Biological Bias in the One shot hunt units?

elks96 · Mar 21, 2023

So
Just ran the numbers for the units that have one shot tags. It is pretty interesting and will be very interested in finding out the biological
Reasons for minimal cuts in the units despite some very rough winter conditions…
So given high winter mortality the following g units are seeing the proposed cuts….

Unit 65 saw the tag allocation moved from 150 down to 100. A 33% decrease, however they are keeping a pile of type 7 tags that are good in 65 and 66. 75 reduced down from 100… why are we keeping Doe fawn tags if the conditions were bad enough to cut type 1 tags?

Unit 66 went from 125-100… 20% reduction

Unit 67 no cuts at all…keeping all 200 tags despite every surrounding unit getting a cut…

68 moving from 400-350…. Down 12.5%

106 going from 175-150 or 14%

I have a feeling this does not accurately reflect the winter kill in these areas and as a result should raise some questions about the motivation of the managers and why….

I will update what I hear from the meeting this week…

BuzzH · Mar 21, 2023

They commission, via statute, will have to reduce one shot tags.

elks96 · Mar 21, 2023

BuzzH said:
They commission, via statute, will have to reduce one shot tags.

So if the managers cut even more tags would the one shot see even greater cuts?

yotebuster17 · Mar 22, 2023

Call me ignorant but WTF is a “one shot tag”

HikeHunt61 · Mar 22, 2023

yotebuster17 said:
Call me ignorant but WTF is a “one shot tag”

Very brave post. (Just kidding, it's a Wyoming thing)

One Shot Antelope Hunt – A Wyoming Tradition Since 1940

oneshotantelopehunt.com

Lander's One Shot Antelope Hunt Faces Mounting Pressure To "Re-Write The Script"

Every September, 24 hunters gather in Lander and compete to see who can down an antelope with a single bullet. The One Shot Antelope Hunt is an…

www.wyomingpublicmedia.org

It's pretty controversial, and not real popular to most everyday hunters.

yotebuster17 · Mar 22, 2023

HikeHunt61 said:
Very brave post. (Just kidding, it's a Wyoming thing)

One Shot Antelope Hunt – A Wyoming Tradition Since 1940

oneshotantelopehunt.com

Lander's One Shot Antelope Hunt Faces Mounting Pressure To "Re-Write The Script"

Every September, 24 hunters gather in Lander and compete to see who can down an antelope with a single bullet. The One Shot Antelope Hunt is an…

www.wyomingpublicmedia.org

It's pretty controversial, and not real popular to most everyday hunters.

What the heck. I’ve killed 20-25 antelope and can’t say I’ve ever had to use more than one shot.

HikeHunt61 · Mar 22, 2023

And that's probably the least silly thing. Back when I lived in Wyoming I remember the old timers complaining mightily about it- I can only imagine what current residents think. In times where resident hunters feel they don't have enough opportunity, it's just another straw (like NRs are) on the breaking back.

And then there's the exclusivity of it. That usually pisses people off.

junior · Mar 22, 2023

Sad to say, but this (winter kill) is just what the doctor ordered to eliminate the one shot.

elks96 · Mar 22, 2023

HikeHunt61 said:
And that's probably the least silly thing. Back when I lived in Wyoming I remember the old timers complaining mightily about it- I can only imagine what current residents think. In times where resident hunters feel they don't have enough opportunity, it's just another straw (like NRs are) on the breaking back.

And then there's the exclusivity of it. That usually pisses people off.

There is a lot wrong with the one shot hunt. If you look up mountain pursuits independent report on the hunt. It has some pretty telling issues. 80 tags given in an area where residents are lucky to draw a tag once every few years. The revenue for the tags in minimal. In 2018 the one shot hunt with its banquet and its auction and 80 tags raised just under $50,000. Think of that 80 of the top Pronghorn tags in the country and they raised around $650 per tag… it is so
thi g that in the past few years getting a ton of attention. The biggest issue is the hunt is about political favor and pedaling influence. It is not about conservation etc.

Lots more to say…

elks96 · Mar 22, 2023

junior said:
Sad to say, but this (winter kill) is just what the doctor ordered to eliminate the one shot.

I hope people pay attention and start the ball moving. Lots of reason not to support the hunt, but when resident draw odds are getting so low people will have enough…

RookieWYhntr · Mar 22, 2023

yotebuster17 said:
Call me ignorant but WTF is a “one shot tag”

You ignant.

nfh · Mar 22, 2023

I brought up the one shot hunt discussion at a meeting. Nobody in the room had no idea what the hell i was talking about or heard of it.

jm77 · Mar 22, 2023

nfh said:
I brought up the one shot hunt discussion at a meeting. Nobody in the room had no idea what the hell i was talking about or heard of it.

This is the reason they continue to exist. If most sportsman knew about these tags there would be more pressure to end this ridiculous event.

yotebuster17 · Mar 22, 2023

jm77 said:
This is the reason they continue to exist. If most sportsman knew about these tags there would be more pressure to end this ridiculous event.

Wait, so they set aside tags for this pow wow? How do I go about getting me one of these unit 68 one shot tags?!?

BuzzH · Mar 22, 2023

yotebuster17 said:
Wait, so they set aside tags for this pow wow? How do I go about getting me one of these unit 68 one shot tags?!?

It's exclusive, you aren't invited.

May want to give governor Gordon's office a call and inquire about that.

nfh · Mar 22, 2023

One shot could easily apply for tags with parties and do this so called silly event.

How many groups raise money without guaranteed tags?? Answer is several.

When I had a face to face discussion with our governor last year on this topic he had no reply and wanted nothing to do with this topic.

For those that want more info just take a look who gets a tag every year. You will be furious

elks96 · Mar 22, 2023

nfh said:
One shot could easily apply for tags with parties and do this so called silly event.

How many groups raise money without guaranteed tags?? Answer is several.

When I had a face to face discussion with our governor last year on this topic he had no reply and wanted nothing to do with this topic.

For those that want more info just take a look who gets a tag every year. You will be furious

It is all about political flavor and bribes and kick backs… He knows that he has debts owed and that is how they get paid…

BigChiefJ · Mar 23, 2023

If it's rich folks doing One Shot, you figure they could apply for a unit that's mostly private land and pay a rancher/outfitter to have their hunt.

elks96 · Mar 23, 2023

BigChiefJ said:
If it's rich folks doing One Shot, you figure they could apply for a unit that's mostly private land and pay a rancher/outfitter to have their hunt.

There are several undersubscribed units that they could offer the tags from, and not the units with the best public access and some of the highest demand…

nfh · Mar 23, 2023

I have said before and will say it again. I am starting the one shot elk hunt. I shall be given so many late season elk tags that are taken away from you the public. If anyone wants to join my club just PM me. After the hunt we will be sure to copy the one shot hunt and dress up and dance around a fire.

You can only join if you have really good connections with deep pockets and sources.

HikeHunt61 · Mar 23, 2023

nfh said:
I have said before and will say it again. I am starting the one shot elk hunt. I shall be given so many late season elk tags that are taken away from you the public. If anyone wants to join my club just PM me. After the hunt we will be sure to copy the one shot hunt and dress up and dance around a fire.

You can only join if you have really good connections with deep pockets and sources.

Pphh! Weak. I'm moving back to Wyoming, running for Gov. When I win, I will dictate the one-shot Bighorn Sheep hunt. 179 of my favorite buds and those who will line my pockets. That makes 178 checks.

Anyway, that will leave 1 permit left for you rubes. But have no fear! I will also dictate a PP^1000 system!