Henry's Hunt Video on Big Buck

2021 Buck I believe. They were after another buck in the same area this year. About (15) or so "family members" watching those canyons from every angle.
 
Question...... A buck taken with the help of radio guidance is not allowed in the book ?? Is that correct ? Opens up the discussion on whether radio guidance should be allowed ? Without radio's, does this buck run off and not be finished just to die and never be found ?
 
Question...... A buck taken with the help of radio guidance is not allowed in the book ?? Is that correct ? Opens up the discussion on whether radio guidance should be allowed ? Without radio's, does this buck run off and not be finished just to die and never be found ?
Without radios, the first shot would most likely not have taken place anyway.
 
I wonder what the odds are he would have found the buck without the spotters walking him in? At least he got it, I assume before the meat spoiled.
 
Question...... A buck taken with the help of radio guidance is not allowed in the book ?? Is that correct ? Opens up the discussion on whether radio guidance should be allowed ? Without radio's, does this buck run off and not be finished just to die and never be found ?
Hell yeah--fair chase! :ROFLMAO:
 
Sh!t happens, we don't always make the best shots, but they stuck with it and got him killed.

Freaking awesome buck.
In my experience down there, when someone gets the chance at that "target" buck, even if that opportunity is marginal, most are taking the shot and dealing with the after math. last fall I seen a guy fling 7 arrows at a buck from his truck at over 80 yards. The only thing that stopped the barrage was him running out of arrows.
 
Sh!t happens, we don't always make the best shots, but they stuck with it and got him killed.

Freaking awesome buck.
I agree. Most people who've put in some significant time hunting have taken shots they probably shouldn't have and even hit game in bad locations. It's part of the sport.

But I'd agree that it's poor taste to share the video of the deer running around with the arrow sticking out its side. I personally don't like to see that part and certainly wouldn't want that to be part of the memory of the hunt. That's the worst part of hunting in my opinion! Those are the parts of the experience I wish I could wipe from my memory!

As far as the radio's, I don't think it's illegal to use them and so it's just another piece of technology to make hunting easier. Most people have plenty of that type of crap.
At least the hunter stalked in and shot the buck at a very close range. Even with the help of someone on the radio, that's more challenging than sitting on the road with a $5k long range setup shooting the buck at 800 yards.
 
Just sharing more info on the topic. Not inferring anything to the homeboy who plugged the deer. From the P&Y website on fair chase, Fair Chase does not include:

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I agree. Most people who've put in some significant time hunting have taken shots they probably shouldn't have and even hit game in bad locations. It's part of the sport.

But I'd agree that it's poor taste to share the video of the deer running around with the arrow sticking out its side. I personally don't like to see that part and certainly wouldn't want that to be part of the memory of the hunt. That's the worst part of hunting in my opinion! Those are the parts of the experience I wish I could wipe from my memory!

As far as the radio's, I don't think it's illegal to use them and so it's just another piece of technology to make hunting easier. Most people have plenty of that type of crap.
At least the hunter stalked in and shot the buck at a very close range. Even with the help of someone on the radio, that's more challenging than sitting on the road with a $5k long range setup shooting the buck at 800 yards.
I think the stinky part of the whole thing is the fact the video is out there in everyone’s face……don’t think for a second it won’t lead to an effort to make radio use illegal. I never even thought much about the shot or wounding…I been there.
 
I agree. Most people who've put in some significant time hunting have taken shots they probably shouldn't have and even hit game in bad locations. It's part of the sport.

But I'd agree that it's poor taste to share the video of the deer running around with the arrow sticking out its side. I personally don't like to see that part and certainly wouldn't want that to be part of the memory of the hunt. That's the worst part of hunting in my opinion! Those are the parts of the experience I wish I could wipe from my memory!

As far as the radio's, I don't think it's illegal to use them and so it's just another piece of technology to make hunting easier. Most people have plenty of that type of crap.
At least the hunter stalked in and shot the buck at a very close range. Even with the help of someone on the radio, that's more challenging than sitting on the road with a $5k long range setup shooting the buck at 800 yards.
I agree, not sure I would have shared all of what they did as well. But it is still an awesome buck.

As far as the radios go, those will be illegal to use in this manner after this year, in utah. it is part of the technology package that the Wildlife board will be voting on next month.
 
that's more challenging than sitting on the road with a $5k long range setup shooting the buck at 800 yards.
I’d rather see that than some slob that obviously just picked up a bow for the first time in his life a week before this hunt. At least with a sighted in gun there’s a chance of hitting where they aim. You see the target practice session of the video? When will we finally have some sort of proficiency test for people to buy archery tags?

I’d also love to be able to put one of my guns together for 5k. Let me know who does your builds for you.
 
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No electronic communication to assist with a stalk is just a recommendation at this point. It has not passed and is not the law yet.

Stay tuned for the May board meeting.

Regardless of anything else, that is one fantasticly cool mule deer.
Yep my bad in saying they were banned already (my sense is they will be banned for sure). This video and guides/outfitters who have a guy on every ridge with a radio certainly does no favors to keeping them legal.
 
It seems to me that we keep regulating certain activities because guides and outfitters are ruining it, and then it really ends up hurting the average Joe.

Maybe we ought to just ban guides and outfitters instead?

(I say that in jest...kind of)
 
It seems to me that we keep regulating certain activities because guides and outfitters are ruining it, and then it really ends up hurting the average Joe.

Maybe we ought to just ban guides and outfitters instead?

(I say that in jest...kind of)
Being a guide, this sort of thing pisses me off to no end. Most if not all the big name guides are doing whatever it takes to get the biggest critter on the mountain. Has honestly made me step away from guiding much at all. The only job I ever quit on the spot was a guiding job. Unfortunately for an outfit that everyone on this forum would recognize. Sadly, many of the biggest name outfitters are cheating the system one way or another. So I don't disagree with what you're saying. Spotters, camera's, baiting, night vision... All of the above. Corrupt practices go down all the time. We've all seen that with multiple allegations involving some big outfits recently.
There's another thread discussing the health and quality of the Henry's deer herd. I would argue outfitters have impacted the quality of that mountain as much as anything else.
Law enforcement needs to do a much better job enforcing these laws. Wouldn't take much effort on their end. Find a high peak with some big glass on the Henry's during the hunt, and it wouldn't take long to see what is going on.
 
It seems to me that we keep regulating certain activities because guides and outfitters are ruining it, and then it really ends up hurting the average Joe.

Maybe we ought to just ban guides and outfitters instead?

(I say that in jest...kind of)
I actually think that would solve a lot of issues in Utah and hunting in general. Maybe not an all out ban, but getting guides and outfitters in check with regard to fair chase and impact to other sportsman would be a great step in the right direction.
 
In my opinion that ordeal isn’t even hunting ! If it takes that many people with radios to kill a deer how could you even be proud of it ? That’s no “hunter” there …….not at all !
Ever heard of the spider bull? Well buckle up for that one!!
 
It will be really difficult to enforce. And most hunters will still use them.
The Wasatch front will be at a new level of difficulty. Radios played a major role in most of the stalks on the front.
 
It will be really difficult to enforce. And most hunters will still use them.
The Wasatch front will be at a new level of difficulty. Radios played a major role in most of the stalks on the front.
Very true on difficulty enforcing…..but it will sure cut down on public posting…..
 
Guys on the front use cell phones with great coverage everywhere - hope the law is written to include all electronic devices (guessing that it will be) rather than specific to radios, but you never know.
 
Guys on the front use cell phones with great coverage everywhere - hope the law is written to include all electronic devices (guessing that it will be) rather than specific to radios, but you never know.
The proposed rule says "electronic communication." It is only proposed to prohibit the use to aid in the stalking of a specific big game animal.

Here is the specific language saying a person may not use:
(e) electronic communication to receive real-time information on hunter or game location to aid in the stalking of a specific big game animal.

And then they define "stalking" as:
(x) “Stalking” means when game has been located and the hunter engages in deliberate movements, on foot, in an effort to harvest the located game.

I personally do not agree with this part of the rule proposal. I think the technology committee should be focused on emerging technology, not stuff that has been around for decades and is well-established in the hunting traditions. But like most situations, we get new rules when people abuse the systems we have. It doesn't take many to spoil it for the whole bunch.
 
Guys on the front use cell phones with great coverage everywhere - hope the law is written to include all electronic devices (guessing that it will be) rather than specific to radios, but you never know.
uh....guys in every state with cell service use the phone.....texting is quiet....someone probably makes a set of heads up display sunglasses....
 
What a disgusting video. What a display of great hunting skills, being guided in by radio then taking a poor shot hitting the deer in the ass just to get an arrow in him. I'd be embarrassed to post a video like that. Sad state that hunting has deteriorated to.
Wes
 
In my opinion that ordeal isn’t even hunting ! If it takes that many people with radios to kill a deer how could you even be proud of it ? That’s no “hunter” there …….not at all !
Just sharing more info on the topic. Not inferring anything to the homeboy who plugged the deer. From the P&Y website on fair chase, Fair Chase does not include:

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Thank you so much for posting this!!!

Boone and Crockett says the same thing. This says it LOUD and CLEAR!!!

Another thing that turns my stomach is “teams”of guys doing this on the wasatch front or anywhere else. Five, six or seven spotters on a sheep hunt? That’s no good either,
 
That was tuff to watch!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I did though and wish I wouldn't have!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:sneaky:(n)
 
Hey guys, this is Garett Smith. I own Alpha Outfitters. I’ve built my business by respecting everyone and believing everyone’s opinion matters. That being said I know we’re not always going to see eye to eye and have the exact same beliefs and I know some of you don’t like outfitters. I love hunting big animals and couldn’t afford the tags so guiding was my way I found to do what I love. To answer some of your questions why it was posted, I had my little boy with me on a few of the scouting trips and it was a buck I had allot of history with and the whole hunt was pretty special to me. The deer was quartering pretty hard and was actually hit a little better than appears. I’ll admit it wasn’t perfect and some don’t believe in radios but they are legal and I really enjoy them being able to be involved in that way and play an important role in a tag I will never have myself. The deer was dead within 15 minutes of being hit the first time. I’ll admit once again that I wish it would have went perfectly but due to radios and great teamwork the deer was killed as quick as possible in a not perfect situation. At the end of the day I’m pretty proud of this hunt. I can’t control everything but I thought we did the best we could with what we were given and made the best of it. I’m sorry if it offended some but my intention was to show a big buck and an awesome hunt and a taste of what we do. I can’t control shot placement but I also talked the hunter within a range I thought we had limited the possibility of mistakes and done everything we could to make it a great experience. This is just hunting and anyone that says different is extremely lucky or full of bull. Like I say I respect all of your opinions but hope that gives a little insight as to why it was posted. Thanks to all that enjoyed the work and years that went into that buck.
 
Hey guys, this is Garett Smith. I own Alpha Outfitters. I’ve built my business by respecting everyone and believing everyone’s opinion matters. That being said I know we’re not always going to see eye to eye and have the exact same beliefs and I know some of you don’t like outfitters. I love hunting big animals and couldn’t afford the tags so guiding was my way I found to do what I love. To answer some of your questions why it was posted, I had my little boy with me on a few of the scouting trips and it was a buck I had allot of history with and the whole hunt was pretty special to me. The deer was quartering pretty hard and was actually hit a little better than appears. I’ll admit it wasn’t perfect and some don’t believe in radios but they are legal and I really enjoy them being able to be involved in that way and play an important role in a tag I will never have myself. The deer was dead within 15 minutes of being hit the first time. I’ll admit once again that I wish it would have went perfectly but due to radios and great teamwork the deer was killed as quick as possible in a not perfect situation. At the end of the day I’m pretty proud of this hunt. I can’t control everything but I thought we did the best we could with what we were given and made the best of it. I’m sorry if it offended some but my intention was to show a big buck and an awesome hunt and a taste of what we do. I can’t control shot placement but I also talked the hunter within a range I thought we had limited the possibility of mistakes and done everything we could to make it a great experience. This is just hunting and anyone that says different is extremely lucky or full of bull. Like I say I respect all of your opinions but hope that gives a little insight as to why it was posted. Thanks to all that enjoyed the work and years that went into that buck.
Whether the buck was hit good, bad or missed doesn’t matter at all. It’s not fair chase, but it is legal . I will give you that.
 
Whether the buck was hit good, bad or missed doesn’t matter at all. It’s not fair chase, but it is legal . I will give you that.
Like I said, I’m not sure that there is a right answer on that. I was raised hunting with them and in the way I use them they help me enjoy the role I can play in a hunt and makes it allot of fun for me. I’m not arguing anyone’s opinion on them but they are part of the hunting culture I’m used to and like I say, bring me a ton of joy. As long as they are legal I will continue to use them. That being said there are tons of tools I think play a more significant role in fairchase and don’t affect the enjoyment multiple people can have in a hunt. Which I feel is a silly thing to target with the point creep problem. I think we should be making it as easy as possible for multiple people to enjoy a tag they’ll never have. Like I say, I’m not ignorant to the fact that we’re all not going to have the same beliefs. Good luck this season!
 
Whether the buck was hit good, bad or missed doesn’t matter at all. It’s not fair chase, but it is legal . I will give you that.
Is shooting a buck from 1000 yards away "fair chase"??? Hell is 500 yards? An archery hunter being guided into archery range of a buck with a radio and a spotter is a hell of a lot more fair chase than a guy shooting it with a rifle from the position of the guy with the radio.
 
Appreciate you chiming in and adding context. Bad shots can and do happen, I think we can all agree.

What you boys did was apparently legal and ultimately successful, so kudos on a big buck.

As a hunter education instructor, it's disappointing you posted the video as edited. Unfortunately, it provides me another example to use in my classes as a talking point about ethics, public perception of hunters, etc.

In my opinion, a little discretion on the editing would have been cool.
 
Is shooting a buck from 1000 yards away "fair chase"??? Hell is 500 yards? An archery hunter being guided into archery range of a buck with a radio and a spotter is a hell of a lot more fair chase than a guy shooting it with a rifle from the position of the guy with the radio.
I don’t support this long range shooting business either which is why I think rangefinders should be banned. One man’s opinion.

Yes it takes a lot of skill, knowledge, etc, to precisely place a bullet at 400 yds plus but let’s see you do it without a rangefinder.

Also, Alpha has taken his fair share of heat for this hunt and it’s a common practice so I appreciate his responding
 
Like I said, I’m not sure that there is a right answer on that. I was raised hunting with them and in the way I use them they help me enjoy the role I can play in a hunt and makes it allot of fun for me. I’m not arguing anyone’s opinion on them but they are part of the hunting culture I’m used to and like I say, bring me a ton of joy. As long as they are legal I will continue to use them. That being said there are tons of tools I think play a more significant role in fairchase and don’t affect the enjoyment multiple people can have in a hunt. Which I feel is a silly thing to target with the point creep problem. I think we should be making it as easy as possible for multiple people to enjoy a tag they’ll never have. Like I say, I’m not ignorant to the fact that we’re all not going to have the same beliefs. Good luck this season!
I have no doubt you have good intentions and have total respect for you coming on here to take accountability for the video.
Having said that, I think we all need to think a little harder about the impact that our actions and videos have on public perception and the good of our sport.
I am sure using radios brings you enjoyment as you say, just as I am sure long range rifle hunters love the challenge of making a long shot, but to the majority, these actions (and many others like having spotters on every ridge) just oozes of “kill at all costs” mentality. I especially think this is a HUGE issue for guides/outfitters and all of the YouTube and Instagram warriors. Kill no matter what to get that trophy and to get that “content”.

I am not telling anyone WHAT to do, but I do wish all of us would be honest with ourselves and reevaluate WHY we do what we do.??‍♂️
 
The WB has passed the recommendation to ban the use of two way communication as an aid to take game.

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As Jake pointed out, the restriction is for HAMS and Restricted Hunts.
 
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The WB has passed the recommendation to ban the use of two way communication as an aid to take game.
I thought they only limited it to the restricted weapons hunts? Maybe I misunderstood the discussion as i was busy doing other things while I listened to it but I know it was discussed heavily.
 
I thought they only limited it to the restricted weapons hunts? Maybe I misunderstood the discussion as i was busy doing other things while I listened to it but I know it was discussed heavily.
You may be correct Jake, I'll dig into it.
I know it was recommended for all big game hunting, but the WB may have compromised.
 
Appreciate you chiming in and adding context. Bad shots can and do happen, I think we can all agree.

What you boys did was apparently legal and ultimately successful, so kudos on a big buck.

As a hunter education instructor, it's disappointing you posted the video as edited. Unfortunately, it provides me another example to use in my classes as a talking point about ethics, public perception of hunters, etc.

In my opinion, a little discretion on the editing would have been cool.
I appreciate everyone’s input. When I posted the video I honestly thought it showed a timely and efficient ending to a not perfect situation and even perhaps a little educational value was why I posted it as is. I do appreciate everyone’s input and will keep it in mind for future videos.
 
I have no doubt you have good intentions and have total respect for you coming on here to take accountability for the video.
Having said that, I think we all need to think a little harder about the impact that our actions and videos have on public perception and the good of our sport.
I am sure using radios brings you enjoyment as you say, just as I am sure long range rifle hunters love the challenge of making a long shot, but to the majority, these actions (and many others like having spotters on every ridge) just oozes of “kill at all costs” mentality. I especially think this is a HUGE issue for guides/outfitters and all of the YouTube and Instagram warriors. Kill no matter what to get that trophy and to get that “content”.

I am not telling anyone WHAT to do, but I do wish all of us would be honest with ourselves and reevaluate WHY we do what we do.??‍♂️
I don’t disagree with you. With the new laws we’re only allowed to have one guide and one spotter which in most situations is far less than the public hunter. As an outfitter I have to follow the laws stricter than anyone knowing we’re the ones being looked at the most and my livelihood depends on being able to do my job for as long as possible. I think it is actually a good thing. We all hunt because we love it and whatever can be done to find a happy medium to ensure all parties enjoy their time hunting is a win in my opinion. I can’t speak for all outfitters but I’ve built my business around a small group of guys that are family to me and promote our way of doing things. When it’s all said and done for me I hope we’ve left a good image in all of your eyes and bring a new light to our industry. It’s an uphill battle but we’re giving her hell. We wish you all a successful and enjoyable hunting season.
 
I don’t disagree with you. With the new laws we’re only allowed to have one guide and one spotter which in most situations is far less than the public hunter. As an outfitter I have to follow the laws stricter than anyone knowing we’re the ones being looked at the most and my livelihood depends on being able to do my job for as long as possible. I think it is actually a good thing. We all hunt because we love it and whatever can be done to find a happy medium to ensure all parties enjoy their time hunting is a win in my opinion. I can’t speak for all outfitters but I’ve built my business around a small group of guys that are family to me and promote our way of doing things. When it’s all said and done for me I hope we’ve left a good image in all of your eyes and bring a new light to our industry. It’s an uphill battle but we’re giving her hell. We wish you all a successful and enjoyable hunting season.
Respectable post ?
 
I don’t disagree with you. With the new laws we’re only allowed to have one guide and one spotter which in most situations is far less than the public hunter. As an outfitter I have to follow the laws stricter than anyone knowing we’re the ones being looked at the most and my livelihood depends on being able to do my job for as long as possible. I think it is actually a good thing. We all hunt because we love it and whatever can be done to find a happy medium to ensure all parties enjoy their time hunting is a win in my opinion. I can’t speak for all outfitters but I’ve built my business around a small group of guys that are family to me and promote our way of doing things. When it’s all said and done for me I hope we’ve left a good image in all of your eyes and bring a new light to our industry. It’s an uphill battle but we’re giving her hell. We wish you all a successful and enjoyable hunting season.
Thanks Garett-I respect you for coming on here and appreciate your response. Good luck this fall!
 
It seems to me that we keep regulating certain activities because guides and outfitters are ruining it, and then it really ends up hurting the average Joe.

Maybe we ought to just ban guides and outfitters instead?

(I say that in jest...kind of)
I think guiding and outfitting should only be allowed on private ground... Draw hunters shouldn't be competing against thousands of man-hours of an outfitter.

But, if this happened, they wouldn't he able to auction off those tags at the Expo every year. ?
 

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