App Count 2023

From G&F email:

285,363 applications were submitted for 61,400 deer, elk, antelope, oryx, ibex, bighorn sheep, Barbary sheep and javelina licenses.

Looked at previous emails/posts, this number is right on par with 2021. 2022 was about 8K less.
Is there a way to see how many individuals applied or the average number of applications per individual?

My brother and I submitted 9 applications.
 
Yes, that information is public record - you just need to submit the request to the Game and Fish office.

Remember, each application normally has 3 choices each. Those 3 choices are made up of all the applicants listed on the application.

If there were 3 applicants on 1 application, then there were 3 applicants applying for each hunt code on that application (3 for choice 1, 3 for choice 2, 3 for choice 3). Total the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd choices for all the hunt codes and divide by 3 to get the total average number of people that applied.
 
I worked with a dip **** coworker who girlfriend who doesn’t own a rifle drew a prime deer tag and never even attempted to go hunt. And he also drew and never went on the hunt. I told him that was a dip **** move and should never apply again or bother to apply again.
Frustrating huh… my friend and his daughter drew 16a 2nd archery this year , they’ve never even shot a bow much less hunted with one. I’m sure it’ll be a band of campers filled with beer playing rancheras for 10 days up there ????‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️
 
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Frustrating huh… my friend and his daughter drew 16a 2nd archery this year , they’ve never even shot a bow much less hunted with one. I’m sure it’ll be a band of campers filled with beer playing rancheras for 10 days up there ????‍♂️??‍♂️??‍♂️
Keep them away from me please…… ?
 
Be careful what you wish for. The day that hunting loses popularity is the day public land hunting goes away. The progressives would shut hunting down in a hot second.
As someone mentioned in another thread, public land hunting would go first and then eventually private land, though it would hold out longer.
This is why the search engines and MSM pushed the popularity of hunting decreasing lie so much in last 10 years. They try to create that narrative, but, reality says otherwise.
Serious hunters evolve when opportunities diminish. This is why you see more people helping friends with hunts. Almost as good. 20 years ago did you see pictures with 5 or 6 people in the photo? Now its common.
Much of my hunting this year will be accompanying other people on their hunts. I dig it.
Public land hunting is what keeps me going, its getting tougher, but, that is just the reality we have to accept if we want it at all.
 
Be careful what you wish for. The day that hunting loses popularity is the day public land hunting goes away. The progressives would shut hunting down in a hot second.
As someone mentioned in another thread, public land hunting would go first and then eventually private land, though it would hold out longer.
This is why the search engines and MSM pushed the popularity of hunting decreasing lie so much in last 10 years. They try to create that narrative, but, reality says otherwise.
Serious hunters evolve when opportunities diminish. This is why you see more people helping friends with hunts. Almost as good. 20 years ago did you see pictures with 5 or 6 people in the photo? Now its common.
Much of my hunting this year will be accompanying other people on their hunts. I dig it.
Public land hunting is what keeps me going, its getting tougher, but, that is just the reality we have to accept if we want it at all.
Man I hate when you make sense Pablo
 
Certainly don't dissagree. I hunt with friends, they seem to draw tags somehow. I'm only venting lol.

I have drawn two tags out of random chance in my entire application career. Both have been spring bear tags. The last 8 years I have had over 20 apps in accross a few states. As a strategy apply for 3-6% draw odds when available, which statistically says I should draw at a given rate if you look at all the apps (there are lies, damn lies, then they're are statistics). I can't pull a ungulate tag to save my flippin life!! The damn is about to break, and this years draws arent over yet!!

All of that aside I get to archery hunt every year and am not mad at anyone who draws a tag, it can be as I stated, a bit depressing however. Let me have my tear soaked opinion!! lol
 
Certainly don't dissagree. I hunt with friends, they seem to draw tags somehow. I'm only venting lol.

I have drawn two tags out of random chance in my entire application career. Both have been spring bear tags. The last 8 years I have had over 20 apps in accross a few states. As a strategy apply for 3-6% draw odds when available, which statistically says I should draw at a given rate if you look at all the apps (there are lies, damn lies, then they're are statistics). I can't pull a ungulate tag to save my flippin life!! The damn is about to break, and this years draws arent over yet!!

All of that aside I get to archery hunt every year and am not mad at anyone who draws a tag, it can be as I stated, a bit depressing however. Let me have my tear soaked opinion!! lol

Especially when those people draw the very same hunts you apply for over and over and over...
 
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I had to ??
My buddy sent me this and I thought about this thread !
 
This is a very interesting thread and I would like to throw something in the mix to see what you guys think. I was reading what Paul wrote in this thread about how the only thing that keeps our passion alive is the amount of people that are interested in hunting. I completely agree with this perspective that Paul gave and that tougher draw odds is a natural course that will continue.
But where I have an issue is how G&F over the years have ran campaigns through social media to get people to apply. We have all read the responses of people on these Social Media posts ranging from "when is the deadline," or "I would be happy to apply if they would print some proclamations." These people have enough tech knowledge to log into FB or Tinder but they are too lazy to check the G&F website to see that there is a calendar that shows important dates, and a link to publications.
I have always felt that getting your apps in is part of the process of hunting and it should be on you to get it done. If someone is so incompetent or lazy that they can't find these easy to find resources, then can you really rely on them to tell the difference from a Bighorn vs a Barbary sheep, a FAWTD vs a FAMD, or to even pay attention to what land they are on or the rules that go with that land? Do these people actually even read any of the rules to hunting? A few years back while hunting with my dad a gentlemen asked us at camp if we could help him recover his mule deer, it was bigger than he expected. Well it turned out to be a really nice bull elk. I was on the first archery elk in 53 and came across a person hunting Turkey. I explained to them that unit 53 was not open to fall turkey. Their response was "eh, I do not see any game wardens around." how many times have we read about someone in CO shooting a moose while elk hunting?
Right now our passion is being flooded with people that want nothing more than to post a picture of themselves with a trophy animal on social media and have never been taught anything about ethics, etiquette in the field, or how to properly identify an animal. How many of you have come across a road that is closed to motorized vehicles at which point you get out and walk the rest of the way just to hear an ATV or side by side coming up that road that is closed? Some of you may not agree with the use of trail cameras, but I am confident that all of you on this forum would not steal a camera or someones hunting blind. Why? Because you all have been taught to leave other peoples property alone. I did draw a turkey tag in GMU 8 and I am loving it. But yesterday I encountered another hunter in the field that had his blind stolen, he found it set up a few hundred yards away. You would think that on a hunt like this that people carrying tags wouldn't do that kind of garbage.
Hunter Safety was actually a pretty influential experience for me as a kid. I remember a lot of discussions about ethics and etiquette in the field and how doing the right thing is not about the likelihood of getting caught, but that doing the right thing is the right thing to do. In my opinion, I feel like much of this has been lost over the years, with exception to those who either attended Hunter Safety or had a positive role model with them in the field growing up.
So my rant is leading to I think that Hunter Safety should be a requirement for all people wishing to apply for hunts in NM. I know many may disagree but take a moment and think of all the liabilities and potential for incidents that goes with each license that the department issues every year. I feel like the way the department campaigns for more applications with little requirements to be met by applicants is nothing more than "here is you tag, please don't do anything to hurt our heritage."
If Hunter Safety was a requirement in order to apply it would discourage those that do not really care about hunting from applying. This may lead to less apps, but I think that quality representation outweighs quantity of representation. And yes it would help improve our draw odds. I wanted to be sure to mention that before somebody called me out on that haha. Thoughts?
 
So my rant is leading to I think that Hunter Safety should be a requirement for all people wishing to apply for hunts in NM. I know many may disagree but take a moment and think of all the liabilities and potential for incidents that goes with each license that the department issues every year. I feel like the way the department campaigns for more applications with little requirements to be met by applicants is nothing more than "here is you tag, please don't do anything to hurt our heritage."
If Hunter Safety was a requirement in order to apply it would discourage those that do not really care about hunting from applying. This may lead to less apps, but I think that quality representation outweighs quantity of representation. And yes it would help improve our draw odds. I wanted to be sure to mention that before somebody called me out on that haha. Thoughts?

Absolutely agree. Hunters Safety should be a requirement to apply with no grace period on age (aka birthdate before 19xx).
 
My wife and I said the same thing last night during dinner.

I know quite a few people wanting to be first time hunters which is great. However, many of them really don't know what to do and how to even comfortably handle a rifle.

They should nit be allowed to apply until they've paid their dues, essentially like any youth hunter, with the successful completion of a hunter safety course AND live fire session with a firearm.
 
This is a very interesting thread and I would like to throw something in the mix to see what you guys think. I was reading what Paul wrote in this thread about how the only thing that keeps our passion alive is the amount of people that are interested in hunting. I completely agree with this perspective that Paul gave and that tougher draw odds is a natural course that will continue.
But where I have an issue is how G&F over the years have ran campaigns through social media to get people to apply. We have all read the responses of people on these Social Media posts ranging from "when is the deadline," or "I would be happy to apply if they would print some proclamations." These people have enough tech knowledge to log into FB or Tinder but they are too lazy to check the G&F website to see that there is a calendar that shows important dates, and a link to publications.
I have always felt that getting your apps in is part of the process of hunting and it should be on you to get it done. If someone is so incompetent or lazy that they can't find these easy to find resources, then can you really rely on them to tell the difference from a Bighorn vs a Barbary sheep, a FAWTD vs a FAMD, or to even pay attention to what land they are on or the rules that go with that land? Do these people actually even read any of the rules to hunting? A few years back while hunting with my dad a gentlemen asked us at camp if we could help him recover his mule deer, it was bigger than he expected. Well it turned out to be a really nice bull elk. I was on the first archery elk in 53 and came across a person hunting Turkey. I explained to them that unit 53 was not open to fall turkey. Their response was "eh, I do not see any game wardens around." how many times have we read about someone in CO shooting a moose while elk hunting?
Right now our passion is being flooded with people that want nothing more than to post a picture of themselves with a trophy animal on social media and have never been taught anything about ethics, etiquette in the field, or how to properly identify an animal. How many of you have come across a road that is closed to motorized vehicles at which point you get out and walk the rest of the way just to hear an ATV or side by side coming up that road that is closed? Some of you may not agree with the use of trail cameras, but I am confident that all of you on this forum would not steal a camera or someones hunting blind. Why? Because you all have been taught to leave other peoples property alone. I did draw a turkey tag in GMU 8 and I am loving it. But yesterday I encountered another hunter in the field that had his blind stolen, he found it set up a few hundred yards away. You would think that on a hunt like this that people carrying tags wouldn't do that kind of garbage.
Hunter Safety was actually a pretty influential experience for me as a kid. I remember a lot of discussions about ethics and etiquette in the field and how doing the right thing is not about the likelihood of getting caught, but that doing the right thing is the right thing to do. In my opinion, I feel like much of this has been lost over the years, with exception to those who either attended Hunter Safety or had a positive role model with them in the field growing up.
So my rant is leading to I think that Hunter Safety should be a requirement for all people wishing to apply for hunts in NM. I know many may disagree but take a moment and think of all the liabilities and potential for incidents that goes with each license that the department issues every year. I feel like the way the department campaigns for more applications with little requirements to be met by applicants is nothing more than "here is you tag, please don't do anything to hurt our heritage."
If Hunter Safety was a requirement in order to apply it would discourage those that do not really care about hunting from applying. This may lead to less apps, but I think that quality representation outweighs quantity of representation. And yes it would help improve our draw odds. I wanted to be sure to mention that before somebody called me out on that haha. Thoughts?
Extending the deadline is a good example of what you are saying. Frustrating to say the least. I heard the number of people that applied after the deadline and it was substantial. I get it. NMGF cashed in on a bunch more license fees, but, a deadline really should be a deadline.
 
Requiring HS for everyone would also eliminate (most of) the anti-hunters who apply for sought after tags and then just burn them. I honestly have no idea the extent it's happening in NM, but know for a fact it happens for hunts like AK brown bear, etc. so have no doubt it happens here.
 
This POS governor has attracted attention from the the most volatile, disgusting, radical leftists in the country . Including PETA, I bet it’s happening here in a huge way!
I am going to touch on something RetiredArmGuy said That has never crossed my mind.
He mentioned G&F campaigning for the draw on social media, I’m going to assume FaKebook and instagram, I don’t have social media aside from here. I do NOT agree with them broadcasting the draw the draw the way he tells it. If anything they might use sites like these , why feel the need to make such a push to ALL the public over social media ? If it’s not to alert all , even the anti hunter , and also to grab any and every 7$ available ?
I’m in agree with him here as well.
 
This POS governor has attracted attention from the the most volatile, disgusting, radical leftists in the country . Including PETA, I bet it’s happening here in a huge way!
I am going to touch on something RetiredArmGuy said That has never crossed my mind.
He mentioned G&F campaigning for the draw on social media, I’m going to assume FaKebook and instagram, I don’t have social media aside from here. I do NOT agree with them broadcasting the draw the draw the way he tells it. If anything they might use sites like these , why feel the need to make such a push to ALL the public over social media ? If it’s not to alert all , even the anti hunter , and also to grab any and every 7$ available ?
I’m in agree with him here as well.
Agree with you Bugle. Social media doesn’t seem to me like the best place to recruit new people to the sport/obsession. I’d rather see that happen with mentoring or parenting, but reality is it’s 2023, and that won’t do much and huntings’ future does rely on public support. Don’t think the newspaper will work either.

I like the idea of required hunter ed….not bc I want to limit newbies, but bc I had a bad experience with a newbie years ago that had no respect for the rifle he was carrying. Wasn’t a bad guy, just had no friggin idea. I didn’t stick around for the whole hunt because I didn’t feel safe. A basic course would have been helpful there…. Im sure there’s a lot of examples like that out there, especially from anyone that decides hunting should be their next hobby via Facebook.

Honestly don’t know what’s best for Game and Fish to do to encourage the right kind of interest. I’m good with them getting revenue, at $7 per app, bc I want to believe they do good things with it. Honestly don’t know. As always, I think Game and Fish has a tough decision and a tough job.
 
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I worked with a dip **** coworker who girlfriend who doesn’t own a rifle drew a prime deer tag and never even attempted to go hunt. And he also drew and never went on the hunt. I told him that was a dip **** move and should never apply again or bother to apply again.
My co worker drew elk unit 6B last year first time putting in ever. He had never shot a bow in his life then decided it was too expensive for everything so he just didn't go on the hunt! I have been putting in for years and haven't pulled a elk tag. I would give my left nut for that hunt ?
 
My co worker drew elk unit 6B last year first time putting in ever. He had never shot a bow in his life then decided it was too expensive for everything so he just didn't go on the hunt! I have been putting in for years and haven't pulled a elk tag. I would give my left nut for that hunt ?

I'd give mine for a much lesser hunt right about now...
 
I’ve been reading all the posts since the draw happened.
Wife and I didn’t draw squat, but yesterday she and I went to ABQ to do some errand. Stopped at cabelas, there were two individuals looking at muzzleloaders cause they had drawn a unit 15 muzzleloader hunt. However they were telling the sales person that they knew nothing about muzzleloading and had no clue what they needed. This two individuals also stated that this was their first time applying for any hunts ever. I overheard one individual say to the other, I’m not sure I’m going to like this expensive thing. Maybe I’ll just tag along with you and not hunt myself since I’m totally lost. Wife And I were in disbelief on the conversation we overhead.
WTF is going on here. Two clueless individuals draw a prime tag and they have no idea of what is needed for their hunts. Sumbeach this really bites the BIGONE BAD…
 
Monster, I have friends who work/hang out at Hit or Miss Archery shop in ABQ and the stories they tell like this are shocking. At least you saw people trying to get their weapons months in advance. I've heard LOTS of stories of people trying to buy bows for their first foray into bowhunting, only weeks or days before a hunt...
 
Monster, I have friends who work/hang out at Hit or Miss Archery shop in ABQ and the stories they tell like this are shocking. At least you saw people trying to get their weapons months in advance. I've heard LOTS of stories of people trying to buy bows for their first foray into bowhunting, only weeks or days before a hunt...
Same here. I took my bow in last month for a new string. Has been off since then. Took it back two days ago, they touched up the tuning. A few people in there talking about the tags they drew, never bow hunted before and couldn’t afford a bow until probably august. We’re just looking. Just shook my head. I shoot year round whether I draw a tag or not. Couldn’t imagine doing that. Buying a bow or gun just before a hunt, having never used that type of equipment before.
 
Love to hear of new people getting into the sport. I hope they find a mentor or 2 that helps them out. I am with NMPaul, as long as I have a tag to plan, stress, work, sweat and in the end eat tag soup, I have as much fun helping others, especially first time hunters. Buck fever!!! Can hit that target at the range to 300 yeards, can't hit a deer 100 yards away standing broadside.
 
Monster, I have friends who work/hang out at Hit or Miss Archery shop in ABQ and the stories they tell like this are shocking. At least you saw people trying to get their weapons months in advance. I've heard LOTS of stories of people trying to buy bows for their first foray into bowhunting, only weeks or days before a hunt...
Should apply the 15 day cooling off period for these Patagonia wearing IG influencers..
 
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Monster, I have friends who work/hang out at Hit or Miss Archery shop in ABQ and the stories they tell like this are shocking. At least you saw people trying to get their weapons months in advance. I've heard LOTS of stories of people trying to buy bows for their first foray into bowhunting, only weeks or days before a hunt...
I’ve seen people walk in in august and ask yo “RENT “a bow for September 1st…. Pretty crappy
 
Love to hear of new people getting into the sport. I hope they find a mentor or 2 that helps them out. I am with NMPaul, as long as I have a tag to plan, stress, work, sweat and in the end eat tag soup, I have as much fun helping others, especially first time hunters. Buck fever!!! Can hit that target at the range to 300 yeards, can't hit a deer 100 yards away standing broadside.
Don’t get me wrong, I love to get new people in the sport also. But only if they’re willing to work.
 
Monster, I have friends who work/hang out at Hit or Miss Archery shop in ABQ and the stories they tell like this are shocking. At least you saw people trying to get their weapons months in advance. I've heard LOTS of stories of people trying to buy bows for their first foray into bowhunting, only weeks or days before a hunt...
I’ll be working there to help over the summer Carl if you go in I’m sure I’ll see you. Anyone else I’m ocho as name says if anyone from here goes in.

Had a 73 year old lady draw 15 2nd hunt archery elk and said it’s on her bucket list before she dies. She unfortunately could not even pull and 11# genisis kids bow back. It’s all to common and even people that have there own bows and shoot occasionally are most of the time under prepared. We have weekly 3D leagues there Tuesday night and up scba on Thursday. I highly highly recommend this for novice bow hunter or most experienced. I shoot’s a lot of comps and this really helps!!

Unless hunter safety is mandatory it will stay like this. And even than, with in class teachings essentially dwindling away and going to all online not even sure it would help. Anyone who has taken there kids knows there is definitely value in this!

All we can do is try to ensure we help and teach everyone we know! Good luck!
 
I’ll be working there to help over the summer Carl if you go in I’m sure I’ll see you. Anyone else I’m ocho as name says if anyone from here goes in.

Had a 73 year old lady draw 15 2nd hunt archery elk and said it’s on her bucket list before she dies. She unfortunately could not even pull and 11# genisis kids bow back. It’s all to common and even people that have there own bows and shoot occasionally are most of the time under prepared. We have weekly 3D leagues there Tuesday night and up scba on Thursday. I highly highly recommend this for novice bow hunter or most experienced. I shoot’s a lot of comps and this really helps!!

Unless hunter safety is mandatory it will stay like this. And even than, with in class teachings essentially dwindling away and going to all online not even sure it would help. Anyone who has taken there kids knows there is definitely value in this!

All we can do is try to ensure we help and teach everyone we know! Good luck!
You can shoot but did you draw ??
 
Evryone buying a new bow drew and the reason they are buying a new bow. They don’t have one and a guaranteed way to draw!

Two guys came in a both drew BHS! And another friend additionally. The guy specifically today said he drew Gorge ram on his 3rd choice as he said he never thought he’d get ram so he did ewe hunts first! ?

I have no choice but to laugh anymore it’s passed the kissed off it’s par for the course!! I have lots of bows, muzzle and riffles so naturally I don’t draw. I’m way to prepared!

Good luck eveyone who did. I actually got two tags, both 3rd choice but I got ‘em!
 
in regards to people buying bows prior to their hunts is simply happening cause with todays bows you can buy a bow on Friday and be grouping ok at 40 yards by Saturday. These people have no reason to see if they enjoy archery prior to applying. Oregon has deer and elk hunts that are trad bow only. I wish our state offered a few trad bow only hunts. Instead archery hunters get to have magnification and muzzle loaders must be iron sights. Not sure who is steering the ship but they seem drunk at the wheel.
 
in regards to people buying bows prior to their hunts is simply happening cause with todays bows you can buy a bow on Friday and be grouping ok at 40 yards by Saturday. These people have no reason to see if they enjoy archery prior to applying. Oregon has deer and elk hunts that are trad bow only. I wish our state offered a few trad bow only hunts. Instead archery hunters get to have magnification and muzzle loaders must be iron sights. Not sure who is steering the ship but they seem drunk at the wheel.

True, but they can't group at 40 yds at 9500' after hoofin' it up the mountain for the last 2 hrs.
 
No bow on the market makes a novice shooter an expert. That comes with good practice. Same with a rifle, a $5k rig doesn’t make a rookie a sniper (even if they feel like one)

About a decade ago I spent years documenting my bow shooting and accuracy. I was a seasoned shooter when I started documenting it. What I found was that once I drew a tag and really started slinging arrows my groups were about as good as I can get after 2500 shots. My groups were pretty tight after 1000 arrows. On a busy summer I can get away with only 1000 practice shots (20 shots 50 times) but I’m better in a pinch if I’ve done at least 2500.

The year I drew valle Vidal I threw 5010 practice shots and could hit a softball 90% of the time at 50 yards. I could also hold full draw for a long time and still make the shot.

Anybody that wants it bad enough can take their first bow shot in their life in May after drawing a tag and send 5000 arrows down range (50 a day 6 days a week) and show up in pretty good shape on September 1st.

However, most hunters I’ve met (rookie to highly experienced) are lazy and unprepared with their bow or rifle. The guy who buys his bow after drawing is no worse than the guy who has hunted 10 seasons but hasn’t shot in 2 years. The average bow hunter that says they can shoot 80 yards (and usually tries on the hunt) is a worse shot than the guy who has a 50 yard limit. Rifle hunters that claim they are good to 700 are usually worse than those that say 400 is a LONG shot. It comes down to being honest with your skills and limitations and being ethical when no one is watching (or when those watching are unethical)!
 
No bow on the market makes a novice shooter an expert. That comes with good practice. Same with a rifle, a $5k rig doesn’t make a rookie a sniper (even if they feel like one)

About a decade ago I spent years documenting my bow shooting and accuracy. I was a seasoned shooter when I started documenting it. What I found was that once I drew a tag and really started slinging arrows my groups were about as good as I can get after 2500 shots. My groups were pretty tight after 1000 arrows. On a busy summer I can get away with only 1000 practice shots (20 shots 50 times) but I’m better in a pinch if I’ve done at least 2500.

The year I drew valle Vidal I threw 5010 practice shots and could hit a softball 90% of the time at 50 yards. I could also hold full draw for a long time and still make the shot.

Anybody that wants it bad enough can take their first bow shot in their life in May after drawing a tag and send 5000 arrows down range (50 a day 6 days a week) and show up in pretty good shape on September 1st.

However, most hunters I’ve met (rookie to highly experienced) are lazy and unprepared with their bow or rifle. The guy who buys his bow after drawing is no worse than the guy who has hunted 10 seasons but hasn’t shot in 2 years. The average bow hunter that says they can shoot 80 yards (and usually tries on the hunt) is a worse shot than the guy who has a 50 yard limit. Rifle hunters that claim they are good to 700 are usually worse than those that say 400 is a LONG shot. It comes down to being honest with your skills and limitations and being ethical when no one is watching (or when those watching are unethical)!
That is 100% true. I don’t have a problem with someone who buys a bow after drawing and practices. The ones I do are the ones who buy a bow days before the hunt. As long as you put in the effort to optimize your skills, I am happy for you. It’s the lazy ones I don’t like. Have seen people that have bows and never shoot them, only to draw a tag and wait to shoot till a couple days before the hunt. That’s just as bad in my opinion. Since the results, I have shot at least fifty times a day. The only day I didn’t was yesterday (having wrist pain, due to a put off surgery). Of course, I was shooting before the drawings also. But, that’s what you do when you enjoy something. You try to master it. As a matter of fact, our decision to try 16a this year came at a picnic table at the archery range. We’re deciding between a and d. Good ole fashioned coin flip, two out of three.
 
I drew 16A archery elk 2nd season back in 2001. A guy showed up in camp late in the afternoon before the opener. He moved all his gear in his tent and went back to his car and pulled out a Cabela's shopping bag and a long cardboard box that a brand new bow comes in. My first thought was.... No way....

Dude brought a brand new bow right out of the box, plastic and all. Had never shot a bow in his life. Took everything out and looked at it and asked if anyone had any tools to put on sights etc. I helped him get everything set up and got it close for me just before dark. I told him he needed to shoot it himself in the head lights or the next morning before he went out. He replied. You sighted it in, should be good to go. Thanks.

He didn't kill crap. But neither did I. :ROFLMAO:

I drew it again this year, so I'm hoping I'll have better luck this time, and won't be setting up bows in camp. LOL.
 
I drew 16A archery elk 2nd season back in 2001. A guy showed up in camp late in the afternoon before the opener. He moved all his gear in his tent and went back to his car and pulled out a Cabela's shopping bag and a long cardboard box that a brand new bow comes in. My first thought was.... No way....

Dude brought a brand new bow right out of the box, plastic and all. Had never shot a bow in his life. Took everything out and looked at it and asked if anyone had any tools to put on sights etc. I helped him get everything set up and got it close for me just before dark. I told him he needed to shoot it himself in the head lights or the next morning before he went out. He replied. You sighted it in, should be good to go. Thanks.

He didn't kill crap. But neither did I. :ROFLMAO:

I drew it again this year, so I'm hoping I'll have better luck this time, and won't be setting up bows in camp. LOL.
Can I camp next to you and you help me sight my bow in? Maybe we can do it all in the dark? Lighted knocks should help with that right?……..
 
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I don’t know if I could help someone like that. I’m usually very helpful, but that would just irritate me so much.
I had my normal emergency kit of archery stuff with me. You never know what will self implode at any time. I worked in an archery shop while I was in school, so it wasn't much of a brain buster to get it set up and shooting close.
I'll admit that I was shocked to say the least. The guy was extremely wealthy, and he basically had and application service putting him in for everything, and they were also outfitting the hunt. The outfitter/application service was only interested in getting him drawn and selling him a hunt. They had no real desire to get him in front of an animal, it was just a money scam. They got me too unfortunately. It happens.
 
I had my normal emergency kit of archery stuff with me. You never know what will self implode at any time. I worked in an archery shop while I was in school, so it wasn't much of a brain buster to get it set up and shooting close.
I'll admit that I was shocked to say the least. The guy was extremely wealthy, and he basically had and application service putting him in for everything, and they were also outfitting the hunt. The outfitter/application service was only interested in getting him drawn and selling him a hunt. They had no real desire to get him in front of an animal, it was just a money scam. They got me too unfortunately. It happens.
Some times you have to take things into your own hands. I would never go hunting without getting as proficient as possible with my weapon. Be it archery, muzzleloader or rifle. That’s the part that would’ve irritated me. I’ve said it previously, but if you’ve never hunted archery before, put in for it and draw, then go buy a bow the next week, I’m all for it. Just don’t get the wait until the last second mentality.
 

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