Utah draw odds 2023

I looked up the dates from the past few years and it varies. The dates on the odds pages show anywhere from Jun 2nd-June 18th. With the application period/results being pushed back it may be even later this year?
 
The reports say mid June on them, it’s usually the first part of July before they get published to the website
 
Yep, interested myself. Colorado just posted theirs and spent some time looking over it. I believe with the bad winter in Wyoming, it had some effect on point creep in Colorado and Utah.
 
It will be very interesting to see this year. My dad is one who jumped from an Early Rifle Elk he's been putting in for to a muzzy hunt. He was 2 points ahead of the bonus tags for last years draw for this hunt, so we figured he had a great chance, and he got it. I'm curious if something similar happened in other units/hunts where early rifle tags were cut and the season shortened.
 
Not sure how this happened unless it was a party group and only one tag left for bonus pts. Only thing I could think of ? Thoughts?
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Son hit the jack pot and pulled one of the two random deer tags.

Wife had 27 moose points. There was 3 with 28 and one drew - leaving two with more points then her. There was 18 including her with 27 points and 9 of them drew - leaving her and 8 others in her point pool. She is getting close to getting the SUCCESSFUL!!!
 
For a state with hunting as terrible as Utah provides, there sure is a LOT of people wanting a tag to hunt there….

Todd

For a state with hunting as terrible as Utah provides, there sure is a LOT of people wanting a tag to hunt there….

Todd
I'm going to explain this phenomenon in a simple analogy:

There are 86 monster muley guys stranded on a deserted island and one of them is Bobcat Bess.They have been on the island for one-year six-months and twenty four days.

Now it just so happens a cruise ship that was hosting the annual "Miss ugliest girl in America" pageant capsized twenty-four miles away from the island. There were only four survivors of the ship and they just happened to be the four ugliest contestants and they had escaped in a lifeboat (all the men on board decided it best to take their chances with the Captain and go down with the ship rather than on the lifeboat). Our four beauties just so happened to land on the same deserted island that Bessy and friends were on and each one was greeted with open arms.

These four ladies had 85 of the 86 guys all lined up for attention and more even though the four were uglier and smelled worse than the giant squid (Utah being that squid) that had washed up on shore a week earlier.

What about Monster muley member #86? It was Bessy and just like his elk tag he would rather wait his turn than settle for an old squid so once it was dark he snuck away in the lifeboat and lived happily ever after unlike the other 85. Three days later back on the island the other 85 learned that the contest was actually the "Miss ugliest TRANSVESTITE girl in America".

In other words SUPPLY AND DEMAND!
Even the ugly ones get attention under extreme circumstances and once you get a tag it may not be all that you had hoped it was. :ROFLMAO:
 
Draw odds got tougher on the early hunts as I expected, only 1 NR Fish lake early tag and it took 25 to draw. unless you're in the very top points bracket you might as well cash them in ASAP it's going to take years to burn through the top dogs for the best tags with these quotas .
 
Or perhaps, that one decides that they’re just not going to settle for anything less than perfection and continues looking for that perfect 10, only to grow old and die without ever cashing in? Hmmm…kind of reminds me of my sister in law?
Yeah that's why Bessy left the island and hasn't drawn an elk tag. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:
 
Feels pretty awesome to be the 1 tag holder out of 1538 applicants on that list for my non resident mnt goat tag. I never in my wildest dreams thought i would ever draw. I just always thought "there is one lucky sob with a tag out there when i read the odds in the past"…I guess I am the SOB now. ?

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Overall 189 NR bull tags awarded in random vs 134 NR bull tags to highest point holders….sick of single digit point holders getting tags over 20 plus guys.

utah needs to give a higher percentage to the highest point holders.
Nah - keep it the way it is. Utah's approach is a good balance to award tags to highest point holders, but also give others a random chance. There are flaws with all point systems, but this is not one of them in my opinion.
 
For a state with hunting as terrible as Utah provides, there sure is a LOT of people wanting a tag to hunt there….

Todd
If only there was a way to keep those that complain about Utah’s hunting/point system from even applying to hunt in Utah, maybe those that don’t complain could draw tags a little more often.
One of those “put your money where your mouth is” types of strategies…
 
Flashgun congrats on your tag !!!

Your odds were actually 1 in 1800 with 6 points. On the random side you had your name in the hat for each point and one more for this year. You had 7 chances out of 12k something total names in the hat on that hunt this year.

If a guy drew with zero points he would have 1 in 12k odds. with 30 points it's 1 in 400 odds.

Utah hunting does really suck though and I think everyone else should just give up. Hunting here is really really bad in case you wanted to know. Especially on all the mid tier archery elk hunts. Best to spend your money and time elsewhere :)

Cheers, Pete
 
Nah - keep it the way it is. Utah's approach is a good balance to award tags to highest point holders, but also give others a random chance. There are flaws with all point systems, but this is not one of them in my opinion.
I agree! The Utah system has been good to me. I've used max points to draw LE deer and LE pronghorn, but have also got lucky with drawing LE archery elk (4 pts) and this year LE pronghorn (1 pt) again. Keep the Utah system as is IMO.
 
Nah - keep it the way it is. Utah's approach is a good balance to award tags to highest point holders, but also give others a random chance. There are flaws with all point systems, but this is not one of them in my opinion.

UT has the best draw system. They just don't offer enough tags seems like.
 
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Both of the 24 point people drew a LE hunt. Elk, deer and pronghorn are drawn first. When you draw a LE hunt you are not eligible for a OIL hunt.
That makes sense also. This was a LE hunt drawing also and not an oil tag. But I understand that you can only draw one tag as a NR if I understood the regs properly.
 
Overall 189 NR bull tags awarded in random vs 134 NR bull tags to highest point holders….sick of single digit point holders getting tags over 20 plus guys.

utah needs to give a higher percentage to the highest point holders.
Yep it’s a big contributor to point creep. I’m on a elk waiting period but I would be all in on 75/25 or 80/20
 
Hey efa?

Takes A BIG Bait Pile To CHUM A Moose In!:D

(((RAZZIN Ya!:D)))

And that's why I just apply for an LE Pronghorn point along with an OIL bull moose tag. I'm 82 years old and already have a Pope & Young pronghorn and I'm close enough to a moose tag that I don't want an LE Archery Pronghorn tag bumping me out of the moose draw.
 
And that's why I just apply for an LE Pronghorn point along with an OIL bull moose tag. I'm 82 years old and already have a Pope & Young pronghorn and I'm close enough to a moose tag that I don't want an LE Archery Pronghorn tag bumping me out of the moose draw.

Yeah I wish they would allow you to select your preference when submitting your application. So if you are putting in like you are you could still be in the hat for both, but if by some chance you drew both then your selected preference would be what you drew for.

It really seems like it would be an easy fix to the system especially where it's all done over the computer, just add an extra step to the process to select your preferred choice either OIL, or LE.
 
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Yeah I wish they would allow you to select your preference when submitting your application. So if you are putting in like you are you could still be in the hat for both, but if by some chance you drew both then your selected preference would be what you drew for.

It really seems like it would be an easy fix to the system especially where it's all done over the computer, just add an extra step to the process to select your preferred choice either OIL, or LE.
Or make pronghorn hunts (and management) both general and LE units like they do for deer, elk and turkey.
 
Hey efa?

Takes A BIG Bait Pile To CHUM A Moose In!:D

(((RAZZIN Ya!:D)))
I don't mind the "RAZZIN", Bess, 'cause I figured out how to hunt without using bait to get the ideal standing, still, broadside, level, shot at a single relaxed animal who doesn't see me draw my bow, and I thought about it long before we made baiting illegal. I simply re-arrange the furniture around water holes to create funnels and stop them from getting water while facing me. Now what concerns me is a possible petition to make water and/or water plants a "bait". Or moving stuff around a bit illegal. Since we now have to reduce success rates in order to have more tags, it looks like any device, method or strategy that brings more success is subject to the chopping block list! Hunting will soon just be that! "Hunting" period,
 
Or make pronghorn hunts (and management) both general and LE units like they do for deer, elk and turkey.

Or allow you to actually apply for only one species, but points for all….

Even though I have drawn my elk now, I still think that would work well. You decide which animal
You really want that year, apply for that one, and points for the rest.

But actually applying for all and then letting you decide which you want is a close second.
 
Not to be a party pooper, but as a residence I have to choose and can only apply for one limited species and one once in a life time species. Why do non residence get to apply and build points for every species. Just saying.

Having to choose your species saves on point creep across the board and does not let a non residence build points for 30 years and then move to the state and hunt every species for 6-7 years in a row.
 
Not to be a party pooper, but as a residence I have to choose and can only apply for one limited species and one once in a life time species. Why do non residence get to apply and build points for every species. Just saying.

Having to choose your species saves on point creep across the board and does not let a non residence build points for 30 years and then move to the state and hunt every species for 6-7 years in a row.
I'm not so sure that being able to apply and build points, as a NR, for every species isn't actually a curse! It only promotes points creep and many NR's who understand that hate the system that they're stuck with.

I'd have to think about it way more than I have to see a benefit. As I see it now, you'd apply for everything and the odds wouldn't really be any better.

Just my 2 cents, for free.
Zeke
 
I'm not so sure that being able to apply and build points, as a NR, for every species isn't actually a curse! It only promotes points creep and many NR's who understand that hate the system that they're stuck with.

I'd have to think about it way more than I have to see a benefit. As I see it now, you'd apply for everything and the odds wouldn't really be any better.

Just my 2 cents, for free.
Zeke
Just more app fees for the state
 
The bison hunt I applied (Henry 1st hunters choice) for showed 2 nonresident tags in the proposal and 1 was in the draw. I was in the top pool with three others for that hunt. The person who drew the one hunt that had 2 hunters choice tags (Book Cliffs roadless) had one more point, so wouldn't have made a difference to me. There was a similar deal for a buddy who applied for Beaver goat. Seeing the proposed quota didn't do much good for us. Might as well just applied blind without the delay:)
 
The Utah draw system isn't my favorite, but it's okay. the problem is how they allot the tags and so few bonus tags are given. hard not to have point creep when there are no bonus tags given.

Rather than have the NR hunters apply for 500 different hunts with almost no bonus tags, cut it to 50 hunts with 5 bonus tags each and burn some points up. numbers are just for reference, but you get the drift.

Bonus elk points in UT are pretty much worthless now unless you're in the top dog pool , or just under them like me where you can draw a so so tag.

Burning 25 points on a so so hunt was never my plan, but with reduce quality in the future and so few bonus tags for the good hunts I chose to cash it my points because I don't have another 25 years.
 
Not to be a party pooper, but as a residence I have to choose and can only apply for one limited species and one once in a life time species. Why do non residence get to apply and build points for every species. Just saying.

Having to choose your species saves on point creep across the board and does not let a non residence build points for 30 years and then move to the state and hunt every species for 6-7 years in a row.


Not a party pooper in my book. I would be OK with only being able to apply for one species regardless of whether or not we could get points for others. Allowing us to apply for all species is great for Utahs pocketbook, but dilutes our odds to depressing levels. Why should my desire to hunt just an elk or deer, be diluted by someone who would really like to hunt a sheep or goat?

That is probably why Utah hasn't made that change for residents. You don't want your odds for a certain species to go to crap. Mine did in a heartbeat when they made the change.
I was actually upt to about 6-8% odds for a San Juan elk tag before that. Since then: less than 1%. Utah would make a lot more money if they changed residents to the same system as NRs. Sounds like the res know they have it better and don't want that change.
 
And that's why I just apply for an LE Pronghorn point along with an OIL bull moose tag. I'm 82 years old and already have a Pope & Young pronghorn and I'm close enough to a moose tag that I don't want an LE Archery Pronghorn tag bumping me out of the moose draw.
Several years ago, my wife was guaranteed a pronghorn tag on the unit we were applying her for. She wanted to wait until the next year to draw because we were going to go to Wyoming pronghorn hunting that fall.
So, we bought her a point for pronghorn and that year she drew a Desert bighorn sheep permit with 8 points.
 
The Utah draw system isn't my favorite, but it's okay. the problem is how they allot the tags and so few bonus tags are given. hard not to have point creep when there are no bonus tags given.

Rather than have the NR hunters apply for 500 different hunts with almost no bonus tags, cut it to 50 hunts with 5 bonus tags each and burn some points up. numbers are just for reference, but you get the drift.

Bonus elk points in UT are pretty much worthless now unless you're in the top dog pool , or just under them like me where you can draw a so so tag.

Burning 25 points on a so so hunt was never my plan, but with reduce quality in the future and so few bonus tags for the good hunts I chose to cash it my points because I don't have another 25 years.
Not all of the nuances/unforeseen consequences have come to play yet…… after nearly thirty years of the point system introduction. The system we originally thought would be an equalizer and a guaranteed opportunity to hunt coveted units every few years. Tog just mentioned one that no one thought about thirty years ago and we still don’t know for sure how much it effect the future draw odds……. that being how old age drop outs, caused by not only declining animal numbers but unanticipated point creep coupled with shrinking odds and old age limitations being determined by people in their late fifties and early sixties.

Nobody was thinking about those issues when they were in their 30s…. thirty years ago.

How many people will stop applying in their 50s after applying for 30 years, when they know their odds of draw a specific tag, on a specific unit are simply too high to be bothered……. 15 to 20 years before they a even effected by age limitations.

I’m still of the opinion, based on the current trends, private property hunting will become the answer to a majority, rather than for a wealthy minority…. as it has been in the past. If I were a 20 year old and I wanted a life time of hunting, I believe I would begin now to build a future around private land hunting. Sad, yes, for sure but……… that certainly seems to be the future……. for serious life long hunting
 
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Not to be a party pooper, but as a residence I have to choose and can only apply for one limited species and one once in a life time species. Why do non residence get to apply and build points for every species. Just saying.

Having to choose your species saves on point creep across the board and does not let a non residence build points for 30 years and then move to the state and hunt every species for 6-7 years in a row.
Because they only issue one NR tag for a bunch of the hunts. We are paying for a lottery ticket. But I may move in with you in a few years. Thanks for the idea.
 
Because they only issue one NR tag for a bunch of the hunts. We are paying for a lottery ticket. But I may move in with you in a few years. Thanks for the idea.
Rich we can work that out. I'd have a blast scouting and spotting for you on all them species here in Utah for about 7 years. I know I drew my once in a life time tag a dozen years ago and don't expect to drew another before my time comes to an end. Be a good time and I don't need to be the trigger puller to enjoy time in gods country.
 
I'm not so sure that being able to apply and build points, as a NR, for every species isn't actually a curse! It only promotes points creep and many NR's who understand that hate the system that they're stuck with.

I'd have to think about it way more than I have to see a benefit. As I see it now, you'd apply for everything and the odds wouldn't really be any better.

Just my 2 cents, for free.
Zeke
What rmanwill is saying is it sucks as a resident and needs to be changed.
A non-resident could buy a oil bp for every specie (and I’m sure there are plenty out there) for 30-35 years then move in to Utah and be max point holder in every category, drawing each oil tag for years in a row.
A resident never had this luxury.
 
Being allowed to apply for everything also means thousands to one draw odds to nonresidents for all the best hunts.

It may benefit nonresidents who retire in Utah, but currently the swell is 15 points coming out of this years draw. That is not going to get you all the once in a lifetime species or the best deer and elk hunts!
 
What rmanwill is saying is it sucks as a resident and needs to be changed.
A non-resident could buy a oil bp for every specie (and I’m sure there are plenty out there) for 30-35 years then move in to Utah and be max point holder in every category, drawing each oil tag for years in a row.
A resident never had this luxury.
Perfectly said!!!
 
50 F'N Points For a Chance at a 200" PISSCUTTER Bull!

At Least roadrunner will be Orgasmic about It!

Would hate to see what a 380" PISSCUTTER bull would do to some - may not be able to walk for weeks I would guess! Bring a whole new meaning to HUMPDAY!!
 
In Another 20 Years:

A Whole Bunch Holding Out For The 500" Bulls!

And I Quote:

I Finally Drawed With 50 Points!

Can Anybody Tell Me Where There Might Be a 200" Trophy Bull?

By Then a 200" Bull Will Be a Trophy If You Can Find One!
 
In Another 20 Years:

A Whole Bunch Holding Out For The 500" Bulls!

And I Quote:

I Finally Drawed With 50 Points!

Can Anybody Tell Me Where There Might Be a 200" Trophy Bull?

By Then a 200" Bull Will Be a Trophy If You Can Find One!
Bess you burned 27 points last year, where is your 4 hundo bull? I know there was a couple killed on the unit.
 
Perfectly said!!!

What I don’t hear you saying is you want a system like ours. I wouldn't if I were a resident. That would make your odds go to crap overnight.

Very few people will ever amass a bunch of points and then move to Utah for a decade or two. That’s what it would take. As I said, it crossed my mind, but it just isn’t feasible. Doubt you will ever get Utah to give up all that money from multiple NR species apps, but you could make a rule so if a NR moves there with points, they have to give up all but one species. Or they lose 50% of their points in all species. Pretty simple change.
 
What I don’t hear you saying is you want a system like ours. I wouldn't if I were a resident. That would make your odds go to crap overnight.

Very few people will ever amass a bunch of points and then move to Utah for a decade or two. That’s what it would take. As I said, it crossed my mind, but it just isn’t feasible. Doubt you will ever get Utah to give up all that money from multiple NR species apps, but you could make a rule so if a NR moves there with points, they have to give up all but one species. Or they lose 50% of their points in all species. Pretty simple change.
It doesn't effect me in the least other then down the road when very few may move to Utah just for the hunting reason. I'm a resident and non residents have no effect on my tags point creep.

I agree the state of Utah will not change this because of the money it brings in. Just like Wyoming charging certain amounts per species, Idaho and a few other states charge a good price for license just to apply. Every state has their way of getting the non residents money in different ways. Got to pay to play.
 
I bet that there would be fewer nonresidents bucking up to apply for just one OIL and one LE, probably 1/2. Most of the application services say Utah is barely worth it for nonresidents, but apply because you have a shot at everything. Random odds would be many times better on all hunts even with the same total number of nonresidents in.

Of course the reason they did it was to entice more nonresidents to buy the license and collect more application fees.
 
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Of course the reason they did it was to entice more nonresidents to buy the license and collect more application fees.
Therein lies the lynch pin. We all think these big game bureaucracies are seriously considering eliminating point systems……… due to point creep, etc. ?????……..??????………. ??????……….,,,??????
 
In Another 20 Years:

A Whole Bunch Holding Out For The 500" Bulls!

And I Quote:

I Finally Drawed With 50 Points!

Can Anybody Tell Me Where There Might Be a 200" Trophy Bull?

By Then a 200" Bull Will Be a Trophy If You Can Find One!

200" bulls are a dime a dozen. If that's what you're looking for, they're easy to find everywhere else...
 
Yeah that's why Bessy left the island and hasn't drawn an elk tag. :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO: :ROFLMAO:

Are we sure he hasn’t drawn his elk tag?

Maybe your analogy is really off. Maybe Bessy took the opportunity at one of those 4 beauties and had some performance issues and didn’t get it done?
 
I would like to see Ut make a change so NR have to pick one species to draw bur you can still buy points for the rest. That way they still get their fees but theres less people in each of the species draws. Should help so many low point holders getting all the random tags.
 
I would like to see Ut make a change so NR have to pick one species to draw bur you can still buy points for the rest. That way they still get their fees but theres less people in each of the species draws. Should help so many low point holders getting all the random tags.

I don't. Besides, more low point applicants get more of the random tags because there's usually more of them applying.
 
Bess you burned 27 points last year, where is your 4 hundo bull? I know there was a couple killed on the unit.

Inquiring minds…

Did he pass on those island bound ladies? Or was he not up for the occasion when he tried?
 
If you're 78 and have 21 points you need to burn them. it's going to take more points to draw less quality the longer you wait.

Put in for the best tag you think you can draw next year , that's what I did this year and I'm glad I did after seeing the draw report.
 
“So you’re saying there’s a chance!”

I'm guarenteed an LE tag for buck deer and bull elk the next two years if I'm okay with a 135" and 260" pisscutter (respectively). Have the pronghorn buck this year and it doesn't phase me to shoot a 68" pisscutter.

By being able to continue to apply for everything, I'll draw something. Maybe an OIL even...
 
Would hate to see what a 380" PISSCUTTER bull would do to some - may not be able to walk for weeks I would guess! Bring a whole new meaning to HUMPDAY!!
So I read “hate to see what a 380 Pisscutter would do to some” not being able to walk for weeks and something about HUMPDAY! ?

I hope you aren’t writing it the way I’m reading it because I’d hate to see it als well and I I think that chit is illegal these days.

PM me and I can recommend a few shrinks.?
 
So I read “hate to see what a 380 Pisscutter would do to some” not being able to walk for weeks and something about HUMPDAY! ?

I hope you aren’t writing it the way I’m reading it because I’d hate to see it als well and I I think that chit is illegal these days.

PM me and I can recommend a few shrinks.?

Go back and read what prompted that reply.

Nice try though.
 
Point Creep – No one seems to want to sacrifice, but for someone who is willing to sacrifice consider adding one extra Gold Point (in other words a bonus/preference point to be used on the hunt they want) to those who are willing to only apply for ONE hunt. In other words, if you put in for the regular deer hunt and no other, you get a “Gold Point”. If you put in for a limited entry and no other you get a "Gold Point". If you put in for the regular hunt and a limited entry hunt you do NOT get the Gold Point. The Gold Points are good for a count for maximum draw points whether LE or regular unit draw.
 
Point Creep – No one seems to want to sacrifice, but for someone who is willing to sacrifice consider adding one extra Gold Point (in other words a bonus/preference point to be used on the hunt they want) to those who are willing to only apply for ONE hunt. In other words, if you put in for the regular deer hunt and no other, you get a “Gold Point”. If you put in for a limited entry and no other you get a "Gold Point". If you put in for the regular hunt and a limited entry hunt you do NOT get the Gold Point. The Gold Points are good for a count for maximum draw points whether LE or regular unit draw.
I doubt if the UDWR is eager to give incentives for people to spend less money on applications. More applications means more money.
 
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