rut on the Jicaarilla would probably be at the top of the list. Thanks for sharing with those of us who will most likely never get the opportunity.
 
nripepi said:
Hmmmm. That is how I think it should be as well.
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I’m not saying that’s how I think it should be, that’s how it is. If you have a buck with a 190” net typical frame and he has 20” of extras, he nets 190 typical, or 210” non typical. You don’t subtract extra points from a typical score, they just don’t count towards the score in any way. So there’s no way that a buck having a broken tine can ever increase its score.
 
yotebuster17 said:
I’m not saying that’s how I think it should be, that’s how it is. If you have a buck with a 190” net typical frame and he has 20” of extras, he nets 190 typical, or 210” non typical. You don’t subtract extra points from a typical score, they just don’t count towards the score in any way. So there’s no way that a buck having a broken tine can ever increase its score.
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Wrong
 
yotebuster17 said:
I’m not saying that’s how I think it should be, that’s how it is. If you have a buck with a 190” net typical frame and he has 20” of extras, he nets 190 typical, or 210” non typical. You don’t subtract extra points from a typical score, they just don’t count towards the score in any way. So there’s no way that a buck having a broken tine can ever increase its score.
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That is how it should be, I would have two in the book, but neither makes it as they have non-typical points. I guess I could shoot them off. This is my biggest beef with B&C. A 190 with 7 inches of extras is 7 inches worse than a 190. It is better or the same, not worse.
 
nripepi said:
That is how it should be, I would have two in the book, but neither makes it as they have non-typical points. I guess I could shoot them off. This is my biggest beef with B&C. A 190 with 7 inches of extras is 7 inches worse than a 190. It is better or the same, not worse.
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Again, you measure the typical frame, deduct the differences in each point and mass measurement from side to side and disregard the extras. So again, it is IMPOSSIBLE for a broken tine to INCREASE your score. If you have a 190” net mainframe 4 point muley with a 5” kicker, he scores 190 net typical and 195 net non typical. If you break the kicker off, he still scores 190 net typical. You cannot increase a score by breaking off tines.
 
yotebuster17 said:
I’m not saying that’s how I think it should be, that’s how it is. If you have a buck with a 190” net typical frame and he has 20” of extras, he nets 190 typical, or 210” non typical. You don’t subtract extra points from a typical score, they just don’t count towards the score in any way. So there’s no way that a buck having a broken tine can ever increase its score.
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Being an official measurer: the non typical points are deducted off the net typical score for B&C and for non typical scores they are added back to the net typical score! Also a word of advice is to have your buck scored before any repairs are done otherwise it won’t be excepted in the books.
 
nripepi said:
That is how it should be, I would have two in the book, but neither makes it as they have non-typical points. I guess I could shoot them off. This is my biggest beef with B&C. A 190 with 7 inches of extras is 7 inches worse than a 190. It is better or the same, not worse.
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I’d have several qualifiers.
 
I wonder how many guys have broken extra tines off before getting critters officially scored and then have them repaired after officially scored? I personally don’t think it would be worth it but could be done.

Doesn’t seem right but it’s the sad truth that extra “trash” is subtracted from B&C typical scores. There are a heck of a lot of TF bucks with booner frames that don’t qualify due to the subtractions.

I think one thing that B&C changed a few years ago is if a critter breaks off a typical tine/horn and you find it you can officially have it scored with the broken tine.

Unfortunately one of the biggest pronghorn I’ve harvested broke 1 1/2” off a horn when he fell and I never found the tip. He lost 3” of length because I couldn’t find the broken tip. 3” of score on a pronghorn is pretty substantial. I know what he scored before breaking off the tip so that’s all that’s important to me!
 
yotebuster17 said:
You don’t know how to score do you?
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Lol someone doesn't know how to score, but it might be you.

Although I do believe you are correct if you use the SCI scoring method. But as far as B&C is concerned abnormal points are a deduction off of the typical frame.

And I will say I do like that about the SCI system over the B&C system.
 
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JakeH said:
Lol someone doesn't know how to score, but it might be you.

Although I do believe you are correct if you use the SCI scoring method. But as far as B&C is concerned abnormal points are a deduction off of the typical frame.

And I will say I do like that about the SCI system over the B&C system.
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Also being an official SCI measurer you are correct. No deductions but any non typical pts will be recorded as supplemental information only. I feel the SCI system credits the animal better with no deductions!
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appaloosa said:
Sweet jeezus dude, you are completely wrong. Look at the attachment. Abnormal points are deducted from the final "net" score on a typical mule deer. Row E, "length of abnormal points". Is entered in column 3 and deducted from the final score.
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You guys are correct. I missed it on the top of the chart and came in with way more confidence in that then I was due. I was always under the false notion that the only deductions were the differences on the mainframe. Big time apologies for being a complete a hole and I’m 100% wrong on this one.
 
yotebuster17 said:
You guys are correct. I missed it on the top of the chart and came in with way more confidence in that then I was due. I was always under the false notion that the only deductions were the differences on the mainframe. Big time apologies for being a complete a hole and I’m 100% wrong on this one.
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No problem. I don’t know how many times I’ve thought for sure I was right on something and then my wife proves I’m wrong. :LOL:
 
jims said:
I wonder how many guys have broken extra tines off before getting critters officially scored and then have them repaired after officially scored? I personally don’t think it would be worth it but could be done.

Doesn’t seem right but it’s the sad truth that extra “trash” is subtracted from B&C typical scores. There are a heck of a lot of TF bucks with booner frames that don’t qualify due to the subtractions.

I think one thing that B&C changed a few years ago is if a critter breaks off a typical tine/horn and you find it you can officially have it scored with the broken tine.

Unfortunately one of the biggest pronghorn I’ve harvested broke 1 1/2” off a horn when he fell and I never found the tip. He lost 3” of length because I couldn’t find the broken tip. 3” of score on a pronghorn is pretty substantial. I know what he scored before breaking off the tip so that’s all that’s important to me!
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I think the guy that had a lot of coues deer in B&C got in trouble taking off extra points. Think his name was Miller. They asked to all his antlers X-rayed at their expense and he refused. They scrubbed all his previous entries in B&C.
 
There is also a giant pronghorn that a guy added a bunch more mass plus length. Always a select few whackos in the crowd of honest hunters!
 
jims said:
There is also a giant pronghorn that a guy added a bunch more mass plus length. Always a select few whackos in the crowd of honest hunters!
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Exactly how does one do that? I could see breaking off the tips to get the mass measurement spots moved to a better more favorable spot, but don't see how you could add length.
 
I hate to take anything away from dream’n of elks post but thought I’d explain a few things. If you want to get your muley scored it’s possible to find someone to replace your buck’s broken tine after officially scored. If you have good pics and if done correctly, it would be possible to replace the tine exactly how it looked prior to being broken.

A taxidermist or someone else that knew what they were doing somehow added material around the bases on the antelope I mentioned. It’s amazing what someone that knows what they are doing can do with epoxie-sculpt and other products that are nearly impossible to tell is fake without x-rays!

Reproduction antlers/horns have come a long ways in recent years. It takes a lot of talent to recreate and paint them well though.

I’ve actually done a lot of antler art and antler/horn restoration work thats pretty tough to tell that anything has been altered or repaired. It’s takes a gob of time but is pretty impressive when done. It’s pretty easy to tell poor quality repair work though. Similar to any taxidermy work it pays to pay extra for someone that really knows what they are doing!
 
great buck with or without the drop tine. personally, I'd leave it as is. that's how he died. he was a warrior probably fighting off another buck.
 

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