Haha… Colorado Wolves killed in WY!!!!

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I wish I was not in FB jail given all the stupid around this topic. The articles are hacks using words like slaughtered, slain and the only person quoted in the article is a wolf lover….

In the meantime time, I still am hopeful I can take a wolf up here. Only seen 2 so far in a place where there was no hope of harvest…

Hope you all hammer this..

 
More than ranchers oppose these dam things too. I wonder it they didn't get pushed up there for some reason? Why did they leave the comfort of north park?
 
The full story isn’t there but regardless hunters need to STFU and stop advertising when they kill any apex predator because of articles like this. Way too much publicity from antis and wolf lovers leads to hunting bans. They probably bragged on social media, this **** needs to stop and just hunt quietly. If I’m wrong and they legally had to alert WY officials who then told CO officials then so be it.
 
So PF, with all do respect, I will not be quiet and yield shushed tolerance to the wolf lovers. I will continue to freely oppose and encourage others to do as well in this forum or any theater where open public thoughts are welcomed. IMO, the silent are who lead us to where we are today. In the mean time you are welcome to follow your own advic.✌️
 
The full story isn’t there but regardless hunters need to STFU and stop advertising when they kill any apex predator because of articles like this. Way too much publicity from antis and wolf lovers leads to hunting bans. They probably bragged on social media, this **** needs to stop and just hunt quietly. If I’m wrong and they legally had to alert WY officials who then told CO officials then so be it.
Do your violence in silence they say ?
 
I wish I was not in FB jail given all the stupid around this topic. The articles are hacks using words like slaughtered, slain and the only person quoted in the article is a wolf lover….

In the meantime time, I still am hopeful I can take a wolf up here. Only seen 2 so far in a place where there was no hope of harvest…

Hope you all hammer this..

Harvest? That’s liberal talk!
 
So PF, with all do respect, I will not be quiet and yield shushed tolerance to the wolf lovers. I will continue to freely oppose and encourage others to do as well in this forum or any theater where open public thoughts are welcomed. IMO, the silent are who lead us to where we are today. In the mean time you are welcome to follow your own advic.✌️

Thank you for being polite about it, we can all learn from more civil debates.

I just feel there’s enough evidence that posting dead predators on open public social media platforms is leading to the demise of our sport, more importantly conservation.
 
Thank you for being polite about it, we can all learn from more civil debates.

I just feel there’s enough evidence that posting dead predators on open public social media platforms is leading to the demise of our sport, more importantly conservation.
I share the same thoughts as well. I do believe there are ways of sharing predator pics that give respect to the animal.

It's kinda like trapping photos for me. You see some distasteful ones and it really puts me on the fence regarding trapping.
 
Had a buddy a couple years ago guide a guy on a elk hunt in unit 201. Ran into a pack right on the Colorado/Wyoming border and ending up filming them. Client came home told everyone about it. News got out, next thing you know Polis is holding conferences and the areas covered in Green Jeans.
 
I disagree with many about this issue. Hiding predator hunting/management is not the answer. Sorry but the Anti hunters are working fulltime and over time to get money. If we hide we only help their cause. Instead we should be approaching the subject head on with good data, good manners and a never ending resolve to provide accurate information on the importance and need for predator control.

Sorry but do you really think it matters at all if you post a picture lifting a coyote into a truck? Colorado saw the hound hunting ban, the trapping ban and more long before social media was a thing. If anything lack of social media made it easier to pass as people were not informed. There were many people who said I don't run hounds and I don't trap so why does it matter?

Instead why are we not in front of the issue and working hard to provide the narrative based on science and fact? Do you really think hiding and pretending like we don't hunt predators will work?
 
I understand the sentiment on SSS.

The reason not being open publicly might serve us is the non-hunters that dont oppose hunting. We can bash antis all day and it doesn’t really help or hunt us. They will never change. But if we have pics or dialog that turns those people on the fence against us, we lose.

So I say don’t hide the facts, but be aware that we should be the calm non-emotional factual side and not the over the top, show a wolf with his head blown off and the caption “the only good wolf is a dead wolf” side
 
I’m my mind the best approach is to educate the those who are in the middle ground on this issue. There are opinions on the far ends of this issue. Rather than fight back against the wolf lovers, it would be a lot easier to sway the majority of the population that are in the middle ground to the reality of what predators are really like and that like anything else in this day and age they need to be managed/controlled.

If we were to explain or show pics/videos of coyotes,wolves bears,etc killing newborn defenseless fawns/calves (cute little Bambi’s) and the often slow painful death these predators are often inflicting on their prey, then the vast majority of the population would sway to “our” side and support our views.
As we all know, many of these things come down to majority opinion and the more voices we can get our side the better off we are. If we just continue to fight the wolf lovers directly we will have a looong battle.

I have personally swayed many peoples opinions when I’ve explained to them the reality of what these predators do. Most of them had no idea.
 
I’m my mind the best approach is to educate the those who are in the middle ground on this issue. There are opinions on the far ends of this issue. Rather than fight back against the wolf lovers, it would be a lot easier to sway the majority of the population that are in the middle ground to the reality of what predators are really like and that like anything else in this day and age they need to be managed/controlled.

If we were to explain or show pics/videos of coyotes,wolves bears,etc killing newborn defenseless fawns/calves (cute little Bambi’s) and the often slow painful death these predators are often inflicting on their prey, then the vast majority of the population would sway to “our” side and support our views.
As we all know, many of these things come down to majority opinion and the more voices we can get our side the better off we are. If we just continue to fight the wolf lovers directly we will have a looong battle.

I have personally swayed many peoples opinions when I’ve explained to them the reality of what these predators do. Most of them had no idea.
Do you really believe what you typed or are you that naive?
 
I share the same thoughts as well. I do believe there are ways of sharing predator pics that give respect to the animal.

It's kinda like trapping photos for me. You see some distasteful ones and it really puts me on the fence regarding trapping.
I do not at all mind seeing animals in traps........I can shoot them dead without guilt......I DO NOT LIKE PICS OF ANY OF IT.......for public consumption.
 
I’m my mind the best approach is to educate the those who are in the middle ground on this issue. There are opinions on the far ends of this issue. Rather than fight back against the wolf lovers, it would be a lot easier to sway the majority of the population that are in the middle ground to the reality of what predators are really like and that like anything else in this day and age they need to be managed/controlled.

If we were to explain or show pics/videos of coyotes,wolves bears,etc killing newborn defenseless fawns/calves (cute little Bambi’s) and the often slow painful death these predators are often inflicting on their prey, then the vast majority of the population would sway to “our” side and support our views.
As we all know, many of these things come down to majority opinion and the more voices we can get our side the better off we are. If we just continue to fight the wolf lovers directly we will have a looong battle.

I have personally swayed many peoples opinions when I’ve explained to them the reality of what these predators do. Most of them had no idea.
What a load of crap.

I have a lot more respect for an animal that has to kill its prey to survive. Its a tough life for a wolf out there, that's why they only live 3-4 years on average.

I find it humorous that people believe that a wolf is purposely "inflicting a slow death" on their prey. They're killing for survival and the only thing they do is to kill purposely to eat. They do it with tooth and claw.

Compare that with some bubba sitting his lard butt in a treestand over a food plot, whacking a whitetail in the ass/guts and leaving it all night to die. Then acting like a 5 year old that found an easter egg the next morning when they find the deer dead and bloated.

Pretty good chance ol' Bubba is going to give that quality piece of venison to "charity" while he whacks down a greasy burger and fries at the local diner. He doesn't and didn't kill to simply survive and probably didn't kill that deer any more humanely than a wolf would have. He sure didn't do it with his teeth and claws, but the most advanced mechanical dowel flinging device on the market.

Anyone that would believe the garbage in your post, they're pretty easily swayed and probably have an IQ of a golf ball.

Wolves do what they do to survive. They don't do it for sport, they don't do it to inflict pain, and all those other human emotions you try to brainwash folks with.

That said, there's nothing wrong with hunting and killing wolves. Nothing wrong with posting reasonable pictures of a successful wolf hunt either.

But what you posted is every bit as intellectually dishonest as the crap posted by PETA...neither are anything to do with reality. Neither is the correct way to defend your position, its tugging at human emotions and a flat lie.
 
What a load of crap.

I have a lot more respect for an animal that has to kill its prey to survive. Its a tough life for a wolf out there, that's why they only live 3-4 years on average.

I find it humorous that people believe that a wolf is purposely "inflicting a slow death" on their prey. They're killing for survival and the only thing they do is to kill purposely to eat. They do it with tooth and claw.

Compare that with some bubba sitting his lard butt in a treestand over a food plot, whacking a whitetail in the ass/guts and leaving it all night to die. Then acting like a 5 year old that found an easter egg the next morning when they find the deer dead and bloated.

Pretty good chance ol' Bubba is going to give that quality piece of venison to "charity" while he whacks down a greasy burger and fries at the local diner. He doesn't and didn't kill to simply survive and probably didn't kill that deer any more humanely than a wolf would have. He sure didn't do it with his teeth and claws, but the most advanced mechanical dowel flinging device on the market.

Anyone that would believe the garbage in your post, they're pretty easily swayed and probably have an IQ of a golf ball.

Wolves do what they do to survive. They don't do it for sport, they don't do it to inflict pain, and all those other human emotions you try to brainwash folks with.

That said, there's nothing wrong with hunting and killing wolves. Nothing wrong with posting reasonable pictures of a successful wolf hunt either.

But what you posted is every bit as intellectually dishonest as the crap posted by PETA...neither are anything to do with reality. Neither is the correct way to defend your position, its tugging at human emotions and a flat lie.
Wolves can take days to kill a moose or elk. Dozens of documented, filmed kills that involved injuring and waiting for the animal to be so weak before they take them down. So yes, they can and do inflict a slow, painful death- on purpose. Now, it is to avoid injury to themselves, and to insure survival. If you are suggesting it isn't for fun- ok- but it is surely on purpose.

The fact that they are smart enough to avoid injury by not taking unnecessary risks doesn't make them evil- so if that was your point, I'd be with you. But death by wolf is not a quick clean process in many, many cases.

Oh- and nice description of a hunter. Geez......
 
Wolves can take days to kill a moose or elk. Dozens of documented, filmed kills that involved injuring and waiting for the animal to be so weak before they take them down. So yes, they can and do inflict a slow, painful death- on purpose. Now, it is to avoid injury to themselves, and to insure survival. If you are suggesting it isn't for fun- ok- but it is surely on purpose.

The fact that they are smart enough to avoid injury by not taking unnecessary risks doesn't make them evil- so if that was your point, I'd be with you. But death by wolf is not a quick clean process in many, many cases.

Oh- and nice description of a hunter. Geez......
What, you haven't watched any hunting TV the last, oh, 25-30 years? Story hasn't changed.

Watch any 10 whitetail episodes and 9 of them are the same old thing...Get the crane out to lift Bubba into his tree stand, food plot, shoot deer at dark with a questionable hit, don't recover until the next day. Wash, rinse, repeat.

How anyone can watch that same story line over and over and over again is mind boggling.

Death by an inefficient wolf or an arrow/bullet in the ass/guts by an inefficient hunter...picking fly chit out of the pepper I believe.
 
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What, you haven't watched any hunting TV the last, oh, 25-30 years? Story hasn't changed.

Watch any 10 whitetail episodes and 9 of them are the same old thing...Get the crane out to lift Bubba into his tree stand, food plot, shoot deer at dark with a questionable hit, don't recover until the next day. Wash, rinse, repeat.

How anyone can watch that same story line over and over and over again is mind boggling.

Death by an inefficient wolf or an arrow/bullet in the ass/guts by an inefficient hunter...picking fly chit out of the pepper I believe.
Buzz I used to have the same impression with whitetails until I truly started bow hunting them and learning the chess match you have to play. Yes there’s easy whitetails, just like there’s easy elk. As we know television primarily does a poor job of displaying and interpreting what the reality is. Doesn’t matter if it’s an elk/mule deer/ or whitetail hunt.
 
Buzz I used to have the same impression with whitetails until I truly started bow hunting them and learning the chess match you have to play. Yes there’s easy whitetails, just like there’s easy elk. As we know television primarily does a poor job of displaying and interpreting what the reality is. Doesn’t matter if it’s an elk/mule deer/ or whitetail hunt.
I don’t think he’s questioning the intelligence of whitetails. I could be wrong tho.
 
Treestand hunting is challenging. Trying to stay awake because it’s boring as **** and also trying to stay warm.
Hardest mental battle I’ve ever had to face in hunting is standing on a two foot wide platform at a uncomfortable height for hours on end hoping I made the right decision
 
Buzz I used to have the same impression with whitetails until I truly started bow hunting them and learning the chess match you have to play. Yes there’s easy whitetails, just like there’s easy elk. As we know television primarily does a poor job of displaying and interpreting what the reality is. Doesn’t matter if it’s an elk/mule deer/ or whitetail hunt.
Hopefully, someday, I'll know a bit about whitetails and learn to appreciate them...

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Some more, all the bucks I've posted, either MT or WY public land. The Montana bucks never see an ag field.

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I think buzz got us way off topic as the point that I was trying to make about portraying the hunting and killing of predators tasteful, tactfully, and professional. As he was doing with how whitetail hunting is on tv. However it quickly turned into a dick measuring competition of how many whitetails he’s killed
 
I think buzz got us way off topic as the point that I was trying to make about portraying the hunting and killing of predators tasteful, tactfully, and professional. As he was doing with how whitetail hunting is on tv. However it quickly turned into a dick measuring competition of how many whitetails he’s killed
Its always funny when I get lecture on hunting whitetail...yeah, been hunting them since 1979. Heading out tomorrow for 24 days of hunting them in MT and WY.

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Might want to consider the audience before you give your next lecture...just sayin'.
 
Wolves most certainly do kill for sport geez……
I’ve witnessed many wolf kills that are left to rot, nose eaten off
back end eaten off etc.
I’ve also witnessed wolves playing games with dead mule deer, tossing them back and forth like a ball.
They are brutal killing machines, they don’t just kill to survive-LOL
You make them sound like they’re barely able to survive, I’ve harvested and seen more than a few others, they have more fat in them than most big game animals. They get along just fine and need to be managed.
 

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