Mr. Anti-public land, Mike Lee, needs to go

2lumpy · Nov 30, 2022

Bluehair said:
As I said, I can’t wait to unleash my creative anger on another democrat besides the donald.

Biden is the biggest dummy since carter, and I’m having to waste my time on trump.

I’m disenfranchised. Although I don’t really have anything to complain about*

*my fuel pump went out in my Bronco and I’m getting too damned old to lay on the ground.

I understand completely blue. Like you, I’m not hurting, at least not yet. I live pretty isolated except when I travel.

The personalities that run the government don’t effect me, personally, from one to another. Reason being, I’m not wealthy and financial regulations and taxation laws have little effect on my life style………. but that’s a short term effect. Not long term. My contentment is different that some folks, I live in the long term, meaning I think, plan, and worry about the long term. I have never been concerned with the here and now. My life has been and even at this age, is still driven by what I believe will happen tomorrow, based on what is happening today.

What some guy is or isn’t doing with his wife or his mistresses is of no concern to me, as long as he is doing what I think is in the long term best interest in the country. Women in politics who have multiple loves are of No concerned of mine either. Women look after themselves pretty well as far as I can tell. They certainly say they can.

Everybody I know or have ever known is a liar. Some more than others. Who in hell likes liars but since we all are, I judge people on other critical characteristics, as well as their lies.

Everybody I know takes care of themselves and their family first. Some more than others. I do, you do……. The way others do it makes them more or less tolerable. Again, depend how that is controlling the direction of the Republic as to how tolerate toward that individual I will be.

I believe biasly, of course, I have a horse sense understanding of human nature, all be it, different from what others believe is human. I don’t like Donald Trump, as an individual, I’m stunned at his political behavior for the kind of human he is. I’ve grow to appreciate it and the outcomes of his political changes and his future political ambitions.

Is he honest in this political ambitions……. So far I like what he’s done or tried to do, and his claimed reasons for want to do it.

I will continue to support him politically until I learn differently about his political wants. I vote on my principle believes. I can not and will not vote for or against someone just to keep from a Party from winning or loose. I will always vote for the lesser of two evils however. At this time abortion drives my vote and it will until it is no longer legal.

In as much as I believe all people, certainly including politicians, are liars, and self preservationists, I see Trump as no different from any human and certainly do different than any other politician, I like his political ambitions more than anyone else, so far a long term change for our country.

I’ll let you know if I change my view of the world or my view of Trump if and when it happens. Without hesitation or remorse, as of today.

Know this, I can change my mind faster that a long range bullet.

As always, your return on investment by be different. Seems as it is.

eelgrass · Nov 30, 2022

2lumpy said:
’ll let you know if I change my view of the world or my view of Trump if and when it happens. Without hesitation or remorse, as of today.

That's where I'm at too.

Oneye has me convinced that Republicans suck, and Democrats will destroy what's left of America, so if I can get motivated to vote two years from now it will be for Trump again.

hossblur · Nov 30, 2022

Bluehair said:
I’ve said before I don’t think trump is a racist. He wouldn’t hesitate a second to bang women of any and all races. Sorta like Captain Kirk syndrome.

Again we disagree. He don't like the China women, just ask Mitch McConnell ?

hossblur · Nov 30, 2022

wetmule said:
Didn't Brandon eulogize his good friend and mentor Robert Byrd of KKK Grand Wizard/Super cyclops fame? I recall Barry hung out with some super sweet people - Louis Farrakhan, Rev Wright, Bernadine Dohrn & Bill Ayers to name a few

shhhhhhhhh. That was like centuries ago before the Democrats and Republicans had a meeting and decided that after 200 years of being slave owning, Jim Crow voting, racists, it was time to change jerseys and now it was the R turn. Don't say names like Robert Byrd an ACTUAL Klansman the Dems elected for decades and names half of west Virginia after. Don't point out J William Fullbright was a mentor to BOTH Clintons. Don't point out 72 times that "non racist" or bigot Al Sharpton was at the Whitehouse. Especially don't point out "the paper of record" and Lib Bible, the NY Times supported Nazis and Nazi propaganda. Don't point out the squad and it's anti semites that just got elected, YET AGAIN. No. Just say the orange man is a racist, despite a drop of ACTUAL evidence.

Then, while hiding in red Utah, where he never has to fear Lib policies taking hold, listen to @Oneye tell you how hard and rough it is.

Now he'll spin, dodge, roll, and say I told him to move. Or that MSNBC said orange man bad.

But the simple fact is, his claim to all this is Nick Fuentes, a dude not one person outside MSNBC knows of, and Kanye West, who the left has showered with awards, fame, attention and a career, yet now suddenly pretend he went to BYU and voted R for his whole life.

Oh, and David Duke. A Klansman. Same as Robert Byrd only different because Duke didn't get elected. Byrd did. By DEMOCRATS

eelgrass · Nov 30, 2022

We know who the racists are. They called the military when Latino's arrived at Martha's Vineyard.

2lumpy · Nov 30, 2022

eelgrass said:
We know who the racists are. They called the military when Latino's arrived at Martha's Vineyard.

Sure seems so…….. but men see what they want to see, so I suppose it never happened, at least in one of two universes.

Bluehair · Dec 1, 2022

Oohhhh….lets toss immigration in there with the racism discussion. Spicy.

Bluehair · Dec 1, 2022

hossblur said:
Again we disagree. He don't like the China women, just ask Mitch McConnell ?

And yet Melania has that asian eye thing going on.

While they tend a little to the trashy side, I have no quarrel with trumps taste in women.

Oneye · Dec 1, 2022

One Senator who introduced and passed legislation to help the Great Salt Lake and its wildlife(and hunters).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598396877233422345

Oneye · Dec 1, 2022

eelgrass said:
That's where I'm at too.

Oneye has me convinced that Republicans suck, and Democrats will destroy what's left of America, so if I can get motivated to vote two years from now it will be for Trump again.

Enjoy losing elections lol

Oneye · Dec 1, 2022

I’ll get back to some of the other nonsense here. Just don’t have time at the moment.

hossblur · Dec 3, 2022

Oneye said:
One Senator who introduced and passed legislation to help the Great Salt Lake and its wildlife(and hunters).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1598396877233422345

“I am thrilled the Senate unanimously passed my bill with Senator Romney, the Saline Lake Ecosystems in the Great Basin States Program Act,” said Congressman Blake Moore. “The Great Salt Lake and other saline lakes in the West are critical to our environment and industries. It is imperative that we take steps to preserve these precious resources, and I am grateful the Senate chose to support these efforts. Because this version differs slightly from my bill that passed the House in July, I look forward to working tirelessly to advance it through the House.”

Learn to read, and you'll see all those other gerrymandered, redneck, racist, bigots in Utah government are supporting the bill as well.

Oneye · Dec 4, 2022

hossblur said:
“I am thrilled the Senate unanimously passed my bill with Senator Romney, the Saline Lake Ecosystems in the Great Basin States Program Act,” said Congressman Blake Moore. “The Great Salt Lake and other saline lakes in the West are critical to our environment and industries. It is imperative that we take steps to preserve these precious resources, and I am grateful the Senate chose to support these efforts. Because this version differs slightly from my bill that passed the House in July, I look forward to working tirelessly to advance it through the House.”

Learn to read, and you'll see all those other gerrymandered, redneck, racist, bigots in Utah government are supporting the bill as well.

Who introduced and passed the bill? Romney and Moore. Romney can get enough support to pass things for the state of Utah. The other guy? Nah. Everyone hates him, and no one wants to work with an obstructionist, attention seeking POS. Also….believe I gave credit to every single one of Utah’s representatives for voting for the marriage bill…except the one attention seeking loser who wanted to grandstand. This is Romney and Moore introducing a beneficial peace of legislation for the state and it’s wildlife….the other Senator from the state WOULD NEVER.

But yeah….you’re right that the state is heavily gerrymandered and there’s plenty of ignorance here. I know…no fun to admit it or talk about it, but I don’t just ignore the nonsense sorry.

hossblur · Dec 4, 2022

Oneye said:
Who introduced and passed the bill? Romney and Moore. Romney can get enough support to pass things for the state of Utah. The other guy? Nah. Everyone hates him, and no one wants to work with an obstructionist, attention seeking POS. Also….believe I gave credit to every single one of Utah’s representatives for voting for the marriage bill…except the one attention seeking loser who wanted to grandstand. This is Romney and Moore introducing a beneficial peace of legislation for the state and it’s wildlife….the other Senator from the state WOULD NEVER.

But yeah….you’re right that the state is heavily gerrymandered and there’s plenty of ignorance here. I know…no fun to admit it or talk about it, but I don’t just ignore the nonsense sorry.

Ya?

When 50% of the state doesn't like you, you aren't exactly popular now are you. Which is pretty sad considering 70% of the state is Mormon, and he positions himself as the Great White Mormon.

Who was the congressman before Burgess? Why didn't he make this happen being how he represented the "good" non racist UTAHNS?

Poll: Should GOP Sen. Mitt Romney worry that half of Utah voters don’t want him to run for second term?

More Utahns than not approve of how Sen. Mitt Romney is doing his job, yet a little over half of voters in a new a poll don’t think he should run for reelection in 2024.

www.deseret.com

Oneye · Dec 5, 2022

hossblur said:
Ya?

When 50% of the state doesn't like you, you aren't exactly popular now are you. Which is pretty sad considering 70% of the state is Mormon, and he positions himself as the Great White Mormon.

These are better than Lee's numbers so.......If Romney runs again he's going to win. He'll win the general with a far higher % than Lee. The primary will be an uphill battle, but Romney still has a major chunk of Utah Republicans on his side (including in the legislature, oh and the Governor) There's a lot of Republicans sitting in your legislature and the current sitting Governor who are urging Mitt to run again. So he'll have way more backing than McMullin did from the local GOP. Reyes or Chaffetz or both may try running, but Mitt is still going to be the outsized favorite if he decides to run for a second term. Especially if both of them jump in. As the very same story indicates, these aren't numbers that are really worrying for him.

hossblur said:
Who was the congressman before Burgess? Why didn't he make this happen being how he represented the "good" non racist UTAHNS?

I'm not sure what your point here really is. Ben McAdams was a DINO if you want to talk about RINO's lol. The dude was a moderate Republican himself and positioned himself as such. Again....what exactly is your point here? And the Utah GOP and legislature must have been worried because they felt the need to gerrymander the hell out of the district to try and make sure it never happened again didn't they? I guess you like the fact that 35% of the states population and it's capital city are not represented in congress? Seems awfully anti-democratic of the legislature and yourself.

hossblur said:
Poll: Should GOP Sen. Mitt Romney worry that half of Utah voters don’t want him to run for second term?

More Utahns than not approve of how Sen. Mitt Romney is doing his job, yet a little over half of voters in a new a poll don’t think he should run for reelection in 2024.

www.deseret.com

Oneye · Dec 5, 2022

But here @hossblur I'd love for you to contend that this map is not horrific gerrymandering. Wanna talk about stealing elections? Look at this map. Just odd how all the districts spiral to Salt Lake County where the major Democrat voting base is isn't it? And then the 1st district eats up Summit county? Nah. This isn't cheating at all is it?

Oneye · Dec 5, 2022

Btw @hossblur Georgias Senate race?….just changed from toss up to “leans Democrat”. Keep nominating horrible candidates GOP. You’ll keep losing elections. So to whoever said I’ve convinced them to vote for Trump. Please do.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1599823858516647936

hossblur · Dec 5, 2022

@Oneye

Warnock has raised more money than any other federal candidate this election cycle, according to OpenSecrets data. Warnock’s campaign reported raising $150.5 million through Nov. 16, according to pre-runoff filings with the Federal Election Commission, three times the $58.3 million Walker’s campaign reported raising through the same period. Warnock also reported three times as much cash on hand – $29.7 million – heading into the final weeks of the runoff election.

Open secrets .org

$150.5 million to beat a "horrible" candidate??

As to Romney, I realize reading is not your strong suit, but the data says otherwise.

Oneye · Dec 5, 2022

hossblur said:
@Oneye

Warnock has raised more money than any other federal candidate this election cycle, according to OpenSecrets data. Warnock’s campaign reported raising $150.5 million through Nov. 16, according to pre-runoff filings with the Federal Election Commission, three times the $58.3 million Walker’s campaign reported raising through the same period. Warnock also reported three times as much cash on hand – $29.7 million – heading into the final weeks of the runoff election.

Open secrets .org

$150.5 million to beat a "horrible" candidate??

Georgia was a deeply red state not too long ago lol. You can try the money route here, but Warnock is going to win because he's someone who goes up and looks like he can be a decent Senator. The GOP's candidate says something more ridiculous every time he's at the mic. Anyway. I'd say that runoff is all but over. Every poll I've seen, and every dynamic of early votes says, Warnock has all the momentum here. It was neck and neck until the last week or so. Now Warnock is leading by 3-5 points in every poll.

hossblur said:
As to Romney, I realize reading is not your strong suit, but the data says otherwise.

Apparently it's not your strong suite. They're better than Lee's numbers, and the article also states it's not an indicator that he can't win in 2024. Those are just kind of expected numbers. Most Senators are under water across the nation in polls like this. Again, Cox and bunch of other prominent GOP candidates and legislature members are urging Romney to run again and he has their support. It matters. Maybe it's you who has a reading issue? The article you posted is a poll on whether they'd like him to run again as well, not whether they'd vote for him if he was on the ballot vs someone else. That matters as well. He's more popular than the other guy and that's just been the fact of the matter by every poll for the last 3 years. I know I know....he's not a rhetoric spewing extremist like some prefer, but he's done some things for the state, and not made a fool of himself to well reasoned people for these 4 years. Again, not a perfect Senator, but not a bad Senator either. I would give him a 2nd term. Then it's time to go.

hossblur · Dec 5, 2022

Oneye said:
Georgia was a deeply red state not too long ago lol. You can try the money route here, but Warnock is going to win because he's someone who goes up and looks like he can be a decent Senator. The GOP's candidate says something more ridiculous every time he's at the mic. Anyway. I'd say that runoff is all but over. Every poll I've seen, and every dynamic of early votes says, Warnock has all the momentum here. It was neck and neck until the last week or so. Now Warnock is leading by 3-5 points in every poll.

Apparently it's not your strong suite. They're better than Lee's numbers, and the article also states it's not an indicator that he can't win in 2024. Those are just kind of expected numbers. Most Senators are under water across the nation in polls like this. Again, Cox and bunch of other prominent GOP candidates and legislature members are urging Romney to run again and he has their support. It matters. Maybe it's you who has a reading issue? The article you posted is a poll on whether they'd like him to run again as well, not whether they'd vote for him if he was on the ballot vs someone else. That matters as well. He's more popular than the other guy and that's just been the fact of the matter by every poll for the last 3 years. I know I know....he's not a rhetoric spewing extremist like some prefer, but he's done some things for the state, and not made a fool of himself to well reasoned people for these 4 years. Again, not a perfect Senator, but not a bad Senator either. I would give him a 2nd term. Then it's time to go.

Of course you would. You prefer dudes who support Liz Cheney and Lisa Murkowski.

It's not shocking a guy who badmouths his state, is a fan of a carpetbagger.

Oneye · Dec 5, 2022

hossblur said:
Of course you would. You prefer dudes who support Liz Cheney and Lisa Murkowski.

I prefer dudes who get things done and don't propose tearing up the constitution just so he can be placed in as dictator. Which is exactly what he would be if he got the chance. Imagine being the party who demonizes Cheney and Romney.....and is then bowing at the alter to a guy who is a wanna-be dictator, who says the stupidest **** he possibly can at every turn and still remains prominent in your party. (I know you don't like Trump, but he's very much the main nominee and latest former President of the GOP and has a tight hold on about 30-35% of your parties base)

hossblur said:
It's not shocking a guy who badmouths his state, is a fan of a carpetbagger.

I'm not surprised someone whos a white, conservative from one of the whitest most conservative echo chambers in America holds the views you do. Have fun losing elections. You deserve it.

hossblur · Dec 5, 2022

Oneye said:
I prefer dudes who get things done and don't propose tearing up the constitution just so he can be placed in as dictator. Which is exactly what he would be if he got the chance. Imagine being the party who demonizes Cheney and Romney.....and is then bowing at the alter to a guy who is a wanna-be dictator, who says the stupidest **** he possibly can at every turn and still remains prominent in your party. (I know you don't like Trump, but he's very much the main nominee and latest former President of the GOP and has a tight hold on about 30-35% of your parties base)

I'm not surprised someone whos a white, conservative from one of the whitest most conservative echo chambers in America holds the views you do. Have fun losing elections. You deserve it.

Imagine being so stricken with TDS, you bend the knee to a Cheney.
Cheney's. Responsible for more dead and damaged military members than anyone in gov for 50 years.

Also Cheney's. Of Haliburton fame. You know, the evil oil folks and war profiteers.

I missed your hand wringing about "our democracy" or constitution when the D were attempting a coup of a rightfully elected President.

Funny how "constitutional" you libs get, as long as it doesn't involve following it.

But what do I know. Your great Lib leader already said 70million of us are enemies of the state. Thank God, the Mittster stood up for us. Oh, wait. He didn't? Well he did get invited to the Xmas party, so that's important

Oneye · Dec 5, 2022

hossblur said:
Imagine being so stricken with TDS, you bend the knee to a Cheney.
Cheney's. Responsible for more dead and damaged military members than anyone in gov for 50 years.

I'm not bending any knee to Cheney lol. But her over the other dude? Yeah....100%.

hossblur said:
Also Cheney's. Of Haliburton fame. You know, the evil oil folks and war profiteers.

Yeah I know, I disagree with much of her stance on a variety of things. There's things as American's we can't disagree on though. And DT has crossed that line many times.

hossblur said:
I missed your hand wringing about "our democracy" or constitution when the D were attempting a coup of a rightfully elected President.

This didn't happen. But sure. Tell yourself it did. When you can show me Obama or Biden lead a fully on insurrection or proposed throwing away the constitution so they could remain President. Then we shall talk. Spouting off nonsense about the 2020 election until 2024 and saying he should be reinstated as dictator should really work well for the GOP. Have fun losing Georgia. Oh and when will Kari Lake be Governor of AZ? Oh that's right never....no matter how in denial GOP nut-jobs are.

hossblur said:
Funny how "constitutional" you libs get, as long as it doesn't involve following it.

The GOP is the party that'll throw their support behind the guy who right out said throw it away for his power, if he's their nominee huh?

hossblur said:
But what do I know. Your great Lib leader already said 70million of us are enemies of the state. Thank God, the Mittster stood up for us. Oh, wait. He didn't? Well he did get invited to the Xmas party, so that's important

He didn't say that. In fact Biden has said multiple times most Republicans are good people he has political disagreements with. It's that whole extremist maga portion of the base that people are alienated from.....which you seem more and more hell bent on likening yourself to and defending.

hossblur · Dec 5, 2022

Oneye said:
I'm not bending any knee to Cheney lol. But her over the other dude? Yeah....100%.

Yeah I know, I disagree with much of her stance on a variety of things. There's things as American's we can't disagree on though. And DT has crossed that line many times.

This didn't happen. But sure. Tell yourself it did. When you can show me Obama or Biden lead a fully on insurrection or proposed throwing away the constitution so they could remain President. Then we shall talk. Spouting off nonsense about the 2020 election until 2024 and saying he should be reinstated as dictator should really work well for the GOP. Have fun losing Georgia. Oh and when will Kari Lake be Governor of AZ? Oh that's right never....no matter how in denial GOP nut-jobs are.

The GOP is the party that'll throw their support behind the guy who right out said throw it away for his power, if he's their nominee huh?

He didn't say that. In fact Biden has said multiple times most Republicans are good people he has political disagreements with. It's that whole extremist maga portion of the base that people are alienated from.....which you seem more and more hell bent on likening yourself to and defending.

It DID HAPPEN. I know, Russiagate sucks, but IT DID HAPPEN.

Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic,” Biden said.

In a remarkable turn, the president of the United States was identifying his predecessor and his followers — a group that arguably includes millions of U.S. citizens — as the gravest threat to the stability of the 246-year American experiment. Not since the Civil War has an American president issued such a stark warning about the behavior and menace posed by fellow Americans

Yes, I know, misquoted by the Wash Post I'm sure.

MAGA. Make America Great Again. 70 million votes for him, and that. Feel free to spin, I'd expect no less

Oneye · Dec 6, 2022

hossblur said:
It DID HAPPEN. I know, Russiagate sucks, but IT DID HAPPEN.

No….actually it didn’t.

hossblur said:
Donald Trump and the MAGA Republicans represent an extremism that threatens the very foundations of our republic,” Biden said.

Yes. And they do. What you’re ignoring is his direct quote after that saying “most Republicans are good people I just disagree with on some things”. When exactly has Donald Trump…..or even YOU for that matter matter been able to utter those words?

hossblur said:
In a remarkable turn, the president of the United States was identifying his predecessor and his followers — a group that arguably includes millions of U.S. citizens — as the gravest threat to the stability of the 246-year American experiment. Not since the Civil War has an American president issued such a stark warning about the behavior and menace posed by fellow Americans

Sorry. But I would agree with him about the MAGA base of election deniers, racists, bigots, etc. that make up a % of the GOP base. He said that’s who he was referring to. He said most Republicans are reasonable and good people. You’re 100% cherry picking what he said for your own political motive. He point blank, flatly stated that the majority of Republicans…are good people….and he’s said that multiple times during his Presidency. Did Donald Trump utter those words about Democrats or people who didn’t vote for him during his Presidency? PS Trump proves him more and more right every rant filled day on his social platform ranting nonsense. Sorry hoss, but the party/people (MAGA morons) claiming elections are only legitimate if they win, and we should throw out the constitution and install a wanna be dictator back to power….are a far larger threat to the countries future. And an actual legitimate one than a President calling out the extremist factions within your political brand…that he’s right about by the way. So keep deflecting the fact your guy wants to tear up the constitution and play dictator, and you have election denying morons who can’t accept defeat. Enjoy losing, go the way of MAGA I don’t care. You’ll enjoy L after L after L. Good luck.

hossblur said:
Yes, I know, misquoted by the Wash Post I'm sure.

There’s video proof hoss. He’s said most Republicans are good people multiple times. You just wanna conveniently ignore that for your own brand of divisive political (lying) BS. He literally states in that speech in the same paragraph…. “I wanna be clear, I’m not talking about the majority of Republicans”.

hossblur said:
MAGA. Make America Great Again. 70 million votes for him, and that. Feel free to spin, I'd expect no less

70 million votes aren’t an endorsement of everything he does lol. How many people voted for Joe Biden? Does that mean every Joe Biden voter supports him equally? Millions of those people filled out a bubble for a guy they actually really don’t like that much. You’re being totally bad faith in your argument here. You’re just flat out lying for your own brand of political bulls***.

hossblur · Dec 6, 2022

Oneye said:
No….actually it didn’t.

Yes. And they do. What you’re ignoring is his direct quote after that saying “most Republicans are good people I just disagree with on some things”. When exactly has Donald Trump…..or even YOU for that matter matter been able to utter those words?

Sorry. But I would agree with him about the MAGA base of election deniers, racists, bigots, etc. that make up a % of the GOP base. He said that’s who he was referring to. He said most Republicans are reasonable and good people. You’re 100% cherry picking what he said for your own political motive. He point blank, flatly stated that the majority of Republicans…are good people….and he’s said that multiple times during his Presidency. Did Donald Trump utter those words about Democrats or people who didn’t vote for him during his Presidency? PS Trump proves him more and more right every rant filled day on his social platform ranting nonsense. Sorry hoss, but the party/people (MAGA morons) claiming elections are only legitimate if they win, and we should throw out the constitution and install a wanna be dictator back to power….are a far larger threat to the countries future. And an actual legitimate one than a President calling out the extremist factions within your political brand…that he’s right about by the way. So keep deflecting the fact your guy wants to tear up the constitution and play dictator, and you have election denying morons who can’t accept defeat. Enjoy losing, go the way of MAGA I don’t care. You’ll enjoy L after L after L. Good luck.

There’s video proof hoss. He’s said most Republicans are good people multiple times. You just wanna conveniently ignore that for your own brand of divisive political (lying) BS. He literally states in that speech in the same paragraph…. “I wanna be clear, I’m not talking about the majority of Republicans”.

70 million votes aren’t an endorsement of everything he does lol. How many people voted for Joe Biden? Does that mean every Joe Biden voter supports him equally? Millions of those people filled out a bubble for a guy they actually really don’t like that much. You’re being totally bad faith in your argument here. You’re just flat out lying for your own brand of political bulls***.

You'll need to actually post something other than your opinion.

Russia gate did happen. Otherwise, Trump would have been removed from office. Spin all day, but your inability to read, doesn't change it.

"MAGA republicans" is the DNC attempt to take "make America great again" that propelled Trump to victory, and try to rebrand it.

But I agree. Biden loves Romney, Murkowski, Collins, Cheney. He loves the country club, in name only R. So sure, there are some good Republicans in his opinion. The ones who vote D continuously.

He doesn't like the Trump supporters. The gun owners. The folks who go to school boards. Which account for most of not all R. We caught EXACTLY what he said. And it's not the first time he said it.

And lastly.

You libs love that "tear up the constitution" line.

But, of course, you love to also skip the WHY.

Why is he pissed? 12% of Bidens voters wouldn't have voted for him had they known about the laptop. The MSM and tech fully censored that.

There was a ticker tape of deaths via Covid, until Jan 7.

Russiagate. Ukrainian "whistleblower",.

He's pissed because the media, 100% became DNC propagandandists. He's pissed because the tech companies openly colluded. He's pissed because he watched the constitutionally protected media, become the DNC PR team.

Unfortunately for you and your lib friends, Musk, a non R, now has the receipts. And he's given them to to non R reporters.

We are soon to find out just how bad, and how deep the cancer is on the lib side. And it's going to be deep.

But honestly, he's not my guy. Hasn't been since 2016. Feel free to use that search bar.

I, am just sitting back, laughing hysterically at the libs embracing Cheney's and Romneys. I'm going to spit out laughing when the house dumps a bunch of D bigots out of their committee seats. And the topping, Biden announcing his Presidencial campaign. Can't wait to see all the"young, progressives" supporting an octogenarian.

I love watching libs facepalm. Been great watching lib cities without police forces. Fun watching them destroy feminism and woman power with the trans chit. I REALLY ENJOYED Biden being a strike buster last week.

Oneye · Dec 6, 2022

hossblur said:
You'll need to actually post something other than your opinion.

Russia gate did happen. Otherwise, Trump would have been removed from office. Spin all day, but your inability to read, doesn't change it.

"MAGA republicans" is the DNC attempt to take "make America great again" that propelled Trump to victory, and try to rebrand it.

Nope. MAGA Republicans are what they are.

hossblur said:
But I agree. Biden loves Romney, Murkowski, Collins, Cheney. He loves the country club, in name only R. So sure, there are some good Republicans in his opinion. The ones who vote D continuously.

He actually specifically said "the majority of Republicans are good people and aren't MAGA R's" He's right about that too. Now quote Trump saying anything anywhere near similar to that about Democrats. You don't find it.

hossblur said:
He doesn't like the Trump supporters. The gun owners. The folks who go to school boards. Which account for most of not all R. We caught EXACTLY what he said. And it's not the first time he said it.

No. He doesn't like the nut jobs, just like most Americans don't.

hossblur said:
And lastly.

You libs love that "tear up the constitution" line.

But, of course, you love to also skip the WHY.

There's no good reason to tear up the constitution. Maybe your parties guy shouldn't be spouting that kind of nonsense. Maybe that?

hossblur said:
Why is he pissed? 12% of Bidens voters wouldn't have voted for him had they known about the laptop. The MSM and tech fully censored that.

Lol. Why don't you prove this. Hell of a claim.

hossblur said:
There was a ticker tape of deaths via Covid, until Jan 7.

Russiagate. Ukrainian "whistleblower",.

He's pissed because the media, 100% became DNC propagandandists. He's pissed because the tech companies openly colluded. He's pissed because he watched the constitutionally protected media, become the DNC PR team.

Blame, blame, blame, blame, blame....everyone but himself. Okay. Actually he blames no one. He won the election, just ask him. He wants the constitution torn up and him reinstated as dictator.

hossblur said:
Unfortunately for you and your lib friends, Musk, a non R, now has the receipts. And he's given them to to non R reporters.

And Republicans will lose another Senate seat tonight in a state that was deeply red.

hossblur said:
We are soon to find out just how bad, and how deep the cancer is on the lib side. And it's going to be deep.

People are not naïve to the fact major media outlets are bias. All of that has dropped. Guess who's gonna win the Georgian Senate race tonight?

hossblur said:
But honestly, he's not my guy. Hasn't been since 2016. Feel free to use that search bar.

I know, but he's the most prominent guy in your party and the only current nominee for President in 2024 of your party.

hossblur said:
I, am just sitting back, laughing hysterically at the libs embracing Cheney's and Romneys. I'm going to spit out laughing when the house dumps a bunch of D bigots out of their committee seats. And the topping, Biden announcing his Presidencial campaign. Can't wait to see all the"young, progressives" supporting an octogenarian.

Backing isn't he right word. Libs aren't voting for them. But denying elections vs accepting them, is a common sense place most American's will land.

hossblur said:
I love watching libs facepalm. Been great watching lib cities without police forces. Fun watching them destroy feminism and woman power with the trans chit. I REALLY ENJOYED Biden being a strike buster last week.

How's it been watching libs win elections and Republicans lose them even with every beneficial wind at their back? You get to watch another one of those in a couple more hours.

Btw hoss did you notice who's hands the law enforcement officers who got awards for Jan. 6 shook hands with today vs the two guys they refused to shake hands with? Weird......I guess not all law enforcement officers want to shake hands with the GOP either. Wild how law enforcement officers who had to deal with Jan. 6th don't care to shake the hands with the leaders of the party who bowed at the dudes feet who caused it huh?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1600162425432641536

hossblur · Dec 6, 2022

Oneye said:
Nope. MAGA Republicans are what they are.

He actually specifically said "the majority of Republicans are good people and aren't MAGA R's" He's right about that too. Now quote Trump saying anything anywhere near similar to that about Democrats. You don't find it.

No. He doesn't like the nut jobs, just like most Americans don't.

There's no good reason to tear up the constitution. Maybe your parties guy shouldn't be spouting that kind of nonsense. Maybe that?

Lol. Why don't you prove this. Hell of a claim.

Blame, blame, blame, blame, blame....everyone but himself. Okay. Actually he blames no one. He won the election, just ask him. He wants the constitution torn up and him reinstated as dictator.

And Republicans will lose another Senate seat tonight in a state that was deeply red.

People are not naïve to the fact major media outlets are bias. All of that has dropped. Guess who's gonna win the Georgian Senate race tonight?

I know, but he's the most prominent guy in your party and the only current nominee for President in 2024 of your party.

Backing isn't he right word. Libs aren't voting for them. But denying elections vs accepting them, is a common sense place most American's will land.

How's it been watching libs win elections and Republicans lose them even with every beneficial wind at their back? You get to watch another one of those in a couple more hours.

Btw hoss did you notice who's hands the law enforcement officers who got awards for Jan. 6 shook hands with today vs the two guys they refused to shake hands with? Weird......I guess not all law enforcement officers want to shake hands with the GOP either. Wild how law enforcement officers who had to deal with Jan. 6th don't care to shake the hands with the leaders of the party who bowed at the dudes feet who caused it huh?

https://twitter.com/x/status/1600162425432641536

I didn't. Mainly because unlike you, I'm not glued to lib propaganda. But I'm sure, you will gladly post up those stats of who the police unions(libs are pro union), police orgs, police chiefs assoc supported in elections. Right??

"My party".

I'll be damned. Your 3000 posts about Mike Lee you claimed to be an R. Imagine the shock of no one, to hear otherwise. But since we live in a binary republic. Since the R are "my party", you are the, a D.

We will lose Georgia for a single reason. Walker like to hang way, dumb women. And since R actually have standards, and believe in holding their candidates to them, I'll bet 60+ % of R will just sit it out.

Unlike YOUR party, who elected a aDimentia patient President. I stroke sufferer who cannot understand spoken words as a senator, and an ACTUAL DEAD GUY, in Pennsylvania.

R, and more specifically conservative libertarian types, like myself, WANT TO HE LEFT ALONE. We aren't members of the religion of liberalism which worships at the church of DC.

I haven't lost any election. From Gov to dig catcher, my state is DARK RED. I, unlike the libs you represent, vote only in Utah.

And unlike YOU. I didn't vote for McMullin as a liberal because he was closer to a D than Lee. The D in Wyoming being Cheney's only voter base being the same.

I voted for McMullin because I dislike Lee's public land stance.

You voted for him like the rest of the libs, because you have zero principles, and like the folks in Pennsylvania, would literally VOTE IN A DEAD GUY if he wore your team jersey

HikeHunt61 · Dec 6, 2022

Oneye said:
But I would agree with him about the MAGA base of election deniers, racists, bigots, etc. that make up a % of the GOP base. He said that’s who he was referring to. He said most Republicans are reasonable and good people. He point blank, flatly stated that the majority of Republicans…are good people….and he’s said that multiple times during his Presidency.

Oneye said:
He’s said most Republicans are good people multiple times. You just wanna conveniently ignore that for your own brand of divisive political (lying) BS. He literally states in that speech in the same paragraph…. “I wanna be clear, I’m not talking about the majority of Republicans”.

Oneye- I know many "MAGA" republicans. I guarantee that nobody I hang with is a racist or bigot. I would agree most MAGA types believe the election was "stolen". Clearly, that is where I disagree with them.

But you show your true colors when you state that anyone who wants Trump as president is a racist and a bigot. Shame on you, and the President, for being so classless. Not much better than Trump himself I'd say...

Oneye · Dec 6, 2022

hossblur said:
I didn't. Mainly because unlike you, I'm not glued to lib propaganda. But I'm sure, you will gladly post up those stats of who the police unions(libs are pro union), police orgs, police chiefs assoc supported in elections. Right??

You're right you're glued to GOP propaganda and that's obvious lol. You have your own echo chamber problem friend.

hossblur said:
"My party".

I'll be damned. Your 3000 posts about Mike Lee you claimed to be an R. Imagine the shock of no one, to hear otherwise. But since we live in a binary republic. Since the R are "my party", you are the, a D.

I am a registered Republican, and have been my entire life. On issues of social and environmental, I've definitely moderated in a major way. Used to be all the way over there with you when I first started voting. Then I got out of that echo chamber and opened my mind to being wrong about some things.

hossblur said:
We will lose Georgia for a single reason. Walker like to hang way, dumb women. And since R actually have standards, and believe in holding their candidates to them, I'll bet 60+ % of R will just sit it out.

Walker is a horrible candidate. I agree. That's my overall point. The country needs a competent Republican party as a check and balance, and they just aren't. They are the part of clowns the last 6 years.

hossblur said:
Unlike YOUR party, who elected a aDimentia patient President. I stroke sufferer who cannot understand spoken words as a senator, and an ACTUAL DEAD GUY, in Pennsylvania.

You're right. Sad that your party is so bad that those candidates can still beat them right? Dems don't need better candidates. They have Republican incompetence they can count and nominating clowns as candidates.

hossblur said:
R, and more specifically conservative libertarian types, like myself, WANT TO HE LEFT ALONE. We aren't members of the religion of liberalism which worships at the church of DC.

We share a common society. Everyone wants to be left alone.

hossblur said:
I haven't lost any election. From Gov to dig catcher, my state is DARK RED. I, unlike the libs you represent, vote only in Utah.

Laughable stuff here.

hossblur said:
And unlike YOU. I didn't vote for McMullin as a liberal because he was closer to a D than Lee. The D in Wyoming being Cheney's only voter base being the same.

I voted for McMullin for two reasons. He accepts the outcome of legitimate elections and doesn't advocate trying to steal them. And Lee's anti-public land nonsense. McMullin was most certainly more conservative than I'd like.

hossblur said:
I voted for McMullin because I dislike Lee's public land stance.

Same. My distaste for Lee was my motive, not my like for McMullin.

hossblur said:
You voted for him like the rest of the libs, because you have zero principles, and like the folks in Pennsylvania, would literally VOTE IN A DEAD GUY if he wore your team jersey

Again, just stupid nonsense here. Rant on. PS grow up.

Oneye · Dec 6, 2022

HikeHunt61 said:
Oneye- I know many "MAGA" republicans. I guarantee that nobody I hang with is a racist or bigot. I would agree most MAGA types believe the election was "stolen". Clearly, that is where I disagree with them.

Yes.

HikeHunt61 said:
But you show your true colors when you state that anyone who wants Trump as president is a racist and a bigot. Shame on you, and the President, for being so classless. Not much better than Trump himself I'd say...

I never said that. But keep reeeeeeeaching. I said Trumps main base, of full on MAGA Republicans fit the bill I laid out. It IS NOT a majority of people who would/have voted for Donald Trump. Why can't you people read and comprehend that? You can't comprehend it when I say it. You can't comprehend it when Biden said it. I'M NOT POINTING AT EVERY PERSON WHO HAS VOTED FOR TRUMP I'M POINTING AT HIS BASE THAT BLINDLY SUPPORT EVERYTHING HE DOES. Can you read that? Shame on you for trying to put words in my mouth.

Oneye · Dec 6, 2022

Btw I know some in this thread knocked Cox a lot. Still at a 63% approval rating and improving.

Poll: Gov. Spencer Cox’s approval rating is inching up

Gov. Spencer Cox finds more support among “moderately liberal” voters than any other political ideology, according to the latest Deseret News/Hinkley Institute of Politics poll.

www.deseret.com

HikeHunt61 · Dec 6, 2022

Oneye said:
Yes.

I never said that. But keep reeeeeeeaching. I said Trumps main base, of full on MAGA Republicans fit the bill I laid out. It IS NOT a majority of people who would/have voted for Donald Trump. Why can't you people read and comprehend that? You can't comprehend it when I say it. You can't comprehend it when Biden said it. I'M NOT POINTING AT EVERY PERSON WHO HAS VOTED FOR TRUMP I'M POINTING AT HIS BASE THAT BLINDLY SUPPORT EVERYTHING HE DOES. Can you read that? Shame on you for trying to put words in my mouth.

Great use of CAPS Oneye. My reading comprehension is just fine though.....

Oneye · Dec 6, 2022

And......as I said. Dave is the best of the best. Dives deep into results, and doesn't call things unless he's very very confident.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1600317857081872384

Oneye · Dec 6, 2022

HikeHunt61 said:
Great use of CAPS Oneye. My reading comprehension is just fine though.....

Apparently not. Figured I better capitalize it because because you, just like @hossblur wanna cherry pick what you want out of what someone says.

Oneye · Dec 6, 2022

Uh oh….you mean even after the weeks of focusing on Hunter Biden’s laptop????!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1600323570269233152

hossblur · Dec 6, 2022

Oneye said:
You're right you're glued to GOP propaganda and that's obvious lol. You have your own echo chamber problem friend.

I am a registered Republican, and have been my entire life. On issues of social and environmental, I've definitely moderated in a major way. Used to be all the way over there with you when I first started voting. Then I got out of that echo chamber and opened my mind to being wrong about some things.

Walker is a horrible candidate. I agree. That's my overall point. The country needs a competent Republican party as a check and balance, and they just aren't. They are the part of clowns the last 6 years.

You're right. Sad that your party is so bad that those candidates can still beat them right? Dems don't need better candidates. They have Republican incompetence they can count and nominating clowns as candidates.

We share a common society. Everyone wants to be left alone.

Laughable stuff here.

I voted for McMullin for two reasons. He accepts the outcome of legitimate elections and doesn't advocate trying to steal them. And Lee's anti-public land nonsense. McMullin was most certainly more conservative than I'd like.

Same. My distaste for Lee was my motive, not my like for McMullin.

Again, just stupid nonsense here. Rant on. PS grow up.

Do a search.

I'm a registered I. Have been for over a decade.

Spent a lot of time in here trying to get others to do the same.

But carry on with what you think you know, vs what most dudes in here DO KNOW.

Continue on though, lots of us are laughing at your dumbassery, weve been here a long time, and know better

hossblur · Dec 6, 2022

Oneye said:
Uh oh….you mean even after the weeks of focusing on Hunter Biden’s laptop????!!!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1600323570269233152

An incumbent senator winning an election.

Only happens about 90% of the time. I for one am shocked ?

HikeHunt61 · Dec 6, 2022

Oneye said:
Apparently not. Figured I better capitalize it because because you, just like @hossblur wanna cherry pick what you want out of what someone says.

Oneye, when you try, you make good points. But you have resorted to broad, classless name calling, and apparently don't want to own up to it. You can capitalize all you want, you can claim cherry picking, but your words are what they are dude.

Oneye · Dec 6, 2022

hossblur said:
An incumbent senator winning an election.

Only happens about 90% of the time. I for one am shocked ?

In this political climate? Come on hoss, just admit it’s another horrible Trump backed GOP candidate that deserved to lose. Guys like Walker/Owens are a slap in the face to black voters. Georgia is a fairly red state, who just had a Dem relatively easily beat the GOP candidate when Biden has a horrible approval rating. Apparently the GOP’s approval rating is worse. Btw…McConnell fought pretty damn hard for Walker not to be the R in this race. Trump pushed it.

hossblur said:
Do a search.

I'm a registered I. Have been for over a decade.

Spent a lot of time in here trying to get others to do the same.

There we agree. If Utah GOP primaries weren’t closed primaries. I’d also be registered as an Independent. I may do it anyway soon. I registered as Republican when I was 18 and haven’t changed it. At some point I also will.

hossblur said:
But carry on with what you think you know, vs what most dudes in here DO KNOW.

You speak for yourselves.

hossblur said:
Continue on though, lots of us are laughing at your dumbassery, weve been here a long time, and know better

I’ll laugh my way all the way to a 51-49 Senate and an “I told you so”. It’s gonna get worse if the GOP can’t come to its senses. It’s not that I don’t like some conservative policies or agree with them. I hate the clown show that is the GOP since 2015.

Oneye · Dec 6, 2022

HikeHunt61 said:
Oneye, when you try, you make good points. But you have resorted to broad, classless name calling, and apparently don't want to own up to it. You can capitalize all you want, you can claim cherry picking, but your words are what they are dude.

I’m past the point in this thread with a handful of folks here at making points. The results speak for themselves. Stop nominating jokes and clowns as candidates. Stop denying elections, walk away from Trump, and I’ll have some more respect. Several here are still very much in line with those things, and I don’t respect it. A competent GOP is good for the country. Democrats need a check and balance. But one side is out of touch. The other side…is currently out of its mind. I won’t be respectful to election denying, delusional nonsense. I’ll just watch those results continue until those people wake up.

Oneye · Dec 6, 2022

I’ll state this really plainly. Democrats are not good. They are not good at what they’re doing. They’re not in touch with Americans. THEY ARE NOT seen as the nut job party and that says more about the party that is.

Oneye · Dec 6, 2022

Agreed

hossblur · Dec 7, 2022

Oneye said:
In this political climate? Come on hoss, just admit it’s another horrible Trump backed GOP candidate that deserved to lose. Guys like Walker/Owens are a slap in the face to black voters. Georgia is a fairly red state, who just had a Dem relatively easily beat the GOP candidate when Biden has a horrible approval rating. Apparently the GOP’s approval rating is worse. Btw…McConnell fought pretty damn hard for Walker not to be the R in this race. Trump pushed it.

There we agree. If Utah GOP primaries weren’t closed primaries. I’d also be registered as an Independent. I may do it anyway soon. I registered as Republican when I was 18 and haven’t changed it. At some point I also will.

You speak for yourselves.

I’ll laugh my way all the way to a 51-49 Senate and an “I told you so”. It’s gonna get worse if the GOP can’t come to its senses. It’s not that I don’t like some conservative policies or agree with them. I hate the clown show that is the GOP since 2015.

Who should the R "let chose" candidates? Honestly. McConnell? McConnell backed Murkowski. McConnell is EXACTLY what conservatives detest. A backroom dealing, loyal to $$, power, country in that order.

Romney? We got enough country clubers.

The Bush's? Cheney's?

Trump's sways power BECAUSE HE WON. Pretty simple concept. Winners, as you point out, get to set agendas and pass legislation.

Romney choking in his run for President, meant Obama set agenda and dictated power. Romney choking "gracefully" got the conservatives who backed him ZERO. And let's not forget, Romney backed and financed McMullin for President. Meaning Romney, has lost 2 Presidencies.

Further. We gave the establishment R the power. McConnell and Ryan didn't NOTHING with that power. Obamacare stayed. Abortion remained. The border was open. Spending was out of control.

We elected Bush, and got open borders, endless wars, out of control spending, and THE PATRIOT ACT.

Trump, like it or not, was closing the border, and like it or not, ended Roe.

Meaning, like it or not, his legacy, will be the most conservative ACCOMPLISHING president in 40 years, and among the most ever.

And further. Trump could die tomorrow and whoever the R is, will suddenly become a stooge for Russia, a flaming racist, a white supremacist(even if he's black, just ask Larry Elder), evil, desiring to kill grandma. That same candidate knows, he's not just fighting the D candidate, but also all of TV media, all of print media, all of tech, all of the deep state, the entirety of the global elite.

The D, he may remain in his basement, do one town hall, and know, the machine will take care of him. As Fetterman showed this election, and Biden the last.

The only "advantage" the R has is liberal government eventually makes life so miserable and things so bad, that folks might seek a change. I had hoped things were bad enough this election. I guess not. So now we will really get to suffer for a few more years. And suffer we will. More crime. More overdoses. More inflation. And, most likely, YOUR kids will get to see something YOU didn't. A world war, in either Russia or Taiwan.

But hey. Orange man being bad, makes it all better?

Bluehair · Dec 7, 2022

I completely disagree with your assessment of trump’s legacy. Like it or not, history will be written so that he will always be remembered as a fraud and a crackpot. And definitely a loser.

The fact is that whichever party is chosen to lead will have won by a coalition of voters. The two parties are going in opposite directions in terms of putting together a winning coalition. All because of trump.

But at least the Republicans can stand on principle while the democrats piss down our backs

Govern or be governed. Learn to live with your choices.

Bluehair · Dec 7, 2022

Oneye said:
In this political climate? Come on hoss, just admit it’s another horrible Trump backed GOP candidate that deserved to lose. Guys like Walker/Owens are a slap in the face to black voters. Georgia is a fairly red state, who just had a Dem relatively easily beat the GOP candidate when Biden has a horrible approval rating. Apparently the GOP’s approval rating is worse. Btw…McConnell fought pretty damn hard for Walker not to be the R in this race. Trump pushed it.

There we agree. If Utah GOP primaries weren’t closed primaries. I’d also be registered as an Independent. I may do it anyway soon. I registered as Republican when I was 18 and haven’t changed it. At some point I also will.

You speak for yourselves.

I’ll laugh my way all the way to a 51-49 Senate and an “I told you so”. It’s gonna get worse if the GOP can’t come to its senses. It’s not that I don’t like some conservative policies or agree with them. I hate the clown show that is the GOP since 2015.

This senate loss will be a bigger deal than people think.

Manchin (and maybe Sinema) have been more reliable conservatives than some of the republicans. They just became much less useful to the republicans.

Thank goodness we won the House.

HikeHunt61 · Dec 7, 2022

Judicial appointments will become easier with the 51 vote majority. But with the House in R hands, hopefully the massive new spending bills will be tempered.

hossblur · Dec 7, 2022

Bluehair said:
I completely disagree with your assessment of trump’s legacy. Like it or not, history will be written so that he will always be remembered as a fraud and a crackpot. And definitely a loser.

The fact is that whichever party is chosen to lead will have won by a coalition of voters. The two parties are going in opposite directions in terms of putting together a winning coalition. All because of trump.

But at least the Republicans can stand on principle while the democrats piss down our backs

Govern or be governed. Learn to live with your choices.

All because of Trump.

I know you are old enough to remember 2016.

The "winning coalition" the establishment put together was Jeb Bush v Hillary. In which Hillary would win, Bush would lose with grace and class.

So ya. Trump screwed that up. He got a pile of folks who had long ago given up on the R to come to the polls, and,as we saw, the annointed Presidency of Clinton, went down in flames.

And, along with it went the lifetime dreams and asperations of the establishment in both R and D.

Then, same as it did when the tea party rose up, the establishment R, lead by MConnell and Ryan, made sure that the Trump uprising and it's agenda, were suppressed.

Despite dozens of meaningless votes to end Obamacare, the establishment hero, McCain cast the deciding vote to not end it.

Despite decades of border talk, the R establishment lead by Ryan and McConnell, did absolutely nothing to make it happen.

So, conservatives are now left with the choice of winning elections to lose policy and agenda with fake, or Rino candidates.

Or take a wildcard **** with folks who will support the agenda R claim to, yet don't do.

Either way they lose.

Some guys are happy being the 12th dude on the bench. They like the bus rides, the attention, being able to claim they are part of the team, despite never getting in the game(Romney, Murkowski, Collins, Graham).

Some guys would rather play and lose.

Trump's been Trump since the libs loved him in the 80's.

The check pant, country club R are the same since then too

Oneye · Dec 7, 2022

hossblur said:
Who should the R "let chose" candidates? Honestly. McConnell? McConnell backed Murkowski. McConnell is EXACTLY what conservatives detest. A backroom dealing, loyal to $$, power, country in that order.

Mitch would have won the Senate race in Georgia if he got his way on the primary candidate. But sure…detest.

hossblur said:
Romney? We got enough country clubers.

Also would have won that election last night.

hossblur said:
The Bush's? Cheney's?

Don’t care about them tbh.

hossblur said:
Trump's sways power BECAUSE HE WON. Pretty simple concept. Winners, as you point out, get to set agendas and pass legislation.

He won one election…and has lost you all the rest lol. He’s not a winner. He lost to a half dead Joe Biden and most his candidates are losing in very winnable situations. Trump….is a historic loser that made Joe Biden’s midterms, historically good for the party in power.

hossblur said:
Romney choking in his run for President, meant Obama set agenda and dictated power. Romney choking "gracefully" got the conservatives who backed him ZERO. And let's not forget, Romney backed and financed McMullin for President. Meaning Romney, has lost 2 Presidencies.

Obama would have beat Trump too…it wasn’t choking…it was the fact Romney was up against a one of the best politicians of all time, and Trump was up against one of the most hated. And lol on the 2nd part. Like I said, you’re not in for a good faith convo. So why give you one?

hossblur said:
Further. We gave the establishment R the power. McConnell and Ryan didn't NOTHING with that power. Obamacare stayed. Abortion remained. The border was open. Spending was out of control.

McConnell blocked the Supreme Court spot in an election that everyone thought Clinton would win to make any of what you’re mentioning on abortion possible. McConnells also won more elections for his party than Donald Trump. Again…Trump is a loser. We saw it again last night.

hossblur said:
We elected Bush, and got open borders, endless wars, out of control spending, and THE PATRIOT ACT.

Trump, like it or not, was closing the border, and like it or not, ended Roe.

He ended Roe because McConnell kept the Supreme Court spot open.

hossblur said:
Meaning, like it or not, his legacy, will be the most conservative ACCOMPLISHING president in 40 years, and among the most ever.

Trumps legacy will be that of a loser. To a very specific base he’ll be seen as good, but to most the country Trump is a loser, a joke, and one of the worst Presidents the country has had due to his rhetoric and personal actions. History won’t be kind to the guy who tried to overthrow a legitimate election. It’ll be seen as ugly moment in American history. Like it or not.

hossblur said:
And further. Trump could die tomorrow and whoever the R is, will suddenly become a stooge for Russia, a flaming racist, a white supremacist(even if he's black, just ask Larry Elder), evil, desiring to kill grandma. That same candidate knows, he's not just fighting the D candidate, but also all of TV media, all of print media, all of tech, all of the deep state, the entirety of the global elite.

This I agree with, but Trump actually is and actually really appeals to several of those things.

hossblur said:
The D, he may remain in his basement, do one town hall, and know, the machine will take care of him. As Fetterman showed this election, and Biden the last.

Maybe the party losing to that guy should look inward lol. Blaming everyone but yourselves isn’t doing you much good.

hossblur said:
The only "advantage" the R has is liberal government eventually makes life so miserable and things so bad, that folks might seek a change. I had hoped things were bad enough this election. I guess not. So now we will really get to suffer for a few more years. And suffer we will. More crime. More overdoses. More inflation. And, most likely, YOUR kids will get to see something YOU didn't. A world war, in either Russia or Taiwan.

But hey. Orange man being bad, makes it all better?

Orange man is bad.

Oneye · Dec 7, 2022

Bluehair said:
I completely disagree with your assessment of trump’s legacy. Like it or not, history will be written so that he will always be remembered as a fraud and a crackpot. And definitely a loser.

The fact is that whichever party is chosen to lead will have won by a coalition of voters. The two parties are going in opposite directions in terms of putting together a winning coalition. All because of trump.

But at least the Republicans can stand on principle while the democrats piss down our backs

Govern or be governed. Learn to live with your choices.

Donald Trump won one election for himself…and has subsequently lost all the rest for the GOP. Thinking that man is a winner is just delusion. He’s so much of a winner he gave one of the least popular Presidents ever one of the best midterm outcomes of all time by hand picking losing candidates for the GOP. The dude is absolutely to blame for a ton of GOP losses. He’s anything but a winner.

Bluehair · Dec 7, 2022

hossblur said:
So, conservatives are now left with the choice of winning elections to lose policy and agenda with fake, or Rino candidates.

Hey 12th man, you can’t enact your policies if you can’t win elections.

The other flaw in your argument is the premise that the policies of the hard right are all viable.

They aren’t, so you blame the system.

You should start considering how you’re going to adapt to life under democrat rule.

I would blame Nixon, but he’s dead. So yeah, all trumps fault.

Bluehair · Dec 7, 2022

Oneye said:
Donald Trump won one election for himself…and has subsequently lost all the rest for the GOP. Thinking that man is a winner is just delusion. He’s so much of a winner he gave one of the least popular Presidents ever one of the best midterm outcomes of all time by hand picking losing candidates for the GOP. The dude is absolutely to blame for a ton of GOP losses. He’s anything but a winner.

His history indicates he only knows how to cheat, not how to win.

Times are tough for the donald now that he’s going to be sanctioned by NY and won’t be able to steal rides on the merry-go-round in Central Park anymore

hossblur · Dec 7, 2022

Oneye said:
Donald Trump won one election for himself…and has subsequently lost all the rest for the GOP. Thinking that man is a winner is just delusion. He’s so much of a winner he gave one of the least popular Presidents ever one of the best midterm outcomes of all time by hand picking losing candidates for the GOP. The dude is absolutely to blame for a ton of GOP losses. He’s anything but a winner.

He's on par with what Obama did down ticket.

We will see how Biden does I guess, but as of now, he lost 1/3 of gov

hossblur · Dec 7, 2022

Bluehair said:
Hey 12th man, you can’t enact your policies if you can’t win elections.

The other flaw in your argument is the premise that the policies of the hard right are all viable.

They aren’t, so you blame the system.

You should start considering how you’re going to adapt to life under democrat rule.

I would blame Nixon, but he’s dead. So yeah, all trumps fault.

To steal a quote.

Most Republicans are want to be Democrats. No democrat is a want to be Republican

Yeah I guess if the choice is no border, which we have now, or no border via the Republicans, I'll take no border and go shoot ducks on Nov 7 rather than waste time voting for Nancy Pelosi Lite. Either way, it's an open border.

But, one thing I have learned in life, taking guys like @Oneye advice, as a lib, on how to fix the R, is like asking WLH how to fix the DWR.

hossblur · Dec 7, 2022

hossblur said:
To steal a quote.

Most Republicans are want to be Democrats. No democrat is a want to be Republican

Yeah I guess if the choice is no border, which we have now, or no border via the Republicans, I'll take no border and go shoot ducks on Nov 7 rather than waste time voting for Nancy Pelosi Lite. Either way, it's an open border.

But, one thing I have learned in life, taking guys like @Oneye advice, as a lib, on how to fix the R, is like asking WLH how to fix the DWR.

The REALITY is the reality.

It's impossible to compete with Santa Claus.

Trying to convince low education voters(libs), mentally disturbed voters(libs), lazy voters(libs), to vote against their free college, section 8 housing, WIC, welfare, unemployment, etc, etc, etc and vote for the party that doesn't think Uncle Sam should hold your hand from birth to death, is a near impossible sell anymore.

Sad thing is, all that free college won't teach the mindless what happens in the end.

Mouse Heaven or Mouse Hell?

Biologist John Calhoun’s rodent experiments gripped a society consumed by fears of overpopulation.

www.sciencehistory.org

Oneye · Dec 7, 2022

hossblur said:
He's on par with what Obama did down ticket.

We will see how Biden does I guess, but as of now, he lost 1/3 of gov

Lol....nah not even close. Biden is the only President to not lose at least one Senate seat in this situation(actually gained one). Obama lost a waaaaaaaaaaay more House seats too.

Oneye · Dec 7, 2022

hossblur said:
To steal a quote.

Most Republicans are want to be Democrats. No democrat is a want to be Republican

Manchin and our very own Ben McAdams would like a word.

hossblur said:
Yeah I guess if the choice is no border, which we have now, or no border via the Republicans, I'll take no border and go shoot ducks on Nov 7 rather than waste time voting for Nancy Pelosi Lite. Either way, it's an open border.

But, one thing I have learned in life, taking guys like @Oneye advice, as a lib, on how to fix the R, is like asking WLH how to fix the DWR.

I'm not a lib, I am on some issues, not all. In regards to wildlife, the environment, and social issues. Very much so yes. Spending? Not so much so. Some government programs? Not so much so. The left is insane too. I'd take my advice more as a middle of the road American who argues with your echo chamber and the left echo chamber, in saying you all very much need a reality check.

Oneye · Dec 7, 2022

hossblur said:
The REALITY is the reality.

It's impossible to compete with Santa Claus.

Trying to convince low education voters(libs), mentally disturbed voters(libs), lazy voters(libs), to vote against their free college, section 8 housing, WIC, welfare, unemployment, etc, etc, etc and vote for the party that doesn't think Uncle Sam should hold your hand from birth to death, is a near impossible sell anymore.

Sad thing is, all that free college won't teach the mindless what happens in the end.

Mouse Heaven or Mouse Hell?

Biologist John Calhoun’s rodent experiments gripped a society consumed by fears of overpopulation.

www.sciencehistory.org

Oh yes....world's ending, dark path, destruction....end of world because not everything is exactly as the Christian, straight, white, male who's always had all power wants it. Things might be changing to give others a greater voice in the country....oh no. The education part is funny.....because it's actually quite the opposite. Listen.....the country is going to survive Joe Biden.....it survived Donald Trump. You'll be okay, I promise.

Bluehair · Dec 7, 2022

hossblur said:
To steal a quote.

Most Republicans are want to be Democrats. No democrat is a want to be Republican

Yeah I guess if the choice is no border, which we have now, or no border via the Republicans, I'll take no border and go shoot ducks on Nov 7 rather than waste time voting for Nancy Pelosi Lite. Either way, it's an open border.

But, one thing I have learned in life, taking guys like @Oneye advice, as a lib, on how to fix the R, is like asking WLH how to fix the DWR.

I wasn’t necessarily talking about the border, but its a fair example of an issue that could be “won” by the republicans. Instead its become a monument to our stupidity, and another example of a corrupt and incompetent administration.

I don’t know where the quote is from (probably a Reagan troll), or if it’s intended a sarcasm, or just to remind me again that trump is a big- government democrat. Or was most of his life.

I don’t know why you need to listen to anyone’s advice on the matter, when you can just open your eyes and see for yourself what reality is. The only excuse to not see it is willful ignorance, which is celebrated here btw.

hossblur · Dec 7, 2022

Oneye said:
Lol....nah not even close. Biden is the only President to not lose at least one Senate seat in this situation(actually gained one). Obama lost a waaaaaaaaaaay more House seats too.

Guess your Google is broke huh

hossblur · Dec 7, 2022

Oneye said:
Manchin and our very own Ben McAdams would like a word.

I'm not a lib, I am on some issues, not all. In regards to wildlife, the environment, and social issues. Very much so yes. Spending? Not so much so. Some government programs? Not so much so. The left is insane too. I'd take my advice more as a middle of the road American who argues with your echo chamber and the left echo chamber, in saying you all very much need a reality check.

Ya, Manchin. The dude who sold out his own coal miner's to sign Bidens "inflation reduction act"(climate change act), is a red pilled Dem??????

Ben McAdams ain't even in office

hossblur · Dec 7, 2022

Oneye said:
Oh yes....world's ending, dark path, destruction....end of world because not everything is exactly as the Christian, straight, white, male who's always had all power wants it. Things might be changing to give others a greater voice in the country....oh no. The education part is funny.....because it's actually quite the opposite. Listen.....the country is going to survive Joe Biden.....it survived Donald Trump. You'll be okay, I promise.

Trends are trends.

Try actually reading the study, and it's outcomes

hossblur · Dec 7, 2022

Bluehair said:
I wasn’t necessarily talking about the border, but its a fair example of an issue that could be “won” by the republicans. Instead its become a monument to our stupidity, and another example of a corrupt and incompetent administration.

I don’t know where the quote is from (probably a Reagan troll), or if it’s intended a sarcasm, or just to remind me again that trump is a big- government democrat. Or was most of his life.

I don’t know why you need to listen to anyone’s advice on the matter, when you can just open your eyes and see for yourself what reality is. The only excuse to not see it is willful ignorance, which is celebrated here btw.

Show me the last time 10 Dem senators crossed the aisle on anything. Happens weekly with the R

You are right, the border is a monument. The D are honest, they have zero interest in fixing it

The R say different, then act the same. So why vote more in? Why not just sit home? Results are the same either way.

But, hey, at least "our team" gives good speeches and wear nice suits huh, so let's elect more

Oneye · Dec 7, 2022

hossblur said:
Guess your Google is broke huh

I guess yours is?.....

hossblur said:
Ya, Manchin. The dude who sold out his own coal miner's to sign Bidens "inflation reduction act"(climate change act), is a red pilled Dem??????

Ben McAdams ain't even in office

Sure hoss....sure. More bad faith bulls***

hossblur said:
Trends are trends.

Try actually reading the study, and it's outcomes

Mhmmmmm

hossblur · Dec 8, 2022

Oneye said:
I guess yours is?.....

Sure hoss....sure. More bad faith bulls***

Mhmmmmm

Lol....nah not even close. Biden is the only President to not lose at least one Senate seat in this situation(actually gained one). Obama lost a waaaaaaaaaaay more House seats too.
-Oneye

My duck duck go works just fine, and when I do use it, it says that Biden indeed isn't the first President to not lose Senate seats.

Franklin Delano Roosevelt gained seats in both chambers of Congress in his first midterm (1934) as his New Deal found wide acceptance in the depths of the Great Depression. George W. Bush also added a few seats in both the House and Senate in his first midterm (2002)
NPR

But continue on, don't let little things like facts get in your way.

Oneye · Dec 8, 2022

hossblur said:
Lol....nah not even close. Biden is the only President to not lose at least one Senate seat in this situation(actually gained one). Obama lost a waaaaaaaaaaay more House seats too.
-Oneye

My duck duck go works just fine, and when I do use it, it says that Biden indeed isn't the first President to not lose Senate seats.

Biden is the first President since FDR to not lose a single Senate seat during midterms. There….there’s the detail you’re obsessing over. The point is that Biden is not popular, yet managed to have on of the best midterms of all time. That’s says more about the GOP.

hossblur said:
Franklin Delano Roosevelt gained seats in both chambers of Congress in his first midterm (1934) as his New Deal found wide acceptance in the depths of the Great Depression. George W. Bush also added a few seats in both the House and Senate in his first midterm (2002)
NPR

See above.

hossblur said:
But continue on, don't let little things like facts get in your way.

See above. When you gonna admit Republicans bombed in these midterms by a historical standard?

Oneye · Dec 8, 2022

Btw. Chris Stewart, Blake Moore, Mitt Romney, and John Curtis all voted for the legislation. Burgess Owens voted present. Mike Lee was the only obstructionist, attention seeking loser from Utah who didn’t vote in favor of this bill or support it. Also, the Governor supports it too, even though he didn’t get a vote. Mike Lee’s accomplishments in the US Senate?: Still 0.

House passes bill to codify same-sex marriage, sends legislation to President Biden

In an op-ed to the Washington Post, she said same-sex marriage rights are being threatened by the Supreme Court.

www.fox13now.com

hossblur · Dec 8, 2022

Even when I POST THE FACTS FOR YOU

Oneye said:
Biden is the first President since FDR to not lose a single Senate seat during midterms. There….there’s the detail you’re obsessing over. The point is that Biden is not popular, yet managed to have on of the best midterms of all time. That’s says more about the GOP.

See above.

See above. When you gonna admit Republicans bombed in these midterms by a historical standard?

I can only post the facts for you. Your ability to not read, or perhaps comprehend, I can't help you with.

GWB, was president in 2002. So, 2presidencies ago.

R lost a seat in Pennsylvania that is still astonishing who won it.

Showing character quality, which is what you keep trying to claim, means ZERO to libs. When you get to that point, where you vote for someone incapable of communication because he's a D, there is no amount of "middle of the road" that will fix that.

Other than that, was there some mind-blowing Senate seat lost, that wasn't won by an incumbent?

You took some kind of moral win when Lee beat McMullin, yet it's super shocking Walker lost by a smaller margin

I'm a hell of a lot more concerned MCCONNELL backed Murkowski, the 2nd least reliable R in the Senate.

The D lost 1/3 of the government and somehow that was a giant victory. No one remembers the score of the Superbowl, they only remember who won.

And yes, I greatly enjoyed @Bluehair congresswoman speech on the floor letting Pelosi know, she had been fired.

hossblur · Dec 8, 2022

Oneye said:
Btw. Chris Stewart, Blake Moore, Mitt Romney, and John Curtis all voted for the legislation. Burgess Owens voted present. Mike Lee was the only obstructionist, attention seeking loser from Utah who didn’t vote in favor of this bill or support it. Also, the Governor supports it too, even though he didn’t get a vote. Mike Lee’s accomplishments in the US Senate?: Still 0.

House passes bill to codify same-sex marriage, sends legislation to President Biden

In an op-ed to the Washington Post, she said same-sex marriage rights are being threatened by the Supreme Court.

www.fox13now.com

You mean all those racist, bigots voted for it? I was told, by you, how horrible they are.

Imagine you being wrong.

Oneye · Dec 8, 2022

hossblur said:
Even when I POST THE FACTS FOR YOU

I can only post the facts for you. Your ability to not read, or perhaps comprehend, I can't help you with.

GWB, was president in 2002. So, 2presidencies ago.

R lost a seat in Pennsylvania that is still astonishing who won it.

Showing character quality, which is what you keep trying to claim, means ZERO to libs. When you get to that point, where you vote for someone incapable of communication because he's a D, there is no amount of "middle of the road" that will fix that.

Other than that, was there some mind-blowing Senate seat lost, that wasn't won by an incumbent?

You took some kind of moral win when Lee beat McMullin, yet it's super shocking Walker lost by a smaller margin

I'm a hell of a lot more concerned MCCONNELL backed Murkowski, the 2nd least reliable R in the Senate.

The D lost 1/3 of the government and somehow that was a giant victory. No one remembers the score of the Superbowl, they only remember who won.

And yes, I greatly enjoyed @Bluehair congresswoman speech on the floor letting Pelosi know, she had been fired.

McConnell is interested in winning elections. Not losing them by nominating candidates and running off issues that are killing the GOP. McConnell backed Murkowski because he backs candidates that can WIN.

Oneye · Dec 8, 2022

hossblur said:
You mean all those racist, bigots voted for it? I was told, by you, how horrible they are.

Imagine you being wrong.

Moore, Romney, and Curtis are decent. Stewart is as horrendous on public lands as Lee, so generally I'm not at all favorable to him either. But of course he, and every other major representative from Utah gets 100% credit for voting for common sense equal rights for all Americans.

Here, I'll even post Chris Stewarts tweet and give him the credit he deserves for working in good faith here. Unlike the moron attention seeking Senator we have named Mike Lee:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1600901378125099008

I'll criticize bad faith, bad candidates, bad policy, and bad actions, and give credit where credit is due. And Chris Stewart specifically fights really hard against some of my biggest interests in public lands, so no, not wrong that he sucks a lot of the time, but when he doesn't, he deserves credit. Only guy who sucks 100% of the time apparently is Mike "I want attention" Lee. Romney is the main Utah representative responsible for working on the religious protection aspects of this bill, so kudos to Utah's delegation minus Mike Lee on voting for the good of the citizens of the country and this state today.

hossblur · Dec 8, 2022

Oneye said:
McConnell is interested in winning elections. Not losing them by nominating candidates and running off issues that are killing the GOP. McConnell backed Murkowski because he backs candidates that can WIN.

McConnell backed her because she's establishment.

Only way she "won" was that jackass 2nd choice(save Murkowski) system Alaska has.

She voted no on Kavanaugh. She's a real "conservative"

Oneye · Dec 8, 2022

hossblur said:
McConnell backed her because she's establishment.

Only way she "won" was that jackass 2nd choice(save Murkowski) system Alaska has.

She voted no on Kavanaugh. She's a real "conservative"

McConnell's candidates do what's most important.....win. Being a conservative doesn't mean you vote with Republicans 100% of the time....sorry. Conservatives have some issues they are not going to win on. America has progressed beyond them. McConnell is strategic. Trump is a moron who nominates horrid candidates destined to lose in generals.....its why Democrats literally put money behind several candidates he endorsed during primaries because they knew they could beat them in generals. Politics is a game of strategy.

hossblur · Dec 8, 2022

Oneye said:
McConnell's candidates do what's most important.....win. Being a conservative doesn't mean you vote with Republicans 100% of the time....sorry. Conservatives have some issues they are not going to win on. America has progressed beyond them. McConnell is strategic. Trump is a moron who nominates horrid candidates destined to lose in generals.....its why Democrats literally put money behind several candidates he endorsed during primaries because they knew they could beat them in generals. Politics is a game of strategy.

If your a R, you've spent decades raising money on Roe.

Voting no on a judge that could make that happen isn't strategy.

Oneye · Dec 8, 2022

hossblur said:
If your a R, you've spent decades raising money on Roe.

Voting no on a judge that could make that happen isn't strategy.

Her job is to represent her constituents. Alaska is not deep red. Again, you’d rather put up flawed candidates you see as perfect and lose totally, than nominate reasonable candidates and win some and lose some. Sure, give the seat to full Dem…..and get 20% instead of 70%……smart. McConnell is better at his job than Donald Trump.

hossblur · Dec 8, 2022

Oneye said:
Her job is to represent her constituents. Alaska is not deep red. Again, you’d rather put up flawed candidates you see as perfect and lose totally, than nominate reasonable candidates and win some and lose some. Sure, give the seat to full Dem…..and get 20% instead of 70%……smart. McConnell is better at his job than Donald Trump.

"Her job is to represent her constituents"

You say while banging on the R in Utah, except Romney.

Tshibaka was second, an R, and much more conservative than Murkowski. McConnell doesn't like conservatives, they have beliefs. He likes Republicans that are easily bought. She was first until the system set up to save Murkowski kicked in.

So AGAIN your wrong. But the important thing is you try to sound correct

Oneye · Dec 8, 2022

hossblur said:
"Her job is to represent her constituents"

You say while banging on the R in Utah, except Romney.

I bang on the R's in Utah because they've silenced 35-40% of the population outright in congress. 35% of your fellow citizens reliably vote Democrat. They are not represented in congress due to blatant and gross gerrymandering by R's in the state. I live here and will gladly call that nonsense cheating/suppression out. PS, I have no major issues with John Curtis, Blake Moore, or Mitt Romney. Burgess Owens is worthless, Chris Stewart ardently attacks public lands, and Mike Lee is one of the most embarrassing terrible members in congress. I'm okay with 3 of our 6 actually. Owens is just bleh.....he spews rhetoric and does absolutely nothing. Imagine voting "present" and representing no one. I believe all Utahn's deserve a voice. I think Romney does a good job of representing ALL his constituents, not just extremism. He's delivered quite a bit of funding for the state that all those other guys stand in the pics with for shovel photo ops, but do nothing to work on legislation that actually impacts the state. Voting R 80+% of the time is.....um representing his constituents quite well btw.

Let me show you a map again:

hossblur said:
Tshibaka was second, an R, and much more conservative than Murkowski. McConnell doesn't like conservatives, they have beliefs. He likes Republicans that are easily bought. She was first until the system set up to save Murkowski kicked in.

He likes Republicans that win.....you apparently like losers. McConnel gets his way on a couple Senate candidates over Trump just THIS election cycle, you have control of the Senate as the GOP. Trump got his way. And they lost. Good. They deserved to.

hossblur said:
So AGAIN your wrong. But the important thing is you try to sound correct

Nope.

hossblur · Dec 8, 2022

Is a carbon tax possible in a divided Congress? Sen. Mitt Romney is hopeful

Utah Sen. Mitt Romney and Salt Lake City Mayor Erin Mendenhall talked about climate change at a Washington Post webinar.

www.deseret.com

The will of his constituents

hossblur · Dec 8, 2022

hossblur said:
Is a carbon tax possible in a divided Congress? Sen. Mitt Romney is hopeful

Utah Sen. Mitt Romney and Salt Lake City Mayor Erin Mendenhall talked about climate change at a Washington Post webinar.

www.deseret.com

The will of his constituents

You should leave SL.

You'd be surprised how much the rest of Utah loves Romney. Or Cox for that matter

Oneye · Dec 8, 2022

hossblur said:
Is a carbon tax possible in a divided Congress? Sen. Mitt Romney is hopeful

Utah Sen. Mitt Romney and Salt Lake City Mayor Erin Mendenhall talked about climate change at a Washington Post webinar.

www.deseret.com

The will of his constituents

Climate change is something Blake Moore, John Curtis, and Mitt Romney all also work on and agree on. I hate to inform you but there’s plenty Utah Republicans who believe in science and are not extremists. Any well reasoned Republican agrees with them on this too. The number of Republicans invested in combatting climate change is growing every year hoss. You don’t believe in it? LOL. Okay. Also, if you listen to Mitt and what he actually says….it’s hard to disagree with what he says. He talks mostly about getting places like China to stop polluting or legislation for Americans is pointless. Wasatch Front Republicans are not the same as rural Utah Republicans in how they vote. Yes. Romney, Moore, and Curtis represent those continents very well. Curtis literally sits on the board of Republicans climate change policy and election after election wins his seat by the biggest margin in the state. Why? Because he’s a moderate common sense Republican and that’s what plenty of Republicans from Provo to Ogden are.

Bluehair · Dec 8, 2022

hossblur said:
Even when I POST THE FACTS FOR YOU

I can only post the facts for you. Your ability to not read, or perhaps comprehend, I can't help you with.

GWB, was president in 2002. So, 2presidencies ago.

R lost a seat in Pennsylvania that is still astonishing who won it.

Showing character quality, which is what you keep trying to claim, means ZERO to libs. When you get to that point, where you vote for someone incapable of communication because he's a D, there is no amount of "middle of the road" that will fix that.

Other than that, was there some mind-blowing Senate seat lost, that wasn't won by an incumbent?

You took some kind of moral win when Lee beat McMullin, yet it's super shocking Walker lost by a smaller margin

I'm a hell of a lot more concerned MCCONNELL backed Murkowski, the 2nd least reliable R in the Senate.

The D lost 1/3 of the government and somehow that was a giant victory. No one remembers the score of the Superbowl, they only remember who won.

And yes, I greatly enjoyed @Bluehair congresswoman speech on the floor letting Pelosi know, she had been fired.

Oneye · Dec 8, 2022

hossblur said:
You should leave SL.

You'd be surprised how much the rest of Utah loves Romney. Or Cox for that matter

Curtis wins his elections by the largest margin in the state and sits on Republicans climate change policy board. Sorry Hoss, plenty Utah Republicans out there who realize climate change is an issue. More than Romney makes it an issue in their platform as well as an Utah Republican. Cox has one of the highest approval ratings among governors in the nation with the latest poll showing 66% support from REPUBLICANS in the state. Maybe it’s you who should get out of your bubble? Btw I live in Sevier County.

Oneye · Dec 8, 2022

He wins his elections at a 70% clip:

Conservative Climate Caucus

curtis.house.gov

Owens, Stewart, and Moore are all also part of this. (Every Utah representative agrees with Mitt and everything he discussed in this convo hoss….sorry about that)

hossblur · Dec 8, 2022

Oneye said:
Climate change is something Blake Moore, John Curtis, and Mitt Romney all also work on and agree on. I hate to inform you but there’s plenty Utah Republicans who believe in science and are not extremists. Any well reasoned Republican agrees with them on this too. The number of Republicans invested in combatting climate change is growing every year hoss. You don’t believe in it? LOL. Okay. Also, if you listen to Mitt and what he actually says….it’s hard to disagree with what he says. He talks mostly about getting places like China to stop polluting or legislation for Americans is pointless. Wasatch Front Republicans are not the same as rural Utah Republicans in how they vote. Yes. Romney, Moore, and Curtis represent those continents very well. Curtis literally sits on the board of Republicans climate change policy and election after election wins his seat by the biggest margin in the state. Why? Because he’s a moderate common sense Republican and that’s what plenty of Republicans from Provo to Ogden are.

I like how you spinned from carbon tax to Climate Change overall.

You have a future in politics

hossblur · Dec 8, 2022

Oneye said:
Curtis wins his elections by the largest margin in the state and sits on Republicans climate change policy board. Sorry Hoss, plenty Utah Republicans out there who realize climate change is an issue. More than Romney makes it an issue in their platform as well as an Utah Republican. Cox has one of the highest approval ratings among governors in the nation with the latest poll showing 66% support from REPUBLICANS in the state. Maybe it’s you who should get out of your bubble? Btw I live in Sevier County.

Climate change and carbon tax, 2 different things

hossblur · Dec 8, 2022

Bluehair said:
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I thought being associated with Trump meant you lost.

Are you saying Oneye is full of chit?

hossblur · Dec 8, 2022

Oneye said:
Curtis wins his elections by the largest margin in the state and sits on Republicans climate change policy board. Sorry Hoss, plenty Utah Republicans out there who realize climate change is an issue. More than Romney makes it an issue in their platform as well as an Utah Republican. Cox has one of the highest approval ratings among governors in the nation with the latest poll showing 66% support from REPUBLICANS in the state. Maybe it’s you who should get out of your bubble? Btw I live in Sevier County.

66% of his own party. That's impressive?

Oneye · Dec 8, 2022

hossblur said:
I like how you spinned from carbon tax to Climate Change overall.

You have a future in politics

The very discussion you’re posting here I’ve listened to the entire thing today. You clearly have not.

hossblur said:
I thought being associated with Trump meant you lost.

Are you saying Oneye is full of chit?

In swing districts. Stop being bad faith hoss….endorsing someone in an R+20-40 district isn’t the endorsement holding weight lol. It’s the fact the district is so red…and yet that one right there….nearly turned blue while being like R+16(this number isn’t correct, I know, it was heavily skewed toward Republicans)or something. Ended up being R+.02

Oneye · Dec 8, 2022

hossblur said:
66% of his own party. That's impressive?

It actually is lol. One of the highest approval ratings for a Governor in the entire nation of either party. He also has approval of moderate liberals at around 51%….imagine being someone that works for everyone instead of just one side? It’s a good thing to have a broad base of support and both extremes hate you. You’re probably doing something right.

hossblur · Dec 8, 2022

Oneye said:
The very discussion you’re posting here I’ve listened to the entire thing today. You clearly have not.

In swing districts. Stop being bad faith hoss….endorsing someone in an R+20-40 district isn’t the endorsement holding weight lol. It’s the fact the district is so red…and yet that one right there….nearly turned blue while being like R+16(this number isn’t correct, I know, it was heavily skewed toward Republicans)or something. Ended up being R+.02

So you caught the part where Romney admits R won't support it because they view a carbon tax as a tax. So he'll get the D to support it.

Right?

You know. R being anti tax and all, right?

Want to bet on his constituents support of a new tax?

hossblur · Dec 8, 2022

Oneye said:
The very discussion you’re posting here I’ve listened to the entire thing today. You clearly have not.

In swing districts. Stop being bad faith hoss….endorsing someone in an R+20-40 district isn’t the endorsement holding weight lol. It’s the fact the district is so red…and yet that one right there….nearly turned blue while being like R+16(this number isn’t correct, I know, it was heavily skewed toward Republicans)or something. Ended up being R+.02

Ask bluehair about the 3rd party that changed the numbers this time to last

Oneye · Dec 8, 2022

hossblur said:
So you caught the part where Romney admits R won't support it because they view a carbon tax as a tax. So he'll get the D to support it.

Right?

You know. R being anti tax and all, right?

Want to bet on his constituents support of a new tax?

I'm one of them. I support addressing climate change on a global level. Period. It's a pressing issue, and we need to start doing something about it, and yes, it's going to cost money. I would invite you to go listen to the entire conversation. You wanna talk about what's going to destroy things like the mule deer......climate change is one of the biggest issues the species will face going forward, along with cheat grass, and development. I'm okay spending money on helping our clean air and the environment.

hossblur · Dec 8, 2022

Oneye said:
I'm one of them. I support addressing climate change on a global level. Period. It's a pressing issue, and we need to start doing something about it, and yes, it's going to cost money. I would invite you to go listen to the entire conversation. You wanna talk about what's going to destroy things like the mule deer......climate change is one of the biggest issues the species will face going forward, along with cheat grass, and development. I'm okay spending money on helping our clean air and the environment.

Show me where handing the gov a pile of money and it's fixed a problem.

There is no more arrogant American concept than deciding half the globe should live in poverty and not have access to cheap efficient energy because the 1st world says so.

I'm sure as a corporate raider and hedge fund operator the thought of accessing piles of taxpayer money under the guise of saving the planet gives him wet dreams.

I'll believe Romney is a climate activist, when he and the Mrs move out of their huge mansions and downsize into a 1200ft patio home like most senior citizens do.

But no. Destroying the American economy and industrial and agricultural industry by taxi g it to death, while we outsource to the 3rd world and China, ain't a starting point with conservatives or Republicans.

Oneye · Dec 8, 2022

hossblur said:
Show me where handing the gov a pile of money and it's fixed a problem.

There is no more arrogant American concept than deciding half the globe should live in poverty and not have access to cheap efficient energy because the 1st world says so.

Sorry…..but this is just nonsense. I’m not in the mood to even begin tonight.

hossblur said:
I'm sure as a corporate raider and hedge fund operator the thought of accessing piles of taxpayer money under the guise of saving the planet gives him wet dreams.

Yes hoss. The government that outspends its income by $31 trillion desperately wants your tax money.

hossblur said:
I'll believe Romney is a climate activist, when he and the Mrs move out of their huge mansions and downsize into a 1200ft patio home like most senior citizens do.

Investing in better energy, and less pollution has nothing to do with this. Try again.

hossblur said:
But no. Destroying the American economy and industrial and agricultural industry by taxi g it to death, while we outsource to the 3rd world and China, ain't a starting point with conservatives or Republicans.

Weird…..that’s why I (and Romney and every other Utah Republican rep) said it needs to be a global policy as we approach it to make a difference. Can you read or comprehend? Have you listened to the entire convo yet? Of course not. And actually yes….if polluters are doing such a good job…..why be scared of being taxed for pollution? In the end incentive is what helps change. PLENTY of laws, taxes, fines, etc. are EXACTLY why environmental improvements have been made through history.

Bluehair · Dec 9, 2022

hossblur said:
Ask bluehair about the 3rd party that changed the numbers this time to last

???

Theres lots of tangential stuff happening in this thread, so not sure what issue you want me to weigh in on?

But I’m always happy to contribute my wisdumb.

Bluehair · Dec 9, 2022

Bluehair said:
This senate loss will be a bigger deal than people think.

Manchin (and maybe Sinema) have been more reliable conservatives than some of the republicans. They just became much less useful to the republicans.

Thank goodness we won the House.

I love replying to myself.

Anyway, this Sinema gal just turned the tables, didn’t she?

Her and Manchin were two of “the big losers” from the GA election, and in a single breath she just made her and Joe (don’t believe for a minute this isn’t strategery) the most popular people in Warshingdon.

You go girl

hossblur · Dec 9, 2022

Oneye said:
Sorry…..but this is just nonsense. I’m not in the mood to even begin tonight.

Yes hoss. The government that outspends its income by $31 trillion desperately wants your tax money.

Investing in better energy, and less pollution has nothing to do with this. Try again.

Weird…..that’s why I (and Romney and every other Utah Republican rep) said it needs to be a global policy as we approach it to make a difference. Can you read or comprehend? Have you listened to the entire convo yet? Of course not. And actually yes….if polluters are doing such a good job…..why be scared of being taxed for pollution? In the end incentive is what helps change. PLENTY of laws, taxes, fines, etc. are EXACTLY why environmental improvements have been made through history.

Folks who talk about "global"....... do so to make themselves look good.

There are people who believe in this so much they don't drive cars, live off the grid, etc, etc.

Then there are the Mitt Romney, John Kerry types who fly all over the world, own multiple houses, to brow beat 3rd world countries.

Further. The GOVERNMENT doesn't innovate. The GOVERNMENT doesn't invent.

ACTUAL innovation comes because there is a market for it. When EV becomes affordable, and practical it will take over.

We didn't go from back buggies to cars because the government said so.

Here's a dirty little secret you libs don't get. Companies DONT LIKE WASTE. WASTE is spending excessively on energy. Energy cuts into profits. Whoever, or whatever tech gives you efficient energy, will also corner the market.

AOC, and Romney giving speeches and talking about the planet, doesn't do ****. And as long as the corporate class, of which guys like Romney are the model for, keep doing business with China, "global" anything isnt starting.

If Romney REALLY believed in what he's preaching, it starts by ending buisness in China, not finding(taxing) a business here.

Nice speeches and slick hair, arent a substitute for ACTION.

Biden shutting gas production here to "save the environment", then begging for production in 3rd world countries where there are no pollution restrictions is the poster child for American "environmentalism".

Romney and his ilk simply want to outsource the pollution.

Bluehair · Dec 9, 2022

hossblur said:
Further. The GOVERNMENT doesn't innovate. The GOVERNMENT doesn't invent.

False.

Government brought us Warp Speed and the COVID microchip so that we could track 2000 mules.

And then there’s those national labs, NASA, etc who all employ real live scientists.

You can say that government doesn’t innovate, but you can’t deny that government policy uses your money to drive innovation in industries that you don’t like.

hossblur · Dec 9, 2022

@Bluehair

Had to go see what the hell you were talking about, but was secretly hoping Sinema had sex tape published, she kinda hot?

And just like that Arizona gets a ton of power.

Manchin could do the same, and those 2 run the country.

Bluehair · Dec 9, 2022

hossblur said:
@Bluehair

Had to go see what the hell you were talking about, but was secretly hoping Sinema had sex tape published, she kinda hot?

And just like that Arizona gets a ton of power.

Manchin could do the same, and those 2 run the country.

I believe she’s also a self described bisexual……which I have confusing feelings about

Mr. Anti-public land, Mike Lee, needs to go

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