Party Deer Tags

NE-ELKHTR · Apr 26, 2023

I read last year the F&W commission was discussing of enacting the "grandmother" rule for party tag applications. General purpose was to eliminate people from using what would be considered a point gathering mule to apply for a premium tag every year and drawing the tag but sending back the individual with the most points to get the points back at the same time other party members keeping their premium tag. The rule proposed was that everyone in the applying party sends their tag back or everyone loses their points. Anyone know what happened with this?

chrisamx · Apr 26, 2023

Interesting, I always thought everyone lost points?

NE-ELKHTR · Apr 26, 2023

chrisamx said:
Interesting, I always thought everyone lost points?

Everyone does that draws but the loop hole is returning the individual who has the most points back and requesting point be reinstated

Homer · Apr 26, 2023

Reminds me of Manny….

oilcan · Apr 26, 2023

Wiszard · Apr 26, 2023

I had a guy tell me a few years ago he did this....had a buddy that was a doctor and wrote him a doctors note so he'd keep his points but family members would keep their tags. I won't say who I called next.....he must've thought we were friends or something. It was strange.

chrisamx · Apr 27, 2023

NE-ELKHTR said:
Everyone does that draws but the loop hole is returning the individual who has the most points back and requesting point be reinstated

Sounds like fraud...and someone who is keeping me from a possible draw

newguy · Apr 27, 2023

I think they should get rid of points sharing all together, people will always abuse the system if they are given a chance.

Mark

Skykarp · Apr 27, 2023

Arizona has the same thing they just make money off of it and call it point guard.

Shocked California hasn’t jumped on the band wagon.

ElmerFudd · Apr 28, 2023

I like the way Colorado handles points on a party application. The party gets the points of the member with the fewest points in the draw.

Skykarp · Apr 28, 2023

The issue I have there is if a Father has built points and wants to have his son or daughter apply with them and get a better experience why should they be punished.

The piggybacking / donating tags and getting points back for a 2nd draw is a major issue in some states as it holds tags hostage for multiple years.

Wiszard · Apr 28, 2023

Skykarp said:
The issue I have there is if a Father has built points and wants to have his son or daughter apply with them and get a better experience why should they be punished.

The piggybacking / donating tags and getting points back for a 2nd draw is a major issue in some states as it holds tags hostage for multiple years.

I understand about the parents wanting to hunt with kids. I am at a point where I have to buy my Dads points if I ever want him to join me in Utah, Nevada or Colorado. LOL. I guess it's payback for all the years he took me when I was a kid.

ElmerFudd · Apr 28, 2023

Points used in drawing party tags should be gone permanently, no exceptions.

muleyczy · Apr 30, 2023

I don’t think you can return your tag in Cali and have your points restored without some type of serious medical emergency type issue

Wiszard · May 7, 2023

muleyczy said:
I don’t think you can return your tag in Cali and have your points restored without some type of serious medical emergency type issue

That is true....some guys have friends that are doctors which is a problem.

jester · May 8, 2023

I kinda ruined that for everyone..
Sorry..
Not sorry.
Jester

D8hntr · May 9, 2023

muleyczy said:
I don’t think you can return your tag in Cali and have your points restored without some type of serious medical emergency type issue

They were restoring points last year I think if the hunt was restricted by fire closures. There was a guy somewhere I read that got his points back from drawing G6....which made no sense because roads have been closed in the unit before and nobody got points back from a few road closures. ?

NE-ELKHTR · May 9, 2023

D8hntr said:
They were restoring points last year I think if the hunt was restricted by fire closures. There was a guy somewhere I read that got his points back from drawing G6....which made no sense because roads have been closed in the unit before and nobody got points back from a few road closures. ?

https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=200780&inline

This is the only proposed language amendment that I can find and it is from 2022.
Section 708.14
There is a lot of proposed changes but I can not seem to find any actions by the commission to change the tag return requirements to reinstate points other than it has to be returned prior to the first day of season for that method. The committee did make a recommendation in 2022 but no actions.

Yes I am sure this subject is annoying some of you on here but it is a serious loophole that people are taking advantage of and shall be addressed.

D8hntr · May 9, 2023

NE-ELKHTR said:
https://nrm.dfg.ca.gov/FileHandler.ashx?DocumentID=200780&inline

This is the only proposed language amendment that I can find and it is from 2022.
Section 708.14
There is a lot of proposed changes but I can not seem to find any actions by the commission to change the tag return requirements to reinstate points other than it has to be returned prior to the first day of season for that method. The committee did make a recommendation in 2022 but no actions.

Yes I am sure this subject is annoying some of you on here but it is a serious loophole that people are taking advantage of and shall be addressed.

No annoyance here. Just one of the many things in this life that people find the loopholes to get their way.