2023 Permit Numbers?

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Anybody know when we are supposed to see the permit numbers? I thought the whole reason for the March application was that they were going to release permit number before the applications? Is it supposed to come out Thursday (same day apps open)?
Thanks.
 
You will know after the May WB (SFW) meeting. You will be able to change your application at that time if you want.
 
I would imagine the RAC packets will be out very shortly. The WB work session is on April 11th and RAC's start on the 12th.

The proposed numbers will be in the RAC packet.
 
elkantlers said:
You will know after the May WB (SFW) meeting. You will be able to change your application at that time if you want.
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Not true - the application period is from 3/23/2023 - 4/27/2023, so you can't amend your application after 4/27.

Permit #'s will be reviewed at the Wildlife Board working meeting on 4/11, and at all of the Regional RAC meetings from 4/12 - 4/20.
If you are paying attention and tune into the meetings you will have a good idea of where permit #'s will be unit by unit and can amend your application as needed up until 4/27.

Final permit #'s will not be finalized until the Wildlife Board meeting on 5/4 (after the application period has already closed), but the Board typically does not deviate too much from recommended #'s, though this current WB is known to go a bit rogue, so who knows what will happen.

Hopefully in the future the DWR will align permit finalization and the application period so that you can amend your application once you know the final & approved permit #'s.
 
I’d like to see them cut tags again in the Pine Valley unit. It was real bad last year what bucks that were there were small and not many. The unit has such great potential.
 
Tag number RECOMMENDATIONS should be out BEFORE the end of the draw.
The previous years recommendations came out within a week after the old application time table.
I suspect many will be applying near the end of the application deadline because of this.
 
quest said:
I’d like to see them cut tags again in the Pine Valley unit. It was real bad last year what bucks that were there were small and not many. The unit has such great potential.
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Rumor has it there will be a fairly sizable increase.
 
The email today said proposed permit numbers will be in the hunt planner on April 5. That will be closer to approved numbers than last year's permit numbers.
 
(Rumor has it there will be a fairly sizable increase.) Ya I read that too someplace. If I remember right they were talking about cutting tags up north and adding more tags south but none of that makes any sense?
 
Awhile back…. I don’t remember what year… but the buck to doe ratio got to be 22 bucks to 100 does. I think it was agreed at the rack to be 18/100 but then there was a surplus so they added more tags to the Pine Valley unit. That was a good year… if you had a tag. Then they had a fawn survival rate of 35% and that killed the deer herd in that unit so they cut tags but it was too late. I think they should rethink and up the deer ratio to 22/100 and if it gets down below 18/100 then cut tags. I believe that’s right where that unit needs to be. Your thoughts?
 
schoolhousegrizz said:
Where are you hearing this?
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From friends that live in the area that supposedly talked to DWR employees. At least that’s what they claim. They said the last count had a lot more bucks than expected. Not sure where they saw more bucks. I live on the unit as well and the fawn counts are looking much better than the last two years but that’s the only positive.
 
OK!

Thanks!

Do You Know Much About These 2 Units?

This Is What fstop Posted on another Thread:

fstop said:
Southern Utah Pine/Zion units are looking good this winter. High fawn survival and finally some moisture. I would guess the tags will be slightly increased on these units while northern units will see drastic cuts. How drastic, I’m not sure
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I heard there was a very large mountain lion up in the Whipple trail area Pine Valley but nobody wanted to hunt that lion because it was to hard to get to with hounds. I guess at one time that used to be great hunting area.
 
I Doubt All Modern Day Hounders Are PUSSIES!

If There's A Big Tom Somewhere,There's A Hounder Or Should I Say Hounders Willing To Try Him!

quest said:
I heard there was a very large mountain lion up in the Whipple trail area Pine Valley but nobody wanted to hunt that lion because it was to hard to get to with hounds. I guess at one time that used to be great hunting area.
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coltaut said:
From friends that live in the area that supposedly talked to DWR employees. At least that’s what they claim. They said the last count had a lot more bucks than expected. Not sure where they saw more bucks. I live on the unit as well and the fawn counts are looking much better than the last two years but that’s the only positive.
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The biologists are reporting record fawn survival in SW Utah this year. They are saying southern Utah looks really good this year for survival.

Some people won’t believe that, and I can’t help them with that. This is just what the professionals are saying.

You want more deer? You need more fawns to survive. Looks like that is happening.
 
southern Utah units are not coming out of this winter unharmed. To say record survival of fawns is like them saying more deer in Utah than ever before like they did a couple years ago.
 
I like the straight walled cartridge for the HAMS hunts! Break out my Model 94 big bore 375 win.

Lots of elk tags added with that lowering of the age structure 75 more tags proposed in the new top age structure.
 
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As I recall, that was about the recommended number the DWR proposed for Pine Valley last year, but after feedback from the RACs and discussion at the board level, they cut even deeper. It looks like they're sticking to the same recommendation this year.
 
When we look at these permit numbers, do we need to subtract any permits that were pimped out to the expo or conservation organizations? This can be an big issue when you are looking at multiseason hunts that only have 2 permits.
 
I looked over the LE Elk very close. In my opinion they've done a good job of offering more tags and targeting high points holders. I think the age class will stay the same or improve in most units. Reducing the early rifle tags will save a lot of older bulls that are too vulnerable to rifle hunt that early. Guys that know the areas and hunt hard should have good chances at great bulls on mid-season hunts. I'd bet that the total number of bulls killed in most units won't increase much, if they do. With the age class of bulls harvested, maybe dropping slightly. I'd say it's a great direction to move.
 
Fake news the southern units are doing better to justify tag increases. I'm not sure Dutton has 250 deer on the entire unit, and the rest are not much better.
 
If you don’t like the recommendations proposed by the DWR get everyone you know to the rac meetings and let the rac know. Pine valley and beaver should be left alone with the same from last year or cut them again in my opinion.
 
I watched their video on the proposed technology restrictions. Looks like they decided not to restrict scopes on muzzleloaders? Also restricting two way radios to aid in stalking is a game changer, especially for archery hunters
 
Wow! Record numbers of casualties from the worst winter in 80 years and we are ADDING permits on several units and minor changes on others? These recommendations are just not right with what I'm seeing. What we will see during our hikes in May is going to confirm that these numbers are a terrible decision for our deer herds.

As an example, Box Elder has been plastered with snow and winter kill, and has no changes in permits at all? Not 1?

This is bad.......
 
Do a one time 20 percent tag cost hike for 2023 to offset the reduced tags. Why add all those tags. I think these increased numbers are a bad idea, it clearly has be all about the $$.
 
Dax is bringing the heat today. Sounds like the Morgan/Rich Chalk Creek CWMU operators got what they wanted and sounds like Southern Utah is going to be left with the tab.
 
Here is the thing!

Listen UP!!!

You dont like the #'s???? Get your lazy butts to the RACS and WB meetings and share your thoughts of why. Have evidence, not just feel goods. Feel goods dont do a dang thing.

Do I agree with the #'s? Not really. I do think they need to cut or limit all deer tags and cow elk tags in the Northern half of the state. And some of the units in the south. Its not about the $$$. As soon as you realize that, youll be better off.

AND REMEMBER, until bucks give birth to fawns, it doesnt matter.
 
Why did the guy in the video say we are watching things close and if we see signs that more deer are dying then we will reduce tag numbers accordingly. No need to reduce tag numbers, might as well increase the whole state if killing bucks does not matter
 
I don’t understand why they even wait until April to set permit numbers when they never actually make any significant changes. The tag reductions being proposed for northern Utah are not enough to make any difference because you still have more hunters than bucks on the landscape. They only thing that seems to matter is the post-harvest forkhorn to doe ratio, from last year, which probably has nothing to do with current winter survival. Perhaps we might see lower ratio of forkhorns to does next Fall if all the fawns died this winter?
 
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You'll Be In The DAWG House Like Me!

post-harvest forkhorn to doe ratio?

Yup!

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gundog2 said:
I don’t understand why they even wait until April to set permit numbers when they never actually make any significant changes. The tag reductions being proposed for northern Utah are not enough to make any difference because you still have more hunters than bucks on the landscape. They only thing that seems to matter is the post-harvest forkhorn to doe ratio, from last year, which probably has nothing to do with current winter survival. Perhaps we might see lower ratio of forkhorns to does next Fall if all the fawns died this winter?
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What a joke!! 20 plus bulls died in northern/ north eastern Utah . In other post from fstop And no tags cut! Still unlimited for second any bull tags. Wow! Wait until may when everyone goes shed huntin. We will see how many people find winter kill.
They added like 300 limited elk tags.
Deer is another story.
 

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