Good ole Idaho

Could probably look at 40,41,42 general season hunter numbers and get a idea of how much added pressure would end up in 39 if they did make those southern units all draw. Putting all those hunters close to home takes a lot of pressure of rest of state. Yeah population is booming but hunting participation is not to point of limiting residents. I bought second deer and elk tags last year again. They should adjust outfitter tag numbers and release those to nonresidents before August 1st if they want to bring more revenue into state. Yeah I’m paying price locked nonresident rates but any hunter coming from out of state is going to pump more $$ into economy. System is so flawed I don’t know how they can ignore this debacle.
 
NR should and will be a draw. limit to single species a year with a one year waiting period if they draw i think is a fantastic idea. take it evern further and if you draw a general season tag you cant put in for controlled hunts and bang NR just got better odds for there share of draw tags. Idahos been the western states hunting whore for everyone that doesn't live here and it needs to change

That's what I'm saying. If nonres unit quotas (for the current general seasons) were put into a draw format, there would be no general seasons for nonres to apply for. They'd all have to pick a controlled hunt unit (hopefully one species) to apply for, and that would alleviate some of the applications on the present controlled hunt units, which would increase odds for everyone all around.

More money via nonres controlled hunt application fees (which should be more expensive than present), and everyone gets increased odds.

It's sad were discussing this, but it's reality at this point
 
It will happen, maybe not in the next 5 years but it will surely happen.. As soon as residents can't buy an over the counter tag year after year they'll want the draw to make it fair. Can't have an influx of residents and not make changes.
What over the counter tag can you not buy as a resident?
 
Serious question. Why do residents care if a NR is applying for only one vs three species, same amount of tags are issued and they will still all get issued/drawn. It's a small piece of the pie but you're cutting tag application revenue by at least 66% (could be more if you lose applicants). My odd's might get higher for a premium hunt, but I don't need a premium unit to kill a premium (in my eyes) buck. I'd rather hunt a "lesser" unit every year. I don't see the one species happening, but I don't get the appeal for it

Or do you guys mean only one species for the areas that are now general. I think throwing everyone in a draw for general, and then a separate draw for what are now controlled, then in what is now the second draw for controlled hunts. do all tags that have been returned.

I'm down with making it not everyone's back up plan, but while this has been some people whore, she's been my main gal and no matter what she does or how others treat her... I'd hate to lose her!!
 
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i sincerely do not believe a resident tag will ever be a draw in Idaho. the management strategy (if you want to call it that) is not for quality its for opportunity. that's real easy to see in units like 40 that theirs been lots of threads about on here. you could easily make that premier unit by shutting it down. never happen, its right by town, guys want to shoot 2 points in there and there will always be a general season.

NR should and will be a draw. limit to single species a year with a one year waiting period if they draw i think is a fantastic idea. take it evern further and if you draw a general season tag you cant put in for controlled hunts and bang NR just got better odds for there share of draw tags. Idahos been the western states hunting whore for everyone that doesn't live here and it needs to change
Colorado has been the whore for nonresident hunting more than Idaho

I disagree and would expect Idaho to become draw for residents in the future. It might take 10 or more years but it is coming.
 
Resident tags 1981 = 491,850 Non Res 48,560
Resident tags 2001 = 790,403 Non Res 90,890
Resident tags 2021 = 1,412,039 Non Res 248,610

You can not tell me their is not more pressure on the Wildlife.
Need to go to a draw. Period!

Colorado 1981 = 551,531 2021 = 602,207

I see a huge difference.

 
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Resident tags 1981 = 491,850 Non Res 48,560
Resident tags 2001 = 790,403 Non Res 90,890
Resident tags 2021 = 1,412,039 Non Res 248,610

You can not tell me their is not more pressure on the Wildlife.
Need to go to a draw. Period!

Colorado 1981 = 551,531 2021 = 602,207

I see a huge difference.

Idaho sold a combined 1.6 million tags in 2021? Wow. That’s super scary ?
 
Resident tags 1981 = 491,850 Non Res 48,560
Resident tags 2001 = 790,403 Non Res 90,890
Resident tags 2021 = 1,412,039 Non Res 248,610

You can not tell me their is not more pressure on the Wildlife.
Need to go to a draw. Period!

Colorado 1981 = 551,531 2021 = 602,207

I see a huge difference.

I’m going to need to see some references on that.
 
how about just bag any non resident hunting at all and increase resident fees to cover the difference. i bet it wouldn't be a real tough sell around here...
Yes Wyoming could do that also and I’d be fine ?, but since that’s never gonna happen Idaho should do a draw with none of the points BS!! Straight up random , come on Idaho let’s get it done,
 
BS picket! Nobody with any sense ever thought this was a good system. Worst system of any state by far. Idaho should be real proud of themselves. Most F’d up part about it, they already have a draw system in place.
Nobody will, but it makes you want to bag the whole thing with Idaho & spend your money somewhere else.
I will and did. I won't participate in that **** show or give them license fees to put in for LE tags until they get their **** together with these general tags.
 
Every capped zone except 4 sold out in 2022. Year after year of not getting your favorite area due to it selling out prior to you buying a tag will change a person's mind about a draw system
Capped tags are kinda designed to sell out….lots of units with out a cap. n fact Ive never bought a capped tag snd kill a bull every year. So I know it can be done
 
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Resident tags 1981 = 491,850 Non Res 48,560
Resident tags 2001 = 790,403 Non Res 90,890
Resident tags 2021 = 1,412,039 Non Res 248,610

You can not tell me their is not more pressure on the Wildlife.
Need to go to a draw. Period!

Colorado 1981 = 551,531 2021 = 602,207

I see a huge difference.

Interesting numbers but I don't take them at face value. I think the Idaho F&G has found a way to manipulate the numbers to make more $$. I don't believe Idaho has increased the number of nonresident hunters in the field that much. I think it is more about Idaho selling more licenses for $$ and artificially increasing those license numbers to get more Pittman Robertson Act $$.

In the past, nonresident hunters didn't buy licenses/tags in Idaho unless they intended to actually go hunting. Now nonresident hunters are buying licenses and tags well in advance and end up returning tags and never even hunt Idaho that year.

With all the new residents in Idaho, nonresidents are going to have even less opportunity in the future. Currently Idaho F&G gives well over 10% of the general season tags to nonresidents. Residents are going to put more pressure to limit nonresidents to 10% of the general season tags.
 
how about just bag any non resident hunting at all and increase resident fees to cover the difference. i bet it wouldn't be a real tough sell around here...
I’ve been saying some version of this for years around here. I’d pay more so long as opportunity/options are abundant. As it stands now the increase prices for less of both.
 
Those tag numbers merely represent Idaho desire to manage predators. I always buy 2 wolf tags. Double punch is the only ethical shot to take on wolves. Instead of posting tag numbers how about hunting license numbers probably not as shocking?
 

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